Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:roverall.>> https://youtu.be/yM7Gzhout_g?t=636>>No current player plays with this much creative abandon, and lack of self-consciousness, as Fed did in matches like this.Alcaraz is the closest, but is becoming more restrained. For him, this is good because
On 3/20/24 8:54 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> autistic or on the spectrum, can't remember which one exactly.>>> But definitely watching him executing shots like this one (10:36) made me wonder how he viewed the tennis court and the mechanics of the game
Yes fully agree. The only one that I can watch now is Alcaraz. For me, Alcaraz creativity is driven by his superior foot speed that takes him wherever he needs to be at the right time. But also I feel his superior speed and physicality could be maskinghis creativity as well. Federer was very fast on his feet too but his magic felt as more creativity than speed, while with Alcaraz it feels as if it's more about speed than creativity, and both are very talented. So we will have to wait and see how
autistic or on the spectrum, can't remember which one exactly.
But definitely watching him executing shots like this one (10:36) made me wonder how he viewed the tennis court and the mechanics of the game overall.
https://youtu.be/yM7Gzhout_g?t=636
Here is another easy one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Here is another easy one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384
For backhand winners this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally felt like leaving my body when I saw it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnLdAeSXZv0&t=10m20s
Do you remember this? I feel it's pivotal, almost as much as those more well known points before that.
To charge like this, in moments like this, after being on the defense entire match, to have that ability, conviction and hitting a clean winner, it's amazing.
And without this point, they're back to being equal on serve, no mini-break, nothing.
Federer could have served two aces after this one, and he'd have had 3rd MP, on Djokovic's serve. Probably wins it, law of big numbers, odds and all of that.
So this backhand is the one.
Yours is a great shot, flashy.
On 22/03/2024 6:24 pm, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>> Here is another easy one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384> > > > For backhand winners this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally feltlike leaving my body when I saw it?> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnLdAeSXZv0&t=10m20s> > > Do you remember this? I feel it's pivotal, almost as much as those more well known points before that.> > To charge like this, in moments like this,
On 3/22/24 9:27 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 22/03/2024 6:24 pm, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>> Here is another easy one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384>those more well known points before that.> > To charge like this, in moments like this, after being on the defense entire match, to have that ability, conviction and hitting a clean winner, it's amazing.> > > And without this point, they're back to being
For backhand winners this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally felt like leaving my body when I saw it?> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnLdAeSXZv0&t=10m20s> > > Do you remember this? I feel it's pivotal, almost as much as
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:ryoutube.com/watch?v=mnLdAeSXZv0&t=10m20sDo you remember this? I feel it's pivotal, almost as much as those more well known points before that.To charge like this, in moments like this, after being on the defense entire match, to have that ability,
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> Here is another easy one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384For backhand winners this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally felt like leaving my body when I saw it?https://www.
The key points that made a huge difference in the final results was Djokovic taking advantage of Federer's slowness to defend his wide open forehand, so Djokovic made backhands dtl in the the three TB's that were the key to his success.
It's interesting watching Djokovic now at 36 going through the ups and downs losing to lucky loser and some other guys.
The body wouldn't be the same, sure he will have good days but he will start having many bad days.
On 3/22/24 9:27 AM, *skriptis wrote:
A tactical rather than a strategic shot.
It was awesome, and Nadal hit similar forehand pass point before that,
we had 2 amazing passes within seconds.
However Federer's backhand you mention is a forced shot, if you know
what I mean. He lost court position, Nadal forced him to go all or
nothing and Federer went for it and won it.
He wasn't attempting it.
It's like starting a conventional war, having the strategic plan break
down, then having serious reversals--the tables are turned--and getting
out of the situation with a theater level low yield nuke--which not
everyone else has to fall back on.
Whaddya think? :^)
On 3/23/24 1:39 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 23/03/2024 6:56 am, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On 3/22/24 9:27 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Whisper
<whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 22/03/2024 6:24 pm,
*skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in
message:>> Here is another easy
one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384> > > > For backhand winners
this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally felt like
leaving my body when I saw it?> > > >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnLdAeSXZv0&t=10m20s> > > Do you
remember this? I feel it's pivotal, almost as much as those more
well known points before that.> > To charge like this, in moments
like this, after being on the defense entire match, to have that
ability, conviction and hitting a clean winner, it's amazing.> > >
And without this point, they're back to being equal on serve, no
mini-break, nothing.> > Federer could have served two aces after
this one, and he'd have had 3rd MP, on Djokovic's serve. Probably
wins it, law of big numbers, odds and all of that.> > > So this
backhand is the one.> Yours is a great shot, flashy.> The most
memorable Federer shot for me is the rifled bh dtl he made mp down
in 2008 Wimbledon final v Rafa in 4th set. He won that set but lost
in 5 eventually. Had Fed gone on to win that final that bh would go
down in history as maybe the most important winner under pressure
(Nadal had come into the net on a good approach to Fed bh). He lost
anyway so it gets kinda forgotten, but sticks with me as it was so
stunning at that particular point in the match.>>> It was awesome,
and Nadal hit similar forehand pass point before that, we had 2
amazing passes within seconds.>> However Federer's backhand you
mention is a forced shot, if you know what I mean. He lost court
position, Nadal forced him to go all or nothing and Federer went for
it and won it.>> He wasn't attempting it.>>>>>A tactical rather than
a strategic shot.It's like starting a conventional war, having the
strategic plan break down, then having serious reversals--the tables
are turned--and getting out of the situation with a theater level
low yield nuke--which not everyone else has to fall back on.Whaddya
think? :^)
I agree. It's silly to discuss it, Federer hit one of the most
difficult shots, executed it perfectly, and frankly the way he saved
that match point is arguably even more spectacular than Djokovic at
2011 USO. Djokovic was almost hitting it out of frustration.
Yes I'll have to go back and review those back to back USO semis Novak
v Fed - at least 1 of those will have to go in my top 10 shots of the
century.
But overall, it was not backhand that Federer attempted, planned or
wanted to hit so I don't rate it as high as some others might.
The fact he had to improvise and produce an inch perfect backhand pass
with no room for error makes it more impressive.
Possessing this kind of shot-making ability tends to bail you out in
many defensive of neutral situations as they confront you. I'd say that
being in these situations regularly is due to putting strategy at a
lower level of priority. So what this would mean is that players like
Alcaraz and Federer can get themselves out of situations that most other placers cannot, and so they have less competitive pressure to develop strategy.
This would explain Pegula, who has only conventional skills, no special
stuff (of all players I've seen, Fed had the most "special" stuff), and
hence wins by asserting her strategy.
Sabelenka is a great example of no strategy. She has more limitations
than some, but she has so much constant power that she can win using
only opportunistic power, and little strategy.
So right now, Alcaraz's use of strategy is limited because he can bail himself out. In his most recent match vs Sinner, you saw him apply
strategy in the 2nd set when he went more often to the drop, which
basically turned the match around for him. With the successful drop
Sinner could no longer play deep and engage in extended rallies, which favored him.
What do you think?
On 3/24/24 3:56 AM, Whisper wrote:
It's a case of limited physical tools combined with a solid strategic
game and a relatively calm head, that unfortunately breaks sometimes,
like with Swiatek.
Pegula has gone as far as she can go, and then some.
Boy, I watched Shapovolov a couple of days back. A sad, sad story.
Showed considerable promise but has regressed steadily. I think he's
done now.
On 3/23/24 1:39 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 23/03/2024 6:56 am, *skriptis wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> On 3/22/24 9:27 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Whisper >>> <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 22/03/2024 6:24 pm, >>>*skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in >>> message:>> Here is another easy >>> one:https://youtu.be/7Wkb42Ksgjg?t=1384> > > > For backhand winners >>> this is the one that stays remembered forever. I literally felt like >>>
(Nadal had come into the net on a good approach to Fed bh). He lost >>> anyway so it gets kinda forgotten, but sticks with me as it was so >>> stunning at that particular point in the match.>>> It was awesome, >>> and Nadal hit similar forehand passpoint before that, we had 2 >>> amazing passes within seconds.>> However Federer's backhand you >>> mention is a forced shot, if you know what I mean. He lost court >>> position, Nadal forced him to go all or nothing and Federer went for >>> it and won
with a theater level >>> low yield nuke--which not everyone else has to fall back on.Whaddya >>> think? :^)>>>>>> I agree. It's silly to discuss it, Federer hit one of the most >> difficult shots, executed it perfectly, and frankly the way he saved >>He wasn't attempting it.>>>>>A tactical rather than >>> a strategic shot.It's like starting a conventional war, having the >>> strategic plan break down, then having serious reversals--the tables >>> are turned--and getting out of the situation
Your reply quoted the entire thread on a single line, nearly 825 words and 5000 characters. You see nothing wrong with that?Oh well!
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>> Your reply quoted the entire thread on a single line, nearly >> 825 words and 5000 characters. You see nothing wrong with that?> Oh well!>> Of course I sawwrong, that's the problem we're discussing, no?>> But now that the sig is gone, it works? Your post contained one long line containing the entire thread on it, all the hard newlines were slurped up and every line slopped together along with the angle
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why don't you pay him, it bothers you much more than us. ;) Fair enough, we'll see. Good to know that all it takes is a random tab, something invisible to the rest of us and yet your kryptonite :)
...the worst of all is Kyrgios, if only he'd had someone like Medvedev's coach around him to tell him "if you wise-up a bit you'll be top #3 and win slams or you can just hang around to the top 30 and that'll be it".
I fixed my sig because
a) it caused you an identified problem;
b) you did all the heavy lifting;
c) it was easy for me to fix; and
d) it helped you.
Why not?
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> Related to this, I went and looked for an alternative and found > PhoNews, but I did not get it to work for me. I think I would > need to narrow the> number of usenet groups that PhoNews tries to download fromthe > server (xlned.com). When I tried it, it seems to try to suck > down all of the> listed usenet group names, numbering in the thousands, so I > aborted. I found no way to simply specify > rec.sport.tennis. Maybe there is a way,> but I lost interest.
Still, there's a good chance these tabs will "pollute" entire threads for you and Pete (only). You can think of it as your toll for taking the selfish path.
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