• A perspective on the classified documents found in Trumps possession

    From Bigbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 31 19:03:50 2022
    The fact that Trump never formally declassified anything, and also
    never raised it to DOJ, but is asserting it (unofficially) now, is
    actually an incredibly damning admission by Trump. That's because it
    means that *he wanted these secrets to still have value* Had Trump
    formally declassified these secrets, he would have had to notify all
    the agencies responsible for the respective intel. They, in turn, would
    have taken steps to protect methods and sources. Why? Because it would
    no longer be secret. If you *really* think something should be public,
    then you want to take steps to protect the sources of the intel before
    you release it. But Trump claims he did it secretly. That means he *intentionally* wanted to leave these sources and methods exposed. Why
    would you want that? Only if you wanted the secrets to have value to
    someone. Similarly, if he had asserted declassification to DOJ, they 'd
    ask, "Which ones?" He'd have to show what he had. Again, once the USG
    knows, the secrets get protected, i.e. no value as "secrets" Of course,
    he conveniently trots out the claim that he "declassified" them know --
    once he is found out. The gig is up, so now he thinks it's a shield.
    But you only secretly "declassify" if you want secrets to remain
    valuable while giving yourself "cover" if you get discovered.

    This is the criminality that Betty Boo Hoo has been defending; NO
    patriot woould ever do that.

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Aug 31 13:30:00 2022
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 3:03:53 PM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    The fact that Trump never formally declassified anything, and also
    never raised it to DOJ, but is asserting it (unofficially) now, is
    actually an incredibly damning admission by Trump. That's because it
    means that *he wanted these secrets to still have value* Had Trump
    formally declassified these secrets, he would have had to notify all
    the agencies responsible for the respective intel. They, in turn, would
    have taken steps to protect methods and sources. Why? Because it would
    no longer be secret. If you *really* think something should be public,
    then you want to take steps to protect the sources of the intel before
    you release it. But Trump claims he did it secretly. That means he *intentionally* wanted to leave these sources and methods exposed. Why
    would you want that? Only if you wanted the secrets to have value to
    someone. Similarly, if he had asserted declassification to DOJ, they 'd
    ask, "Which ones?" He'd have to show what he had. Again, once the USG
    knows, the secrets get protected, i.e. no value as "secrets" Of course,
    he conveniently trots out the claim that he "declassified" them know --
    once he is found out. The gig is up, so now he thinks it's a shield.
    But you only secretly "declassify" if you want secrets to remain
    valuable while giving yourself "cover" if you get discovered.

    This is the criminality that Betty Boo Hoo has been defending; NO
    patriot woould ever do that.

    Sorry to disappoint asshole, but no one is interested in what an unemployed dog walker has to say. Do something useful, go find a job. Be a contributor, instead of a leech on the system.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Wed Aug 31 13:31:30 2022
    On 2022-08-31 13:30, Irving S wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 3:03:53 PM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    The fact that Trump never formally declassified anything, and also
    never raised it to DOJ, but is asserting it (unofficially) now, is
    actually an incredibly damning admission by Trump. That's because
    it means that *he wanted these secrets to still have value* Had
    Trump formally declassified these secrets, he would have had to
    notify all the agencies responsible for the respective intel. They,
    in turn, would have taken steps to protect methods and sources.
    Why? Because it would no longer be secret. If you *really* think
    something should be public, then you want to take steps to protect
    the sources of the intel before you release it. But Trump claims he
    did it secretly. That means he *intentionally* wanted to leave
    these sources and methods exposed. Why would you want that? Only if
    you wanted the secrets to have value to someone. Similarly, if he
    had asserted declassification to DOJ, they 'd ask, "Which ones?"
    He'd have to show what he had. Again, once the USG knows, the
    secrets get protected, i.e. no value as "secrets" Of course, he
    conveniently trots out the claim that he "declassified" them know
    -- once he is found out. The gig is up, so now he thinks it's a
    shield. But you only secretly "declassify" if you want secrets to
    remain valuable while giving yourself "cover" if you get
    discovered.

    This is the criminality that Betty Boo Hoo has been defending; NO
    patriot woould ever do that.

    Sorry to disappoint asshole, but no one is interested in what an
    unemployed dog walker has to say. Do something useful, go find a
    job. Be a contributor, instead of a leech on the system.


    Weird you can't rebut the points made by someone you claim is so
    useless, huh?

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 31 13:42:59 2022
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-08-31 13:30, Irving S wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 3:03:53 PM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    The fact that Trump never formally declassified anything, and also
    never raised it to DOJ, but is asserting it (unofficially) now, is
    actually an incredibly damning admission by Trump. That's because
    it means that *he wanted these secrets to still have value* Had
    Trump formally declassified these secrets, he would have had to
    notify all the agencies responsible for the respective intel. They,
    in turn, would have taken steps to protect methods and sources.
    Why? Because it would no longer be secret. If you *really* think
    something should be public, then you want to take steps to protect
    the sources of the intel before you release it. But Trump claims he
    did it secretly. That means he *intentionally* wanted to leave
    these sources and methods exposed. Why would you want that? Only if
    you wanted the secrets to have value to someone. Similarly, if he
    had asserted declassification to DOJ, they 'd ask, "Which ones?"
    He'd have to show what he had. Again, once the USG knows, the
    secrets get protected, i.e. no value as "secrets" Of course, he
    conveniently trots out the claim that he "declassified" them know
    -- once he is found out. The gig is up, so now he thinks it's a
    shield. But you only secretly "declassify" if you want secrets to
    remain valuable while giving yourself "cover" if you get
    discovered.

    This is the criminality that Betty Boo Hoo has been defending; NO
    patriot woould ever do that.

    Sorry to disappoint asshole, but no one is interested in what an
    unemployed dog walker has to say. Do something useful, go find a
    job. Be a contributor, instead of a leech on the system.
    Weird you can't rebut the points made by someone you claim is so
    useless, huh?

    I will leave that to you Grandpa. Got better things to do than waste time with this loon. Besides you are more fun. You are three times the laugh factor of this unemployed dog walking dimwit.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Wed Aug 31 13:46:22 2022
    On 2022-08-31 13:42, Irving S wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-08-31 13:30, Irving S wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 3:03:53 PM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    The fact that Trump never formally declassified anything, and also
    never raised it to DOJ, but is asserting it (unofficially) now, is
    actually an incredibly damning admission by Trump. That's because
    it means that *he wanted these secrets to still have value* Had
    Trump formally declassified these secrets, he would have had to
    notify all the agencies responsible for the respective intel. They,
    in turn, would have taken steps to protect methods and sources.
    Why? Because it would no longer be secret. If you *really* think
    something should be public, then you want to take steps to protect
    the sources of the intel before you release it. But Trump claims he
    did it secretly. That means he *intentionally* wanted to leave
    these sources and methods exposed. Why would you want that? Only if
    you wanted the secrets to have value to someone. Similarly, if he
    had asserted declassification to DOJ, they 'd ask, "Which ones?"
    He'd have to show what he had. Again, once the USG knows, the
    secrets get protected, i.e. no value as "secrets" Of course, he
    conveniently trots out the claim that he "declassified" them know
    -- once he is found out. The gig is up, so now he thinks it's a
    shield. But you only secretly "declassify" if you want secrets to
    remain valuable while giving yourself "cover" if you get
    discovered.

    This is the criminality that Betty Boo Hoo has been defending; NO
    patriot woould ever do that.

    Sorry to disappoint asshole, but no one is interested in what an
    unemployed dog walker has to say. Do something useful, go find a
    job. Be a contributor, instead of a leech on the system.
    Weird you can't rebut the points made by someone you claim is so
    useless, huh?

    I will leave that to you Grandpa. Got better things to do than waste time with this loon. Besides you are more fun. You are three times the laugh factor of this unemployed dog walking dimwit.

    So you confirm that you can't actually rebut a single point he made.

    Got it.

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