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On 28/02/2024 20:15, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:>> Was [Ruud] just never really all that good?> > I haven't watched him lately, but he was in at> least two Grand Slam finals. In Roland Garros> he lost to Nadal and
the final set was devastating> 6-0.> > Alcaraz beat him in the US Open final. The stakes> in that match were high as the winner would also> reach #1 ATP Ranking. Ruud lost but got to #2.> > He was good, but apparently his level of play> has declined.yes
he put a lot of work in to get to those finals and well deserved it, but he just hasn't got the power vs the bigger guys and 2nd he hates grass. He had the best attitude out of all the younger players, but obviously got annoyed/upset about what happened
in those finals. He should've gone away and kept at the same level or tried to improve, he may well get lucky and win a slam like Sinner. Ruud would've least been in all semi-finals if he'd done that.
Out of 3 slam finals...
His real shot was USO 2022.
It was his second final (following FO 2022), he wasn't that young and Alcaraz was inexperienced.
He would have been #1 as well.
FO 2022 vs Nadal and FO 2023 vs Djokovic are not missed chances of the same magnitude imo.
Overall, by some stats, Ruud is second greatest player in open era without a grand slam title. First is Roche but, Roche won a slam in amateurs so maybe Ruud is the most unfortunate in history?
Playing all of his slam finals vs top greats (Nadal, Djokovic and if Alcaraz is to become one)
I'll post my stats but first to get yourself acquainted with the system.
Novak Đoković 24364858
Rafael Nadal 22303847
Roger Federer 20314658
Pete Sampras 14182329
Numbers are: AABBCCDD
AA - titles
BB - finals reached
CC - semis reached
DD - quarters reached
(This system is based on the fact that it's impossible for anyone to reach more than 99 QFs. If that happens, it will have to be readjusted to AAABBBCCCDDD).
So now that you know how it works. Slam stats, guys with multiple slam finals without a title of course. Open era.
Tony Roche 30812
Casper Ruud 30303
Todd Martin 20610
Stefanos Tsitsipas 20607
Cédric Pioline 20408
Miloslav Mečíř 20407
Àlex Corretja 20306
Kevin Curren 20304
Robin Söderling 20206
Mark Philippoussis 20205
Kevin Anderson 20203
Steve Denton 20202
Bizarre Ruud stat is, whenever he made it to the QF, he went on to make the finals.
As you can see from numbers.
I'll post the rest of this fun stat.
Players who made only 1 slam final (without a win of course).
Tomáš Berdych 10717
Alexander Zverev 10711
David Ferrer 10617
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 10615
Tom Okker 10511
David Nalbandian 10510
Henri Leconte 10409
Harold Solomon 10406
Kei Nishikori 10312
Milos Raonic 10310
Alex Metreveli 10308
Matteo Berrettini 10306
Fernando González 10207
Phil Dent 10205
Brian Gottfried 10205
Andrei Medvedev 10205
Dick Crealy 10204
Guillermo Coria 10204
Željko Franulović 10203
Patrick Proisy 10203
Magnus Norman 10203
Marcos Baghdatis 10203
Víctor Pecci,Sr. 10202
Rainer Schüttler 10202
Marcelo Ríos 10106
Onny Parun 10105
Kim Warwick 10104
Nick Kyrgios 10104
John Lloyd 10103
John Sadri 10103
Thomas Enqvist 10103
Arnaud Clément 10103
Nikola Pilić 10102
Mikael Pernfors 10102
Alberto Berasategui 10102
MaliVai Washington 10102
Greg Rusedski 10102
Mal Anderson 10101
John Marks 10101
Chris Lewis 10101
Martin Verkerk 10101
Mariano Puerta 10101
Players without a title, final but multiple semis.
Tim Henman 610
Nikolay Davydenko 410
Sébastien Grosjean 409
Tommy Haas 408
Raúl Ramírez 309
Grigor Dimitrov 306
John Alexander 305
Richard Gasquet 305
Cliff Richey 304
Roger Taylor 304
Tom Gorman 303
Hank Pfister 303
Gaël Monfils 210
Tim Mayotte 209
Eddie Dibbs 207
Jonas Björkman 207
Mikhail Youzhny 206
Clark Graebner 205
Wayne Ferreira 205
Karen Khachanov 205
Ray Ruffels 204
Dick Stockton 204
José Higueras 204
Aaron Krickstein 204
Pablo Carreño Busta 204
Corrado Barazzutti 203
Slobodan Živojinović 203
Jonas Svensson 203
Wally Masur 203
José Luis Clerc 202
Players who reached 1 semi at most.
Anders Järryd 105
Sjeng Schalken 105
Nicolas Kiefer 105
Diego Schwartzman 105
Dennis Ralston 104
Colin Dibley 104
Peter McNamara 104
Andrei Chesnokov 104
Magnus Larsson 104
Dominik Hrbatý 104
Mario Ančić 104
Fernando Verdasco 104
Sam Querrey 104
Sandy Mayer 103
Ross Case 103
Bill Scanlon 103
David Wheaton 103
Karel Nováček 103
Karol Kučera 103
Nicolas Escudé 103
John Isner 103
Lucas Pouille 103
Félix Auger-Aliassime 103
Frances Tiafoe 103
Pancho Gonzales 102
Bob Lutz 102
Frank Froehling 102
François Jauffret 102
Bob Giltinan 102
Pat DuPre 102
Rod Frawley 102
Paul McNamee 102
Jimmy Arias 102
Patrick McEnroe 102
Alexander Volkov 102
Marc Rosset 102
Filip Dewulf 102
Félix Mantilla 102
Nicolás Lapentti 102
Ivan Ljubičić 102
Ernests Gulbis 102
Roberto Bautista Agut 102
Hubert Hurkacz 102
Ben Shelton 102
Georges Goven 101
Allan Stone 101
Karl Meiler 101
Victor Amaya 101
Christophe Roger-Vasselin 101
Ben Testerman 101
Darren Cahill 101
Jan Gunnarsson 101
Mark Woodforde 101
Jason Stoltenberg 101
Todd Woodbridge 101
Fernando Meligeni 101
Franco Squillari 101
Vladimir Voltchkov 101
Jiří Novák 101
Xavier Malisse 101
Joachim Johansson 101
Robby Ginepri 101
Jürgen Melzer 101
Jerzy Janowicz 101
Kyle Edmund 101
Chung Hyeon 101
Marco Cecchinato 101
Aslan Karatsev 101
Dennis Shapovalov 101
Cameron Norrie 101
Tommy Paul 101
And finally, players who didn't reach even a semi but have multiple QFs.
Andrey Rublev 10
Tommy Robredo 7
Guy Forget 5
Roy Emerson 4
Fred Stolle 4
Wojciech Fibak 4
Vijay Amritraj 4
Eliot Teltscher 4
Gene Mayer 4
Younes El Aynaoui 4
Hicham Arazi 4
Nicolás Almagro 4
Feliciano López 4
David Goffin 4
Butch Buchholz 3
Cliff Drysdale 3
Hans Gildemeister 3
Joakim Nyström 3
Ramesh Krishnan 3
Andrei Cherkasov 3
Christian Bergström 3
Guillermo Cañas 3
James Blake 3
Jarkko Nieminen 3
Juan Ignacio Chela 3
Mardy Fish 3
Holger Rune 3
Taylor Fritz 3
Marty Riessen 2
John Cooper 2
Bob Carmichael 2
Raymond Moore 2
Peter Rennert 2
Balázs Taróczy 2
Tomáš Šmíd 2
Heinz Günthardt 2
Michiel Schapers 2
Emilio Sánchez 2
Jay Berger 2
Brad Gilbert 2
Thierry Champion 2
Goran Prpić 2
Jaime Yzaga 2
Jacco Eltingh 2
Bernd Karbacher 2
Javier Sánchez 2
Byron Black 2
Alexander Popp 2
Florian Mayer 2
Janko Tipsarević 2
Gilles Simon 2
Gilles Müller 2
Tennys Sandgren 2
Denis Shapovalov 2
I'll skip players with a single QF. There are many.
Just to inform you, first one is Ion Tirac (he is chronologically the first with a single QF) and the last one (newest) is Roman Saffiulin.
So the king of the losers are.
Most QF, SF or F but never beyond:
Rublev, 10 QF
Henman, 6 SF
Roche (or Ruud), 3 timed runner-up
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