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  • Illegal alien SLAUGHTERS FIVE execution style in Texas

    From Tommy@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 19:16:25 2023
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One 8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue May 2 20:47:50 2023
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass
    murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10

    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu May 4 19:17:01 2023
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu May 4 23:53:38 2023
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass
    murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien?

    A background check on his purchase.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 5 08:43:36 2023
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass
    murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri May 5 08:56:03 2023
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass
    murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?

    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or at a gun
    show.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri May 5 09:30:41 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-7, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass >>>>> murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien? >> A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or at a gun show.
    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

    You also didn't provide any proof of where Oropeza got the weapon. For sure, Oropeza could not have committed this massacre if had been stopped from entering the country illegally.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri May 5 09:15:44 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass >>>>> murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or at a gun show.

    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri May 5 09:52:57 2023
    On 2023-05-05 09:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass >>>>>>> murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien? >>>> A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or at a gun
    show.

    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

    No. I've never purchased a gun.

    And even if I did, I live in Canada and the rules are entirely different
    up here.

    I have used guns... ...from when I was quite small.

    And I've qualified on quite a few firearms and weapons:

    .22 rifle

    .303 rifle

    7.62mm FN C1A1 battle rifle.

    7.62mm FN C2A1 squad automatic rifle

    9mm C1 SMG (sub-machine gun)

    7.62mm Browning C5 medium machine gun

    .50 Browning M2 heavy machine gun

    M72 LAW (light anti-tank weapon)

    M67 hand grenade

    I think that covers all of them, Sunshine.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri May 5 09:55:20 2023
    On 2023-05-05 09:30, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-7, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES
    before this mass murder. Two women died while lying on
    their kids in bed. One 8-year-old boy was murdered.
    Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10


    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this
    illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have
    you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or
    at a gun show.
    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

    You also didn't provide any proof of where Oropeza got the weapon.

    How does that matter?

    Sales don't require a background check unless he bought it at a gun store.

    For sure, Oropeza could not have committed this massacre if had been
    stopped from entering the country illegally.

    Utterly irrelevant.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat May 6 08:58:13 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:53:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 09:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES before this mass >>>>>>> murder. Two women died while lying on their kids in bed. One
    8-year-old boy was murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today. >>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10
    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this illegal alien? >>>> A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or at a gun >> show.

    You didn't answer the question, Fool.
    No. I've never purchased a gun.

    And even if I did, I live in Canada and the rules are entirely different
    up here.

    I have used guns... ...from when I was quite small.

    And I've qualified on quite a few firearms and weapons:

    .22 rifle

    .303 rifle

    7.62mm FN C1A1 battle rifle.

    7.62mm FN C2A1 squad automatic rifle

    9mm C1 SMG (sub-machine gun)

    7.62mm Browning C5 medium machine gun

    .50 Browning M2 heavy machine gun

    M72 LAW (light anti-tank weapon)

    M67 hand grenade

    I think that covers all of them, Sunshine.

    Good - you actually answered a question! I didn't ask about "handling" or "shooting" a gun, but about PURCHASING a gun. In the US you have to complete the six-page ATF Form 4473 before you can buy a gun from a firearms dealer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473#:~:text=A%20Firearms%20Transaction%20Record%2C%20or,such%20as%20a%20gun%20dealer.
    This would have made it impossible for Oropeza to buy the weapon this way. You never answered HOW Oropeza gut the AR-15 because that has NOT been determined. Criminals like Oropeza have numerous ways to get a firearm that circumvents official roadblocks:
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf
    "Fewer than 1 in 50 (less than 2%) of all prisoners had
    obtained a firearm from a retail source"

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat May 6 08:59:20 2023
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:56:27 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 09:30, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-7, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES
    before this mass murder. Two women died while lying on
    their kids in bed. One 8-year-old boy was murdered.
    Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10


    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this
    illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have
    you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or
    at a gun show.
    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

    You also didn't provide any proof of where Oropeza got the weapon.
    How does that matter?

    Sales don't require a background check unless he bought it at a gun store.
    For sure, Oropeza could not have committed this massacre if had been stopped from entering the country illegally.
    Utterly irrelevant.
    TOTALLY RELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat May 6 09:07:06 2023
    On 2023-05-06 08:59, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:56:27 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 09:30, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-7, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES
    before this mass murder. Two women died while lying on
    their kids in bed. One 8-year-old boy was murdered.
    Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10


    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this
    illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun, have
    you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller or
    at a gun show.
    You didn't answer the question, Fool.

    You also didn't provide any proof of where Oropeza got the weapon.
    How does that matter?

    Sales don't require a background check unless he bought it at a gun store. >>> For sure, Oropeza could not have committed this massacre if had been
    stopped from entering the country illegally.
    Utterly irrelevant.
    TOTALLY RELEVANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nope.

    Look it up.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat May 6 09:06:47 2023
    On 2023-05-06 08:58, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:53:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 09:15, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:57:56 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-05 08:43, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 11:55:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-04 19:17, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 8:47:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-02 19:16, Tommy wrote:
    Francisco Oropesa was deported at least FIVE TIMES
    before this mass murder. Two women died while lying
    on their kids in bed. One 8-year-old boy was
    murdered. Oropesa has been arrested today.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/suspect-accused-of-gunning-down-5-in-texas-taken-into-custody-officials/ar-AA1aEP20?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=9386118405c040fea9e88a4e13b1c8ab&ei=10



    And yet, Texas gun laws were so lax that he had an AR-15...

    And, tell me, exactly WHAT law would have stopped this
    illegal alien?
    A background check on his purchase.

    LOL! That's ALREADY done!! You have NEVER purchased a gun,
    have you?
    Not in Texas if you purchase a firearm from a private seller
    or at a gun show.

    You didn't answer the question, Fool.
    No. I've never purchased a gun.

    And even if I did, I live in Canada and the rules are entirely
    different up here.

    I have used guns... ...from when I was quite small.

    And I've qualified on quite a few firearms and weapons:

    .22 rifle

    .303 rifle

    7.62mm FN C1A1 battle rifle.

    7.62mm FN C2A1 squad automatic rifle

    9mm C1 SMG (sub-machine gun)

    7.62mm Browning C5 medium machine gun

    .50 Browning M2 heavy machine gun

    M72 LAW (light anti-tank weapon)

    M67 hand grenade

    I think that covers all of them, Sunshine.

    Good - you actually answered a question! I didn't ask about
    "handling" or "shooting" a gun, but about PURCHASING a gun. In the
    US you have to complete the six-page ATF Form 4473 before you can buy
    a gun from a firearms dealer.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473

    You should read your own cites:

    'If a person purchases a firearm from a private individual who is not a
    FFL licensed dealer, the purchaser is not required in most states to
    complete a Form 4473'

    And here's a little text I'm sure you'll fail to read:

    'The background check loophole, aka “gun show loophole,” refers to the scenario that, barring any additional requirements, prohibited
    purchasers (including violent offenders) are able to avoid background
    checks at gun shows by purchasing guns from unlicensed sellers and
    private individuals. “Private individuals” is a loose term under the Firearm Owners Protection Act that includes any private seller who does
    not rely on gun sales as the primary means of income.

    ➢ Pursuant to the Brady Act, if a vendor is a federally licensed
    firearms dealer (FFL), they are required to perform a background
    check prior to completing the sale of the firearm.

    o However, unlicensed sellers (vendors and private
    individuals) are also permitted to sell firearms at gun shows.
    As an unlicensed seller, that individual or vendor is not
    required to keep records of sales, and is not required to
    perform background checks. Thus, an individual who would be
    prohibited from purchasing a gun under federal law, such as a
    felon or domestic abuser, is be able to purchase a gun through
    an individual or unlicensed vendor.'



    This would have made it impossible for Oropeza to buy the weapon
    this way. You never answered HOW Oropeza gut the AR-15 because that
    has NOT been determined. Criminals like Oropeza have numerous ways to
    get a firearm that circumvents official roadblocks:

    Like purchasing from an individual or at a gun show...

    ...where there is no need to complete such a form.


    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf "Fewer than 1 in
    50 (less than 2%) of all prisoners had obtained a firearm from a
    retail source"

    "from a retail source"

    Notice that that doesn't say that fewer than 1 in 50 obtained a firearm LEGALLY.

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