• Re:USA getting desperate about China

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sun Mar 3 12:05:20 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:
    US is simply evil market manipulator.



    As they say in Croatia:

    "Good Morning Columbus"



    (Variant of Captain Obvious).




    However, "evil market manipulation" is still considered if not fair play, then at least "civilized" manner how to screw someone.

    It's kinda like gamesmanship in tennis, bathroom breaks, etc.

    That's ok really.

    It's business after all. That's Trump's way.



    What we don't want is Gunther Parche and stabbing, no?

    And Jewish USA is doing that too to other countries.


    Look at the wars. Murdering people, destroying human life and property. That's Biden, Obama, Hillary, Bush, Clinton way...


    That's very bad and much worse than "market manipulation".



    However it will end soon. Trump failed to bring common sense to USA and world has united to crush evil Jewish USA regime.


    Russia is waving war on behalf of the free world, China and others are behind.

    We are all one now.



    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/24/analysis-wall-of-brics-the-significance-of-adding-six-new-members


    The bloc, which was formed in 2009 with Brazil, Russia, India and China, first expanded to admit South Africa in 2010.

    Now, it is says it is seeking to grow a stronger coalition of developing nations who can better put the interests of the Global South on the world’s agenda.

    Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have been invited to join as full members from January 1 next year.



    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-05-16/Growth-contribution-from-BRICS-countries-is-outpacing-that-of-the-G7-1jQYXgcMIOQ/img/3fb43564e05b4c9f8264ca350703969b/3fb43564e05b4c9f8264ca350703969b.jpeg






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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 13:09:48 2024
    TT kirjoitti 3.3.2024 klo 12.50:
    Biden is worried that Chinese electric cars pose a national security
    risk, investigation has been launched... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-says-investigate-national-security-data-risks-chinese-vehicles-2024-02-29/

    That's just ridiculous. US doesn't even really have Chinese electric
    vehicles due to 25% tariffs.

    US claims Chinese EVs, Huawei, Laptops, Phones, tiktok etc are a
    security threat. Basically all Chinese technology. Also selling to China latest semiconductors or their manufacturing equipment is banned
    worldwide because "security threats". By what right...

    Meanwhile China is manufacturing American Iphones & Teslas...

    Fun fact: Xiaomi phone has 5nm "banned" chip from American Qualcomm. Apparently some US firms can sell 5nm chips to China after all. But
    Taiwanese TSMC can't sell them to China & Dutch firm ASML can't sell lithography machines to manufacture them...

    US is simply evil market manipulator.



    As for Chinese military scare, promoted by US media, army & politicians.

    Looks that it's US that is the aggressor... having all those military
    bases on China's doorsteps...

    https://solidarity.net.au/highlights/us-bases-positioned-war-china/

    US state sponsored smear campaign against China...

    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/china-news/21091-a-500-million-dollar-business-america-s-state-sponsored-anti-china-propaganda.html

    Evil, evil, evil.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 12:50:43 2024
    Biden is worried that Chinese electric cars pose a national security
    risk, investigation has been launched... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-says-investigate-national-security-data-risks-chinese-vehicles-2024-02-29/

    That's just ridiculous. US doesn't even really have Chinese electric
    vehicles due to 25% tariffs.

    US claims Chinese EVs, Huawei, Laptops, Phones, tiktok etc are a
    security threat. Basically all Chinese technology. Also selling to China
    latest semiconductors or their manufacturing equipment is banned
    worldwide because "security threats". By what right...

    Meanwhile China is manufacturing American Iphones & Teslas...

    Fun fact: Xiaomi phone has 5nm "banned" chip from American Qualcomm.
    Apparently some US firms can sell 5nm chips to China after all. But
    Taiwanese TSMC can't sell them to China & Dutch firm ASML can't sell lithography machines to manufacture them...

    US is simply evil market manipulator.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 20:58:30 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 3.3.2024 klo 18.49:
    On 3/3/24 2:50 AM, TT wrote:
    Biden is worried that Chinese electric cars pose a national security
    risk, investigation has been launched...
    https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-says-investigate-national-security-data-risks-chinese-vehicles-2024-02-29/

    That's just ridiculous. US doesn't even really have Chinese electric
    vehicles due to 25% tariffs.

    US claims Chinese EVs, Huawei, Laptops, Phones, tiktok etc are a
    security threat. Basically all Chinese technology. Also selling to
    China latest semiconductors or their manufacturing equipment is banned
    worldwide because "security threats". By what right...

    Meanwhile China is manufacturing American Iphones & Teslas...

    Fun fact: Xiaomi phone has 5nm "banned" chip from American Qualcomm.
    Apparently some US firms can sell 5nm chips to China after all. But
    Taiwanese TSMC can't sell them to China & Dutch firm ASML can't sell
    lithography machines to manufacture them...

    US is simply evil market manipulator.


    What companies based in the US can manufacture at 5nm critical
    dimensions? I think companies like ARM and Nvideo are probably fabless, farming out the foundry stuff to TSMC.


    Yes. No US firm can make 5nm. Only Intel can make 7nm.

    The only ones able to make 5nm are South Korean Samsung & Taiwanese
    TSMC. Chinese SMIC can also make 7nm chips using older 50% more
    expensive technology, and will apparently be able to make 5nm this year
    but again using the more expensive technology.

    TSMC is working on moving to 3nm technology. Apparently they're 5 years
    ahead of mainland China. But I don't know if with Chinese technology it
    is even possible to manufacture 3nm - as Dutch lithography machine
    company ASML can't sell the latest machines to China - Pretty ridiculous
    isn't it, the Dutch & EU serving US interests here...

    I don't see how that's fair. Certainly not good for ASML or TSMC either. Chinese markets are massive. Not to mention the inexistent shipping
    costs for TSMC...

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    If you're interested in diversification of your portfolio and at the
    same time conservative investing on semiconductor manufacturing industry there's this etf called "iShares MSCI EM Asia"...

    https://www.ishares.com/uk/individual/en/products/253723/ishares-msci-em-asia-ucits-etf

    27% China (including A-shares) - incredibly undervalued atm
    23% India - currently expensive but maybe growth potential
    21% Taiwan - high tech etc
    16% South Korea - high tech
    2.5% Indonesia (apparently massive growth potential)
    +Thailand (massive ladyboy potential), Malaysia, Other

    ...10% of it is TSMC & 5% Samsung... which are not overly expensive at
    all. Certainly not at US AI-tech prices...
    Some other small positions on Asian chips such as 1% on Korean SK Hynix
    which is making memory chips.

    So I think a rather good diversification fund with a touch of
    semiconductor boom... unless you're afraid that China attacks Taiwan...
    which I don't think will happen, but if it did, would anyway crash all
    world mar
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 4 00:05:33 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 3.3.2024 klo 23.37:
    This might be the width of the etch, or the proximity of the gates to
    any other artifact.

    Yes, apparently it's the latter.

    "The 5 nm designation represents the minimum distance between components
    (such as transistors) on the chip. Smaller feature sizes allow for more transistors to be packed into a given area, leading to improved
    performance and energy efficiency.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 3 23:35:55 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 3.3.2024 klo 23.15:
    5nm is nothing but a marketing term...

    So you're saying that the actual chip is larger than 5nm?
    :-P

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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