• Re: EV companies bilk BILLIONS out of stupid libtards

    From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat May 7 03:05:19 2022
    Found this while searching for something else...

    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck", or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT! Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...

    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    -hh

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat May 7 21:19:11 2022
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT! Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    -hh

    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun May 8 11:22:33 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT! Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.


    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Nov 22 16:09:51 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.
    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?

    -hh

    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton, whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill.
    https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Nov 22 17:01:26 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...

    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.
    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton, whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still* simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Nov 23 19:03:41 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.
    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative. As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton, whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.
    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still* simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Nov 23 19:06:22 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?


    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.
    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.
    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still* simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    -hh
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Nov 24 00:31:59 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.


    -hh

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Nov 24 11:06:14 2022
    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean,
    as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it
    didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.


    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which
    type of blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>


    Google lens agrees.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Nov 24 11:23:47 2022
    Bigbird wrote:

    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean,
    as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it
    didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.


    <shorturl.at/apRV5>

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Nov 24 05:47:39 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 6:23:49 AM UTC-5, Bigbird wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:

    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean,
    as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it
    didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.

    <shorturl.at/apRV5>

    Yup. Didthe “Manor” B&B is no longer
    an ongoing business, as owners Lynn & George have retired and are just
    renting out their villa on the waterfront .. it’s located at the other end of
    the same property. The Manor is still their residence, and the B&B rooms converted to a small (& free) Art installation. Here’s its street view:

    < https://maps.app.goo.gl/2K1g4xG6ZZtR54PH6?g_st=ic>

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Nov 24 22:36:06 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 3:23:49 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:

    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean,
    as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it
    didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.

    <shorturl.at/apRV5>

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of ARNA!!!!

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Nov 24 22:34:43 2022
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?
    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!

    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....
    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them. Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.


    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.



    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Nov 25 08:08:08 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:36:07 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 3:23:49 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:

    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.

    <shorturl.at/apRV5>

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of ARNA!!!!

    Hey, is Tommy saying something? I can’t hear him from here in Paris. /s

    IIRC, it was something like 200 shares, then +300 more. That should be
    ample for a second international trip with nicer/bigger airline seats, eh?

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Nov 25 08:01:12 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!

    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.

    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.

    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.

    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.

    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.

    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.


    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Nov 25 22:04:51 2022
    Tommy wrote:

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of
    ARNA!!!!

    The ONLY "Lyin' Asshole" on this group is the one who uses the term
    most often; like the ulimate in projection.

    I note how often you avoid any direct questions and only give infantile responses, you senile old fart, Betty.

    You are always running and hiding, pussy.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Nov 25 17:15:06 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:01:14 PM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.


    Damn jet lag. Looks like it was Sept 2019 and CVX:

    “ Very small if at all: yesterday’s high was only 124.18 and that happened in
    the last 20 minutes of the Market’s hours. That makes your theoretical max only 124.18/124 = a +0.145% gain ... before trading costs. “

    and:

    “i was merely noting that his claim wasn’t literally impossible.
    And from even the literary best case, his maximum gain potential
    of ~$27 ($26.10, actually) from $25K wasn’t anything to crow about.

    I doubt he covered his fees on both ends; given his readiness to be dishonest
    I doubt he made any gain at all.

    Fidelity’s published fee is US$4.95 per fee. Times two trades is $9.90. This means that Tom’s theoretical max gain on his claim was actually $26.10, which
    is less than the $27 that I said “less than” on. I didn’t round the trade fees off
    to $10 this time, but I will do so in the future. ”

    Oh, and Tommy’s ALXN was mentioned in that thread too.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/A_zdeUs2AwAJ>

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Nov 25 17:41:57 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:15:08 AM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:01:14 PM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.


    Damn jet lag. Looks like it was Sept 2019 and CVX:

    “ Very small if at all: yesterday’s high was only 124.18 and that happened in
    the last 20 minutes of the Market’s hours. That makes your theoretical max only 124.18/124 = a +0.145% gain ... before trading costs. “

    and:

    “i was merely noting that his claim wasn’t literally impossible.
    And from even the literary best case, his maximum gain potential
    of ~$27 ($26.10, actually) from $25K wasn’t anything to crow about.

    I doubt he covered his fees on both ends; given his readiness to be dishonest
    I doubt he made any gain at all.

    Fidelity’s published fee is US$4.95 per fee. Times two trades is $9.90. This
    means that Tom’s theoretical max gain on his claim was actually $26.10, which
    is less than the $27 that I said “less than” on. I didn’t round the trade fees off
    to $10 this time, but I will do so in the future. ”

    Oh, and Tommy’s ALXN was mentioned in that thread too.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/A_zdeUs2AwAJ>

    Missed one other one on CVX:

    “Similarly, to have made a $1,000+ gain would have required
    5611+ shares, requiring no less than ~$673,325 in capital.”

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/XfGNsaS_AQAJ>

    Backing that out to just the “$250K” claim Tommy makes above, that
    amount invested in CVX in this past trade would have returned roughly
    all of a +$370 gain (+0.15%) on his speculative gamble…and a much
    bigger loss if he had waited one more day that week before bailing out.

    Plus the irony is that CVX is since up for investors: $183 (+27%)

    -hh

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  • From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Nov 27 07:29:23 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 1:36:07 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 3:23:49 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:
    -hh wrote:

    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean,
    as we had found First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it
    didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    Walton's Mango Manor.

    <shorturl.at/apRV5>
    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of ARNA!!!!

    The law was followed, Tommy. You lose, Tommy.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Nov 28 01:00:17 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:41:59 AM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:15:08 AM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:01:14 PM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.


    Damn jet lag. Looks like it was Sept 2019 and CVX:

    “ Very small if at all: yesterday’s high was only 124.18 and that happened in
    the last 20 minutes of the Market’s hours. That makes your theoretical max
    only 124.18/124 = a +0.145% gain ... before trading costs. “

    and:

    “i was merely noting that his claim wasn’t literally impossible.
    And from even the literary best case, his maximum gain potential
    of ~$27 ($26.10, actually) from $25K wasn’t anything to crow about.

    I doubt he covered his fees on both ends; given his readiness to be dishonest
    I doubt he made any gain at all.

    Fidelity’s published fee is US$4.95 per fee. Times two trades is $9.90. This
    means that Tom’s theoretical max gain on his claim was actually $26.10, which
    is less than the $27 that I said “less than” on. I didn’t round the trade fees off
    to $10 this time, but I will do so in the future. ”

    Oh, and Tommy’s ALXN was mentioned in that thread too.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/A_zdeUs2AwAJ>
    Missed one other one on CVX:

    “Similarly, to have made a $1,000+ gain would have required
    5611+ shares, requiring no less than ~$673,325 in capital.”

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/XfGNsaS_AQAJ>

    Backing that out to just the “$250K” claim Tommy makes above, that amount invested in CVX in this past trade would have returned roughly
    all of a +$370 gain (+0.15%) on his speculative gamble…and a much
    bigger loss if he had waited one more day that week before bailing out.

    Plus the irony is that CVX is since up for investors: $183 (+27%)

    Gosh, where has Tommy crawled off to?

    In any event, will be an interesting open for CVX today. On the one hand,
    the weekend announcement for Venezuelan oil resumption should boost,
    but China CoVid and WTI crude dropping to <$75/bbl would counterbalance.

    French countryside is foggy this AM.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Nov 29 18:27:03 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on the advice. So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ (which I
    recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Nov 29 20:17:43 2022
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus
    spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    -hh

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  • From KenPitts@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 1 04:10:04 2022
    On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:27:34 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    The stocks of the companies listed below ballooned as much as FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT from their IPO price, only to tank:

    EV Companies Went Public With Big Plans. They're Quickly Hitting Snags.
    BY Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.
    — 8:10 AM ET 04/02/2021
    Over the past year, the stock market has been deluged with newly public electric-vehicle startups that raised money by pitching plans for rapid growth.

    Months into their lives on the public markets, a set of these companies are missing targets, adding costs and, in one case, upending major parts of a business model.

    On Monday, aspiring electric car and truck maker Canoo Inc. (GOEV) told investors it was abandoning or scaling back numerous key aspects of the strategy laid out when it raised $630 million last year. On Tuesday, five-year-old electric- vehicle battery
    maker Romeo Power Inc. (RMO) said it expected that revenue for the year would be no more than $40 million. That is far shy of the $140 million projected when it raised hundreds of millions of dollars from investors last year.

    Lordstown Motors Corp. (RIDE) disclosed in mid-March that its capital expenses through the end of 2022 would be more than double the amount projected last year when the electric-pickup-truck startup raised $780 million from investors.

    A fourth, electric-vehicle company XL Fleet Corp. (XL), said Wednesday it was facing problems because of the "ongoing impacts" of Covid-19 on the truck market and wouldn't provide formal guidance about its 2021 revenue. The company previously told
    investors it expected 2021 revenue to more than triple to $75 million; its first-quarter revenue is expected to be $1 million, flat from the year before.

    All four companies characterized the challenges as surmountable and told investors they still expect robust demand and growth in years to come. Investors were less sanguine: The stocks of all four companies fell on the developments, ranging from a 12%
    drop for XL Fleet (XL) to a 21% decline for Canoo (GOEV) the day after the announcements.

    The revelations so soon after the companies' listings illustrate that quickly building new auto giants from scratch can be more challenging than many of the companies had projected. All four announced the struggles on their first quarterly conference
    calls as public companies.

    Just months earlier, the companies outlined their plans for rapid growth to investors in slideshow presentations that all featured charts showing fast-rising revenue and profits.

    "These companies are finding it is harder to actually take that PowerPoint slide and get a product out of it than was envisioned," said Jon Lopez, an analyst at investment bank Vertical Group who follows the sector. "If you're having to reposition or
    pivot already, what's going to happen in three years or five years?" he asked, noting there would then be far more competition from traditional auto makers.

    Ever since Tesla Inc.'s stock took off mid-last year, the electric-vehicle space has been a searing hot sector, as investors have hunted for companies they hope to replicate the electric-car pioneer's stock-market success.

    Backers believe a rapid pivot to electric cars should open the door for new brands.

    While there has been a pullback in share prices in recent weeks, the trend was aided by a boom of special-purpose acquisition companies. A SPAC is a Wall Street tool that allows companies with no assets beyond cash to merge with private companies and
    bring those companies onto the stock market.

    At least 22 electric vehicle and battery companies have struck deals to go public through SPACs in the past year, raising more than $17 billion from investors, according to data from Baris Guzel, a principal at BMW i Ventures, a venture capital
    investor funded by BMW AG. That group includes several companies that have yet to complete their mergers, including Lucid Motors Inc. and Faraday Future.

    Helping fuel the SPAC boom is a practice that allows startups to publicly disclose revenue and profit projections - - strongly discouraged by regulations in the traditional route of going public but allowed in SPACs.

    These projections have helped the young electric-vehicle companies achieve multibillion-dollar valuations, even before many of them have generated any revenue.

    Ohio-based Lordstown went public in a merger with a SPAC in October, pledging that it would be able to make a new pickup truck faster and cheaper than is standard because it had acquired a former General Motors Co. car factory at a low price.

    Last month Lordstown told investors the costs would be higher than initially expected and said it would spend at least $300 million on capital expenses between 2020 and 2021, up from the $135 million initially forecast. The company said it faced some
    supplier shortages and wanted to accelerate production, which is scheduled to begin in September.

    Lordstown also said then that the Securities and Exchange Commission had opened an inquiry relating to preorders of its vehicles. The statement came soon after a short seller, Hindenburg Research, issued a report that alleged that Lordstown misled
    investors about the strength of its truck preorders, among other criticisms.

    Lordstown told investors last month that it was cooperating with the SEC inquiry. CEO Steve Burns has previously denied that the company misrepresented its preorder book and said the short seller's report contained half-truths and lies. The company
    declined to comment for this article.

    Canoo (GOEV) went public soon after Lordstown in a December SPAC merger. The four-year-old company based in Los Angeles pitched itself to investors last year by highlighting its business plan of not only developing cars but selling parts and
    engineering services to other auto makers. Canoo (GOEV) boasted to investors of its "innovative subscription business model" in which it would lease vehicles directly to consumers a month at a time. Canoo (GOEV) told investors a deal to jointly build car
    components with Hyundai Motor Co. showed "external validation of our technical leadership" in the sector.

    On Monday, Canoo's (GOEV) executive chairman, Tony Aquila, announced strategic shifts on a conference call that included awkward exchanges with analysts, including one in which he was asked whether Ulrich Kranz was still the chief executive officer. Mr.
    Aquila said Mr. Kranz, who wasn't on the call, was "still currently the CEO." The company's CFO and its head of corporate strategy, both of whom helped market the company to investors last year, recently departed.

    Mr. Aquila said the subscription model would be less than 20% of the company's business, given the high costs of building and owning so many cars itself. Canoo (GOEV) intends to move away from its plan to engineer car components for other companies, he
    said, as the practice "is just really not going to drive the best shareholder value."

    Finally, Mr. Aquila said Canoo (GOEV) now plans eventually to make its own factories. That emphasis reflects a departure from its prior approach, which the company called an "asset-light, flexible manufacturing strategy" that relied on third-party
    manufacturers.

    Mr. Aquila joined the company in his role in October, well after the earlier business plan had been created. "I wasn't here when they did the original model," he told analysts Monday. He added that he "wanted to get ahead of this and explain to you how
    this really is going to work."

    Looks like this has been fun with the usual suspects.

    Want an EV? Forget the hours and days it takes to recharge. These $100K Rivian junkers are all being recalled.

    Ken

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/electric-vehicle-company-recalls-nearly-all-of-its-cars

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to KenPitts on Thu Dec 1 09:52:49 2022
    On 2022-12-01 04:10, KenPitts wrote:
    On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 1:27:34 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    The stocks of the companies listed below ballooned as much as FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT from their IPO price, only to tank:

    EV Companies Went Public With Big Plans. They're Quickly Hitting Snags.
    BY Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.
    — 8:10 AM ET 04/02/2021
    Over the past year, the stock market has been deluged with newly public electric-vehicle startups that raised money by pitching plans for rapid growth.

    Months into their lives on the public markets, a set of these companies are missing targets, adding costs and, in one case, upending major parts of a business model.

    On Monday, aspiring electric car and truck maker Canoo Inc. (GOEV) told investors it was abandoning or scaling back numerous key aspects of the strategy laid out when it raised $630 million last year. On Tuesday, five-year-old electric- vehicle
    battery maker Romeo Power Inc. (RMO) said it expected that revenue for the year would be no more than $40 million. That is far shy of the $140 million projected when it raised hundreds of millions of dollars from investors last year.

    Lordstown Motors Corp. (RIDE) disclosed in mid-March that its capital expenses through the end of 2022 would be more than double the amount projected last year when the electric-pickup-truck startup raised $780 million from investors.

    A fourth, electric-vehicle company XL Fleet Corp. (XL), said Wednesday it was facing problems because of the "ongoing impacts" of Covid-19 on the truck market and wouldn't provide formal guidance about its 2021 revenue. The company previously told
    investors it expected 2021 revenue to more than triple to $75 million; its first-quarter revenue is expected to be $1 million, flat from the year before.

    All four companies characterized the challenges as surmountable and told investors they still expect robust demand and growth in years to come. Investors were less sanguine: The stocks of all four companies fell on the developments, ranging from a 12%
    drop for XL Fleet (XL) to a 21% decline for Canoo (GOEV) the day after the announcements.

    The revelations so soon after the companies' listings illustrate that quickly building new auto giants from scratch can be more challenging than many of the companies had projected. All four announced the struggles on their first quarterly conference
    calls as public companies.

    Just months earlier, the companies outlined their plans for rapid growth to investors in slideshow presentations that all featured charts showing fast-rising revenue and profits.

    "These companies are finding it is harder to actually take that PowerPoint slide and get a product out of it than was envisioned," said Jon Lopez, an analyst at investment bank Vertical Group who follows the sector. "If you're having to reposition or
    pivot already, what's going to happen in three years or five years?" he asked, noting there would then be far more competition from traditional auto makers.

    Ever since Tesla Inc.'s stock took off mid-last year, the electric-vehicle space has been a searing hot sector, as investors have hunted for companies they hope to replicate the electric-car pioneer's stock-market success.

    Backers believe a rapid pivot to electric cars should open the door for new brands.

    While there has been a pullback in share prices in recent weeks, the trend was aided by a boom of special-purpose acquisition companies. A SPAC is a Wall Street tool that allows companies with no assets beyond cash to merge with private companies and
    bring those companies onto the stock market.

    At least 22 electric vehicle and battery companies have struck deals to go public through SPACs in the past year, raising more than $17 billion from investors, according to data from Baris Guzel, a principal at BMW i Ventures, a venture capital
    investor funded by BMW AG. That group includes several companies that have yet to complete their mergers, including Lucid Motors Inc. and Faraday Future.

    Helping fuel the SPAC boom is a practice that allows startups to publicly disclose revenue and profit projections - - strongly discouraged by regulations in the traditional route of going public but allowed in SPACs.

    These projections have helped the young electric-vehicle companies achieve multibillion-dollar valuations, even before many of them have generated any revenue.

    Ohio-based Lordstown went public in a merger with a SPAC in October, pledging that it would be able to make a new pickup truck faster and cheaper than is standard because it had acquired a former General Motors Co. car factory at a low price.

    Last month Lordstown told investors the costs would be higher than initially expected and said it would spend at least $300 million on capital expenses between 2020 and 2021, up from the $135 million initially forecast. The company said it faced some
    supplier shortages and wanted to accelerate production, which is scheduled to begin in September.

    Lordstown also said then that the Securities and Exchange Commission had opened an inquiry relating to preorders of its vehicles. The statement came soon after a short seller, Hindenburg Research, issued a report that alleged that Lordstown misled
    investors about the strength of its truck preorders, among other criticisms.

    Lordstown told investors last month that it was cooperating with the SEC inquiry. CEO Steve Burns has previously denied that the company misrepresented its preorder book and said the short seller's report contained half-truths and lies. The company
    declined to comment for this article.

    Canoo (GOEV) went public soon after Lordstown in a December SPAC merger. The four-year-old company based in Los Angeles pitched itself to investors last year by highlighting its business plan of not only developing cars but selling parts and
    engineering services to other auto makers. Canoo (GOEV) boasted to investors of its "innovative subscription business model" in which it would lease vehicles directly to consumers a month at a time. Canoo (GOEV) told investors a deal to jointly build car
    components with Hyundai Motor Co. showed "external validation of our technical leadership" in the sector.

    On Monday, Canoo's (GOEV) executive chairman, Tony Aquila, announced strategic shifts on a conference call that included awkward exchanges with analysts, including one in which he was asked whether Ulrich Kranz was still the chief executive officer.
    Mr. Aquila said Mr. Kranz, who wasn't on the call, was "still currently the CEO." The company's CFO and its head of corporate strategy, both of whom helped market the company to investors last year, recently departed.

    Mr. Aquila said the subscription model would be less than 20% of the company's business, given the high costs of building and owning so many cars itself. Canoo (GOEV) intends to move away from its plan to engineer car components for other companies,
    he said, as the practice "is just really not going to drive the best shareholder value."

    Finally, Mr. Aquila said Canoo (GOEV) now plans eventually to make its own factories. That emphasis reflects a departure from its prior approach, which the company called an "asset-light, flexible manufacturing strategy" that relied on third-party
    manufacturers.

    Mr. Aquila joined the company in his role in October, well after the earlier business plan had been created. "I wasn't here when they did the original model," he told analysts Monday. He added that he "wanted to get ahead of this and explain to you
    how this really is going to work."

    Looks like this has been fun with the usual suspects.

    Want an EV? Forget the hours and days it takes to recharge. These $100K Rivian junkers are all being recalled.

    "Days" Pitty?

    Please.

    Stop talking about things about which you obviously know nothing.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Dec 2 17:29:07 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.
    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.
    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.
    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).
    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.
    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    -hh

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it. ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Dec 3 05:58:35 2022
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Dec 3 10:09:10 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else... On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    Fun with archives. Tommy claimed a nonspecific “ which makes it a good time to buy”
    on 15 Aug 2019. The first mention of TQQQ came days later, on 21 Aug 2021, which
    was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    No sign of that claim yet. And for the above, Tommy didn’t wait for a +50% rise,
    but bailed out after just an +11% increase. Ironic.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>


    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Dec 3 13:13:04 2022
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Dec 3 13:46:43 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)

    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Dec 3 22:06:16 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else... On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?
    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.


    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.


    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Dec 4 02:37:23 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else... On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop
    raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    Silence from Tommy.

    Because we know that it wasn't on 15 Aug 2019 when Tommy claimed a nonspecific “which makes it a good time to buy”, as the first mention of TQQQ came days later,
    on 21 Aug 2021, which was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    Silence from Tommy. No sign that this claim wasn't brand-new as of
    Dec 2, 2022, 8:29:10 PM (two days ago). And the irony is that back in
    2019 when Tommy first mentioned TQQ, he didn’t wait for a +50% rise,
    but bailed out after just an +11% increase.

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.

    Of course I can ... but that wasn't the point being raised.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.

    Gosh, that's pessimistic. You still going to be alive in 3 years?

    What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for?
    Because you've never shown any evidence here of trades that weren't short term.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun Dec 4 20:07:31 2022
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun Dec 4 20:03:42 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:37:24 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.
    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop
    raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?
    Silence from Tommy.

    Because we know that it wasn't on 15 Aug 2019 when Tommy claimed a nonspecific
    “which makes it a good time to buy”, as the first mention of TQQQ came days later,
    on 21 Aug 2021, which was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.
    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>
    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?
    Silence from Tommy. No sign that this claim wasn't brand-new as of
    Dec 2, 2022, 8:29:10 PM (two days ago). And the irony is that back in
    2019 when Tommy first mentioned TQQ, he didn’t wait for a +50% rise,
    but bailed out after just an +11% increase.
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.
    Of course I can ... but that wasn't the point being raised.
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.
    Gosh, that's pessimistic. You still going to be alive in 3 years?

    What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for? Because you've never shown any evidence here of trades that weren't short term.

    -hh

    Hey you fucking lying pervert, you ASKED the QUESTION and I GAVE you the answer! Now, you don't LIKE the answer - TOO FUCKING BAD!!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Dec 5 03:03:55 2022
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:03:43 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:37:24 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop
    raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus
    spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    Silence from Tommy.

    Because we know that it wasn't on 15 Aug 2019 when Tommy claimed a nonspecific
    “which makes it a good time to buy”, as the first mention of TQQQ came days later,
    on 21 Aug 2021, which was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.
    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    Silence from Tommy. No sign that this claim wasn't brand-new as of
    Dec 2, 2022, 8:29:10 PM (two days ago). And the irony is that back in
    2019 when Tommy first mentioned TQQ, he didn’t wait for a +50% rise,
    but bailed out after just an +11% increase.

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are
    going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.

    Of course I can ... but that wasn't the point being raised.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.

    Gosh, that's pessimistic. You still going to be alive in 3 years?

    What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for? Because you've never shown any evidence here of trades that weren't short term.

    Hey you fucking lying pervert, you ASKED the QUESTION and I GAVE you the answer!
    Now, you don't LIKE the answer - TOO FUCKING BAD!!

    Yes, you did finally answer *one* question, even though it was the lowest bar set.
    Likewise, you went with as safe of an answer as you think you can get away with.

    Of course, you probably forgot that TQQQ's a recent product with a short track record,
    so you didn't look at time horizons based on the NASDAQ Composite that it leverages:
    the NASDAQ's history has had periods where it has been negative for more than three
    (3) years.

    Case in point, see: {Nov07-Jan11} and {Mar00-Feb14} ... and don't forget that these
    don't include TQQQ's 0.95% expense ratio losses that the NASDAC Composite lacks.

    In the meantime, Tommy avoids the less-easy question, namely the unlikelihood that he himself has the ability/willpower to hold TQQQ for this long.

    Even if the bar is lowered to just one year, Tommy hasn't ever bragged (let alone
    shown receipts) that he's held TQQQ long enough to pay LTCG tax rates instead of short.

    Or, apparently, pretty much anything else. Found in the archives:

    [quote]
    The record shows otherwise. Here's the first example of one of these so-called "explicit" buy/sell recommendations:

    "Hiding Hughie, you are SO FUCKED UP! I bought TQQQ and held it for a DAY
    AND A HALF for a ELEVEN PERCENT GAIN!"

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/4T8lYrpc5mk/WRoidM9HAAAJ>

    Yes, that's the sell, but it is also the first time that Tom's mentioned TQQQ, which
    means his claim of being "explicit on both security and time" is totally missing its
    buy recommendation. Conclusion: a complete failure by Tom.

    Next, ALXN. There was a buy recommendation which was done okay, but there wasn't any sell criteria volunteered: Tom was pushed to state what his exit criteria
    was, which he finally said was a +10% gain, but he ended up losing his nerve and
    sold before reaching said criteria. Conclusion: with the +10% sell criteria not
    voluntarily included ... and then not met either, can't be considered a success.

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/8S_rMeksEQAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/sMpOVqNWAAAJ>

    Finally, there was CVX, which Tom refused to note any exit criteria was, and once again, he ended up bailing. If Tom made any gain at all, it was less than 0.2%.
    Conclusion: another failure by Tom to provide so-called explicit directions, as well as
    a second financial "whoops!" where his prognosis for what profit had failed him:

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/9A3D2vUgI7s/NnOwnhqjAQAJ>

    Granted, its only n=3, but the pattern has been that the more explicit Tom has been
    with his disclosures, the less financially successful his trades have become. [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/Bi0CClw7Aa0/m/1aSEd4XaBgAJ>

    Perhaps Tommy will enlighten us on how briefly he held PONAX too...

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Dec 5 09:11:03 2022
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already >>>> at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what >>>> it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are >>>> going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!

    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Dec 5 21:37:10 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:03:57 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:03:43 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:37:24 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop
    raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus
    spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    Silence from Tommy.

    Because we know that it wasn't on 15 Aug 2019 when Tommy claimed a nonspecific
    “which makes it a good time to buy”, as the first mention of TQQQ came days later,
    on 21 Aug 2021, which was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.
    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    Silence from Tommy. No sign that this claim wasn't brand-new as of
    Dec 2, 2022, 8:29:10 PM (two days ago). And the irony is that back in 2019 when Tommy first mentioned TQQ, he didn’t wait for a +50% rise, but bailed out after just an +11% increase.

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are
    going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.

    Of course I can ... but that wasn't the point being raised.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.

    Gosh, that's pessimistic. You still going to be alive in 3 years?

    What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for? Because you've never shown any evidence here of trades that weren't short term.

    Hey you fucking lying pervert, you ASKED the QUESTION and I GAVE you the answer!
    Now, you don't LIKE the answer - TOO FUCKING BAD!!
    Yes, you did finally answer *one* question, even though it was the lowest bar set.
    Likewise, you went with as safe of an answer as you think you can get away with.

    Of course, you probably forgot that TQQQ's a recent product with a short track record,
    so you didn't look at time horizons based on the NASDAQ Composite that it leverages:
    the NASDAQ's history has had periods where it has been negative for more than three
    (3) years.

    Case in point, see: {Nov07-Jan11} and {Mar00-Feb14} ... and don't forget that these
    don't include TQQQ's 0.95% expense ratio losses that the NASDAC Composite lacks.

    In the meantime, Tommy avoids the less-easy question, namely the unlikelihood
    that he himself has the ability/willpower to hold TQQQ for this long.

    Even if the bar is lowered to just one year, Tommy hasn't ever bragged (let alone
    shown receipts) that he's held TQQQ long enough to pay LTCG tax rates instead of short.

    Or, apparently, pretty much anything else. Found in the archives:

    [quote]
    The record shows otherwise. Here's the first example of one of these so-called
    "explicit" buy/sell recommendations:

    "Hiding Hughie, you are SO FUCKED UP! I bought TQQQ and held it for a DAY AND A HALF for a ELEVEN PERCENT GAIN!"

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/4T8lYrpc5mk/WRoidM9HAAAJ>

    Yes, that's the sell, but it is also the first time that Tom's mentioned TQQQ, which
    means his claim of being "explicit on both security and time" is totally missing its
    buy recommendation. Conclusion: a complete failure by Tom.

    Next, ALXN. There was a buy recommendation which was done okay, but there wasn't any sell criteria volunteered: Tom was pushed to state what his exit criteria
    was, which he finally said was a +10% gain, but he ended up losing his nerve and
    sold before reaching said criteria. Conclusion: with the +10% sell criteria not
    voluntarily included ... and then not met either, can't be considered a success.

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/8S_rMeksEQAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/sMpOVqNWAAAJ>

    Finally, there was CVX, which Tom refused to note any exit criteria was, and once again, he ended up bailing. If Tom made any gain at all, it was less than 0.2%.
    Conclusion: another failure by Tom to provide so-called explicit directions, as well as
    a second financial "whoops!" where his prognosis for what profit had failed him:

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/9A3D2vUgI7s/NnOwnhqjAQAJ>

    Granted, its only n=3, but the pattern has been that the more explicit Tom has been
    with his disclosures, the less financially successful his trades have become.
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/Bi0CClw7Aa0/m/1aSEd4XaBgAJ>

    Perhaps Tommy will enlighten us on how briefly he held PONAX too...

    -hh

    LOL!

    So, did you follow my advice and buy TQQQ today? I doubt it. Well, I DID, near the day's low at 22 (I LIKE IT when things go on sale!). I don't care if it drops lower from here because I WILL hold it for the long term.

    What I have noticed about you is that you are LONG on bullshit and SHORT on action. You will NEVER become a multimillionaire with that attitude.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 5 21:39:16 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question: >>>>
    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are
    going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are a LOSER!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Dec 5 22:09:13 2022
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question: >>>>>>
    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are >>>>>> going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are a LOSER!

    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Dec 6 03:24:03 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:37:12 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 3:03:57 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:03:43 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 2:37:24 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:06:17 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:17:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:27:04 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill.
    https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?
    FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs
    and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as
    well as provide substantiation.

    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.

    -hh

    I gave you PLENTY of trades IN ADVANCE or NEARLY in advance (immediately
    after purchase). All you idiots did was to poo-poo each one rather than act on
    the advice.

    My, my, what a load of revisionism.

    No, you were selling the hype in broad hand sweeps. it wasn’t until you got
    called on it that you tried to show contemporary specifics…but that’s where
    you struggled as your brags failed to perform (see $26.10) & you gave up.

    So I stopped giving advice. But you can compare the performance of TQQQ
    (which I recommended) relative to the period of ARNA to the point it was
    bought out and you will see a substantial outperformance by TQQQ.

    No, you showed cherry-picked “what if”s, based on the past performance and
    with also with shortsighted momentum trading; IIRC, you’ve never shown any
    trades that were planned & expressed as LTCG from their outset. That’s why
    I noted you were gambling, not investing. Similarly, you chose these investment
    points, as I’d never stated for how long I’d owned ARNA. Suffice to say it was
    well before I’d mentioned it. That’s why I dropped multi-year timeframe clues.
    Oh, and it paid off too, fortunately (some of my speculations haven’t, of course).

    At some point we will get past the Bidenflation and the Fed will stop
    raising rates and TQQQ will be a buy again, but not yet.

    Keeping in mind how much of that inflation was due to Biden stimulus
    spending & QE during CoVid in 2020. /s Meantime, any TQQQ that you
    still held in Dec 2021 is now worth 25%.

    And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?

    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.

    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    Silence from Tommy.

    Because we know that it wasn't on 15 Aug 2019 when Tommy claimed a nonspecific
    “which makes it a good time to buy”, as the first mention of TQQQ came days later,
    on 21 Aug 2021, which was apparently also several days after a Tommy had sold it.
    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/4T8lYrpc5mk/m/A5HKuzxjAAAJ>

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!

    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    Silence from Tommy. No sign that this claim wasn't brand-new as of
    Dec 2, 2022, 8:29:10 PM (two days ago). And the irony is that back in 2019 when Tommy first mentioned TQQ, he didn’t wait for a +50% rise, but bailed out after just an +11% increase.

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are
    going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    You can buy right now, idiot.

    Of course I can ... but that wasn't the point being raised.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    Within 3 years.

    Gosh, that's pessimistic. You still going to be alive in 3 years?

    What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for? Because you've never shown any evidence here of trades that weren't short term.

    Hey you fucking lying pervert, you ASKED the QUESTION and I GAVE you the answer!
    Now, you don't LIKE the answer - TOO FUCKING BAD!!

    Yes, you did finally answer *one* question, even though it was the lowest bar set.
    Likewise, you went with as safe of an answer as you think you can get away with.

    Of course, you probably forgot that TQQQ's a recent product with a short track record,
    so you didn't look at time horizons based on the NASDAQ Composite that it leverages:
    the NASDAQ's history has had periods where it has been negative for more than three
    (3) years.

    Case in point, see: {Nov07-Jan11} and {Mar00-Feb14} ... and don't forget that these
    don't include TQQQ's 0.95% expense ratio losses that the NASDAC Composite lacks.

    In the meantime, Tommy avoids the less-easy question, namely the unlikelihood
    that he himself has the ability/willpower to hold TQQQ for this long.

    Even if the bar is lowered to just one year, Tommy hasn't ever bragged (let alone
    shown receipts) that he's held TQQQ long enough to pay LTCG tax rates instead of short.

    Or, apparently, pretty much anything else. Found in the archives:

    [quote]
    The record shows otherwise. Here's the first example of one of these so-called
    "explicit" buy/sell recommendations:

    "Hiding Hughie, you are SO FUCKED UP! I bought TQQQ and held it for a DAY AND A HALF for a ELEVEN PERCENT GAIN!"

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/4T8lYrpc5mk/WRoidM9HAAAJ>

    Yes, that's the sell, but it is also the first time that Tom's mentioned TQQQ, which
    means his claim of being "explicit on both security and time" is totally missing its
    buy recommendation. Conclusion: a complete failure by Tom.

    Next, ALXN. There was a buy recommendation which was done okay, but there wasn't any sell criteria volunteered: Tom was pushed to state what his exit criteria
    was, which he finally said was a +10% gain, but he ended up losing his nerve and
    sold before reaching said criteria. Conclusion: with the +10% sell criteria not
    voluntarily included ... and then not met either, can't be considered a success.

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/8S_rMeksEQAJ> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/yhHlqMZnqVs/sMpOVqNWAAAJ>

    Finally, there was CVX, which Tom refused to note any exit criteria was, and
    once again, he ended up bailing. If Tom made any gain at all, it was less than 0.2%.
    Conclusion: another failure by Tom to provide so-called explicit directions, as well as
    a second financial "whoops!" where his prognosis for what profit had failed him:

    <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/9A3D2vUgI7s/NnOwnhqjAQAJ>

    Granted, its only n=3, but the pattern has been that the more explicit Tom has been
    with his disclosures, the less financially successful his trades have become.
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/Bi0CClw7Aa0/m/1aSEd4XaBgAJ>

    Perhaps Tommy will enlighten us on how briefly he held PONAX too...

    LOL!

    Translation: also not held for long.

    So, did you follow my advice and buy TQQQ today? I doubt it.

    My bid price is much lower than your's, because as I've said, the Federal Reserve
    is still raising rates and there's still more QT to go.

    Well, I DID, near the day's low at 22 (I LIKE IT when things go on sale!).
    I don't care if it drops lower from here because I WILL hold it for the long term.

    Still being dodged:
    "What's the longest amount of time that you've actually held TQQQ for?"

    What I have noticed about you is that you are LONG on bullshit and SHORT on action.

    I've provided far more substantiation than you have.

    Case in point, on the "Tommy claims it doesn't exist" Annuity: <https://huntzinger.com/photo/2019b/recused_too.jpg>

    And:
    <https://huntzinger.com/photo/2019b/sliced.jpeg>

    Similarly:
    <https://huntzinger.com/photo/2019b/2022-pile.jpg>

    Oh, and look! Even an answer to that which Tommy was just whining for: <https://huntzinger.com/photo/2019b/ARNA.jpg>


    You will NEVER become a multimillionaire with that attitude.

    That was never a goal in life...but it is nice when life exceeds expectations.


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Dec 6 13:36:39 2022
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward question: >>>>>>
    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old platitude that the Markets
    will “eventually” come back (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the
    question is one of time and if the investor will live long enough to see it,
    especially for those in their fiscal de-accumulation life phase & already
    at their Actuarial lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have an inkling for what
    it is likely to be this time … so then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed rate hikes are
    going to end to invoke a buy-in at bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon expectation is for when even
    just TQQQ will return to its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline into oblivion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Dec 6 13:38:50 2022
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.


    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Dec 7 18:43:57 2022
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Dec 7 20:12:23 2022
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action' >>
    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Dec 9 14:49:41 2022
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 9 17:18:22 2022
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice". >>
    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?

    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Dec 9 17:49:51 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline >>>>> into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 9 18:41:43 2022
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>>>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline >>>>>>> into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice". >>>>
    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!

    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything, Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Dec 11 23:38:53 2022
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>>>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline >>>>>>> into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is >>>> another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly). >>>>
    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything, Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Dec 11 23:58:34 2022
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are >>>>>>>>>>> a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline >>>>>>>>> into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is >>>>>> another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly). >>>>>>
    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.


    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    :-)

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 12 03:43:28 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline >>>>>>>>> into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is >>>>>> another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly). >>>>>>
    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Dec 13 19:55:14 2022
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is >>>>>> another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything, >> Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.
    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".
    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.
    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),


    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish. Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.

    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule. The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks. TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in
    QQQ none of these EV companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Dec 14 04:51:27 2022
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed! >>>>>>>>>>>> You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.

    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.

    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.

    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    -hh

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  • From marika@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Dec 14 16:50:29 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 6:51:29 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.
    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.
    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.
    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    Tesla stock has lost a lot of value over this year while Musk has lost all credibility as a champion of free speech

    He has camcelled an outrageous number of accounts over the past week and prevented new accounts from certain countries, without rationale

    And as for the preposterous Twitter files, release, those make Trump at fault, not Biden

    “Twitter files chicanery”. Just like watergate.
    (Biden wasn’t even president when this “chicanery” occurred)

    Our national (political) obsession with twitter has become really over-the-top stupid.
    These people really need to get off twitter and go see grass once in awhile.

    Woods later deleted the below tweet
    James Woods
    ⁦‪@RealJamesWoods‬⁩


    How is the Twitter Files chicanery any different from Watergate in sum and substance?

    Nixon resigned when his henchmen tried to subvert free speech.

    Your turn, Mr. Biden.

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to marika on Wed Dec 14 17:26:10 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 6:50:31 PM UTC-6, marika wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 6:51:29 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.
    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.
    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.
    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153
    Tesla stock has lost a lot of value over this year while Musk has lost all credibility as a champion of free speech


    10 Tesla Investors Lose $132.5 Billion From Musk's Twitter Fiasco

    https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/tesla-stock-investors-lose-132-5-billion-from-musks-twitter-fiasco/

    He has camcelled an outrageous number of accounts over the past week and prevented new accounts from certain countries, without rationale

    And as for the preposterous Twitter files, release, those make Trump at fault, not Biden

    “Twitter files chicanery”. Just like watergate.
    (Biden wasn’t even president when this “chicanery” occurred)

    Our national (political) obsession with twitter has become really over-the-top stupid.
    These people really need to get off twitter and go see grass once in awhile.

    Woods later deleted the below tweet
    James Woods
    ⁦‪@RealJamesWoods‬⁩


    How is the Twitter Files chicanery any different from Watergate in sum and substance?

    Nixon resigned when his henchmen tried to subvert free speech.

    Your turn, Mr. Biden.

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to marika on Wed Dec 14 17:28:17 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 6:50:31 PM UTC-6, marika wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 6:51:29 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.
    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.
    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.
    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153
    Tesla stock has lost a lot of value over this year while Musk has lost all credibility as a champion of free speech

    Twitter suspends account that tracked Musk's private jet, despite billionaire's 'free speech' pledge

    Elon is a snowflake

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/14/tech/elonjet-twitter-suspended/index.html


    He has camcelled an outrageous number of accounts over the past week and prevented new accounts from certain countries, without rationale

    And as for the preposterous Twitter files, release, those make Trump at fault, not Biden

    “Twitter files chicanery”. Just like watergate.
    (Biden wasn’t even president when this “chicanery” occurred)

    Our national (political) obsession with twitter has become really over-the-top stupid.
    These people really need to get off twitter and go see grass once in awhile.

    Woods later deleted the below tweet
    James Woods
    ⁦‪@RealJamesWoods‬⁩


    How is the Twitter Files chicanery any different from Watergate in sum and substance?

    Nixon resigned when his henchmen tried to subvert free speech.

    Your turn, Mr. Biden.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Dec 14 22:16:36 2022
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the historical recovery timeframes have been and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information: >>>>>>>>>>
    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.

    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.

    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!

    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.
    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.
    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.
    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!

    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Dec 14 23:05:10 2022
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:41:59 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:15:08 AM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:01:14 PM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.


    Damn jet lag. Looks like it was Sept 2019 and CVX:

    “ Very small if at all: yesterday’s high was only 124.18 and that happened in
    the last 20 minutes of the Market’s hours. That makes your theoretical max
    only 124.18/124 = a +0.145% gain ... before trading costs. “

    and:

    “i was merely noting that his claim wasn’t literally impossible.
    And from even the literary best case, his maximum gain potential
    of ~$27 ($26.10, actually) from $25K wasn’t anything to crow about.

    I doubt he covered his fees on both ends; given his readiness to be dishonest
    I doubt he made any gain at all.

    Fidelity’s published fee is US$4.95 per fee. Times two trades is $9.90. This
    means that Tom’s theoretical max gain on his claim was actually $26.10, which
    is less than the $27 that I said “less than” on. I didn’t round the trade fees off
    to $10 this time, but I will do so in the future. ”

    Oh, and Tommy’s ALXN was mentioned in that thread too.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/A_zdeUs2AwAJ>
    Missed one other one on CVX:

    “Similarly, to have made a $1,000+ gain would have required
    5611+ shares, requiring no less than ~$673,325 in capital.”

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/XfGNsaS_AQAJ>

    Backing that out to just the “$250K” claim Tommy makes above, that amount invested in CVX in this past trade would have returned roughly
    all of a +$370 gain (+0.15%) on his speculative gamble…and a much
    bigger loss if he had waited one more day that week before bailing out.

    Plus the irony is that CVX is since up for investors: $183 (+27%)

    -hh

    LOL! Let's just wait until the Republicans hold hearings on this - which won't be very far in the future, say a month.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 04:47:54 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:05:12 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:41:59 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 2:15:08 AM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 5:01:14 PM UTC+1, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 7:34:44 AM UTC+1, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 24, 2022 at 12:32:00 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:06:23 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:03:43 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 11:22:34 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Gosh, May to November: took just six months for Tommy to come up with a comeback...
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 12:19:13 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 3:05:20 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    Found this while searching for something else...
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 6:13:01 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:27:19 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 6:29:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    ...
    But they're an EV company, right? So are you still saying "all EVs suck",
    or are you simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound?

    Commit to your position Tommy.

    The company in the original post, GOEV, is down FORTY-ONE PERCENT!
    Which of these dogs did YOU invest in?

    How did ARNA do in 2021? /s

    FYI, I'll bet you $100 right now that ARNA's stock price won't drop by
    more than this -41% in 2022 that you're crowing about ... care to seal
    that offer in welch-proof terms? Or are you going to run for the hills (again)?

    The Lyin' Asshole omits the fact that I was VERY SPECIFIC about the EV companies
    that suck, which they DEFINITELY DO!

    So what? As was noted above: "many startups fail", which everyone already knows.
    ...
    Meantime, Tommy dodges & runs on an ARNA wager offer...
    Although Tommy did also invoke his old favorite of TQQQ.

    So then...a look back:

    11 Jan 2022:
    ARNA: $93.25
    TQQQ: $75.48

    7 May 2022 (today):
    ARNA: $100 (+7%)
    TQQQ: $36.41 (-52%)


    So it sounds like you FUCKED UP your vaunted exit strategy, Lyin' Asshole.

    On the contrary, for I made money on what I noted was quite speculative.
    As I said way back, the Institutionals were investing in it and it wasn't
    quite clear to me as to just why, but I was willing to give it a shot.

    The [ARNA] buyout occurred prior to my deadline, which works out just fine.
    Of course, there will be taxes to pay, but it will be at the lower Long Term
    Capital Gains rate, as it wasn't your style of short term daytrading...that
    effectively nets another +10% margin or so.

    Of course since it was a windfall on discretionary funds, the next question is
    if to hoard or splurge ... thinking the latter. Perhaps a short notice holiday;
    maybe with seats in First Class...sound reasonable?


    At least ONE of these scammers has been brought to justice: Trevor Milton,
    whose company Nikola built a phony truck with no motor that they notoriously
    filmed in motion by letting it roll down a hill. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/14/1129248846/nikola-founder-electric-trucks-guilty-fraud
    Nikola stock hit a high of $94 - it is now trading for $2.

    And does finding *one* scam artist prove "all EVs suck"? Or are you *still*
    simply trying to make "water is wet" sound new & profound? FYI, that early ARNA windfall paid for a nice trip to the Caribbean, as we had found
    First Class seats on sale. And sure, "pics or it didn't happen", so here's a few:

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/>

    FWIW, I'm going to have to hit my reference books to find just which type of
    blenny this fish is...think its a "redlip":

    <http://huntzinger.com/photo/2022/brac/20220601-9830.jpeg>

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, by my count I have produced FIVE, but who's counting?

    Five ... what? Five fish? Five EVs?

    LOL! You just proved that you can't count to FIVE!!
    The quantity wasn’t the question, but what it was being counted.
    Pretty sure you got all excited again and replied to the wrong post.

    Nope. You have.
    Sure about that? Because the subject had moved on, twice, first to EVs and then to fish. So if you’re referring back to trades again, and ones
    that you announced buys & sells in advance, you need to be clear, as well as provide substantiation.
    BTW, I have in the past shown trades that would have yielded TENS OF THOUSANDS
    in profits, but you libtards were too smart to take advantage of them. Oh well....

    Not in advance you didn't.

    Plus some of your brags had such low margin that to make your claim needed ~$250K trades.

    No Lyin' Asshole - go back and review them.
    The one I was referring to was where you did assert properly in advance
    (or close enough) on both ends, but the prices were such that you were boxed
    in such that your max possible profit for those trade days meant you could
    only make IIRC $26 per $10K.
    Besides, us multimillionaires don't regard $250k as all that much.
    Multimillionaires aren’t terrified of risking $100, but you’ve run away from that
    on multiple opportunities.
    Sure, TQQQ last year was an exception, but you never called the top (exit) on it, and despite
    how you've claimed TQQQ is "something more stable". it is now down -73% YTD. Oops.

    Oh, YES I DID! You asked and I delivered.

    Nope. You only posted some hypotheticals. Now you did claim a sell of TQQQ & PONAX,
    but not proactively, nor in advance, nor either one’s specific buy/sell dates. As was noted,
    it’s the first time that you’ve missed an opportunity to brag about yourself.


    Damn jet lag. Looks like it was Sept 2019 and CVX:

    “ Very small if at all: yesterday’s high was only 124.18 and that happened in
    the last 20 minutes of the Market’s hours. That makes your theoretical max
    only 124.18/124 = a +0.145% gain ... before trading costs. “

    and:

    “i was merely noting that his claim wasn’t literally impossible.
    And from even the literary best case, his maximum gain potential
    of ~$27 ($26.10, actually) from $25K wasn’t anything to crow about.

    I doubt he covered his fees on both ends; given his readiness to be dishonest
    I doubt he made any gain at all.

    Fidelity’s published fee is US$4.95 per fee. Times two trades is $9.90. This
    means that Tom’s theoretical max gain on his claim was actually $26.10, which
    is less than the $27 that I said “less than” on. I didn’t round the trade fees off
    to $10 this time, but I will do so in the future. ”

    Oh, and Tommy’s ALXN was mentioned in that thread too.

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/A_zdeUs2AwAJ>
    Missed one other one on CVX:

    “Similarly, to have made a $1,000+ gain would have required
    5611+ shares, requiring no less than ~$673,325 in capital.”

    < https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/9A3D2vUgI7s/m/XfGNsaS_AQAJ>

    Backing that out to just the “$250K” claim Tommy makes above, that amount invested in CVX in this past trade would have returned roughly
    all of a +$370 gain (+0.15%) on his speculative gamble…and a much
    bigger loss if he had waited one more day that week before bailing out.

    Plus the irony is that CVX is since up for investors: $183 (+27%)

    -hh

    LOL! Let's just wait until the Republicans hold hearings on this - which won't
    be very far in the future, say a month.

    Why would the GOP hold hearings on Chevron? Big oil are buddies with the GOP. Or did Chevron not provide big enough campaign contributions to the GOP this year?


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 04:43:25 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part.

    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!

    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.


    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!

    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?

    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours. Cry harder.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 15:04:24 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?” - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed. Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 15:15:24 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Then why can’t you bring yourself to answer the very simple question posed?

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”


    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed.
    Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

    Nope. Since you didn’t respond, no one else needs to either.

    -hh

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    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 15:18:17 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice. >>>>
    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Then why can’t you bring yourself to answer the very simple question posed? “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”

    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed.
    Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

    Nope. Since you didn’t respond, no one else needs to either.

    -hh

    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price,
    but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the
    advice he got…

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 15:43:38 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:18:19 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice. >>>>
    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in
    the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Then why can’t you bring yourself to answer the very simple question posed?
    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”

    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed.
    Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

    Nope. Since you didn’t respond, no one else needs to either.

    -hh
    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price, but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the advice he got…

    -hh

    Like I said, I don't care if it goes lower because I know the market WILL recover in the long term. I didn't buy a large amount, and will dollar-cost average into it over the next several months as I think the market is going thru a bottoming process.
    Sounds like you have an outstanding limit order, too, so you must be thinking the same thing.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 15:58:19 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote:
    No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?”

    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?” - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.


    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?

    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned, which lost money while the market was going UP.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 16:07:50 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:43:39 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:18:19 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!

    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.

    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh

    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in
    the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Then why can’t you bring yourself to answer the very simple question posed?
    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”

    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed.
    Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

    Nope. Since you didn’t respond, no one else needs to either.

    -hh

    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price, but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the advice he got…


    Like I said, I don't care if it goes lower because I know the market WILL recover in the long term.

    When one has a sufficiently long horizon, of course…but there are market indexes
    which have been underwater for 30+ years: will the recovery be in your lifetime?

    I didn't buy a large amount, and will dollar-cost average into it over the next
    several months as I think the market is going thru a bottoming process. Sounds like you have an outstanding limit order, too, so you must be thinking
    the same thing.

    Question is what the limit was set at, for if you jumped in early on a bear market rally.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 16:10:57 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.

    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?

    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you
    duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.


    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned, which lost money while the market was going UP.

    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 17:27:52 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice. >>>>
    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned, which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh

    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check, my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was brought to justice.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 17:44:30 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice. >>>>
    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned,
    which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh
    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check, my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was brought to justice.

    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post, they lost
    ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten) dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 15 19:36:26 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you
    duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned,
    which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh
    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check,
    my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was
    brought to justice.
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten) dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.


    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point, you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Dec 15 21:18:30 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you
    duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned,
    which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh
    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check,
    my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was
    brought to justice.
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten) dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.
    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!
    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point, you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    -hh

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!! Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 16 04:56:01 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.

    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.

    Still.

    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!

    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s

    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!

    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh


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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Dec 16 11:09:26 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 16 11:11:12 2022
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a >>>> deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.” >>>>
    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought >>>>> these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT! >>>>
    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!

    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Dec 16 11:14:22 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you
    duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned,
    which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh
    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check,
    my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was
    brought to justice.
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten) dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.
    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    Dude, Trevor Milton WAS convicted of fraud, and the others MAY have committed fraud and probably did.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 16 11:19:28 2022
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.” >>>>>>
    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought >>>>>>> these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT! >>>>>>
    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.

    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are working.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Dec 16 11:15:40 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.” >>>>
    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought >>>>> these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT! >>>>
    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Dec 16 14:13:07 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 16 14:41:09 2022
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.” >>>>>>>>
    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT! >>>>>>>>
    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are
    working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.

    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Dec 16 14:18:06 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:44:32 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering.

    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread.

    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine.

    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice".

    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>
    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    I NEVER said that "all EV's suck," just the Tesla wannabe's.
    Incorrect: you didn’t make that differentiation until now.
    Checking the archives, you never answered this.

    So what?
    It illustrates how you try to make sweeping generalizations, but then you
    duck and run when you’re asked if it really was as sweepingly broad or not.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.

    Cry harder.


    That was off topic and had NOTHING to do with the EV companies mentioned,
    which lost money while the market was going UP.
    Okay, so you’ve now admitted that you attempted a diversion. So noted!

    -hh
    No, it is you libtards that are trying to divert the subject. If you go back and check, my recent post was about the fraudster, Trevor Milton, an EV scammer who was brought to justice.
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post, they lost
    ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten) dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    XL Fleet got delisted from the NYSE about 6 months after my original post because its stock price was too low:
    https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SPRUCE-POWER-HOLDING-CORP-65220663/news/XL-FLEET-CORP-Notice-of-Delisting-or-Failure-to-Satisfy-a-Continued-Listing-Rule-or-Standard-Tra-42063462/
    So, any libtard sucker that owned it then would have been well-served by selling.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Dec 17 22:26:40 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are >> working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Dec 17 23:03:03 2022
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are >>>> working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.

    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Dec 19 00:00:10 2022
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done.


    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are
    working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.
    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

    Well, it DOES, but you are TOO DUMB to see it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Dec 19 01:19:08 2022
    On 2022-12-19 00:00, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done. >>>>>>>>>>

    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are >>>>>> working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.
    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

    Well, it DOES, but you are TOO DUMB to see it.

    And still you cannot produce the actual quote!

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  • From m syadoz@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Dec 20 10:11:45 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:04:25 PM UTC-6, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:16:38 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:55:15 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:43:29 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:00:01 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-11 23:38, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:41:52 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-09 17:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 5:18:33 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-09 14:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-07 18:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-06 13:36, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:09:19 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-05 21:39, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:11:07 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-04 20:07, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:46:45 PM UTC-8, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:13:07 PM UTC-5, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2022-12-03 05:58, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Lyin' Asshole, I told you to buy TQQQ and hold
    it.
    And when was that statement made? Got cite with the
    date?

    ALL you had to do was sell it AFTER you had made a
    50% profit. THAT'S IT!!!!
    And when did you say “sell after +50%”? Got cite?

    In the meantime, you’ve dodged here the looking forward
    question:

    “And sure, we can assure ourselves with the old
    platitude that the Markets will “eventually” come back
    (side-eye at Japan, clutching pearls) but the question
    is one of time and if the investor will live long
    enough to see it, especially for those in their fiscal
    de-accumulation life phase & already at their Actuarial
    lifespan age. Thus, an good investor would know what
    the historical recovery timeframes have been and have
    an inkling for what it is likely to be this time … so
    then, do you have one, Tommy?” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    So then Tommy: you’ve been asked before when QT and Fed
    rate hikes are going to end to invoke a buy-in at
    bottom window, but you’ve dodged answering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Likewise, you’ve not said what your time horizon
    expectation is for when even just TQQQ will return to
    its 2021 year end price.

    You’re 0 for 2 just on this part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Is it really only 0 for 2?

    :-)
    The “0 for 2” is just within this subthread. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    -hh

    As judged by the LYIN' ASSHOLE - ask me if I am impressed!
    You're definitely butt-hurt as well, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    And I LOVE that!

    :-)

    Let me give you a carefully judged piece of advice, Alan: you are
    a LOSER!
    Sunshine, let me give you a an actual piece of information:

    Calling someone "a LOSER" is not a "piece of advice". >>>>>>>>>
    Oh, YES IT IS! A normal person would take this time for
    self-reflection and make an honest effort to reverse this decline
    into oblivion.
    Let me give you a piece of advice:

    You should invest in a DICTIONARY, Sunshine.

    'ad·vice | ədˈvīs |

    noun

    1 guidance or recommendations offered with regard to prudent future action'

    :-)

    Hey Fool, your reply is a non-sequitur (look it up), which is not surprising coming from a loser.
    Nope, Sunshine.

    It was precisely on point to refute your claim that an insult is "advice".

    So I guess "non sequitur" (note the correct omission of the "-") is
    another term you need to look up (and learn how to spell correctly).

    :-)

    Sorry dude, but you just DON'T GET IT. Tell me, what accomplishment in life are you MOST proud of?
    I get it fine, Sunshine.

    You think that insulting people is giving them advice.

    It's not.

    Okay, Fool, got it - there is NOTHING that you have done with your life that you are proud of!
    Me not answering your deflections doesn't say anything about anything,
    Sunshine.

    You didn't give me any advice.

    Deal with it.

    Right - you have NOTHING that you have done in your life that you are proud of. Got it.

    Nope. That is not a conclusion you can draw from my utter lack of
    interest in explaining my life to you.

    What's blatantly obvious by how Tommy shifting the conversation is that it was really nothing
    more than a classical setup attempt, because the answer to that question is always "family".

    I can only conclude that you are one of those "stupid libtards" that invested in one of those scam EV companies.

    I can only conclude that you have a learning disability as you still
    don't know what "advice" is.

    Ironically, since the new EVs are more often listed on the NASDAQ, the implications of who the
    biggest braggart of investing in 'scam' EV companies on RSG is ... why gosh, it is Tommy, due
    to him investing with an index thereof (TQQQ),

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, I pose the same question to YOU, and you can answer any way you wish.
    Already have answered, because I recognized the question as a rhetorical trap.
    Hardly. It is a STRAIGHT-UP question.
    Maybe it is your family, or maybe it is that you invented a new type of ice cream - that is up to you.
    Maybe Tommy doesn't have a Need to Know. In the meantime, I notice that Tommy's not answered
    his own question, so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?
    A fish counter?

    HA HA HA HA! The libtard shows his TRUE COLORS - denigrating the achievements of others
    to make his meager accomplishments look more impressive!!
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others answer
    this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Investing in an index means investing in some dogs, even if the amount is minuscule.

    Yet you're still putting money into a market segment that you're disabusing.

    The advantage is that you can get 3x leverage that isn't easily available with individual stocks.
    TQQQ uses derivatives of QQQ; if you look at the top 103 holdings in QQQ none of these EV
    companies even show up. The smallest percentage of these 103 is 0.08%, so these EV dogs
    are quite a bit less than that - irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    That's an odd claim, because TSLA is an EV company, and TSLA is listed as #7 on the NASDAQ 100,
    with a weight of 3.153

    That 3.153% is a mere 40x larger than what you're trying to ask for is to ignore as irrelevant/noise.
    Even on just a $5,000 lot, its fraction is more than some of the wager offers you've run away from here.

    And sure, you're talking about the %'s in Investco Funds, not the NASDAQ Index itself, as a Fund can
    mismatch the Index it claims to be tracking. Checking, QQQ has TSLA at 2.76% and TQQQ is at 1.60%.

    Some of that % mismatch is likely because rebalancing schedules vs how TSLA has fallen much more
    than the NASDAQ this year (TSLA has tanked by a mere 60%) ... what's your "3x Leverage" effect from that?

    LOL! Tesla WAS NOT one of the FIVE that I clearly listed as suckering in libtards - and
    YOU KNOW IT, so this is typical libtard setup. STICK TO THE FUCKING SUBJECT, moron!!
    I am sticking to the subject, with a memory better than yours:

    “FYI, if his claim is that all EV’s suck… as opposed to simply noting than
    many startups fail … then why didn’t [Tommy] forget to mention TSLA?”
    - this thread, 31 Dec 2021

    Checking the archives, you never answered this.
    Well, simply put, the YTD on TQQQ is -73.9%

    And WHAT do you WANT to do, buy HIGH and sell LOW or buy LOW and sell HIGH?
    Nope: it is simply another retrospective observation, equally valid as yours.
    Cry harder.

    -hh
    You fucking libtards are even MORE dense than I thought. Tesla WAS NOT in the article that I so generously posted for you cheap libtards. PERIOD!

    Homework assignment: list ALL of the companies that WERE listed. Don't respond UNTIL you have completed this simple assignment.

    Racers, mechanics, tinkerers converting classic cars to EVs

    https://apnews.com/article/technology-canada-business-denver-9f9694650c23036ed3ee2e7c917d8e22

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Dec 23 22:45:10 2022
    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:19:11 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-19 00:00, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done. >>>>>>>>>>

    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are
    working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.
    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

    Well, it DOES, but you are TOO DUMB to see it.
    And still you cannot produce the actual quote!

    Just ADMIT that you are TOO DUMB to see it and I will produce it, gleefully!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Dec 24 00:17:05 2022
    On 2022-12-23 22:45, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:19:11 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-19 00:00, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on.
    Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done. >>>>>>>>>>>>

    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are
    working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.
    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

    Well, it DOES, but you are TOO DUMB to see it.
    And still you cannot produce the actual quote!

    Just ADMIT that you are TOO DUMB to see it and I will produce it, gleefully!

    Just admit you can't produce it.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Dec 24 05:19:37 2022
    On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:17:08 AM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-23 22:45, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 1:19:11 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-19 00:00, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-17 22:26, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 2:41:12 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-12-16 14:13, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:19:31 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-16 11:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:11:14 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-16 11:09, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 4:56:03 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:18:32 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:36:27 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 5:27:54 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:10:58 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [etc]
    Nah. Just a dollop of sarcasm, since you’ve tried to demand that others
    answer this question while you’ve not done so yourself:

    “… so the turnabout is after family, what's Tommy's biggest life accomplishment?”

    Second request.
    Gosh, amazing how Tommy "missed" that again.

    [...]
    And, back to the original subject, only TWO of the original FOUR companies are
    still listed, GOEV and RIDE. These two had lost 66% and 59% of their value from
    their 52-week highs, respectively AT THE TIME OF THE POST. Following that post,
    they lost ANOTHER 85% and 89%. RMO was bought out for pennies on the (ten)
    dollar by EV truck maker Nikola. XL Fleet still is in business but is not listed.

    So? You were advised of that possibility:

    “ Market Investments invariably incur a risk, which can include a 100% loss of
    one's investments. In addition to the normal risks of new start-ups and the like,
    there's also the risks of an unscrupulous offer which was intended to be a
    deliberate scam - aka fraud.

    When you made your claim, you've taken both possibilities and lumped it into
    only the latter.

    The burden is now upon you to actually substantiate that each one of the instances
    that you cited actually was a case of a deliberate fraud, as opposed to just being a
    speculative investment which wasn't fiscally successful. Good luck.”

    That’s what you’ve still failed to deliver on. >>>>>>>>>>>> Still.
    So, if any of you libtards thought you were smarter than me and bought
    these dogs your investment is, for all practical purposes, WIPED OUT!

    OTOH, the latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Case in point,
    you’ve not even shown that you’re able to read a prospectus.

    LOL! The Lyin' Asshole is up to his OLD TRICKS!!
    Ah, yes, those "tricks", namely that to be an actual investor means to go do one's homework
    instead of gambling based on a gut hunch... /s
    Go back to my recent posts and find a fact that can ONLY be found in a prospectus - and REPORT BACK!!!
    You've not posted any quoted text from a prospectus. Done. >>>>>>>>>>>>

    -hh

    Sorry, dude, but I DID post a FACT, not a quote, from a prospectus, so you are NOT DONE!
    What "FACT" did you post, Sunshine?

    :-)

    Go see if you can find it - it is VERY obvious.
    See if you can just type it again - it's "VERY obvious" your fingers are
    working.

    No - let's see if you're SMART enough to find it.
    So you can't provide it.

    Gotcha.

    :-)

    So you are NOT smart enough to find it. Got it.
    It doesn't exist.

    If it did, you'd already be rubbing it in my face.

    Well, it DOES, but you are TOO DUMB to see it.
    And still you cannot produce the actual quote!

    Just ADMIT that you are TOO DUMB to see it and I will produce it, gleefully!
    Just admit you can't produce it.

    Oh, here it is .. for those who bought before 11 Jan 2022:

    INTC: $26.09 USD .. YTD: -$27.12 (-50.97%)*
    (-52.74% if one purchased at $55.21 on 10 Jan)

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/JrPM7cEwZzI/m/uQJqVBVNBQAJ>

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Dec 27 13:34:35 2022
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:18:19 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [...]

    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price, but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the advice he got…

    12/27/22 update: TQQQ low & close: $16.72 & $16.84

    Looks like I can expect some paperwork in the mail from a certain limit order...


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Dec 28 23:28:26 2022
    On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:34:36 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:18:19 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [...]

    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price, but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the advice he got…
    12/27/22 update: TQQQ low & close: $16.72 & $16.84

    Looks like I can expect some paperwork in the mail from a certain limit order...


    -hh

    The Lyin' Asshole is welcome to tell us EXACTLY when the market has reached its bottom, but I am not holding my breath!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 29 03:53:06 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 2:28:27 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:34:36 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:18:19 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 6:04:25 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:43:27 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    [...]

    BTW, TQQQ closed today at $19.64/share. Still hasn’t hit my order price,
    but it’s looking more likely…perhaps Tommy needs to contemplate the advice he got…

    12/27/22 update: TQQQ low & close: $16.72 & $16.84

    Looks like I can expect some paperwork in the mail from a certain limit order...


    The Lyin' Asshole is welcome to tell us EXACTLY when the market has reached its bottom,
    but I am not holding my breath!

    You've already been given that guidance on two occasions; here it is in context,
    with emphasis added:

    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too… [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime, I'm debating/researching what the next price point for TQQQ corrections could be
    for potentially another limit order...thinking maybe $14.08 - $13.92 via CTL.

    -hh

    --
    "Maybe you should listen to someone who actually is a multimillionaire, instead of someone
    who just claims to be one on the internet. /s"

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Dec 31 14:22:00 2022
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Jan 7 18:01:47 2023
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?

    -hh

    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom - I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Jan 7 20:26:33 2023
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22, which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22:

    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too… [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Jan 7 22:20:52 2023
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).
    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22:
    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too… [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>
    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?


    -hh

    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.

    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Jan 8 06:15:35 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22: [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too… [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.

    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.

    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.

    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Jan 8 17:01:54 2023
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:04:53 PM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of
    ARNA!!!!
    The ONLY "Lyin' Asshole" on this group is the one who uses the term
    most often; like the ulimate in projection.

    I note how often you avoid any direct questions and only give infantile responses, you senile old fart, Betty.

    You are always running and hiding, pussy.

    Remember, NOT investigating these issues is the same as surrendering to these libtard Dims, exactly what they want.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Jan 9 16:18:16 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22: [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    -hh

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real. I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter. The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact
    day it will bottom, but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Jan 9 19:40:08 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22: [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is
    raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected.
    [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of
    an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost
    average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER
    make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real.

    Funny how between the two of us, I’m the only one who’s actually posted any brokerage
    statements.

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact day it will bottom, …

    That’s what I said … and which you tried to dispute.

    but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then
    you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.

    Oh, so then all those nasty things you’d previously said about “catching falling knives” now no longer apply?

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Jan 10 09:16:53 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:40:10 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22: [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is
    raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected. [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of
    an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost
    average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER
    make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real.
    Funny how between the two of us, I’m the only one who’s actually posted any brokerage
    statements.
    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.
    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact day it will bottom, …

    That’s what I said … and which you tried to dispute.

    Not in those terms.

    but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.
    Oh, so then all those nasty things you’d previously said about “catching falling knives” now no longer apply?

    A market index IS NOT a "falling knife," BBBY is.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Jan 10 11:19:26 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:40:10 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22:
    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is
    raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected. [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of
    an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost
    average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER
    make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real.
    Funny how between the two of us, I’m the only one who’s actually posted any brokerage
    statements.
    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.
    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact day it will bottom, …

    That’s what I said … and which you tried to dispute.

    Not in those terms.

    But of course you didn't quote me, because you were trying to claim that you said it first.

    but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.

    Oh, so then all those nasty things you’d previously said about “catching
    falling knives” now no longer apply?

    A market index IS NOT a "falling knife," BBBY is.

    There is no requirement that the equity must be an individual stock: it is that the fund
    is rapidly falling in value (the rule of thumb is -10%).

    Case in point, back on 25 Sept 2019 you said of ARNA: "This stock qualifies for the
    "falling knife" award!!!!!" ... but why did you claim that ARNA was a dangerous "falling knife"
    from a -6% fall, while you didn't consider ALXX's -11% fall ... nor TQQQ's -25% fall in
    just 2 weeks last month (from $22 to $16.2) either. Gosh, sounds to be very inconsistent
    and situational, namely, Tommy doing a hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do".

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Jan 10 18:41:21 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:40:10 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22:
    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is
    raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected. [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of
    an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost
    average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER
    make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real.

    Funny how between the two of us, I’m the only one who’s actually posted any brokerage
    statements.

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.

    The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact day it will bottom, …

    That’s what I said … and which you tried to dispute.

    Not in those terms.
    But of course you didn't quote me, because you were trying to claim that you said it first.
    but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then
    you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.

    Oh, so then all those nasty things you’d previously said about “catching
    falling knives” now no longer apply?

    A market index IS NOT a "falling knife," BBBY is.
    There is no requirement that the equity must be an individual stock: it is that the fund
    is rapidly falling in value (the rule of thumb is -10%).

    Case in point, back on 25 Sept 2019 you said of ARNA: "This stock qualifies for the
    "falling knife" award!!!!!" ... but why did you claim that ARNA was a dangerous "falling knife"
    from a -6% fall, while you didn't consider ALXX's -11% fall ... nor TQQQ's -25% fall in
    just 2 weeks last month (from $22 to $16.2) either. Gosh, sounds to be very inconsistent
    and situational, namely, Tommy doing a hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do".

    -hh

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Jan 10 21:44:39 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:40:10 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 6:15:37 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 1:20:53 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 9:01:49 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:53:08 AM UTC-5, -hh wrote:


    Case in point, if you hadn't been so over-anxious (as you often are), you could have held off
    on your TQQQ position a little longer & now be 20% better positioned than you currently are.

    Meantime,…

    …meantime, Tommy can brag about how he made the ex-dividend date, so he just got a big
    old payment from his TQQQ. But…think it’s enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks?


    Notice that the Lyin' Asshole said NOTHING about when the market will bottom -
    I didn't expect him to (in fact I EXPECTED him to DODGE the question!).

    Except it was previously addressed in this thread nine days ago, on 29 Dec 22,
    which quoted how you were told this over a month ago, on 18 Nov 22:
    [quote]
    Note that the stock market is based on what will happen in the FUTURE, not
    current conditions, so the market will turn around BEFORE the economy does.

    Except for Black Swans/etc, of course. But your attempted point was already
    acknowledged above, “… under downward pressure so long as the Fed is
    raising interest rates.”, as this was why I flatly asked you:

    “So then: are you claiming that Fed rate hikes are already over?”

    And of course you were silent on that question. How brave of you.

    The dilemma you have is that just which hike is the “last” rate hike
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    often isn’t known when it happens, but is decided some time thereafter
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    retrospectively. That’s why investor opinions vary on if market inflection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    should be expected at {0, 3, 4, 6, etc} months prior to said “last”. Of course,
    there’s also strategies on how to address this uncertainty factor too…
    [/quote]

    <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.golf/c/_1pDlBNKtJk/m/DuyPAcdUAAAJ>

    and
    [quote]
    "... it seems evident to me that the bear market rallies which were starting to
    anticipate a bottom were premature, so we're likely in for continued Fed rate
    hikes for longer into 2023 than what the Market had expected. [/quote]

    <ibid>

    Forget this already, Tommy? Maybe you can buy *one* cup of Starbucks coffee
    from your TQQQ dividend to try to jog your memory?



    Sorry, but that stream of bullshit NEVER called a bottom. I am thinking of
    an actual date. Anybody can look back AFTER the market has bottom and call it.
    You’re merely repeating back precisely what I just told you.
    And when you claimed you weren’t already told this, lying.
    As I said, I don't know when the bottom will occur, but I can dollar cost
    average into near the bottom and do just fine on the long haul.
    Which notes that you’ve started (at TQQQ =$22/share), then you’ve committed
    to believing in a market timeline that will return to positive before you will need
    those funds. Time will tell if you moved in too early, but what’s already apparent
    is that my own positioning is at least 20% better than yours .. despite how you
    constantly try to claim that you’re the RSG financial whiz. To invoke cost averaging
    now is to try to whistle past the graveyard of your own egotistical bluster.

    Well, Lyin' Asshole, we will NEVER know what your "timeline" is because you NEVER
    make any definitive trades, hypothetical or real.

    Funny how between the two of us, I’m the only one who’s actually posted any brokerage
    statements.

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?
    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    The bottom line is nobody can pick the exact day it will bottom, …

    That’s what I said … and which you tried to dispute.

    Not in those terms.
    But of course you didn't quote me, because you were trying to claim that you said it first.
    but if you wait you will NEVER benefit from a turnaround. One proven strategy is just to dollar cost average into a major market index. Then
    you don't worry about picking a particular time to invest.

    Oh, so then all those nasty things you’d previously said about “catching
    falling knives” now no longer apply?

    A market index IS NOT a "falling knife," BBBY is.
    There is no requirement that the equity must be an individual stock: it is that the fund
    is rapidly falling in value (the rule of thumb is -10%).

    Case in point, back on 25 Sept 2019 you said of ARNA: "This stock qualifies for the
    "falling knife" award!!!!!" ... but why did you claim that ARNA was a dangerous "falling knife"
    from a -6% fall, while you didn't consider ALXX's -11% fall ... nor TQQQ's -25% fall in
    just 2 weeks last month (from $22 to $16.2) either. Gosh, sounds to be very inconsistent
    and situational, namely, Tommy doing a hypocritical "do as I say, not as I do".

    -hh
    -hh

    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu May 4 05:51:53 2023
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.

    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy
    called that one four months ago!

    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?

    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this
    week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 4 19:11:07 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh

    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out. And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction versus the Lyin' Asshole who
    only criticizes others.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu May 4 20:00:05 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh
    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out.

    False, that was already discussed & noted as not knowable in advance:
    all we have are general historical patterns as guidance.

    And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction
    ..

    Which was that the market dropped after you made your ‘now’ claim…right ?

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon May 15 12:52:27 2023
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:05:44 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 8:00:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22) gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy
    called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh
    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out.
    False, that was already discussed & noted as not knowable in advance:
    all we have are general historical patterns as guidance.
    And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction
    ..

    Which was that the market dropped after you made your ‘now’ claim…right ?


    Translation: "I don't know SHIT!"

    Oh, we’ve known for quite awhile that you don’t know shit, Tommy.

    I, OTOH, have consistently maintained that, since you can't pick the bottom, to dollar cost average into the market.

    Nothing wrong with DCA in principle, but that isn’t disputing what was said.

    Point being that you’ve already “called bottom”.

    In the meantime…

    < https://www.marketwatch.com/story/short-sellers-are-more-bearish-than-theyve-been-in-a-long-time-79d7c416>

    …shorts are approaching what they were in Fall 2007 & March 2020. As such, history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still
    feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV companies are going to fail?

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri May 19 23:22:03 2023
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:05:44 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 8:00:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22) gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy
    called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this
    week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh
    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out.
    False, that was already discussed & noted as not knowable in advance: all we have are general historical patterns as guidance.
    And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction
    ..

    Which was that the market dropped after you made your ‘now’ claim…right ?


    Translation: "I don't know SHIT!"
    Oh, we’ve known for quite awhile that you don’t know shit, Tommy.
    I, OTOH, have consistently maintained that, since you can't pick the bottom,
    to dollar cost average into the market.
    Nothing wrong with DCA in principle, but that isn’t disputing what was said.

    Point being that you’ve already “called bottom”.

    In the meantime…

    < https://www.marketwatch.com/story/short-sellers-are-more-bearish-than-theyve-been-in-a-long-time-79d7c416>

    …shorts are approaching what they were in Fall 2007 & March 2020. As such, history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still
    feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of
    dollars that you libtards blew.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri May 19 23:39:33 2023
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your
    phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL
    took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these
    small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.


    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes
    down, right Sunshine?

    Startups fail.

    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat May 20 06:01:52 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your
    phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL
    took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these
    small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.


    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad
    and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some
    other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat May 20 12:49:36 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-20 12:21, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:39:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020
    was -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four
    months ago, especially since that was before, not after, not
    one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to
    shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is
    your phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they
    ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't
    just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of
    415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS
    of dollars that you libtards blew.
    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price
    goes down, right Sunshine?

    You get it that ANYONE who bought at those stratospheric prices LOST
    A LOT of money, don't you Fool? And most of those were stupid
    libtards who think EVs are God's solution to everything.
    Yup.

    I also get that the companies involved didn't "take" anything.


    Startups fail.

    DUH! Try telling us something insightful.


    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    Well, YES IT DOES, Fool.
    Nope.


    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    More WHATABOUTISM by the Fool.
    It's called "analogy".

    You should look it up.

    No, YOU should look up "WHATABOUTISM." I am talking about Woke Stupidity, and you are the poster child for it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat May 20 12:23:07 2023
    On 2023-05-20 12:21, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:39:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020
    was -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four
    months ago, especially since that was before, not after, not
    one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to
    shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is
    your phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they
    ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't
    just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of
    415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS
    of dollars that you libtards blew.
    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price
    goes down, right Sunshine?

    You get it that ANYONE who bought at those stratospheric prices LOST
    A LOT of money, don't you Fool? And most of those were stupid
    libtards who think EVs are God's solution to everything.

    Yup.

    I also get that the companies involved didn't "take" anything.



    Startups fail.

    DUH! Try telling us something insightful.


    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    Well, YES IT DOES, Fool.

    Nope.



    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    More WHATABOUTISM by the Fool.

    It's called "analogy".

    You should look it up.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat May 20 12:47:26 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony trade.
    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL
    took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?
    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.
    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.
    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad
    and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some
    other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.
    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?
    None, of course! /s

    -hh

    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole. The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't understand business or technology and are only motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world. These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced. All that you two are
    trying to do is to deflect from this truism.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat May 20 12:21:45 2023
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:39:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your
    phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL
    took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these
    small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.
    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    You get it that ANYONE who bought at those stratospheric prices LOST A LOT of money, don't you Fool? And most of those were stupid libtards who think EVs are God's solution to everything.


    Startups fail.

    DUH! Try telling us something insightful.


    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    Well, YES IT DOES, Fool.


    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    More WHATABOUTISM by the Fool.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat May 20 13:15:54 2023
    On 2023-05-20 12:49, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-20 12:21, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:39:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020
    was -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four
    months ago, especially since that was before, not after, not
    one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to
    shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV >>>>>> companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has
    occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is
    your phony trade.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they
    ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't
    just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of
    415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS
    of dollars that you libtards blew.
    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price
    goes down, right Sunshine?

    You get it that ANYONE who bought at those stratospheric prices LOST
    A LOT of money, don't you Fool? And most of those were stupid
    libtards who think EVs are God's solution to everything.
    Yup.

    I also get that the companies involved didn't "take" anything.


    Startups fail.

    DUH! Try telling us something insightful.


    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    Well, YES IT DOES, Fool.
    Nope.


    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    More WHATABOUTISM by the Fool.
    It's called "analogy".

    You should look it up.

    No, YOU should look up "WHATABOUTISM." I am talking about Woke Stupidity, and you are the poster child for it.


    You're trying to make the case that because some startups fail, it
    perforce means the industry in which they operated is flawed.

    And it's just not true.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat May 20 13:58:05 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, >> especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew
    that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad
    and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC companies which
    have failed…but that was also tagged as sarcasm.


    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't understand
    business or technology and are only motivated by their FALSE WOKE
    view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off circulation to your brain.

    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?

    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the relevance?

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun May 21 21:14:00 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was >> -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, >> especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but >> three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut >>> down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV >> companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.
    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes
    down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad
    and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.
    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as sarcasm.
    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't understand business or technology and are only motivated by their FALSE WOKE
    view of the world.
    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you forced to revise?
    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.
    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off circulation to your brain.

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO comparison at all to the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up these EV companies because they thought these would be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.

    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. What's your slogan Make America Stupid Again (MASA)?

    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this truism.
    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY
    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a stupid libtard.


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun May 21 21:24:26 2023
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:05:44 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 8:00:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22) gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy
    called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this
    week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh
    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out.
    False, that was already discussed & noted as not knowable in advance: all we have are general historical patterns as guidance.
    And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction
    ..

    Which was that the market dropped after you made your ‘now’ claim…right ?


    Translation: "I don't know SHIT!"
    Oh, we’ve known for quite awhile that you don’t know shit, Tommy.
    I, OTOH, have consistently maintained that, since you can't pick the bottom,
    to dollar cost average into the market.
    Nothing wrong with DCA in principle, but that isn’t disputing what was said.

    Point being that you’ve already “called bottom”.

    In the meantime…

    < https://www.marketwatch.com/story/short-sellers-are-more-bearish-than-theyve-been-in-a-long-time-79d7c416>

    …shorts are approaching what they were in Fall 2007 & March 2020. As such, history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still
    feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    LOL!

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your homework assignment is to find out HOW MANY of all of the ICE car companies survived (you can also include steam and battery powered companies as well).

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon May 22 05:32:45 2023
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut >>> down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your
    phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!

    Still.

    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these
    small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes
    down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't understand business or technology and are only motivated by their FALSE WOKE
    view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up these EV companies
    because they thought these would be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.

    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs ever, because they
    believed that IT was the future? Pull my other leg.


    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much instead of not enough.

    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?

    Silence from Tommy.

    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a stupid libtard.

    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain the relevance.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon May 22 05:26:33 2023
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:24:27 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 12:52:29 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:05:44 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 8:00:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 9:11:08 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 5:51:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 12:44:40 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:41:22 PM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:19:28 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 12:16:55 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:

    I am saying that the market is going thru a bottoming process this quarter.

    Oh, so then a glacially slow recovery afterwards, because you did say it would take
    up to three (3) years for Markets to return to its prior level….right?

    Oh, look what Tommy “missed” clarifying.

    Plus there’s also this:

    “Top Chicago Economists Expect Interest Rates to Peak Around 5.5%
    * Fed will keep rates higher for longer to control inflation
    * Loss of credibility in the 1970s led to double-digit rates”

    < https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/top-chicago-economists-expect-interest-rates-to-peak-around-5-5>

    For point of clarification, if the Fed sticks to 50 basis points per hike
    announcement, the two meetings in 1Q23 (Jan 31-Feb 1; Mar 21-22)
    gets from 4.3% to 5.3%, so this expectation of 5.5% requires at least one
    more hike in May 2-3, which is unequivocally well into 2Q23, particularly
    with this statement of “higher for longer” for credibility. Time will tell,
    including when the Market believes the hikes are really ending, to bottom.
    And in this past week’s meeting, another 0.25% quarter point rate hike by
    the Federal Reserve.. gosh, it’s almost as if someone not named Tommy
    called that one four months ago!
    Sounds like MORE bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole in place of answering
    the question: WHEN will the market bottom (i.e. a date)?
    Since conventional wisdom is +N months after the last rate hike, this
    week’s rate hike indicates “not yet”. So much for Tommy’s “bottoming out”
    in 1Q claim from January … while my 3Q, maybe 4Q is still holding.

    -hh
    LOL! Note: you STILL didn't answer the question: WHEN will the market bottom out.
    False, that was already discussed & noted as not knowable in advance: all we have are general historical patterns as guidance.
    And unless the market drops significantly below the Q1 lows, then my prediction is accurate. Let it be known that I actually made a prediction
    ..

    Which was that the market dropped after you made your ‘now’ claim…right ?


    Translation: "I don't know SHIT!"
    Oh, we’ve known for quite awhile that you don’t know shit, Tommy.
    I, OTOH, have consistently maintained that, since you can't pick the bottom,
    to dollar cost average into the market.
    Nothing wrong with DCA in principle, but that isn’t disputing what was said.

    Point being that you’ve already “called bottom”.

    In the meantime…

    < https://www.marketwatch.com/story/short-sellers-are-more-bearish-than-theyve-been-in-a-long-time-79d7c416>

    …shorts are approaching what they were in Fall 2007 & March 2020. As such,
    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still
    feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three additional Fed interest rate hikes?
    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:
    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV companies are going to fail?

    -hh

    LOL!

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your homework assignment is to find out HOW MANY of all of the ICE car companies survived (you can also include steam and battery powered companies as well).

    Well domestically, the survivors are basically Ford, GM, & Stellantis (Chrysler), as
    the last ~1% of the market is split between ~four score of bespoke little shops:

    < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States>

    And for those that didn’t make it … it’s a pretty damn long list:

    < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States>

    Parametrically, I’d say it’s roughly ~2,000 companies. Depending on how you
    want to count, it suggests a corporate failure rate of between 90% to 99%

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Jun 2 17:56:28 2023
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely (and 2020 was
    -30%). Still feeling confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after, not one, not two, but
    three additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is about to shut
    down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” that all EV
    companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ - all you have is your
    phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post - they ALL
    took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just these
    small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is
    down from 25 to 11. This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the stock price goes
    down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail.
    It says nothing about the underlying technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite already demonstrating some
    other advantages over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less breakdowns as ADAC
    pegs low-voltage batteries a weak point”

    < https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>

    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC companies which
    have failed…but that was also tagged as sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't understand business or technology and are only motivated by their FALSE WOKE
    view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up these EV companies
    because they thought these would be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs ever, because they
    believed that IT was the future? Pull my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates ~2x of today, yet
    you’re still whining about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In
    that 10 years it had to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less than $50/yr.

    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited
    they watched the Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They called Tesla roadside
    service and found that they would have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They had to call
    relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Jun 2 18:15:00 2023
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the
    bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof”
    that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER
    it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever
    provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post
    - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you.
    And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to
    177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11.
    This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards
    blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you
    forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next
    Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates
    ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a
    stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain
    the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for
    10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an
    appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair
    costs was less than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.


    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back
    (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the
    Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this
    battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!!
    And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the
    road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jun 3 03:20:33 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the
    bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof”
    that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER
    it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever
    provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post
    - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you.
    And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to
    177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11.
    This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards
    blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you
    forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next
    Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates
    ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a
    stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain
    the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for
    10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair
    costs was less than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.

    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.


    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back
    (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!!
    And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the
    road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...

    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>

    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away from some of the
    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already fielded), plus there's
    been at least a ~decade of 'regular' automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jun 3 18:24:37 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 6:15:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the
    bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof”
    that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER
    it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever
    provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post
    - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you.
    And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to
    177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11.
    This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards
    blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you
    forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next
    Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates
    ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a
    stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain
    the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for
    10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair
    costs was less than $50/yr.
    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.

    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back
    (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!!
    And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the
    road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.
    Funny you don't produce any references...

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

    Hey Fool, LOOK IT UP!!!!!! Are you FUCKING IGNORANT???????????????????????

    Apparently so, since you haven't heard of it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Jun 3 20:04:10 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>> On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the
    bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof”
    that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER
    it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever >>>>>> provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post
    - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you.
    And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to
    177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11.
    This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards
    blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you
    forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next
    Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates
    ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a
    stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain >> the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for
    10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.
    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>

    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away from some of the
    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already fielded), plus there's
    been at least a ~decade of 'regular' automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance, as I detailed in this incident). This is typical of our educational system
    today - no practical application content. In grade school I had two years of shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to:
    1. Metal working
    2. Welding
    3. Automotive
    4. Pattern making (do you even know what a pattern is?)
    5. Foundry
    6. Electrical
    I spent my last two years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a graduate degree). Now, I am
    comfortable troubleshooting all of the systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because the reliability
    is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a Tesla there IS NO spare tire!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Jun 3 23:13:11 2023
    On 2023-06-03 20:04, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is
    likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling
    confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after,
    not one, not two, but three additional Fed
    interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn
    (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your
    “proof” that all EV companies are going to
    fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But
    you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the
    bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30%
    gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony
    trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy
    has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that
    original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from
    stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just
    these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a
    high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This
    is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when
    the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that
    all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace…
    despite already demonstrating some other advantages
    over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>






    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and
    gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only
    motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise
    are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has
    cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS
    NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying
    up these EV companies because they thought these would
    be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in
    PCs ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull
    my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the
    post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal
    income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining
    about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from
    this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain
    it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually
    explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low
    maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is
    vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250
    Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for
    a new one. In that 10 years it had to go into the shop once
    (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair
    cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less
    than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs
    just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.
    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that
    drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting.
    They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty
    of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While
    they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then,
    everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have
    a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you
    can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They
    called Tesla roadside service and found that they would have to
    wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a
    150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it
    back. They had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs)
    to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA
    would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't
    mean EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay
    for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>



    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away
    from some of the

    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already
    fielded), plus there's been at least a ~decade of 'regular'
    automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD
    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,

    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting
    skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    IOW, RTFM.

    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school
    in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know
    what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to
    college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!

    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Jun 3 23:09:54 2023
    On 2023-06-03 18:24, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 6:15:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the
    bottom was four months ago, especially since that was
    before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof”
    that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER
    it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever >>>>>>>> provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post
    - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you.
    And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to
    177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11.
    This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards
    blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on
    to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you
    forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next
    Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates
    ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a
    stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain
    the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for
    10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an
    appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair
    costs was less than $50/yr.
    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.

    Ignored, huh?


    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back
    (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the
    Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this
    battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!!
    And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the
    road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.
    Funny you don't produce any references...

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

    Hey Fool, LOOK IT UP!!!!!! Are you FUCKING IGNORANT???????????????????????

    Apparently so, since you haven't heard of it.

    Apparently, Tesla's with a dead 12V system can be jumpstarted...

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    Oops.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jun 4 19:40:07 2023
    On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 2:13:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 20:04, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is
    likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling
    confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after,
    not one, not two, but three additional Fed
    interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn
    (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your
    “proof” that all EV companies are going to
    fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But
    you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the
    bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30%
    gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony
    trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy
    has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that
    original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from
    stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just
    these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a
    high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This
    is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when
    the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that
    all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace…
    despite already demonstrating some other advantages
    over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>






    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and
    gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only
    motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise
    are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has
    cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS
    NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying
    up these EV companies because they thought these would
    be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in
    PCs ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull
    my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the
    post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal
    income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining
    about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from
    this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain
    it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually
    explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low
    maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is
    vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250
    Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for
    a new one. In that 10 years it had to go into the shop once
    (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair
    cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less
    than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs
    just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.
    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that
    drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting.
    They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty
    of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While
    they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then,
    everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have
    a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you
    can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They
    called Tesla roadside service and found that they would have to
    wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a
    150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it
    back. They had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs)
    to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA
    would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't
    mean EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay
    for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>



    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away
    from some of the

    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already
    fielded), plus there's been at least a ~decade of 'regular'
    automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD
    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,
    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    IOW, RTFM.

    Yup.

    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school
    in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know
    what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    It’s been a long time since I’ve done pattern making off of one of my own designs, to prove it out. But no one has claimed that being “handy” isn’t a
    useful life skill, so it doesn’t have much topical relevance here.

    Nevertheless … a very recent addition:
    < http://huntzinger.com/photo/2023/projects/>

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!

    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.

    At least BMW and Mercedes dropped spare tires a ~decade ago in some
    of their models, so acting surprised about it is hardly a new revelation.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jun 4 22:21:08 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:13:15 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 20:04, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is
    likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling
    confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after,
    not one, not two, but three additional Fed
    interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn
    (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your
    “proof” that all EV companies are going to
    fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But
    you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the
    bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30%
    gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony
    trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy
    has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that
    original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from
    stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just
    these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a
    high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This
    is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when
    the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that
    all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace…
    despite already demonstrating some other advantages
    over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>






    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and
    gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only
    motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise
    are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has
    cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS
    NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying
    up these EV companies because they thought these would
    be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in
    PCs ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull
    my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the
    post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal
    income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining
    about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from
    this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain
    it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually
    explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low
    maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is
    vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250
    Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for
    a new one. In that 10 years it had to go into the shop once
    (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair
    cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less
    than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs
    just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.
    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that
    drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting.
    They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty
    of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While
    they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then,
    everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have
    a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you
    can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They
    called Tesla roadside service and found that they would have to
    wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a
    150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it
    back. They had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs)
    to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA
    would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't
    mean EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay
    for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>



    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away
    from some of the

    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already
    fielded), plus there's been at least a ~decade of 'regular'
    automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD
    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,
    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    IOW, RTFM.
    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school
    in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know
    what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!
    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.

    And that's supposed to be a PLUS for a Tesla? I don't think so, Fool. Do you want to have a flat on HWY 50 and be stranded for DAYS?

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jun 4 22:18:49 2023
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 18:24, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 6:15:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely
    (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the >>>>>>>>>>> bottom was four months ago, especially since that was >>>>>>>>>>> before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” >>>>>>>>>>> that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER >>>>>>>>>> it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever >>>>>>>> provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post >>>>>>>>>> - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. >>>>>>>>>> And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to >>>>>>>>>> 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. >>>>>>>>>> This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards >>>>>>>>>> blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you >>>>>> forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off
    circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next >>>>>> Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2
    era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates >>>> ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a >>>>> stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain >>>> the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for >>> 10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had
    to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an
    appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair
    costs was less than $50/yr.
    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.
    Ignored, huh?

    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back
    (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the
    Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this
    battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!! >>> And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the
    road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.
    Funny you don't produce any references...

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

    Hey Fool, LOOK IT UP!!!!!! Are you FUCKING IGNORANT???????????????????????

    Apparently so, since you haven't heard of it.
    Apparently, Tesla's with a dead 12V system can be jumpstarted...

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    Oops.

    Not by technologically ignorant libtards.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Jun 5 02:13:07 2023
    On 2023-06-04 22:18, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:09:58 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 18:24, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 6:15:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is likely >>>>>>>>>>>>> (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling confident that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom was four months ago, especially since that was >>>>>>>>>>>>> before, not after, not one, not two, but three
    additional Fed interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn (RIDE) is
    about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your “proof” >>>>>>>>>>>>> that all EV companies are going to fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But you
    already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the bottom AFTER >>>>>>>>>>>> it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% gain from TQQQ -
    all you have is your phony trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy has ever >>>>>>>>>> provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that original post >>>>>>>>>>>> - they ALL took BILLIONS from stupid libtards like you. >>>>>>>>>>>> And it isn't just these small players: Tesla is down to >>>>>>>>>>>> 177 from a high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> This is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you libtards >>>>>>>>>>>> blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when the
    stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that all
    EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace… despite
    already demonstrating some other advantages over
    traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>



    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only motivated by
    their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise are you >>>>>>>> forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has cut off >>>>>>>> circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS NO
    comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying up
    these EV companies because they thought these would be the next >>>>>>>> Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in PCs
    ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull my other
    leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for MAKE
    AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the post-WW2 >>>>>> era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal income tax rates >>>>>> ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining about paying too much
    instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from this
    truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain it to a >>>>>>> stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually explain >>>>>> the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low maintenance
    of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is vital to view that
    in context. For example, I owned a F-250 Super Duty diesel pickup for >>>>> 10 years until I traded it in for a new one. In that 10 years it had >>>>> to go into the shop once (ironically, when I took it in for an
    appraisal!). The repair cost was under $500, so my annualized repair >>>>> costs was less than $50/yr.
    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs just
    don't have.
    Ignored, huh?

    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that drove
    their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting. They decided
    to recharge it there, even though it had plenty of range to get back >>>>> (this speaks to range anxiety). While they waited they watched the
    Internet in the car. Then, everything went BLACK! Most people don't
    know that Teslas have a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this
    battery dies you can't even open the doors (although you can get
    out). They called Tesla roadside service and found that they would
    have to wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put >>>>> into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a 150
    miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it back. They
    had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) to rescue them!! >>>>> And this was for just a dead battery - AAA would have me back on the >>>>> road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.
    Funny you don't produce any references...

    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't mean
    EVs are impractical in principle.

    Hey Fool, LOOK IT UP!!!!!! Are you FUCKING IGNORANT??????????????????????? >>>
    Apparently so, since you haven't heard of it.
    Apparently, Tesla's with a dead 12V system can be jumpstarted...

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    Oops.

    Not by technologically ignorant libtards.

    I don't think even YOU know what you were trying to say, Sunshine.

    Your story is bogus.

    Tesla's with dead 12V batteries can be "jumpstarted".

    Period.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Jun 5 02:14:57 2023
    On 2023-06-04 22:21, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:13:15 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 20:04, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan
    wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is
    likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling
    confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after,
    not one, not two, but three additional Fed
    interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn
    (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your
    “proof” that all EV companies are going to
    fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But
    you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the
    bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30%
    gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony
    trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy
    has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that
    original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from
    stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just
    these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a
    high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This
    is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when
    the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying
    technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that
    all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace…
    despite already demonstrating some other advantages
    over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>






    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and
    gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC
    companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as
    sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't
    understand business or technology and are only
    motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise
    are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has
    cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS
    NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying
    up these EV companies because they thought these would
    be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in
    PCs ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull
    my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the
    post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal
    income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining
    about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from
    this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the
    relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain
    it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually
    explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low
    maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is
    vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250
    Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for
    a new one. In that 10 years it had to go into the shop once
    (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair
    cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less
    than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs
    just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY.
    Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that
    drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting.
    They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty
    of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While
    they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then,
    everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have
    a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you
    can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They
    called Tesla roadside service and found that they would have to
    wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a
    150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it
    back. They had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs)
    to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA
    would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't
    mean EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay
    for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>



    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away
    from some of the

    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already
    fielded), plus there's been at least a ~decade of 'regular'
    automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD

    Oh, and "you're" should have been "your".

    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,
    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting
    skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>

    No reply, Sunshine?

    Colour me shocked.


    IOW, RTFM.
    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school
    in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know
    what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot
    electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to
    college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!
    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.

    And that's supposed to be a PLUS for a Tesla? I don't think so, Fool. Do you want to have a flat on HWY 50 and be stranded for DAYS?

    If you think that the only option to avoid being "stranded for DAYS" is
    to have a spare tire, you are the one who is ignorant, Sunshine?

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jun 5 19:22:47 2023
    On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:15:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 22:21, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 11:13:15 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-03 20:04, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:20:35 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-06-02 17:56, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 5:32:47 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 12:14:02 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 1:58:07 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 3:47:27 PM UTC-4, Tommy
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 6:01:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
    wrote:
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 2:39:37 AM UTC-4, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2023-05-19 23:22, Tommy wrote:

    history tells us that a 10%-20% correction is
    likely (and 2020 was -30%). Still feeling
    confident that the bottom was four months ago,
    especially since that was before, not after,
    not one, not two, but three additional Fed
    interest rate hikes?

    Back to the ORIGINAL subject Lordstonwn
    (RIDE) is about to shut down completely:

    So? Is this failure of one EV company your
    “proof” that all EV companies are going to
    fail?

    Of course I was quoting YOU, Lyin' Asshole. But
    you already knew that.

    Everybody will be an expert at calling the
    bottom AFTER it has occurred. Still, I have a 30% >>>>>>>>>>>>> gain from TQQQ - all you have is your phony
    trade.

    A “phony” which had more documentation than Tommy >>>>>>>>>>> has ever provided.

    Silence from Tommy. Shocking!
    Still.
    RIDE was one of FOUR EV companies in that
    original post - they ALL took BILLIONS from
    stupid libtards like you. And it isn't just
    these small players: Tesla is down to 177 from a
    high of 415, and Ford is down from 25 to 11. This >>>>>>>>>>>>> is many MORE BILLIONS of dollars that you
    libtards blew.

    You get that the company doesn't get anything when
    the stock price goes down, right Sunshine?

    No, Tommy doesn’t understand that.

    Startups fail. It says nothing about the underlying >>>>>>>>>>>> technology.

    And Tommy has failed to support his insinuation that
    all EVs are bad and will fail in the marketplace…
    despite already demonstrating some other advantages
    over traditional ICE, such as in reliability:

    “ First true EV reliability report shows 30% less
    breakdowns as ADAC pegs low-voltage batteries a weak
    point”

    <
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/First-true-EV-reliability-report-shows-30-less-breakdowns-as-ADAC-pegs-low-voltage-batteries-a-weak-point.718821.0.html>






    TL;DR: already 30% better, plus they know what they need to work on >>>>>>>>>>> to make future spirals even better.

    How many personal computer companies have come and
    gone?

    None, of course! /s


    More bullshit from the Lyin' Asshole.

    Only the very last line on there never having been any PC >>>>>>>>> companies which have failed…but that was also tagged as >>>>>>>>> sarcasm.

    The premise of the thread is that STUPID LIBTARDS don't >>>>>>>>>> understand business or technology and are only
    motivated by their FALSE WOKE view of the world.

    Since that’s been disproven, what part of your premise
    are you forced to revise?

    These SUCKERS are bound to be fleeced.

    That red MAGA hat is a tad tight on you, Tommy: it has
    cut off circulation to your brain.
    Hey Lyin' Asshole, your lies just KEEP ON COMING! There IS
    NO comparison at all to
    the PC industry. NONE! Stupid Woke libtards were buying
    up these EV companies because they thought these would
    be the next Tesla and they were saving the world.
    Because you’re trying to claim that no one ever invested in >>>>>>> PCs ever, because they believed that IT was the future? Pull
    my other leg.
    BTW, I am PROUD to be a MAGA - after all, it stands for
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
    Too bad you don’t practice what you preach, because the
    post-WW2 era of Greatness that’s inferred had top marginal
    income tax rates ~2x of today, yet you’re still whining
    about paying too much instead of not enough.
    All that you two are trying to do is to deflect from
    this truism.

    Why deflect when it’s easier to debunk?
    Silence from Tommy.
    And just TRY to get your Tesla repaired:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDPfjPEqaY

    But since Tesla hasn’t gone out of business, what’s the >>>>>>>>> relevance?

    HA HA HA HA! If you don't know it is POINTLESS to explain
    it to a stupid libtard.
    Deflection again…Because you know that you can’t actually >>>>>>> explain the relevance.

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, it was YOU who bragged about the low
    maintenance of EVs. While there is some truth to that, it is
    vital to view that in context. For example, I owned a F-250
    Super Duty diesel pickup for 10 years until I traded it in for
    a new one. In that 10 years it had to go into the shop once
    (ironically, when I took it in for an appraisal!). The repair
    cost was under $500, so my annualized repair costs was less
    than $50/yr.

    Riiiiiiiiight.

    And you ignore the regular maintenance costs...

    ...where there are lots of systems you need to maintain that EVs
    just don't have.
    Engine oil changes alone cost more than $50/year, even if you DIY. >>>>>> Now, a friend told me about the experience of a relative that
    drove their Tesla a short distance (60 mi) for wine tasting.
    They decided to recharge it there, even though it had plenty
    of range to get back (this speaks to range anxiety). While
    they waited they watched the Internet in the car. Then,
    everything went BLACK! Most people don't know that Teslas have
    a 12V battery besides the HV battery. If this battery dies you
    can't even open the doors (although you can get out). They
    called Tesla roadside service and found that they would have to >>>>>> wait several HOURS for service! The car couldn't even be put
    into neutral. The closest Tesla service center was Spokane, a
    150 miles away! And they would have to wait a WEEK to get it
    back. They had to call relatives that drove TWO CARS (none EVs) >>>>>> to rescue them!! And this was for just a dead battery - AAA
    would have me back on the road in an hour.

    This is a WELL-KNOWN issue with Tesla's.

    Funny you don't produce any references...
    Or RTFM, since they can be jump-started.

    <https://blog.tesbros.com/jumpstart-your-12v-battery/>
    ...but even if that's the case, a design flaw in a Tesla doesn't
    mean EVs are impractical in principle.
    Its more of a design trade-off than flaw, and Hyundai chose to pay
    for a bridge circuit:

    <https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38537243/electric-cars-12-volt-batteries/>



    In any event, military vehicles use higher voltages, to get away
    from some of the

    shortcomings in 12V (IIRC, up to ~400V systems are already
    fielded), plus there's been at least a ~decade of 'regular'
    automotive industry talking about going to 48V.


    -hh

    What do you know, a libtard that can actually do basic research!

    The basic problem is that you're average libtard is TOTALLY DEVIOD
    Oh, and "you're" should have been "your".
    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,
    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting
    skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>
    No reply, Sunshine?

    Colour me shocked.

    IOW, RTFM.
    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school
    in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know
    what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot
    electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to
    college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!
    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.

    And that's supposed to be a PLUS for a Tesla? I don't think so, Fool. Do you want to have a flat on HWY 50 and be stranded for DAYS?
    If you think that the only option to avoid being "stranded for DAYS" is
    to have a spare tire, you are the one who is ignorant, Sunshine?

    LOL! You haven't driven Hwy 50, the Loneliest Highway in the US, have you Fool?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Jun 6 08:33:34 2023
    On 2023-06-05 19:22, Tommy wrote:
    of any normal troubleshooting skills, so when the battery dies they
    call 911 (or Tesla roadside assistance,
    How is that different to them being ignorant of normal troubleshooting >>>> skills with an ICE vehicle.

    Straight from the Tesla 3 owner's manual:

    'Jump Starting the Low Voltage (Lead-Acid) Battery'

    <https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-3567D5F4-A5F4-4323-8BE0-023D5438FFC6.html>
    No reply, Sunshine?

    Colour me shocked.

    Nothing to say, Sunshine?

    IOW, RTFM.
    as I detailed in this
    incident). This is typical of our educational system today - no
    practical application content. In grade school I had two years of
    shop; this is non-existent today. I attended a technical high school >>>>> in Portland (Benson Polytechnic) where I go exposure to: 1. Metal
    working 2. Welding 3. Automotive 4. Pattern making (do you even know >>>>> what a pattern is?) 5. Foundry 6. Electrical I spent my last two
    years in electronics where I studied, built, tested and troubleshot
    electronic circuits. This definitely gave me an edge when I went to
    college (yes, I am a college graduate with multiple degrees and a
    graduate degree). Now, I am comfortable troubleshooting all of the
    systems that run amok around my home. Rarely do I have to call in a
    tech, but I will if necessary. I have repaired our broken down
    vehicles on the road (this is MUCH less frequent these days because
    the reliability is MUCH better than forty years ago).

    Now adays people can't even change a flat! Of course, if you own a
    Tesla there IS NO spare tire!
    There's no spare for my BMW 135i either, Sunshine.
    And that's supposed to be a PLUS for a Tesla? I don't think so, Fool. Do you want to have a flat on HWY 50 and be stranded for DAYS?
    If you think that the only option to avoid being "stranded for DAYS" is
    to have a spare tire, you are the one who is ignorant, Sunshine?
    LOL! You haven't driven Hwy 50, the Loneliest Highway in the US, have you Fool?

    You haven't figured out what I meant, have you, Sunshine?

    <https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tire+patching+kit&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&bshm=nce/1>

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Jun 6 21:31:40 2023
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:04:53 PM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of
    ARNA!!!!
    The ONLY "Lyin' Asshole" on this group is the one who uses the term
    most often; like the ulimate in projection.

    I note how often you avoid any direct questions and only give infantile responses, you senile old fart, Betty.

    You are always running and hiding, pussy.

    LOL! Sorry, you fucking ignorant libtard - it is FAR MORE than $20! You tell ME what you are willing to BET because I WILL MATCH IT!!

    BTW, check your fucking spelling, you idiot!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Jun 7 04:31:19 2023
    On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 12:31:41 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 2:04:53 PM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    Note that the Lyin' Asshole NEVER said how much he made off of
    ARNA!!!!
    The ONLY "Lyin' Asshole" on this group is the one who uses the term
    most often; like the ulimate in projection.

    I note how often you avoid any direct questions and only give infantile responses, you senile old fart, Betty.

    You are always running and hiding, pussy.

    LOL! Sorry, you fucking ignorant libtard - it is FAR MORE than $20! You tell ME what you are willing to BET because I WILL MATCH IT!!

    BTW, check your fucking spelling, you idiot!

    Gosh, look who replied to the wrong posting.


    -hh

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