• The vaxed cult

    From Irving S@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 05:49:10 2022
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those that still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking
    death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body. People
    have been brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix. Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every step to the bank. Myself
    included, I am out of the market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such
    blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Fri Jul 22 13:28:09 2022
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you remain
    blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took the
    kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their masters laugh
    and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab is
    true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure sounds
    like a cult to me. Not much different than those that still stand by
    Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking death and does not
    know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical after
    commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking
    BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it,
    instead of putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a drug or
    chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.
    Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap, they are
    laughing every step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the
    market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement one day.
    You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or
    those you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to others
    for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if
    i care.

    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is that no
    possible compound that you can put in your body can have any positive
    effect?

    What about antibiotics?

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jul 22 13:40:55 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you remain
    blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took the
    kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their masters laugh
    and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab is
    true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure sounds
    like a cult to me. Not much different than those that still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking death and does not
    know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking
    BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it,
    instead of putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.
    Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the
    market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement one day.
    You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or
    those you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to others
    for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if
    i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is that no possible compound that you can put in your body can have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place. The problem is they are too widely prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome, because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Fri Jul 22 13:45:25 2022
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took
    the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their
    masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab
    is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure
    sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those that
    still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking
    death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs.
    Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal
    with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body. People have
    been brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they
    fix. Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap,
    they are laughing every step to the bank. Myself included, I am
    out of the market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical
    mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a
    great retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll
    up your sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a price.
    And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity, like the
    unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is that
    no possible compound that you can put in your body can have any
    positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.

    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.'

    The problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of them
    just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than new
    antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger antibiotics to
    deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome, because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your "good" flora, and a bigger burden
    to the kidneys, that are often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.

    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Fri Jul 22 13:46:31 2022
    On 2022-07-22 13:45, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took
    the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their
    masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab
    is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure
    sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those that
    still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking
    death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs.
    Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal
    with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body. People have
    been brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they
    fix. Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap,
    they are laughing every step to the bank. Myself included, I am
    out of the market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical
    mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a
    great retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll
    up your sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a price.
    And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity, like the
    unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is that
    no possible compound that you can put in your body can have any
    positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    You like cites, well my friend this pretty much says it all. They
    have their place, but there use must be very judicious. Widely overperscribed, and often for conditions that will go away on their
    own without antibiotics.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/antibiotics/art-20045720
    Which only shows you're wrong when you say:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.'

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jul 22 13:48:46 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools took
    the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while their
    masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the jab
    is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial. Sure
    sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those that
    still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking
    death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs, drugs.
    Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal
    with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body. People have
    been brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems than they
    fix. Except for those making this crap, and selling this crap,
    they are laughing every step to the bank. Myself included, I am
    out of the market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical
    mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the way for a
    great retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll
    up your sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a price.
    And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity, like the
    unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is that
    no possible compound that you can put in your body can have any
    positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.'
    The problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of them
    just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than new
    antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger antibiotics to
    deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome, because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your "good" flora, and a bigger burden
    to the kidneys, that are often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough to need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice, but for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune system first, and look for alternative remedies, over
    pharmaceuticals.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Fri Jul 22 13:56:19 2022
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools
    took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while
    their masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the
    jab is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial.
    Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those
    that still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like
    walking death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs,
    drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back
    aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your
    body. People have been brainwashed to think that every
    problem can be fixed by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they
    cause more problems than they fix. Except for those making
    this crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every
    step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the market
    now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement
    one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your
    sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a
    price. And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity,
    like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is
    that no possible compound that you can put in your body can
    have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in
    your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The problem
    is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of
    them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than
    new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are often
    responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough to
    need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice, but
    for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune system
    first, and look for alternative remedies, over pharmaceuticals.

    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3 minutes.

    :-)

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jul 23 04:53:47 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools
    took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while
    their masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the
    jab is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial.
    Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those
    that still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like
    walking death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs,
    drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back
    aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your
    body. People have been brainwashed to think that every
    problem can be fixed by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they
    cause more problems than they fix. Except for those making
    this crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every
    step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the market
    now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement
    one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your
    sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a
    price. And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity,
    like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is
    that no possible compound that you can put in your body can
    have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in
    your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The problem
    is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of
    them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than
    new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are often
    responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough to
    need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice, but
    for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune system
    first, and look for alternative remedies, over pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3 minutes.

    :-)

    i

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-who-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-superbugs/

    So here is what I do know about antibiotics. Actually quite a bit, as one of the guys I regularly play golf with on sunday is a microbiologist. We have talked about this for hours, because it is interesting and good to hear from someone on the front
    lines of the research.

    When someone comes to the hospital, and they have signs of infection, like a UTI, or pneumonia, or whatever, the doctors will often prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic. Or sometimes, they will guess the pathogen causing the infection, and prescribe a
    narrow spectrum They are freqently wrong with the narrow spectrum, and the broad spectrum is like killing a fly with a tank, it can be overkill. The best way to treat an infection according to my friend, is to treat the symptoms, give IV hydration,
    and do cultures to the blood, respiratory tract , and urine. Once the cultures return from the lab, now you know the target organism, and you can apply the optimal antibiotic. Problem is it can take hours or days for a culture to return, they want
    people in and out, because it is all about making money. Bottom line, many mistakes are made, causing death of good flora and facilitating further resistance.

    I have learned that a lot of folks who came to hospitals with chest x rays showing consolidation, they are prescribed broad specturm antibiotics. Especially in rural hospitals, where they do not have infectious disease doctors. They come to ER, put on
    broad spectrums, and sent home This is dangerous and reckless. In addition, when the infections are viral, they are essentially worthless anyway.

    So I am favor of anitibiotics when used properly. Sepsis does kill people, and to my knowledge the keystone of severe sepsis is antibiotics. They just have to be used judiciously, and frequently they are not. And many patients sadly do not have the
    sophistication to understand that antibiotics are not miracle drugs, and they do have a significant side effect profile.

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jul 23 05:56:59 2022
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence, you
    remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like fools
    took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be jabbed, while
    their masters laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about the
    jab is true, anything negative is false, and conspiratorial.
    Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much different than those
    that still stand by Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like
    walking death and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without commerical
    after commercial about some miracle drug. Drugs, drugs,
    drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a Tylenol, if my back
    aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in your
    body. People have been brainwashed to think that every
    problem can be fixed by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they
    cause more problems than they fix. Except for those making
    this crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every
    step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the market
    now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great retirement
    one day. You silly pricks, many of you will roll up your
    sleeves again. such servitude, such blindness, such
    stubborness, yes you assholes or those you love may pay a
    price. And you will shift blame to others for your stupidity,
    like the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word) is
    that no possible compound that you can put in your body can
    have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals in
    your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The problem
    is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot of
    them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster than
    new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are often
    responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough to
    need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice, but
    for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune system
    first, and look for alternative remedies, over pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3 minutes.

    :-)

    I would have to research that or speak to my DO.

    There is good and bad with alternative medicines, just with conventional. What I like about my DO is he will try everything he can to avoid medicines, but he will then write scripts if all else fails.

    Case in point. My wife's last physical last year, she had borderline high BP. Top number 140s. The doctor said this was a warning sign , a bit high. An MD would probably just put her on a low dose BP med, instead he gave my wife a cocktail of
    Hawthorne Berry, Co-q10, magnesium, and these beet root shakes , which taste horrible by the way. In addition, he told her to lose 10 pounds. Well, my wife got those supplements, daily did those shakes, and joined a gym and hired a trainer, she
    actually lost about 12 pounds. I take her BPs every few days, the worst I see is high 120s, so the program worked. No meds thank goodness.

    Another example. A friend of mine saw him MD, his AIC was up. They wanted to put him on Metformin. My friend did not want to start on a diabetic med, so i gave him the number of my DO. My friend was put on a cocktail of several supplements, and he
    was referred to a clinical nutritionist, for weight reduction and a carb controlled diet. Six months later, his AIC is great, no need for meds.

    For routine cuts and scrapes, I use tea tree oil. Very soothing, never has let me down.

    I take several daily supplements. I really like the health benefits of beets, so i also do a daily beet root cocktail. 5000 units of vitamin D, Vitamin C, nattokinase daily, garlic and cayenne supplements. and a LOT of exercise, good diet, and sun.
    . Try to keep the stress under control, that is a biggie. Yes, I am an asshole, it is too much energy trying to be nice to many people, when they are just a bunch of stupid worthless rogues. Maybe some of you think the same of me, hey I can handle
    that, go for it! I am healthy as a horse , do not take it for granted at all.. The nattokinase, garlic, and cayenne keeps by blood on the thin side, since a lot of health conditions are associated with clotting issues, and many Covid infection has
    been associated with Vit D deficiency. So that is my vaccine, i do not recomend it for anyone, that is just what my DO suggests, and so far no Covid, and no worries about Covid. Oh, and no masks under any circumstances. Fresh air beats rebreathed air
    any day!

    I distrust everyhing coming from the medical establishment, because it mostly about treatment, not prevention. A pill for that, a pill for this, everything is a fucking pill. Every commercial it sees is pushing some med. Meds surely have their place,
    but better to focus on diet, fitness, and alternative approaches first. just my two cents, it works for me.
    taller than him, how time flies. All the best!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Sat Jul 23 10:37:44 2022
    On 2022-07-23 05:56, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence,
    you remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like
    fools took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be
    jabbed, while their masters laugh and drown in profits
    and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about
    the jab is true, anything negative is false, and
    conspiratorial. Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much
    different than those that still stand by Biden, the
    fucking imbecile looks like walking death and does not
    know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without
    commerical after commercial about some miracle drug.
    Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a
    Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it, instead of
    putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems
    than they fix. Except for those making this crap, and
    selling this crap, they are laughing every step to the
    bank. Myself included, I am out of the market now, but
    made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great
    retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will
    roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such
    blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or those
    you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to
    others for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame
    me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word)
    is that no possible compound that you can put in your body
    can have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals
    in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The
    problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot
    of them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster
    than new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are
    often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from
    the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough
    to need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice,
    but for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune
    system first, and look for alternative remedies, over
    pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3
    minutes.

    :-)

    I would have to research that or speak to my DO.

    There is good and bad with alternative medicines, just with
    conventional. What I like about my DO is he will try everything he
    can to avoid medicines, but he will then write scripts if all else
    fails.

    Case in point. My wife's last physical last year, she had borderline
    high BP. Top number 140s. The doctor said this was a warning sign ,
    a bit high. An MD would probably just put her on a low dose BP med,
    instead he gave my wife a cocktail of Hawthorne Berry, Co-q10,
    magnesium, and these beet root shakes , which taste horrible by the
    way. In addition, he told her to lose 10 pounds. Well, my wife got
    those supplements, daily did those shakes, and joined a gym and hired
    a trainer, she actually lost about 12 pounds. I take her BPs every
    few days, the worst I see is high 120s, so the program worked. No
    meds thank goodness.

    Another example. A friend of mine saw him MD, his AIC was up. They
    wanted to put him on Metformin. My friend did not want to start on a diabetic med, so i gave him the number of my DO. My friend was put
    on a cocktail of several supplements, and he was referred to a
    clinical nutritionist, for weight reduction and a carb controlled
    diet. Six months later, his AIC is great, no need for meds.

    Other than the meds in those supplements, you mean.

    Hawthorne berry has been found to have medical uses... ...but if a drug
    company were to extract or synthesize the active compound(s)...

    ...it would suddenly be bad?

    Willow bark tea would be cool with you...

    ...but acetylsalicylic acid would "causes more problems than it fixes"?





    For routine cuts and scrapes, I use tea tree oil. Very soothing,
    never has let me down.

    And the difference between tea tree oil and other antiseptics,
    analgesics is...


    ...what?


    I take several daily supplements. I really like the health benefits
    of beets, so i also do a daily beet root cocktail. 5000 units of
    vitamin D, Vitamin C, nattokinase daily, garlic and cayenne
    supplements. and a LOT of exercise, good diet, and sun..

    So you do take certain compounds?

    Try to keep
    the stress under control, that is a biggie. Yes, I am an asshole,

    Yes. You are.

    it
    is too much energy trying to be nice to many people, when they are
    just a bunch of stupid worthless rogues. Maybe some of you think the
    same of me, hey I can handle that, go for it! I am healthy as a
    horse , do not take it for granted at all.. The nattokinase, garlic,
    and cayenne keeps by blood on the thin side, since a lot of health
    conditions are associated with clotting issues, and many Covid

    And coumadin/warfarin (which I take to prevent clots from forming—target
    INR of 2.5) would be bad, because....?

    How is nattokinase not just a drug?

    infection has been associated with Vit D deficiency. So that is my
    vaccine, i do not recomend it for anyone, that is just what my DO
    suggests, and so far no Covid, and no worries about Covid. Oh, and
    no masks under any circumstances. Fresh air beats rebreathed air any
    day!

    A mask changes the amount of air you rebreathe by a tiny fraction.


    I distrust everyhing coming from the medical establishment, because
    it mostly about treatment, not prevention.

    How is a pill for preventing high blood pressure different than your
    wife's cocktail?

    A pill for that, a pill
    for this, everything is a fucking pill. Every commercial it sees is
    pushing some med. Meds surely have their place,

    You said explicitly that they did more harm than good.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Sat Jul 23 10:41:06 2022
    On 2022-07-23 04:53, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence,
    you remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like
    fools took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be
    jabbed, while their masters laugh and drown in profits
    and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about
    the jab is true, anything negative is false, and
    conspiratorial. Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much
    different than those that still stand by Biden, the
    fucking imbecile looks like walking death and does not
    know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without
    commerical after commercial about some miracle drug.
    Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a
    Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it, instead of
    putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems
    than they fix. Except for those making this crap, and
    selling this crap, they are laughing every step to the
    bank. Myself included, I am out of the market now, but
    made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great
    retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will
    roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such
    blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or those
    you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to
    others for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame
    me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word)
    is that no possible compound that you can put in your body
    can have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals
    in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The
    problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot
    of them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster
    than new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are
    often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from
    the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough
    to need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice,
    but for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune
    system first, and look for alternative remedies, over
    pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3
    minutes.

    :-)

    i

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-who-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-superbugs/

    'Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist
    group mainly known for anti-vaccine propaganda and has been identified
    as one of the main sources of misinformation on
    vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Founded under the name World Mercury Project
    in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[7][8] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination
    and fluoridation of drinking water.[9] The group has been contributing
    to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and
    legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and
    legislation.[10][11][12] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted
    by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness
    of vaccines'


    So here is what I do know about antibiotics. Actually quite a bit,
    as one of the guys I regularly play golf with on sunday is a
    microbiologist. We have talked about this for hours, because it is interesting and good to hear from someone on the front lines of the
    research.

    When someone comes to the hospital, and they have signs of infection,
    like a UTI, or pneumonia, or whatever, the doctors will often
    prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic. Or sometimes, they will guess
    the pathogen causing the infection, and prescribe a narrow spectrum
    They are freqently wrong with the narrow spectrum, and the broad
    spectrum is like killing a fly with a tank, it can be overkill. The
    best way to treat an infection according to my friend, is to treat
    the symptoms, give IV hydration, and do cultures to the blood,
    respiratory tract , and urine. Once the cultures return from the
    lab, now you know the target organism, and you can apply the optimal antibiotic. Problem is it can take hours or days for a culture to
    return, they want people in and out, because it is all about making
    money. Bottom line, many mistakes are made, causing death of good
    flora and facilitating further resistance.

    So you trust the microbiologist...

    ...and not the medical doctor.

    Got it.


    I have learned that a lot of folks who came to hospitals with chest x
    rays showing consolidation, they are prescribed broad specturm
    antibiotics. Especially in rural hospitals, where they do not have infectious disease doctors. They come to ER, put on broad spectrums,
    and sent home This is dangerous and reckless. In addition, when the infections are viral, they are essentially worthless anyway.

    So I am favor of anitibiotics when used properly. Sepsis does kill
    people, and to my knowledge the keystone of severe sepsis is
    antibiotics. They just have to be used judiciously, and frequently
    they are not. And many patients sadly do not have the sophistication
    to understand that antibiotics are not miracle drugs, and they do
    have a significant side effect profile.

    Yes.

    Many people are as ignorant in their own way about medicine as you are.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jul 23 10:49:16 2022
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:41:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-23 04:53, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the evidence,
    you remain blind and defend the indefensible. Just like
    fools took the kool-aid, fools will continue to be
    jabbed, while their masters laugh and drown in profits
    and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive about
    the jab is true, anything negative is false, and
    conspiratorial. Sure sounds like a cult to me. Not much
    different than those that still stand by Biden, the
    fucking imbecile looks like walking death and does not
    know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without
    commerical after commercial about some miracle drug.
    Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take a
    Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it, instead of
    putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed by a
    drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more problems
    than they fix. Except for those making this crap, and
    selling this crap, they are laughing every step to the
    bank. Myself included, I am out of the market now, but
    made a killing with Pharmaceutical mutual funds. The
    stupidity of others has paved the way for a great
    retirement one day. You silly pricks, many of you will
    roll up your sleeves again. such servitude, such
    blindness, such stubborness, yes you assholes or those
    you love may pay a price. And you will shift blame to
    others for your stupidity, like the unvaxed. Yes, blame
    me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that word)
    is that no possible compound that you can put in your body
    can have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting chemicals
    in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The
    problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a lot
    of them just don't work anymore. The bugs are mutating faster
    than new antibiotics being developed. The need for stronger
    antibiotics to deal with these stronger bugs is worrisome,
    because the stronger the antibiotic, the more damage to your
    "good" flora, and a bigger burden to the kidneys, that are
    often responsbile for clearing these strong medicines from
    the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick enough
    to need them. If it was life or death, I might not have a choice,
    but for routine infections and fevers, I would trust my immune
    system first, and look for alternative remedies, over
    pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3
    minutes.

    :-)

    i

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-who-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-superbugs/
    'Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist
    group mainly known for anti-vaccine propaganda and has been identified
    as one of the main sources of misinformation on
    vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Founded under the name World Mercury Project
    in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[7][8] The group has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination
    and fluoridation of drinking water.[9] The group has been contributing
    to vaccine hesitancy in the United States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support anti-vaccine regulations and
    legislation.[10][11][12] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted
    by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness
    of vaccines'

    So here is what I do know about antibiotics. Actually quite a bit,
    as one of the guys I regularly play golf with on sunday is a microbiologist. We have talked about this for hours, because it is interesting and good to hear from someone on the front lines of the research.

    When someone comes to the hospital, and they have signs of infection,
    like a UTI, or pneumonia, or whatever, the doctors will often
    prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic. Or sometimes, they will guess
    the pathogen causing the infection, and prescribe a narrow spectrum
    They are freqently wrong with the narrow spectrum, and the broad
    spectrum is like killing a fly with a tank, it can be overkill. The
    best way to treat an infection according to my friend, is to treat
    the symptoms, give IV hydration, and do cultures to the blood,
    respiratory tract , and urine. Once the cultures return from the
    lab, now you know the target organism, and you can apply the optimal antibiotic. Problem is it can take hours or days for a culture to
    return, they want people in and out, because it is all about making
    money. Bottom line, many mistakes are made, causing death of good
    flora and facilitating further resistance.
    So you trust the microbiologist...

    ...and not the medical doctor.

    Got it.

    I have learned that a lot of folks who came to hospitals with chest x
    rays showing consolidation, they are prescribed broad specturm
    antibiotics. Especially in rural hospitals, where they do not have infectious disease doctors. They come to ER, put on broad spectrums,
    and sent home This is dangerous and reckless. In addition, when the infections are viral, they are essentially worthless anyway.

    So I am favor of anitibiotics when used properly. Sepsis does kill
    people, and to my knowledge the keystone of severe sepsis is
    antibiotics. They just have to be used judiciously, and frequently
    they are not. And many patients sadly do not have the sophistication
    to understand that antibiotics are not miracle drugs, and they do
    have a significant side effect profile.
    Yes.

    Many people are as ignorant in their own way about medicine as you are.

    Bottom line combover boy, I pass on the vaccine. I will accept whale piss in my veins before this poison. Be a lemming ,I am very certain in a few years time will prove me right. People are waking up, stay in your slumber.

    Have a great day. Hope to see a money counting video from you soon, no one does it better than you. You were a star, be a star again!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Sat Jul 23 11:08:43 2022
    On 2022-07-23 10:49, Irving S wrote:
    On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:41:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-23 04:53, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:48, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:45:28 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 13:40, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:28:11 PM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-07-22 05:49, Irving S wrote:
    Yes, more and more like a cult. No matter the
    evidence, you remain blind and defend the
    indefensible. Just like fools took the kool-aid,
    fools will continue to be jabbed, while their masters
    laugh and drown in profits and power.

    These fools, these fucking fools. Anything positive
    about the jab is true, anything negative is false,
    and conspiratorial. Sure sounds like a cult to me.
    Not much different than those that still stand by
    Biden, the fucking imbecile looks like walking death
    and does not know his mother from a horse.

    Amazing, that you cannot watch a TV show without
    commerical after commercial about some miracle drug.
    Drugs, drugs, drugs. Fucking BS. I do not even take
    a Tylenol, if my back aches I deal with it, instead
    of putting chemicals in your body. People have been
    brainwashed to think that every problem can be fixed
    by a drug or chemical. Truth be it they cause more
    problems than they fix. Except for those making this
    crap, and selling this crap, they are laughing every
    step to the bank. Myself included, I am out of the
    market now, but made a killing with Pharmaceutical
    mutual funds. The stupidity of others has paved the
    way for a great retirement one day. You silly pricks,
    many of you will roll up your sleeves again. such
    servitude, such blindness, such stubborness, yes you
    assholes or those you love may pay a price. And you
    will shift blame to others for your stupidity, like
    the unvaxed. Yes, blame me assholes, see if i care.
    So your contention (if you actually understand that
    word) is that no possible compound that you can put in
    your body can have any positive effect?

    What about antibiotics?

    Antibiotics have their place.
    Sorry, but you just said:

    'if my back aches I deal with it, instead of putting
    chemicals in your body'

    And:

    'Truth be it they cause more problems than they fix.' The
    problem is they are too widely
    prescribed. Now, the problem is antibiotic resistance, a
    lot of them just don't work anymore. The bugs are
    mutating faster than new antibiotics being developed. The
    need for stronger antibiotics to deal with these stronger
    bugs is worrisome, because the stronger the antibiotic,
    the more damage to your "good" flora, and a bigger burden
    to the kidneys, that are often responsbile for clearing
    these strong medicines from the body.


    Surely my friend we can agree on this.
    That you're a hypocrite?

    Sure.

    I dont take antibiotics, because I have never been sick
    enough to need them. If it was life or death, I might not
    have a choice, but for routine infections and fevers, I would
    trust my immune system first, and look for alternative
    remedies, over pharmaceuticals.
    "Alternative remedies"?

    Like what?

    And I guess you're all in a tizzy because you reply in just 3
    minutes.

    :-)

    i

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-who-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-superbugs/


    'Children's Health Defense is an American 501(c)(3) nonprofit activist
    group mainly known for anti-vaccine propaganda and has been
    identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on
    vaccines.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Founded under the name World Mercury
    Project in 2011, it is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[7][8] The
    group has been campaigning against various public health programs,
    such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water.[9] The
    group has been contributing to vaccine hesitancy in the United
    States, encouraging citizens and legislators to support
    anti-vaccine regulations and legislation.[10][11][12] Arguments
    against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific
    consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines'

    So here is what I do know about antibiotics. Actually quite a
    bit, as one of the guys I regularly play golf with on sunday is
    a microbiologist. We have talked about this for hours, because it
    is interesting and good to hear from someone on the front lines
    of the research.

    When someone comes to the hospital, and they have signs of
    infection, like a UTI, or pneumonia, or whatever, the doctors
    will often prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic. Or sometimes,
    they will guess the pathogen causing the infection, and prescribe
    a narrow spectrum They are freqently wrong with the narrow
    spectrum, and the broad spectrum is like killing a fly with a
    tank, it can be overkill. The best way to treat an infection
    according to my friend, is to treat the symptoms, give IV
    hydration, and do cultures to the blood, respiratory tract , and
    urine. Once the cultures return from the lab, now you know the
    target organism, and you can apply the optimal antibiotic.
    Problem is it can take hours or days for a culture to return,
    they want people in and out, because it is all about making
    money. Bottom line, many mistakes are made, causing death of
    good flora and facilitating further resistance.
    So you trust the microbiologist...

    ...and not the medical doctor.

    Got it.

    I have learned that a lot of folks who came to hospitals with
    chest x rays showing consolidation, they are prescribed broad
    specturm antibiotics. Especially in rural hospitals, where they
    do not have infectious disease doctors. They come to ER, put on
    broad spectrums, and sent home This is dangerous and reckless. In
    addition, when the infections are viral, they are essentially
    worthless anyway.

    So I am favor of anitibiotics when used properly. Sepsis does
    kill people, and to my knowledge the keystone of severe sepsis
    is antibiotics. They just have to be used judiciously, and
    frequently they are not. And many patients sadly do not have the
    sophistication to understand that antibiotics are not miracle
    drugs, and they do have a significant side effect profile.
    Yes.

    Many people are as ignorant in their own way about medicine as you
    are.

    Bottom line combover boy, I pass on the vaccine.

    And straight back to the lame insults!

    I will accept whale
    piss in my veins before this poison. Be a lemming ,I am very certain
    in a few years time will prove me right. People are waking up, stay
    in your slumber.

    The facts just don't seem to agree with you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)