These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT!
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to support
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT!
based on the “FYDP”.
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to supportThats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressureThat’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users>
-hh
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:53:56 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT!
Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
based on the “FYDP”.
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to support
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
Thats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
That’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users>
Hey Buddy, it happened on Lyin' Biden's watch, so he gets the blame. Case CLOSED!
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:53:56 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT!
based on the “FYDP”.
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to supportThats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.That’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users>
-hh
Hey Buddy, it happened on Lyin' Biden's watch, so he gets the blame. Case CLOSED!
On 2023-09-18 07:44, Tommy wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:53:56 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?based on the “FYDP”.
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT! >> Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to supportThats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.That’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users>
-hh
Hey Buddy, it happened on Lyin' Biden's watch, so he gets the blame. Case CLOSED!Sunshine... ...this really isn't a subject you're equipped to discuss
with HH...
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:54:03 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-18 07:44, Tommy wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:53:56 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Sunshine... ...this really isn't a subject you're equipped to discuss
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?based on the “FYDP”.
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT! >>>> Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to supportThats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.That’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users>
-hh
Hey Buddy, it happened on Lyin' Biden's watch, so he gets the blame. Case CLOSED!
with HH...
The facts are EXACTLY as the reference I provided stated, Fool. If you have an issue with the FACTS take it up with the publication. And reversing the stupid policy DOES NOT undo the FACT that there is a severe shortage of those shells.
On 2023-09-18 15:50, Tommy wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:54:03 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-18 07:44, Tommy wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:53:56 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:37:40 PM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by the TENS OF THOUSANDS, so why is our supply so low?Nope. The POM for FY22 was done long before Biden was even elected., because they run
Answer: because Lyin' Biden CUT their production by FORTY-THREE PERCENT!
based on the “FYDP”.
"When we looked across the accounts at where we could take a degree of risk to supportThats addressing what can be adjusted was a shift between programs, as the ERCA
some of the modernization efforts, this was one area where leadership was comfortable
taking some risks," Jack Daniels, deputy assistant secretary of the Army for plans,
programs and resources, told reporters.
R&D was running more expensive than it’s original plan, so they ‘steal’ from other Army
R&D efforts deemed to be lower priority, such as [recused].
Well, the risk wasn't worth it.That’s an old 2021 article that’s been subsumed by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine,
https://www.fieldartillery.org/news/army-to-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure
as 155mm production has already been more than doubled from the pre-cut values.
Oh, and it’s not 155mm for the M107, as the M107 is an old, obsolete gun that used 175mm:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_self-propelled_gun#Former_users> >>>>
-hh
Hey Buddy, it happened on Lyin' Biden's watch, so he gets the blame. Case CLOSED!
Sunshine... ...this really isn't a subject you're equipped to discuss
with HH...
The facts are EXACTLY as the reference I provided stated, Fool. If you have an issue with the FACTS take it up with the publication. And reversing the stupid policy DOES NOT undo the FACT that there is a severe shortage of those shells.
A publication 2 years out of date and which HH showed has figures that
are no longer CLOSE to correct, Sunshine.
As he quoted:
“The Army expects production of 155mm artillery shells will jump more
than threefold next year from 24,000 per month to between 80,000 and
85,000 per month,”
Your old publication suggested yearly production was going to be 75,357 rounds. That would be 6,279 per month.
So his article notes that at the time of publication, production was actually 14,000 per month; more than twice your out-dated source
mentioned, and that it was going to be kicked up to 24,000 per month
some time in 2023 ("over 24,000 later this year").
So no, the facts are NOT exactly as your article stated.
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
:-)
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually citingLosing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
🙂
These are being used in Ukraine by the
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:37:40 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
These are being used in Ukraine by theAre you stuck in the 1930's?
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
But to be fair...And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually citingLosing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >> Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
🙂
...he is SO good at it!
😉
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually
citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find
suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take
over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are
sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:From your own source, Sunshine:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually
citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We haveWrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per month.
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take
over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are
sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
From your own source (from a year ago):
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate of
12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>From your own source, Sunshine:
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring 2023,
and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually
citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find
suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take
over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are
sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
From your own source (from a year ago):
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm
artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate of
12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring 2023,
and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth said." >>
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production. https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production. https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer which had no new spare parts.
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer >>> which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer >>>>> which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month, so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer >>> which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank outSo that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be exhausted.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>> Sunshine!
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually
citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find
suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take
over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are >>> sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
From your own source (from a year ago):
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm >> artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate of
12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring 2023,
and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5They're raising the production rate to 85,000 per month.
Replenishing 1.5 million rounds at that rate would take 17 months.
And do you know how many rounds the US has stockpiled?
And you're just assuming that only the US is providing them 155mm
shells, Sunshine.
On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:33:01 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually >>>>>> citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per month. >>But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find
suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take >>> over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are >>> sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
From your own source (from a year ago):
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm
artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate of >> 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring 2023, >> and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5They're raising the production rate to 85,000 per month.
Replenishing 1.5 million rounds at that rate would take 17 months.
And do you know how many rounds the US has stockpiled?
And you're just assuming that only the US is providing them 155mmSays who, Fool?
shells, Sunshine.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:18:36 PM UTC-7, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:33:01 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity.
We have shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the
Army wants to find suppliers that can produce TWELVE
THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take over FIVE YEARS just to
replenish our inventory IF no more shells are sent to
Ukraine.
per month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
Says who, Fool?
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to
12,000 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at
a rate of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now
would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds
overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by
spring 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the
Army Christine Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A
HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will
take YEARS to just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with
their usage. They are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In
other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our
production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
They're raising the production rate to 85,000 per month.
Replenishing 1.5 million rounds at that rate would take 17
months.
And do you know how many rounds the US has stockpiled?
And you're just assuming that only the US is providing them 155mm
shells, Sunshine.
NO, we ARE NOT producing 80,000 155mm projectiles per month: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-increasing-155mm-artillery-shell-production/#:~:text=Speaking%20to%20reporters%20on%20Monday,million%20new%20shells%20per%20year.
MAYBE next year we will be at that level, but even if we were that represents TEN DAYS of consumption by Ukraine w/o "replenishing" a damn thing. Boy, is libtard math ever FUCKED UP!
On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:33:01 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:other words THREE DAYS consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>> Sunshine!
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is actually
citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per month. >>>>But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to find
suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That would take
over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no more shells are >>>>> sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
From your own source (from a year ago):
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm >>>> artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate of >>>> 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring 2023,
and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5They're raising the production rate to 85,000 per month.
Replenishing 1.5 million rounds at that rate would take 17 months.
And do you know how many rounds the US has stockpiled?
And you're just assuming that only the US is providing them 155mm
shells, Sunshine.
Says who, Fool?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sunshine!
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is
actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer >>>>> which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month, so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them. >> So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be >> exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
Interesting!
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them. >> So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be >> exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hhInteresting!
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:12:43 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively). >>
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
Interesting!
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)Or maybe he finally found one of my .mil email addresses…?
-hh
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:36:11 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:12:43 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two >> configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
Interesting!
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)Or maybe he finally found one of my .mil email addresses…?
-hh
Believe me, there IS a reason why I call you the "Lyin' Asshole"!
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 5:35:15 AM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:36:11 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:12:43 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article: >>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 perBut to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to
find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That
would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
month.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring
2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
Interesting!
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)Or maybe he finally found one of my .mil email addresses…?
-hh
Believe me, there IS a reason why I call you the "Lyin' Asshole"!Oh, of course there is: it’s because you can’t dispute the facts, so you resort
to Ad Hominem attacks on the person instead. Shows that you know that
you lost the debate *and* that you’re a pathetically sore loser too.
TL;DR: “Cry Harder!”
-hh
Hey, YOU asked and I answered - you ARE a LYING ASSHOLE!Oh, of course there is: it’s because you can’t dispute the facts, so you resortBelieve me, there IS a reason why I call you the "Lyin' Asshole"!Or maybe he finally found one of my .mil email addresses…?Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out >>>>>> that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,Interesting!
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before >>>>>> depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked. >>>>>> Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>>>>-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
😉
-hh
to Ad Hominem attacks on the person instead. Shows that you know that
you lost the debate*and* that you’re a pathetically sore loser too.
TL;DR: “Cry Harder!”
-hh
On 2023-09-28 21:00, Tommy wrote:
Believe me, there IS a reason why I call you the "Lyin' Asshole"!Or maybe he finally found one of my .mil email addresses…?Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending outInteresting!
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before >>>>>> depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked. >>>>>> Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>>>>-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
😉
-hh
Oh, of course there is: it’s because you can’t dispute the facts, so you resort
to Ad Hominem attacks on the person instead. Shows that you know that
you lost the debate*and* that you’re a pathetically sore loser too.
TL;DR: “Cry Harder!”
Hey, YOU asked and I answered - you ARE a LYING ASSHOLE!
Dude.... ....Sunshine...
...you are SO far out of your depth here.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:Interesting!
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively). >>>>
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate >>>>>>>>>> of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine >>>>>>>>>> Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS >>>>>>>>> consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million >>>>>>>> rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno >>>>>>>> Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and >>>>>>>> defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them. >>>> So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be >>>> exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before
depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants.
-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
Interesting, the Fool CAN'T deal with the FACTS!
On 2023-09-27 13:34, Tommy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote:Interesting!
On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two >>>> configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively). >>>>
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article:
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out >>> that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before
depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>
-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
Interesting, the Fool CAN'T deal with the FACTS!What FACT have you presented that actually shows the US is 'desperately short of M107 (155mm) shells', Sunshine?
Do you know how many shells the US has in inventory?
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-27 13:34, Tommy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:What FACT have you presented that actually shows the US is 'desperately
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:Interesting!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two >>>>>> configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively). >>>>>>
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>>>>>> month.But to be fair...🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do.
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have >>>>>>>>>>>>> shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no >>>>>>>>>>>>> more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 >>>>>>>>>>>> 155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight: >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF >>>>>>>>>>> MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to >>>>>>>>>>> just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They >>>>>>>>>>> are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and >>>>>>>>>> teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be >>>>>> exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out >>>>> that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before >>>>> depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked.
Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>>>
-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
Interesting, the Fool CAN'T deal with the FACTS!
short of M107 (155mm) shells', Sunshine?
Do you know how many shells the US has in inventory?
LOL! Well, that would be the senile pervert's OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On 2023-09-30 19:24, Tommy wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-27 13:34, Tommy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:What FACT have you presented that actually shows the US is 'desperately >> short of M107 (155mm) shells', Sunshine?
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:Interesting!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two >>>>>> configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively).
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>>>>>> month.🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But to be fair...
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday
agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to
Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out
that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before >>>>> depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked. >>>>>Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>>>
-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
Interesting, the Fool CAN'T deal with the FACTS!
Do you know how many shells the US has in inventory?
LOL! Well, that would be the senile pervert's OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Really?
Quote those, would you?
Because what I recall is that he mentioned only one specific KIND of shell.
:-)
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-30 19:24, Tommy wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 7:54:51 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Really?
On 2023-09-27 13:34, Tommy wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:12:43 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:What FACT have you presented that actually shows the US is 'desperately >>>> short of M107 (155mm) shells', Sunshine?
On 2023-09-26 15:39, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:03:54 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2023-09-26 12:26, -hh wrote:Interesting!
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:09:24 AM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-26 05:19, -hh wrote:So that's somewhere between 4.5-5.6 million shells (based on the two >>>>>>>> configurations I found only with 88 and 72 submunitions respectively). >>>>>>>>
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC+9, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-25 19:07, Tommy wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:35 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-23 23:47, Tommy wrote:And wouldn't you know it, that same site has a much more recent article,
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-09-20 01:52, -hh wrote:
And your source (https://www.fieldartillery.org), is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually citing information from this article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-cut-155-mm-artillery-spending-citing-budget-pressure>
Now... ...would you like to go on losing?Sunshine!
<https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/army-raises-future-monthly-155mm-artillery-shell-production-target-70k-85k>
From your own source (from a year ago):Wrong again, Sunshine! Current production is already 14,000 per >>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.🙂Losing is the only thing Tommy knows how to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But to be fair...
...he is SO good at it!
😉
LOL! You libtards are totally blinded by your stupidity. We have
shipped 800,000 155mm rounds to Ukraine and the Army wants to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find suppliers that can produce TWELVE THOUSAND A MONTH! That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would take over FIVE YEARS just to replenish our inventory IF no
more shells are sent to Ukraine.
<https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/the-us-has-given-ukraine-nearly-a-million-155-mm-artillery-shells-now-its-looking-for-us-companies-to-build-more-of-them-/articleshow/94186758.cms>
'The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000
155 mm artillery shells a month.'
That would be in addition to production already operating at a rate
of 12-14 thousand a month.
So that wouldn't be 5 years to replenish stockpiles, now would it?
From your own source, Sunshine:
But, WAIT, you just don't start building these rounds overnight:
<https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/03/us-artillery-production-ukraine-limited-lack-machine-tools-army-official-says/383615/>
"Production is set to rise to 20,000 shells per month by spring >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2023, and 40,000 per month by 2025, Secretary of the Army Christine
Wormuth said."
You should really read the articles you post.
Don't you GET IT? We have sent them not 800,000, but ONE AND A HALF
MILLION rounds - whatever the production rate it will take YEARS to
just replenish our stock, let alone keep up with their usage. They
are firing 6 to 8 THOUSAND ROUNDS PER DAY. In other words THREE DAYS
consumes ONE MONTHS worth of our production.
https://apnews.com/article/155mm-howitzer-ukraine-ammunition-russia-7d966c85046b73db2b013f93c51af2a5
Case in point, pookums:
"BRUSSELS, March 20 (Reuters) - European Union countries on Monday >>>>>>>>>>>> agreed a 2 billion euro plan to send 1 million artillery rounds to >>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine over the next year by digging into their own stockpiles and
teaming up to buy more shells.
"We have reached a political consensus to send to Ukraine one million
rounds of 155 mm calibre ammunition," Estonian Defence Minister Hanno
Pevkur told reporters on the sidelines of a meeting of EU foreign and
defence ministers in Brussels."
<https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-agrees-plan-send-million-artillery-shells-ukraine-2023-03-20/>
A similar thing happened with Afghanistan & Iraq: stockpiles exist so that they
can be drawn down as production ramps up. For example, I forget just how low
LCAAP production got during the “peace dividend” 1990s, but ballpark it at
probably 250M RMDs/yr .. and after 9/11, it was easy to triple that, but it then
took some time to get up to the full mobilization requirement, which was well
north of 1B/yr. They were supposed to be able to do their design peak without
any facilitization upgrade investments, but that turned out to not be the case,
in no small part because one subsystem was running on an analog computer
which had no new spare parts.
So what would you estimate the US stockpile of—say—155mm shells to be, H?
I know some of the common criteria for determining stockpile size; basically
figure the “hot war” daily firing rate per tube, times tubes, times production
ramp-up time (eg, 30-60-90 days, etc). Then add safety factors for logistical
losses, different types, etc.
For example, just the obsolete DPICM stockpile to basically defend the Fulda Gap
in Germany (& probably a similar channelizaation in SK) is ~5 million rounds:
“Both ground and air forces stockpile large numbers of outdated cluster munitions
that have caused significant harm to civilians in recent conflicts. The Army and
Marine Corps have 155mm artillery projectiles (M483/M483A1 and M864) containing
about 402 million Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM) submunitions.”
<https://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/arms/cluster0705/2.htm#:~:text=The%20Army%20and%20Marine%20Corps,Conventional%20Munition%20(DPICM)%20submunitions.>
And that round type hasn’t even been manufactured for IIRC roughly 2 decades.
The average American has no concept of what manufacturing volumes can be like.
Ditto for your average Engineer too who hasn’t done such production support.
Case in point, one of the US’s small caliber production machines can crank out
a million rounds .. per shift. And not only is there a row of these at Lake City,
but they’ve also been upgraded to higher rates since I worked on them.
At 8,000 rounds a day, that's 562-700 days before the stockpile would be
exhausted.
And that’s just the DPICM stocks.
Sounds like plenty of time to ramp up production to me.
Plus there’s the dynamic of the current production rate extending out >>>>>>> that “runs out”: at a simple ~24K/mo, that’s +3 firing days per month,
so using ~18 months for 562-700, that’s 3*18= +54 more days before >>>>>>> depletion.
Sad that it's necessary, but appeasing a tyrant has never worked. >>>>>>>Precisely why to not let tyrant Tommy get away with any of his rants. >>>>>>>
-hh
Sunshine has replied multiple times to me in this thread...
...but never a single reply to you.
Maybe he understands how badly that would go for him!
;-)
Interesting, the Fool CAN'T deal with the FACTS!
Do you know how many shells the US has in inventory?
LOL! Well, that would be the senile pervert's OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote those, would you?
Because what I recall is that he mentioned only one specific KIND of shell. >>
:-)
LOL! LOOK IT UP, you LAZY BASTARD!!
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