• OT: But you wingnuts will just read the Fox "News" headline, right?

    From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 11:54:10 2023
    'Devon Archer said the opposite of what Republicans claimed

    ...

    Archer’s testimony was enormously damaging to President Biden, they suggested, with House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) insisting that Archer’s testimony made the bribery allegation he’d first introduced two months ago “more credible.”

    ...

    On Thursday, the Oversight Committee released a transcript of Archer’s testimony — testimony for which Comer wasn’t present. What Archer said
    not only doesn’t comport with the presentations made by Comer and Jordan
    on television (which were obviously wrong from the outset), his
    testimony undermines the idea that Burisma wanted Shokin fired, that
    Zlochevsky paid any bribe — and, crucially, that Joe Biden was involved
    in any of this.'

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/03/devon-archer-transcript-biden/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.
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    Get that, wingnuts:

    Comer WASN'T EVEN THERE!

    But you go ahead, wingnuts:

    <https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf>

    There's the actual transcript.

    Why don't you quote whichever statement by Archer you think is the most damaging.

    :-)

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Aug 9 13:12:01 2023
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:54:17 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    'Devon Archer said the opposite of what Republicans claimed

    ...

    Archer’s testimony was enormously damaging to President Biden, they suggested, with House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) insisting that Archer’s testimony made the bribery allegation he’d first introduced two months ago “more credible.”

    ...

    On Thursday, the Oversight Committee released a transcript of Archer’s testimony — testimony for which Comer wasn’t present. What Archer said not only doesn’t comport with the presentations made by Comer and Jordan on television (which were obviously wrong from the outset), his
    testimony undermines the idea that Burisma wanted Shokin fired, that Zlochevsky paid any bribe — and, crucially, that Joe Biden was involved
    in any of this.'

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/03/devon-archer-transcript-biden/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.
    eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjkxMDM1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjkyNDE3NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTEwMzUyMDAsImp0aSI6IjcxOGM2MDBiLWQwMDktNDQwNC1hMjBkLTMwMDMyMTNkNDM4NSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLzA4LzA
    zL2Rldm9uLWFyY2hlci10cmFuc2NyaXB0LWJpZGVuLyJ9.tEjCe1LuI_WObQB_g9lXPIZWx8t44qtggQLfgLHhtHk>

    Get that, wingnuts:

    Comer WASN'T EVEN THERE!

    But you go ahead, wingnuts:

    <https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf>

    There's the actual transcript.

    Why don't you quote whichever statement by Archer you think is the most damaging.

    :-)

    LOL! Archer PROVED that Lyin' Biden has been LYING FOR YEARS and knew ALL ABOUT Hunter BooBoo's business partners.

    The arguably most damning part of his testimony, however, is his connecting Lyin' Joe Biden directly to a request by Burisma execs to the firing of Shokin during a meeting in Dubai with BooBoo. This starts on p. 32 of the transcript:

    8 BY MR. MANDOLFO:
    9 Q And do you remember going to the board of directors meetings in Dubai?
    10 A Yes.
    11 Q And do you remember who was at that meeting?
    12 A Yes. Alan Apter, Aleksander Kwasniewski, Mykola Zlochevsky, Vadym P.,
    13 Hunter Biden, and then some other -- some other executives. And then there were two
    14 Cypress board members that I can't remember their names.
    15 Q And who is Alan Apter?
    16 A He was a board member. He was a -- he's a London banker.
    17 Q Do you remember what was discussed at the board meeting?
    18 A December 2015?
    19 Q Yes.

    And goes on for several pages. On p. 35 Lyin' Biden himself is identified as the "big guy":

    2 Mr. Archer. The request -- you know, basically the request is like, can D.C. help?
    3 But there were not -- you know, I'm not going to -- there were not -- it wasn't like -- there
    4 weren't specific, you know, can the big guy help? It was -- it's always this amorphous,
    5 can we get help in D.C.?
    6 Mr. Jordan. The request was help from the United States Government to deal
    7 with the pressure they were under from their prosecutor, and that entailed the freezing
    8 of assets at the London bank and other things that were going on in Ukraine? 9 Mr. Archer. Correct.

    This together with Lyin' Biden's recorded bragging of the firing of Shokin FIVE DAYS LATER, and the bank records provides a full circle evidence trail of bribery.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Aug 10 13:04:01 2023
    On 2023-08-09 13:12, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:54:17 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    'Devon Archer said the opposite of what Republicans claimed

    ...

    Archer’s testimony was enormously damaging to President Biden, they
    suggested, with House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.)
    insisting that Archer’s testimony made the bribery allegation he’d first >> introduced two months ago “more credible.”

    ...

    On Thursday, the Oversight Committee released a transcript of Archer’s
    testimony — testimony for which Comer wasn’t present. What Archer said >> not only doesn’t comport with the presentations made by Comer and Jordan >> on television (which were obviously wrong from the outset), his
    testimony undermines the idea that Burisma wanted Shokin fired, that
    Zlochevsky paid any bribe — and, crucially, that Joe Biden was involved
    in any of this.'

    <https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/03/devon-archer-transcript-biden/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.
    eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjkxMDM1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjkyNDE3NTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTEwMzUyMDAsImp0aSI6IjcxOGM2MDBiLWQwMDktNDQwNC1hMjBkLTMwMDMyMTNkNDM4NSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLzA4LzA
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    Get that, wingnuts:

    Comer WASN'T EVEN THERE!

    But you go ahead, wingnuts:

    <https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf>

    There's the actual transcript.

    Why don't you quote whichever statement by Archer you think is the most
    damaging.

    :-)

    LOL! Archer PROVED that Lyin' Biden has been LYING FOR YEARS and knew ALL ABOUT Hunter BooBoo's business partners.

    The arguably most damning part of his testimony, however, is his connecting Lyin' Joe Biden directly to a request by Burisma execs to the firing of Shokin during a meeting in Dubai with BooBoo. This starts on p. 32 of the transcript:

    8 BY MR. MANDOLFO:
    9 Q And do you remember going to the board of directors meetings in Dubai?
    10 A Yes.
    11 Q And do you remember who was at that meeting?
    12 A Yes. Alan Apter, Aleksander Kwasniewski, Mykola Zlochevsky, Vadym P.,
    13 Hunter Biden, and then some other -- some other executives. And then there were two
    14 Cypress board members that I can't remember their names.
    15 Q And who is Alan Apter?
    16 A He was a board member. He was a -- he's a London banker.
    17 Q Do you remember what was discussed at the board meeting?
    18 A December 2015?
    19 Q Yes.

    And goes on for several pages. On p. 35 Lyin' Biden himself is identified as the "big guy":

    2 Mr. Archer. The request -- you know, basically the request is like, can D.C. help?
    3 But there were not -- you know, I'm not going to -- there were not -- it wasn't like -- there
    4 weren't specific, you know, can the big guy help? It was -- it's always this amorphous,
    5 can we get help in D.C.?
    6 Mr. Jordan. The request was help from the United States Government to deal 7 with the pressure they were under from their prosecutor, and that entailed the freezing
    8 of assets at the London bank and other things that were going on in Ukraine?
    9 Mr. Archer. Correct.

    This together with Lyin' Biden's recorded bragging of the firing of Shokin FIVE DAYS LATER, and the bank records provides a full circle evidence trail of bribery.

    Except you've been shown multiple times that Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma...

    'CLAIM
    Trump said that the Ukrainian prosecutor Joe Biden had pushed to oust,
    Viktor Shokin, was "prosecuting" the company where Hunter Biden sat on
    the board, Burisma.

    CONCLUSION
    Shokin was not prosecuting Burisma.

    EVIDENCE
    While there had been an investigation of the company, Shokin's former
    deputy, Vitaliy Kasko, has said that it was dormant at the time of Joe
    Biden's intervention. (The former US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie
    Yovanovitch, and the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European
    and Eurasian Affairs, George Kent, testified in Trump's impeachment
    inquiry that Shokin was corrupt; the US and its allies had made a
    coordinated effort to oust him.)'

    <https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_3fae078e-8724-4c28-9340-2c154688af43>

    ...and that his ouster was official US policy with which the Republicans agreed.

    <https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html>

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