I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it through others.
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was very
limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks.
That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of
assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemic
levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these
events do not fit his racing hero narrative.
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was veryOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a race weekend.
limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still
own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been
out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks.
That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of
assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemicGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on attendance.
levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
...Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enough
to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-4, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
...Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enoughWell, it is a hobby for personal entertainment: while it is nice to win, there's also
to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
the overhead aspects of it to consider.
For example, I don't recall if this was Alan's first outing this year or not, but if it was,
I can well understand that there's the need to shake off the rust (relearning perishable
skills) and to do that while using up a set of old tires, rather than to try to squander
what will be not fully productive laps on a new set. FWIW, I do the same thing after
having a break from the water with diving: first couple of hours are in shakedown
which isn't pushing things, and zero new gear/configuration changes to manage.
Ditto for golf: at the start of a season -- and when I get a new club -- the first
swings are never at 100% power.
-hh
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:story that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was very limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to ErleOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a race weekend.
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? MoreGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on attendance.
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing participation? That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBC membership is down, the track management structure has changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public health scare.
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was veryOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a race weekend.
limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still
own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been
out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks.
That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of
assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemicGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on attendance.
levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was veryOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a race weekend.
limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still
own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been
out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks.
That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of
assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemicGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on attendance.
levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend. What
good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just sitting in the
garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we want to see that
car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this, but we
can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
or
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was veryOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a race weekend.
limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally beaten
handily in the past.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still
own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been
out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi. Female?
If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when she walks.
That could have been a major distraction for Alan (see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road course
track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From the
January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the operation
and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase a number of
assets from the club. These include concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building. The club executive
has negotiated a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets
will be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal
contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in
entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from pre-pandemicGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on attendance.
levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend.
What good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just
sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we
want to see that car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long
to hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this,
but we can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was
very limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to
Erle Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally
beaten handily in the past.
race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I
still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that
would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi.
Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when
she walks. That could have been a major distraction for Alan
(see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road
course track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA
will be collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance.
From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase
a number of assets from the club. These include concrete blocks,
steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building.
The club executive has negotiated a dollar value for these
assets. The value of assets will be put towards future track
rentals. The executive has in principle agreed to this offer. We
are awaiting a more formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal
outlines a daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard fees).
Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers
can expect a 30% increase in entry fees to pay for the elevated
track rental fee. We will see how that works for the profit/loss
on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a
part? More importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client.
How will this change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in
Mission Raceway?
for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on
attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if
these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not
care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing participation?
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBC membership is
down, the track management structure has changed, and then too there
was a bit of a general public health scare.
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course management from
SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the way SCCBC was performing?
A money grab to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious
rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story that's
apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-4, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still
own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been >>> out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
...Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enough
to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
Well, it is a hobby for personal entertainment: while it is nice to win, there's also
the overhead aspects of it to consider.
For example, I don't recall if this was Alan's first outing this year or not, but if it was,
I can well understand that there's the need to shake off the rust (relearning perishable
skills) and to do that while using up a set of old tires, rather than to try to squander
what will be not fully productive laps on a new set. FWIW, I do the same thing after
having a break from the water with diving: first couple of hours are in shakedown
which isn't pushing things, and zero new gear/configuration changes to manage.
Ditto for golf: at the start of a season -- and when I get a new club -- the first
swings are never at 100% power.
On 2022-07-18 11:02, -hh wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-4, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still >>> own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been >>> out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
...Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enough
to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
Well, it is a hobby for personal entertainment: while it is nice to win, there's also
the overhead aspects of it to consider.
For example, I don't recall if this was Alan's first outing this year or not, but if it was,It was.
I can well understand that there's the need to shake off the rust (relearning perishableWell, I'll cop to being too cocky for my own good. I thought that, even though the tires would clearly be past their best, that I could still
skills) and to do that while using up a set of old tires, rather than to try to squander
what will be not fully productive laps on a new set. FWIW, I do the same thing after
having a break from the water with diving: first couple of hours are in shakedown
which isn't pushing things, and zero new gear/configuration changes to manage.
Ditto for golf: at the start of a season -- and when I get a new club -- the first
swings are never at 100% power.
beat all the competition I was likely to face.
I honestly didn't think that the difference in performance between my
three year old American Racers (stored very poorly, too) and Hoosier's
Club Ford slicks would be enough to put Erle in front of me, and it
seemed wasteful to simply let that set get even worse while I used by
newest tires.
Now I'm coming around to two (no, three!) realizations:
1. If you're out there to win, use the best tires you've got.
2. Have one set of wheels for your race tires, and use your old and
awful tires for practice.
3. I need to buy a third set of wheels.
:-)
On 2022-07-18 11:02, -hh wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:04:49 PM UTC-4, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
...
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I still >>> own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been >>> out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
...Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did not care enough
to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
Well, it is a hobby for personal entertainment: while it is nice to win, there's also
the overhead aspects of it to consider.
For example, I don't recall if this was Alan's first outing this year or not, but if it was,It was.
I can well understand that there's the need to shake off the rust (relearning perishableWell, I'll cop to being too cocky for my own good. I thought that, even though the tires would clearly be past their best, that I could still
skills) and to do that while using up a set of old tires, rather than to try to squander
what will be not fully productive laps on a new set. FWIW, I do the same thing after
having a break from the water with diving: first couple of hours are in shakedown
which isn't pushing things, and zero new gear/configuration changes to manage.
Ditto for golf: at the start of a season -- and when I get a new club -- the first
swings are never at 100% power.
beat all the competition I was likely to face.
I honestly didn't think that the difference in performance between my
three year old American Racers (stored very poorly, too) and Hoosier's
Club Ford slicks would be enough to put Erle in front of me, and it
seemed wasteful to simply let that set get even worse while I used by
newest tires.
Now I'm coming around to two (no, three!) realizations:
1. If you're out there to win, use the best tires you've got.
2. Have one set of wheels for your race tires, and use your old and
awful tires for practice.
3. I need to buy a third set of wheels.
:-)
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this weekend.
What good is some tin can on four wheels when it is just
sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We want some video, we
want to see that car go. We want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in an
expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we long
to hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast like this,
but we can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441 >>>
Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday after a
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there was
very limited participation and the Baker entity placed second to
Erle Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally
beaten handily in the past.
race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires I
still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that
would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around $300
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay Rimaldi.
Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain bounces gently when
she walks. That could have been a major distraction for Alan
(see https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road
course track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA
will be collecting rental fees and taking care of maintenance.
From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to purchase
a number of assets from the club. These include concrete blocks,
steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom building.
The club executive has negotiated a dollar value for these
assets. The value of assets will be put towards future track
rentals. The executive has in principle agreed to this offer. We
are awaiting a more formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal
outlines a daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard fees).
Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers
can expect a 30% increase in entry fees to pay for the elevated
track rental fee. We will see how that works for the profit/loss
on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a
part? More importantly SCCBC is now just another rental client.
How will this change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in
Mission Raceway?
for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact on
attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not if
these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did notNope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unused set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level competition,
because we agreed as a group that everyone could run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for a permanent answer to the problem
that it looks like American Racer will no longer by making the tires we
had all agreed to use for the past decade.
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing participation?Hmmm...
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he and his
wife have decided that they don't want to get vaccinated and so can't
cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford engine
to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm using a Honda:
the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has too many
other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at more than 6 hours drive from
the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running properly
after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine builder)... ...only to
discover he's got cancer and is now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my earlier comments...)
and as he wanted to race, he's been running in Formula Continental until
his FF engine was ready. Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him
back later in the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since before
BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year. The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner, Don (and we
hope that they will both be out soon as Don actually owns two FFs), as
well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBC membership is down, the track management structure has changed, and then too thereYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want to claim
was a bit of a general public health scare.
you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the way SCCBC was performing?You're reading the MINUTES, too!
A money grab to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story that's
apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a website and
deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you needing to visit one
PDF of minutes at a time before going "Back" to select from a drop-down
menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great arrangement
with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income from the road course
every time it was used without really needing to lift a finger or spend
a dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2, in turn
6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was all paid for by
the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club members (including myself) did much of the work or provided services through
their businesses at very favourable cost to the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for certain
members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with experience in running
road racing venues and taken over operation of the road racing course in
the hopes that they can make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's maintenance
and improvements than the SCCBC was paying (because their membership of
drag racers won't really have much motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing have
increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of about $600
when a budget for the entire year was probably something like $4000. Not
an inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when it
is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We want
some video, we want to see that car go. We want to hear and
feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in
an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we
long to hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast
like this, but we can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441 >>>>>
Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unused setOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there
was very limited participation and the Baker entity placed
second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has
normally beaten handily in the past.
after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires
I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks
that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a major
distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road
course track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA.
BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking care of
maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and
washroom building. The club executive has negotiated a dollar
value for these assets. The value of assets will be put
towards future track rentals. The executive has in principle
agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal contract
from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050
for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30%
increase in entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental
fee. We will see how that works for the profit/loss on the
race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a
part? More importantly SCCBC is now just another rental
client. How will this change affect SCCBC's long term in
interest in Mission Raceway?
$300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact
on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not
if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did
not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could run
whatever tires they would like to run while we search for a
permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American Racer
will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to use for the
past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he and
his wife have decided that they don't want to get vaccinated and so
can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford
engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm using
a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a mid-60s
design to the power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has too
many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in Trail, BC,
which was always going to be an extreme challenge at more than 6
hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine
(see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine
builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in half—a
good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my earlier
comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been running in Formula
Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it finally is, and
we hope we'll see him back later in the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been working
on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year. The
aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner, Don
(and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don actually owns
two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want to
membership is down, the track management structure has changed,
and then too there was a bit of a general public health scare.
claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course management
from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the way SCCBC was
performing? A money grab to get more income off the SCCBC events?
Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story
that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a website
and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you needing to
visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going "Back" to select
from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income from
the road course every time it was used without really needing to
lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2, in
turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was all
paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid for
them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to the
club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with them
was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over operation
of the road racing course in the hopes that they can make a few
more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying (because
their membership of drag racers won't really have much motivation
to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing have
increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of about
$600 when a budget for the entire year was probably something like
$4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper
for anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out the
juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some
pretty high standards. I find it easy to navigate and very intuitive.
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?
Or, just a
guess since the minutes are in Word, it might have been developed on
Windows?
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when it
is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We want
some video, we want to see that car go. We want to hear and
feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast in
an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right now, we
long to hear about the speed and power. We cannot go fast
like this, but we can sure experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unused setOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the Monday
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that there
was very limited participation and the Baker entity placed
second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan has
normally beaten handily in the past.
after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest tires
I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks
that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from around
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a major
distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here. Road
course track management has changed from SCCBC to BCCCA.
BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking care of
maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and
washroom building. The club executive has negotiated a dollar
value for these assets. The value of assets will be put
towards future track rentals. The executive has in principle
agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more formal contract
from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily track rental
of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for weekend (a preferred rate
discounted from their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050
for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect a 30%
increase in entry fees to pay for the elevated track rental
fee. We will see how that works for the profit/loss on the
race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are playing a
part? More importantly SCCBC is now just another rental
client. How will this change affect SCCBC's long term in
interest in Mission Raceway?
$300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to no impact
on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe not
if these events do not fit his racing hero narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly did
not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new tires!
would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could run
whatever tires they would like to run while we search for a
permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American Racer
will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to use for the
past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he and
his wife have decided that they don't want to get vaccinated and so
can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford
engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm using
a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a mid-60s
design to the power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has too
many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in Trail, BC,
which was always going to be an extreme challenge at more than 6
hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine
(see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine
builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in half—a
good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my earlier
comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been running in Formula
Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it finally is, and
we hope we'll see him back later in the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been working
on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year. The
aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner, Don
(and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don actually owns
two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want to
membership is down, the track management structure has changed,
and then too there was a bit of a general public health scare.
claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course management
from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the way SCCBC was
performing? A money grab to get more income off the SCCBC events?
Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story
that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a website
and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you needing to
visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going "Back" to select
from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income from
the road course every time it was used without really needing to
lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2, in
turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was all
paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid for
them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to the
club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with them
was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over operation
of the road racing course in the hopes that they can make a few
more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying (because
their membership of drag racers won't really have much motivation
to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing have
increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of about
$600 when a budget for the entire year was probably something like
$4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper
for anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out the
juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?I know so.
Wow, you have someYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu, click
pretty high standards. I find it easy to navigate and very intuitive.
or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just aLOL!!!!
guess since the minutes are in Word, it might have been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly used
word processing application in the world and which has been basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at least 5 years,
it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the latest
minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to
hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it
through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441 >>>>>>>
I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity
placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts
and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will
be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to
no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at
more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner,
Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off
the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2,
in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was
all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid
for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much
motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of
about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in
the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at
least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed on
Windows, but that it might have been.
I have no issues with the SCCBC
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's
function before form Liarboy.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never
change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancient
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in
competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for
buying one.
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to
hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it
through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity
placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts
and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will
be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to
no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at
more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner,
Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off
the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2,
in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was
all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid
for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much
motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of
about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in
the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at
least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.Nope.
I never said the site was developed onAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows, Liarboy.
Windows, but that it might have been.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a website
that one either downloads or reads (if the browser itself or a plugin
for the browser is capable of interpreting that file; a PDF in this
case) is created does literally NOTHING to inform you how the website
ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS these days,
and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web development could easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the minutes for
a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy life, you've been
part of a club executive at some point in some capacity) are prepared by
the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBCAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's function before form Liarboy.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never
change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancientAnd then you lie again.
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in
competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for
buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of use, and
it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to
hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it
through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity
placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts
and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will
be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to
no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at
more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner,
Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off
the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2,
in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was
all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid
for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much
motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of
about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in
the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at
least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.Nope.
I never said the site was developed onAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows, Liarboy.
Windows, but that it might have been.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a website that one either downloads or reads (if the browser itself or a plugin
for the browser is capable of interpreting that file; a PDF in this
case) is created does literally NOTHING to inform you how the website ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS these days, and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web development could easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the minutes for
a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy life, you've been
part of a club executive at some point in some capacity) are prepared by the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBCAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's function before form Liarboy.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancientAnd then you lie again.
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of use, and
it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become popular too. Why is that?main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is transmitted.
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours, or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse, at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No 5
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to
hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it
through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
Nope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity
placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts
and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will
be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in
principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how
that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to
no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at
more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner,
Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off
the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2,
in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was
all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid
for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much
motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of
about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in
the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at
least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed onAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows, Liarboy.
Windows, but that it might have been.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a website
that one either downloads or reads (if the browser itself or a plugin
for the browser is capable of interpreting that file; a PDF in this
case) is created does literally NOTHING to inform you how the website
ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS these days,
and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web development could
easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft Word" was
ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF Producer" data,
which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the club have
been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the minutes for
a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy life, you've been
part of a club executive at some point in some capacity) are prepared by
the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS that person
uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBCAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's
function before form Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never
change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more
dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancient
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in
competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for
buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of use, and
it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in actual on-track
performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become popular too. Why is that?main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is transmitted.
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours, or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse, at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No 5
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to >>>>>>>>>> hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it >>>>>>>>>> through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
Nope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity >>>>>>>>> placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts >>>>>>>>> and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will >>>>>>>>> be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in >>>>>>>>> principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how >>>>>>>>> that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to >>>>>>>> no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at >>>>>> more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner, >>>>>> Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off >>>>>>> the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2, >>>>>> in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was >>>>>> all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid >>>>>> for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much >>>>>> motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of >>>>>> about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in >>>>>> the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at >>>> least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed onAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows, Liarboy. >>
Windows, but that it might have been.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a website >> that one either downloads or reads (if the browser itself or a plugin
for the browser is capable of interpreting that file; a PDF in this
case) is created does literally NOTHING to inform you how the website
ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS these days, >> and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web development could
easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft Word" was >> ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF Producer" data, >> which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the club have >> been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the minutes for >> a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy life, you've been
part of a club executive at some point in some capacity) are prepared by >> the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS that person >> uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBCAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's
function before form Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never
change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more
dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancient
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in
competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for
buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of use, and
it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in actual on-track
performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
5 main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is transmitted.In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours, or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse, at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment about the
Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in my Formula
F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal, precisely because it
would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
You are a liar, through and through.
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4, Irving
S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story this
weekend. What good is some tin can on four wheels when
it is just sitting in the garage accumulating dust. We
want some video, we want to see that car go. We want to >>>>>>>>>> hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have gone fast
in an expensive wace car. Our lives are on hold right
now, we long to hear about the speed and power. We
cannot go fast like this, but we can sure experience it >>>>>>>>>> through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
Nope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old, unusedOr maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on the
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is that
there was very limited participation and the Baker entity >>>>>>>>> placed second to Erle Archer in every race. Erle is
someone Alan has normally beaten handily in the past.
Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the oldest
tires I still own, while he has a set of Hoosier Club Ford
slicks that would have been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten him
handily.
Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going from
There is also a new driver in the mix, one Courtenay
Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to wonder if her brain
bounces gently when she walks. That could have been a
major distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!
There is also an interesting back story going on here.
Road course track management has changed from SCCBC to
BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting rental fees and taking
care of maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC meeting
minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take over the
operation and rental of the road course, have offered to
purchase a number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts >>>>>>>>> and washroom building. The club executive has negotiated
a dollar value for these assets. The value of assets will >>>>>>>>> be put towards future track rentals. The executive has in >>>>>>>>> principle agreed to this offer. We are awaiting a more
formal contract from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a
daily track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their standard
fees). Last year we paid $1050 for weekday and $2100 for
weekend. Racers can expect a 30% increase in entry fees
to pay for the elevated track rental fee. We will see how >>>>>>>>> that works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down from
pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher fees are
playing a part? More importantly SCCBC is now just
another rental client. How will this change affect
SCCBC's long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
around $300 for an entry to around $375 will have little to >>>>>>>> no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so deeply...
Maybe Alan will share more details on this change? Maybe
not if these events do not fit his racing hero
narrative.
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you clearly
did not care enough to be competitive. Time to buy new
tires!
set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone could
run whatever tires they would like to run while we search for
a permanent answer to the problem that it looks like American
Racer will no longer by making the tires we had all agreed to
use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some health
challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State and he
and his wife have decided that they don't want to get
vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this year has
too many other projects on his plate... ...and he lives in
Trail, BC, which was always going to be an extreme challenge at >>>>>> more than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's been
working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to back
problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been since
before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this year.
The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's actual owner, >>>>>> Don (and we hope that they will both be out soon as Don
actually owns two FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records. SCCBCYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still want
membership is down, the track management structure has
changed, and then too there was a bit of a general public
health scare.
to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road course
management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not happy with the
way SCCBC was performing? A money grab to get more income off >>>>>>> the SCCBC events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the SCCBC
meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to a
website and deal with the fairly awful interface that sees you
needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time before going
"Back" to select from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a great
arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get rental income
from the road course every time it was used without really
needing to lift a finger or spend a dollar to have a road
course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns 1 and 2, >>>>>> in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the apex of turn 9 was >>>>>> all paid for by the Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the SCCBC paid >>>>>> for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because club
members (including myself) did much of the work or provided
services through their businesses at very favourable cost to
the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough for
certain members of the CCC executive, and our agreement with
them was up for renewal. So they've hired a track manager with
experience in running road racing venues and taken over
operation of the road racing course in the hopes that they can
make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the track's
maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was paying
(because their membership of drag racers won't really have much >>>>>> motivation to work on the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for racing
have increased by about 25%, for an additional yearly outlay of >>>>>> about $600 when a budget for the entire year was probably
something like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to go racing in >>>>>> the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes leave out
the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easy toYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up menu,
navigate and very intuitive.
click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open the pop-up
again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it might haveLOL!!!!
been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most commonly
used word processing application in the world and which has been
basically feature-complete on both Macs and Windows machines for at >>>> least 5 years, it must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From the
latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922) Quartz
PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed onAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows, Liarboy. >>
Windows, but that it might have been.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a website >> that one either downloads or reads (if the browser itself or a plugin
for the browser is capable of interpreting that file; a PDF in this
case) is created does literally NOTHING to inform you how the website
ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS these days, >> and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web development could
easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft Word" was >> ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF Producer" data, >> which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the club have >> been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the minutes for >> a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy life, you've been
part of a club executive at some point in some capacity) are prepared by >> the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS that person >> uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBCAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
site. It suits its purpose and the documents are easily found. It's
function before form Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You never
change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by virtue
of a relatively young age and good health, racing experience, a more
dependable, much lower maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe
even COVID. Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the work, go forth
and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the ancient
Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to maintain in
competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF. Good for you for
buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of use, and
it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in actual on-track
performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
5 main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is transmitted.In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours, or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse, at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason
I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of
tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment about the
Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in my Formula
F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal, precisely because it
would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
You are a liar, through and through.
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4,
Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story
this weekend. What good is some tin can on four
wheels when it is just sitting in the garage
accumulating dust. We want some video, we want
to see that car go. We want to hear and feel
the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have
gone fast in an expensive wace car. Our lives
are on hold right now, we long to hear about
the speed and power. We cannot go fast like
this, but we can sure experience it through
others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is
that there was very limited participation and the
Baker entity placed second to Erle Archer in
every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally
beaten handily in the past.
the Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the
oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of
Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out
of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten
him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one
Courtenay Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to
wonder if her brain bounces gently when she
walks. That could have been a major distraction
for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment aboutNope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old,Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going
There is also an interesting back story going on
here. Road course track management has changed
from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting
rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From
the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take
over the operation and rental of the road course,
have offered to purchase a number of assets from
the club. These include concrete blocks, steel
barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom
building. The club executive has negotiated a
dollar value for these assets. The value of
assets will be put towards future track rentals.
The executive has in principle agreed to this
offer. We are awaiting a more formal contract
from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily
track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their
standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect
a 30% increase in entry fees to pay for the
elevated track rental fee. We will see how that
works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down
from pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher
fees are playing a part? More importantly SCCBC
is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in
Mission Raceway?
from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will
have little to no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so
Maybe Alan will share more details on this
change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his
racing hero narrative.
deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you
clearly did not care enough to be competitive. Time
to buy new tires!
unused set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone
could run whatever tires they would like to run while
we search for a permanent answer to the problem that it
looks like American Racer will no longer by making the
tires we had all agreed to use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some
health challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State
and he and his wife have decided that they don't want
to get vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting
for his Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet
another reason I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine
builders capable of tuning a mid-60s design to the
power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this
year has too many other projects on his plate... ...and
he lives in Trail, BC, which was always going to be an
extreme challenge at more than 6 hours drive from the
track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and
running properly after several failed attempts to get a
reliable engine (see my earlier comment about finding a
good enough engine builder)... ...only to discover he's
got cancer and is now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft
broke in half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine
technology; see my earlier comments...) and as he
wanted to race, he's been running in Formula
Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the
year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's
been working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to
back problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been
since before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this
year. The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's
actual owner, Don (and we hope that they will both be
out soon as Don actually owns two FFs), as well as
Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records.You looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still
SCCBC membership is down, the track management
structure has changed, and then too there was a bit
of a general public health scare.
want to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road
course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not
happy with the way SCCBC was performing? A money grab
to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious
rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story
that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to
a website and deal with the fairly awful interface that
sees you needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time
before going "Back" to select from a drop-down menu for
the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and
simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a
great arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get
rental income from the road course every time it was
used without really needing to lift a finger or spend a
dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns
1 and 2, in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the
apex of turn 9 was all paid for by the Sports Car
Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the
SCCBC paid for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because
club members (including myself) did much of the work or
provided services through their businesses at very
favourable cost to the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough
for certain members of the CCC executive, and our
agreement with them was up for renewal. So they've
hired a track manager with experience in running road
racing venues and taken over operation of the road
racing course in the hopes that they can make a few
more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the
track's maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was
paying (because their membership of drag racers won't
really have much motivation to work on the road
course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for
racing have increased by about 25%, for an additional
yearly outlay of about $600 when a budget for the
entire year was probably something like $4000. Not an
inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper for
anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes
leave out the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easyYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up
to navigate and very intuitive.
menu, click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open
the pop-up again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it mightLOL!!!!
have been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most
commonly used word processing application in the world and
which has been basically feature-complete on both Macs and
Windows machines for at least 5 years, it must mean it was
done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From
the latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922)
Quartz PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed on Windows, but that itAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows,
might have been.
Liarboy.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a
website that one either downloads or reads (if the browser
itself or a plugin for the browser is capable of interpreting
that file; a PDF in this case) is created does literally
NOTHING to inform you how the website ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS
these days, and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web
development could easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is
built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft
Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF
Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the
club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the
minutes for a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy
life, you've been part of a club executive at some point in
some capacity) are prepared by the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS
that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBC site. It suits its purposeAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
and the documents are easily found. It's function before form
Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You
never change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by
virtue of a relatively young age and good health, racing
experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine
than the Kent, and maybe even COVID. Take advantage of your
position and go out and win a bunch of races in the next few
years. You put in the work, go forth and have fun. You
deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the
ancient Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to
maintain in competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF.
Good for you for buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of
use, and it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in
actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The
difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that
it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC
FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and
maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become
popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that
level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that
an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can
you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours,
or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse,
at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is
liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No 5
main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is
transmitted.
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford
engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm
using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a
mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine
(see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine
builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been running
in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
the Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in my
Formula F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal, precisely
because it would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
You are a liar, through and through.
AFAIK I claimed that the Kent is not competitive compared to the Fit.
Sure, a fresh Kent may be as powerful as the Kent, but is it
competitive?
One of your fellow races is dealing with a broken crank.
You had Kent issues yourself that cost you time on the track. I seem
to recall that the old #21 even came with a spare engine. Correct?
Would you trade your Honda for a Kent?
Let's look at the 2021 SCCA Runoff FF results!
24 FF cars entered 4 Fords 20 Hondas
Hondas took the top 17 positions, Fords finished 18, 19, 20 and 22.
Two DNFs, both Honda. The Ford that was #22 was not running at the
finish.
These teams can run Honda or Ford. Right? Why did the top 17 all go
with Honda?
On 2022-07-21 13:28, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4,
Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story
this weekend. What good is some tin can on four
wheels when it is just sitting in the garage
accumulating dust. We want some video, we want
to see that car go. We want to hear and feel
the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have
gone fast in an expensive wace car. Our lives
are on hold right now, we long to hear about
the speed and power. We cannot go fast like
this, but we can sure experience it through
others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is
that there was very limited participation and the
Baker entity placed second to Erle Archer in
every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally
beaten handily in the past.
the Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the
oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of
Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out
of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten
him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one
Courtenay Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to
wonder if her brain bounces gently when she
walks. That could have been a major distraction
for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment aboutNope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old,Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going
There is also an interesting back story going on
here. Road course track management has changed
from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting
rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From
the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take
over the operation and rental of the road course,
have offered to purchase a number of assets from
the club. These include concrete blocks, steel
barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom
building. The club executive has negotiated a
dollar value for these assets. The value of
assets will be put towards future track rentals.
The executive has in principle agreed to this
offer. We are awaiting a more formal contract
from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily
track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their
standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect
a 30% increase in entry fees to pay for the
elevated track rental fee. We will see how that
works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down
from pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher
fees are playing a part? More importantly SCCBC
is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in
Mission Raceway?
from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will
have little to no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so
Maybe Alan will share more details on this
change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his
racing hero narrative.
deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you
clearly did not care enough to be competitive. Time
to buy new tires!
unused set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone
could run whatever tires they would like to run while
we search for a permanent answer to the problem that it
looks like American Racer will no longer by making the
tires we had all agreed to use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some
health challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State
and he and his wife have decided that they don't want
to get vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting
for his Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet
another reason I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine
builders capable of tuning a mid-60s design to the
power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this
year has too many other projects on his plate... ...and
he lives in Trail, BC, which was always going to be an
extreme challenge at more than 6 hours drive from the
track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and
running properly after several failed attempts to get a
reliable engine (see my earlier comment about finding a
good enough engine builder)... ...only to discover he's
got cancer and is now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft
broke in half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine
technology; see my earlier comments...) and as he
wanted to race, he's been running in Formula
Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the
year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's
been working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to
back problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been
since before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this
year. The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's
actual owner, Don (and we hope that they will both be
out soon as Don actually owns two FFs), as well as
Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records.You looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still
SCCBC membership is down, the track management
structure has changed, and then too there was a bit
of a general public health scare.
want to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road
course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not
happy with the way SCCBC was performing? A money grab
to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious
rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story
that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to
a website and deal with the fairly awful interface that
sees you needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time
before going "Back" to select from a drop-down menu for
the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and
simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a
great arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get
rental income from the road course every time it was
used without really needing to lift a finger or spend a
dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns
1 and 2, in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the
apex of turn 9 was all paid for by the Sports Car
Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the
SCCBC paid for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because
club members (including myself) did much of the work or
provided services through their businesses at very
favourable cost to the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough
for certain members of the CCC executive, and our
agreement with them was up for renewal. So they've
hired a track manager with experience in running road
racing venues and taken over operation of the road
racing course in the hopes that they can make a few
more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the
track's maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was
paying (because their membership of drag racers won't
really have much motivation to work on the road
course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for
racing have increased by about 25%, for an additional
yearly outlay of about $600 when a budget for the
entire year was probably something like $4000. Not an
inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper for
anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes
leave out the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easyYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up
to navigate and very intuitive.
menu, click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open
the pop-up again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it mightLOL!!!!
have been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most
commonly used word processing application in the world and
which has been basically feature-complete on both Macs and
Windows machines for at least 5 years, it must mean it was
done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From
the latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922)
Quartz PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed on Windows, but that itAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows,
might have been.
Liarboy.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a
website that one either downloads or reads (if the browser
itself or a plugin for the browser is capable of interpreting
that file; a PDF in this case) is created does literally
NOTHING to inform you how the website ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS
these days, and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web
development could easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is
built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft
Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF
Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the
club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the
minutes for a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy
life, you've been part of a club executive at some point in
some capacity) are prepared by the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS
that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBC site. It suits its purposeAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
and the documents are easily found. It's function before form
Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You
never change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by
virtue of a relatively young age and good health, racing
experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine
than the Kent, and maybe even COVID. Take advantage of your
position and go out and win a bunch of races in the next few
years. You put in the work, go forth and have fun. You
deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the
ancient Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to
maintain in competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF.
Good for you for buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of
use, and it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in
actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The
difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that
it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC
FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and
maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become
popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that
level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that
an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can
you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours,
or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse,
at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is
liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No 5
main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is
transmitted.
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford
engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm
using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a
mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine
(see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine
builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been running
in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
the Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in my
Formula F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal, precisely
because it would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
You are a liar, through and through.
AFAIK I claimed that the Kent is not competitive compared to the Fit.And I demonstrated conclusively that that was bullshit.
Sure, a fresh Kent may be as powerful as the Kent, but is itYup. On the track, it is quite competitive as I showed you over and over.
competitive?
One of your fellow races is dealing with a broken crank.And?
You had Kent issues yourself that cost you time on the track. I seemNo. But not because a Kent can't win races.
to recall that the old #21 even came with a spare engine. Correct?
Would you trade your Honda for a Kent?
Let's look at the 2021 SCCA Runoff FF results!
24 FF cars entered 4 Fords 20 Hondas
Hondas took the top 17 positions, Fords finished 18, 19, 20 and 22.And here we go again.
Two DNFs, both Honda. The Ford that was #22 was not running at the
finish.
There are other reasons that competitiveness on the track to use a Honda.
These teams can run Honda or Ford. Right? Why did the top 17 all goBecause it makes economic and workload sense.
with Honda?
While a Kent can be competitive on the track, you'll spend more over the course of a couple seasons keeping it competitive.
And you'll spend more time between sessions making sure everything is working as it should.
Time is a limited commodity on a race weekend, so having less to do on
the engine leaves more time to do other things.
Let's look at a few other things you got wrong:
First, you said, 'explain why Honda dominates this SCCBC FF series.'...
...when there were literally NO HONDAS running at Mission.
Next, you said, 'Another thought, the Canuck SCCBC is keeping the Honda engine out by local rule? That's a question'
And while you say it's a question, you went on to try and "prove" it by reading some text on a non-authoritative website (formulafordbc.com; run
by a Kent engine fanatic):
'Let me answer that. SCCBC knows that the Honda would make the Fords obsolete, and they want to preserve the purity of Formula Ford.'
And that was wrong.
Exactly TWO people put forward a rule-change request to outlaw the
Honda. One was the aforementioned Kent fanatic (who wasn't even racing
at Mission when he expressed himself on the subject), and the other was
an engine builder who had a financial interest in making sure that local racers continued to use the Kent.
You explicitly claimed that a site that the Kent fanatics website listed
the rules and I explained you were wrong at the time:
'The rules are very explicit:
All Formula Fords are mid-engine, open-wheeled, single seaters with the 1600cc Ford (‘Kent’) engine. They are built to rigid class rules by specifying dimensions for all critical components. While engine modifications are limited by class rules, careful engine tuning produces power outputs up to 115 horsepower, compared to 86 horsepower for stock engines. '
On 2022-07-21 13:28, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM UTC-4,
Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing story
this weekend. What good is some tin can on four
wheels when it is just sitting in the garage
accumulating dust. We want some video, we want
to see that car go. We want to hear and feel
the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you have
gone fast in an expensive wace car. Our lives
are on hold right now, we long to hear about
the speed and power. We cannot go fast like
this, but we can sure experience it through
others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am on
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything is
that there was very limited participation and the
Baker entity placed second to Erle Archer in
every race. Erle is someone Alan has normally
beaten handily in the past.
the Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running the
oldest tires I still own, while he has a set of
Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have been out
of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have beaten
him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one
Courtenay Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to
wonder if her brain bounces gently when she
walks. That could have been a major distraction
for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment aboutNope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 year old,Given the overall cost of racing, the fees going
There is also an interesting back story going on
here. Road course track management has changed
from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be collecting
rental fees and taking care of maintenance. From
the January 2022 SCCBC meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to take
over the operation and rental of the road course,
have offered to purchase a number of assets from
the club. These include concrete blocks, steel
barriers, grandstands, 2 forklifts and washroom
building. The club executive has negotiated a
dollar value for these assets. The value of
assets will be put towards future track rentals.
The executive has in principle agreed to this
offer. We are awaiting a more formal contract
from Custom Car. The proposal outlines a daily
track rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from their
standard fees). Last year we paid $1050 for
weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can expect
a 30% increase in entry fees to pay for the
elevated track rental fee. We will see how that
works for the profit/loss on the race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way down
from pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the higher
fees are playing a part? More importantly SCCBC
is now just another rental client. How will this
change affect SCCBC's long term in interest in
Mission Raceway?
from around $300 for an entry to around $375 will
have little to no impact on attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so
Maybe Alan will share more details on this
change? Maybe not if these events do not fit his
racing hero narrative.
deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because you
clearly did not care enough to be competitive. Time
to buy new tires!
unused set would still let me win, and I was wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to level
competition, because we agreed as a group that everyone
could run whatever tires they would like to run while
we search for a permanent answer to the problem that it
looks like American Racer will no longer by making the
tires we had all agreed to use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing some
health challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington State
and he and his wife have decided that they don't want
to get vaccinated and so can't cross the border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting
for his Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet
another reason I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine
builders capable of tuning a mid-60s design to the
power levels necessary for Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular this
year has too many other projects on his plate... ...and
he lives in Trail, BC, which was always going to be an
extreme challenge at more than 6 hours drive from the
track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and
running properly after several failed attempts to get a
reliable engine (see my earlier comment about finding a
good enough engine builder)... ...only to discover he's
got cancer and is now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft
broke in half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine
technology; see my earlier comments...) and as he
wanted to race, he's been running in Formula
Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the
year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while he's
been working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due to
back problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have been
since before BCCCA took over running the road course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF this
year. The aforementioned Courtney, as well as the car's
actual owner, Don (and we hope that they will both be
out soon as Don actually owns two FFs), as well as
Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the club records.You looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you still
SCCBC membership is down, the track management
structure has changed, and then too there was a bit
of a general public health scare.
want to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road
course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA not
happy with the way SCCBC was performing? A money grab
to get more income off the SCCBC events? Curious
rec.sport.golf minds want to know the real back story
that's apparently not in the SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go to
a website and deal with the fairly awful interface that
sees you needing to visit one PDF of minutes at a time
before going "Back" to select from a drop-down menu for
the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and
simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had a
great arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them get
rental income from the road course every time it was
used without really needing to lift a finger or spend a
dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between turns
1 and 2, in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9, and at the
apex of turn 9 was all paid for by the Sports Car
Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2: the
SCCBC paid for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically because
club members (including myself) did much of the work or
provided services through their businesses at very
favourable cost to the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't enough
for certain members of the CCC executive, and our
agreement with them was up for renewal. So they've
hired a track manager with experience in running road
racing venues and taken over operation of the road
racing course in the hopes that they can make a few
more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for the
track's maintenance and improvements than the SCCBC was
paying (because their membership of drag racers won't
really have much motivation to work on the road
course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees for
racing have increased by about 25%, for an additional
yearly outlay of about $600 when a budget for the
entire year was probably something like $4000. Not an
inconsiderable increase, but hardly a show stopper for
anyone who can afford to go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in several
not-for-profit ventures and always the meeting minutes
leave out the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find it easyYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a pop-up
to navigate and very intuitive.
menu, click or otherwise go "Back" and then have to open
the pop-up again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in its development?LOL!
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, it mightLOL!!!!
have been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the most
commonly used word processing application in the world and
which has been basically feature-complete on both Macs and
Windows machines for at least 5 years, it must mean it was
done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep. From
the latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922)
Quartz PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed on Windows, but that itAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on Windows,
might have been.
Liarboy.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE on a
website that one either downloads or reads (if the browser
itself or a plugin for the browser is capable of interpreting
that file; a PDF in this case) is created does literally
NOTHING to inform you how the website ITSELF was developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular OS
these days, and in fact—as anyone who knows anything about web
development could easily have discovered, the SCCBC site is
built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that "Microsoft
Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF
Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for the
club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but the
minutes for a club meeting (and surely with your full and busy
life, you've been part of a club executive at some point in
some capacity) are prepared by the club secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever OS
that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBC site. It suits its purposeAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
and the documents are easily found. It's function before form
Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative. You
never change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world by
virtue of a relatively young age and good health, racing
experience, a more dependable, much lower maintenance, engine
than the Kent, and maybe even COVID. Take advantage of your
position and go out and win a bunch of races in the next few
years. You put in the work, go forth and have fun. You
deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that the
ancient Kent is a general pain in the ass and expensive to
maintain in competitive condition. Honda is the future of FF.
Good for you for buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease of
use, and it was YOU who insisted that it had an advantage in
actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The
difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean that
it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit that SCCBC
FF owners are having great difficulty in getting Kents ready for
the current season. If you can't race because you can't build and
maintain a competitive engine, well, do you see the point yet?
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become
popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before that
level of performance degrades? One source I read indicated that
an annual top end overhaul is required. How many new tires can
you buy if you don't need routine major engine maintenance?
Here is a different source:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
I quote:
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight hours,
or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little power. Worse,
at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes suspect and is
liable to break between the No 4 big end journal and the No 5
main bearing journal, where all the power from the engine is
transmitted.
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his Ford
engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another reason I'm
using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a
mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable engine
(see my earlier comment about finding a good enough engine
builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been running
in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready. Which it
finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
the Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in my
Formula F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal, precisely
because it would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
You are a liar, through and through.
AFAIK I claimed that the Kent is not competitive compared to the Fit.And I demonstrated conclusively that that was bullshit.
Sure, a fresh Kent may be as powerful as the Kent, but is itYup. On the track, it is quite competitive as I showed you over and over.
competitive?
One of your fellow races is dealing with a broken crank.And?
You had Kent issues yourself that cost you time on the track. I seemNo. But not because a Kent can't win races.
to recall that the old #21 even came with a spare engine. Correct?
Would you trade your Honda for a Kent?
Let's look at the 2021 SCCA Runoff FF results!
24 FF cars entered 4 Fords 20 Hondas
Hondas took the top 17 positions, Fords finished 18, 19, 20 and 22.And here we go again.
Two DNFs, both Honda. The Ford that was #22 was not running at the
finish.
There are other reasons that competitiveness on the track to use a Honda.
These teams can run Honda or Ford. Right? Why did the top 17 all goBecause it makes economic and workload sense.
with Honda?
While a Kent can be competitive on the track, you'll spend more over the course of a couple seasons keeping it competitive.
And you'll spend more time between sessions making sure everything is working as it should.
Time is a limited commodity on a race weekend, so having less to do on
the engine leaves more time to do other things.
Let's look at a few other things you got wrong:
First, you said, 'explain why Honda dominates this SCCBC FF series.'...
...when there were literally NO HONDAS running at Mission.
Next, you said, 'Another thought, the Canuck SCCBC is keeping the Honda engine out by local rule? That's a question'
And while you say it's a question, you went on to try and "prove" it by reading some text on a non-authoritative website (formulafordbc.com; run
by a Kent engine fanatic):
'Let me answer that. SCCBC knows that the Honda would make the Fords obsolete, and they want to preserve the purity of Formula Ford.'
And that was wrong.
Exactly TWO people put forward a rule-change request to outlaw the
Honda. One was the aforementioned Kent fanatic (who wasn't even racing
at Mission when he expressed himself on the subject), and the other was
an engine builder who had a financial interest in making sure that local racers continued to use the Kent.
You explicitly claimed that a site that the Kent fanatics website listed
the rules and I explained you were wrong at the time:
'The rules are very explicit:
All Formula Fords are mid-engine, open-wheeled, single seaters with the 1600cc Ford (‘Kent’) engine. They are built to rigid class rules by specifying dimensions for all critical components. While engine modifications are limited by class rules, careful engine tuning produces power outputs up to 115 horsepower, compared to 86 horsepower for stock engines. '
On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:46:40 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:or
On 2022-07-21 13:28, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-20 15:43, Tom Elam wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-20 05:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-19 14:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 3:00:40 PM UTC-4, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-07-18 09:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-07-18 06:10, Tom Elam wrote:
On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 10:47:39 PM
UTC-4, Irving S wrote:
I was hoping to hear at least one wacing
story this weekend. What good is some tin
can on four wheels when it is just sitting
in the garage accumulating dust. We want
some video, we want to see that car go. We
want to hear and feel the power.
No doubt, you have not lived until you
have gone fast in an expensive wace car.
Our lives are on hold right now, we long to
hear about the speed and power. We cannot
go fast like this, but we can sure
experience it through others.
You can get the 16/17 July results at:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/results/?mylaps=type,event,eventid,2018441
I'm sure we will hear some excuses after this post!Or maybe the reason is that it is only 7:45am
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/2018441
See the 3 OW 2 race results, Class FF
Maybe one reason we have not heard anything
is that there was very limited participation
and the Baker entity placed second to Erle
Archer in every race. Erle is someone Alan
has normally beaten handily in the past.
on the Monday after a race weekend.
Erle won because I thought I could win running
the oldest tires I still own, while he has a
set of Hoosier Club Ford slicks that would have
been out of bounds last year.
Had we been on equal rubber, I'd still have
beaten him handily.
There is also a new driver in the mix, one
Courtenay Rimaldi. Female? If so, one has to
wonder if her brain bounces gently when she
walks. That could have been a major
distraction for Alan (see
https://www.facebook.com/alangbaker/about_details).
I quote:Nope.I know so.Nope. The simple truth. I thought that the 3 yearGiven the overall cost of racing, the fees
There is also an interesting back story going
on here. Road course track management has
changed from SCCBC to BCCCA. BCCCA will be
collecting rental fees and taking care of
maintenance. From the January 2022 SCCBC
meeting minutes:
"Custom Car Club, as part of their plan to
take over the operation and rental of the
road course, have offered to purchase a
number of assets from the club. These include
concrete blocks, steel barriers, grandstands,
2 forklifts and washroom building. The club
executive has negotiated a dollar value for
these assets. The value of assets will be put
towards future track rentals. The executive
has in principle agreed to this offer. We are
awaiting a more formal contract from Custom
Car. The proposal outlines a daily track
rental of $4000 for weekday and $6000 for
weekend (a preferred rate discounted from
their standard fees). Last year we paid $1050
for weekday and $2100 for weekend. Racers can
expect a 30% increase in entry fees to pay
for the elevated track rental fee. We will
see how that works for the profit/loss on the
race weekend."
This year's open wheel participation is way
down from pre-pandemic levels. Wonder if the
higher fees are playing a part? More
importantly SCCBC is now just another rental
client. How will this change affect SCCBC's
long term in interest in Mission Raceway?
going from around $300 for an entry to around
$375 will have little to no impact on
attendance.
Fascinating that you feel the need to dig so
Maybe Alan will share more details on this
change? Maybe not if these events do not fit
his racing hero narrative.
deeply...
Thanks for the tires excuse. An excuse because
you clearly did not care enough to be
competitive. Time to buy new tires!
old, unused set would still let me win, and I was
wrong.
This year is really a throw-out when it comes to
level competition, because we agreed as a group
that everyone could run whatever tires they would
like to run while we search for a permanent answer
to the problem that it looks like American Racer
will no longer by making the tires we had all
agreed to use for the past decade.
Hmmm...
But more to the point, why the drop in OW racing
participation?
Some have moved away (Doug, who is also facing
some health challenges).
One (Dave) lives across the border in Washington
State and he and his wife have decided that they
don't want to get vaccinated and so can't cross the
border.
One regular from last year (Martin) is still
waiting for his Ford engine to be finished by Ivey
Engines (yet another reason I'm using a Honda: the
dearth of engine builders capable of tuning a
mid-60s design to the power levels necessary for
Formula F)
One guy (Josh) who was looking to be a regular
this year has too many other projects on his
plate... ...and he lives in Trail, BC, which was
always going to be an extreme challenge at more
than 6 hours drive from the track.
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together
and running properly after several failed attempts
to get a reliable engine (see my earlier comment
about finding a good enough engine builder)...
...only to discover he's got cancer and is now
undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up
(crankshaft broke in half—a good crank, but 50 year
old engine technology; see my earlier comments...)
and as he wanted to race, he's been running in
Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back
later in the year.
Alan McColl hasn't been running any class while
he's been working on his business and his health.
Another has been unable to do much of anything due
to back problems.
And car counts have been down in general and have
been since before BCCCA took over running the road
course.
Despite that, we've welcomed 3 new drivers to FF
this year. The aforementioned Courtney, as well as
the car's actual owner, Don (and we hope that they
will both be out soon as Don actually owns two
FFs), as well as Robert Fraser.
That's what led me to look into the clubYou looked into SCCBC membership numbers, but you
records. SCCBC membership is down, the track
management structure has changed, and then too
there was a bit of a general public health
scare.
still want to claim you're not obsessed, Liarboy?
You're reading the MINUTES, too!
Why did drag race centric BCCCA take over road
course management from SCCBC anyway? Was BCCCA
not happy with the way SCCBC was performing? A
money grab to get more income off the SCCBC
events? Curious rec.sport.golf minds want to know
the real back story that's apparently not in the
SCCBC meeting minutes.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL
Too funny!
No, no... ...you aren't in the LEAST obsessed to go
to a website and deal with the fairly awful
interface that sees you needing to visit one PDF of
minutes at a time before going "Back" to select
from a drop-down menu for the next PDF!
But on the subject, it was a cash grab, plain and
simple.
The Custom Car Club (as it is usually called) had
a great arrangement with the SCCBC which saw them
get rental income from the road course every time
it was used without really needing to lift a finger
or spend a dollar to have a road course.
For instance, the repaving that was done between
turns 1 and 2, in turn 6, between turns 8 and 9,
and at the apex of turn 9 was all paid for by the
Sports Car Club.
The new grandstands that were erected at turn 2:
the SCCBC paid for them.
The club was able to do this quite economically
because club members (including myself) did much of
the work or provided services through their
businesses at very favourable cost to the club.
But the money they were making apparently wasn't
enough for certain members of the CCC executive,
and our agreement with them was up for renewal. So
they've hired a track manager with experience in
running road racing venues and taken over operation
of the road racing course in the hopes that they
can make a few more dollars.
Of course, they're going to have to pay more for
the track's maintenance and improvements than the
SCCBC was paying (because their membership of drag
racers won't really have much motivation to work on
the road course).
But at the end of the day, it means that the fees
for racing have increased by about 25%, for an
additional yearly outlay of about $600 when a
budget for the entire year was probably something
like $4000. Not an inconsiderable increase, but
hardly a show stopper for anyone who can afford to
go racing in the first place.
Thanks for the details. I have been involved in
several not-for-profit ventures and always the
meeting minutes leave out the juicy stuff.
You think that the SCCBC interface is awful?
Wow, you have some pretty high standards. I find itYou find it "easy" to have to click on one link in a
easy to navigate and very intuitive.
pop-up menu, click or otherwise go "Back" and then have
to open the pop-up again...
...and again...
...and again?
Jealous that you are not involved in itsLOL!
development?
Or, just a guess since the minutes are in Word, itLOL!!!!
might have been developed on Windows?
You think that because something was written in the
most commonly used word processing application in the
world and which has been basically feature-complete on
both Macs and Windows machines for at least 5 years, it
must mean it was done on Windows???
Well, as usual, your "analysis" was about 1/4" deep.
From the latest minutes info:
"PDF Producer: macOS Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1922)
Quartz PDFContext"
Never change, Liarboy... ...never change!
You are the one that is lying.
I never said the site was developed on Windows, but thatAnd I never said you claimed the site was developed on
it might have been.
Windows, Liarboy.
1. You apparently don't realize that how a particular FILE
on a website that one either downloads or reads (if the
browser itself or a plugin for the browser is capable of
interpreting that file; a PDF in this case) is created does
literally NOTHING to inform you how the website ITSELF was
developed.
2. Websites aren't typically developed on ANY particular
OS these days, and in fact—as anyone who knows anything
about web development could easily have discovered, the
SCCBC site is built using WordPress.
3. You saw the "Title" data for the PDF to see that
"Microsoft Word" was ever involved...
...but you didn't bother to look further to see the "PDF
Producer" data, which is in the same dialog box.
If you had bothered, you would have seen that the PDFs for
the club have been produced on a Mac since March of 2021.
I realize this will come as a complete shock to you, but
the minutes for a club meeting (and surely with your full
and busy life, you've been part of a club executive at some
point in some capacity) are prepared by the club
secretary...
...and the minutes will perforce be prepared on whichever
OS that person uses.
I have no issues with the SCCBC site. It suits itsAnd my problem IS with function, Liarboy.
purpose and the documents are easily found. It's function
before form Liarboy.
And then you lie again.
You read things into a message that fit your narrative.
You never change, Liarboy.
Back to recent racing...
It looks like you have risen to the top of SCCBC FF world
by virtue of a relatively young age and good health,
racing experience, a more dependable, much lower
maintenance, engine than the Kent, and maybe even COVID.
Take advantage of your position and go out and win a
bunch of races in the next few years. You put in the
work, go forth and have fun. You deserve it.
BTW, thanks for finally admitting in great detail that
the ancient Kent is a general pain in the ass and
expensive to maintain in competitive condition. Honda is
the future of FF. Good for you for buying one.
I told YOU that the advantage of the Honda engine was ease
of use, and it was YOU who insisted that it had an
advantage in actual on-track performance.
You are completely without integrity.
Alan, you are a stupid ass if there ever was one. The
difficulties and cost of maintaining a Kent in top form mean
that it is not competitive with the Honda. Heck, you admit
that SCCBC FF owners are having great difficulty in getting
Kents ready for the current season. If you can't race because
you can't build and maintain a competitive engine, well, do
you see the point yet?
In other parts of the world the Ford Duratec 1600 has become
popular too. Why is that?
Once you even get a competitive Kent built how long before
that level of performance degrades? One source I read
indicated that an annual top end overhaul is required. How
many new tires can you buy if you don't need routine major
engine maintenance?
Here is a different source:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/june-1985/29/the-constructors-5-formula-ford-1600-engine-buil
You are a liar, through and through.Here is (as far as I can determine) my first ever comment
An FF1600 engine will run satisfactorily for around eight
hours, or 800 miles, and then it starts to lose a little
power. Worse, at that point the cast iron crankshaft becomes
suspect and is liable to break between the No 4 big end
journal and the No 5 main bearing journal, where all the
power from the engine is transmitted.
Quotes from you above:
One regular from last year (Martin) is still waiting for his
Ford engine to be finished by Ivey Engines (yet another
reason I'm using a Honda: the dearth of engine builders
capable of tuning a mid-60s design to the power levels
necessary for Formula F).
Another guy (Felim) finally got his car together and running
properly after several failed attempts to get a reliable
engine (see my earlier comment about finding a good enough
engine builder)... ...only to discover he's got cancer and is
now undergoing treatment.
Another (Pierre) had his engine blow up (crankshaft broke in
half—a good crank, but 50 year old engine technology; see my
earlier comments...) and as he wanted to race, he's been
running in Formula Continental until his FF engine was ready.
Which it finally is, and we hope we'll see him back later in
the year.
End quotes
You perjure yourself.
about the Honda vs the Kent in Formula F:
"2. I would happily switch from using the Ford Kent engine in
my Formula F to the Honda Fit one which is now class legal,
precisely because it would require far less maintenance. "
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/SINTvGeZQhQ/m/EWb0tsLZv_EJ>
And I demonstrated conclusively that that was bullshit.
AFAIK I claimed that the Kent is not competitive compared to the
Fit.
Sure, a fresh Kent may be as powerful as the Kent, but is itYup. On the track, it is quite competitive as I showed you over and
competitive?
over.
One of your fellow races is dealing with a broken crank.And?
You had Kent issues yourself that cost you time on the track. INo. But not because a Kent can't win races.
seem to recall that the old #21 even came with a spare engine.
Correct? Would you trade your Honda for a Kent?
And here we go again.
Let's look at the 2021 SCCA Runoff FF results!
24 FF cars entered 4 Fords 20 Hondas
Hondas took the top 17 positions, Fords finished 18, 19, 20 and
22. Two DNFs, both Honda. The Ford that was #22 was not running
at the finish.
There are other reasons that competitiveness on the track to use a
Honda.
Because it makes economic and workload sense.
These teams can run Honda or Ford. Right? Why did the top 17 all
go with Honda?
While a Kent can be competitive on the track, you'll spend more
over the course of a couple seasons keeping it competitive.
And you'll spend more time between sessions making sure everything
is working as it should.
Time is a limited commodity on a race weekend, so having less to do
on the engine leaves more time to do other things.
Let's look at a few other things you got wrong:
First, you said, 'explain why Honda dominates this SCCBC FF
series.'...
...when there were literally NO HONDAS running at Mission.
Next, you said, 'Another thought, the Canuck SCCBC is keeping the
Honda engine out by local rule? That's a question'
And while you say it's a question, you went on to try and "prove"
it by reading some text on a non-authoritative website
(formulafordbc.com; run by a Kent engine fanatic):
'Let me answer that. SCCBC knows that the Honda would make the
Fords obsolete, and they want to preserve the purity of Formula
Ford.'
And that was wrong.
Exactly TWO people put forward a rule-change request to outlaw the
Honda. One was the aforementioned Kent fanatic (who wasn't even
racing at Mission when he expressed himself on the subject), and
the other was an engine builder who had a financial interest in
making sure that local racers continued to use the Kent.
You explicitly claimed that a site that the Kent fanatics website
listed the rules and I explained you were wrong at the time:
'The rules are very explicit:
All Formula Fords are mid-engine, open-wheeled, single seaters with
the 1600cc Ford (‘Kent’) engine. They are built to rigid class
rules by specifying dimensions for all critical components. While
engine modifications are limited by class rules, careful engine
tuning produces power outputs up to 115 horsepower, compared to 86
horsepower for stock engines. '
The bottom line is that you cannot admit that your recent racing
success started when you bought a car with a Honda engine. Your ego
does not allow you to admit that the more dependable lower
maintenance cost Honda engine is a competitive advantage. Results in
SCCA clearly show the effect that Honda has had on the obsolete, less dependable, Kent.
In 2010, the year the Honda entered the FF scene, the Kent still
dominated with only a few Hondas running. By 2015, the year Rick
Payne won with a Honda, the Kent was down to about half the field.
Just 2 years later, at IMS, the Honda cars dominated the race with
only few Kents entered.
Honda has rejuvenated the SCCA FF class with a powerplant that is
clearly superior to the Kent in cost and reliability.
How many of your wins were due to competing against Kents that were
not in top form? Impossible to know, but reality is that the Kent has
to be overhauled frequently and has obsolete points/condenser
ignition and a carburetor. Both of these failed you when you had a
Kent, resulting in expenses and loss of track position. IIRC the Kent
that came in the car broke badly, like a thrown rod on broken crank?
Now, go take your Honda and dominate SCCBC FF, just like Honda has
dominated elsewhere. That's not to say you are not a good driver, it
takes both the car and the driver to win.
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