• Jannik Sinner in a winning streak

    From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 17:20:03 2024
    Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4
    to claim ATP500 Rotterdam title. As far as I
    know, his winning streak is now 12 matches
    (7 wins in the Australian open and 5 more in
    Rotterdam).

    I checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seems
    to me that Daniil Medvedev lost 500 points
    and Sinner gained 200. Sinner's championship
    is just enough for reaching #3 in the ATP
    Rankings. The difference between Sinner and
    Medvedev is only 5 ATP points.

    Well done, Sinner! You are now a Grand Slam
    men's singles champion and you also have reached
    The Top Three in the ATP Rankings!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Feb 19 19:35:44 2024
    On 19/02/2024 4:20 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4
    to claim ATP500 Rotterdam title. As far as I
    know, his winning streak is now 12 matches
    (7 wins in the Australian open and 5 more in
    Rotterdam).

    I checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seems
    to me that Daniil Medvedev lost 500 points
    and Sinner gained 200. Sinner's championship
    is just enough for reaching #3 in the ATP
    Rankings. The difference between Sinner and
    Medvedev is only 5 ATP points.

    Well done, Sinner! You are now a Grand Slam
    men's singles champion and you also have reached
    The Top Three in the ATP Rankings!

    br,
    KK


    1st Italian man ever to make top 3

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Feb 19 15:08:35 2024
    On 19.2.2024 14.10, The Iceberg wrote:
    On 19/02/2024 06:02, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:31:13 PM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4to claim ATP500
    Rotterdam title. As far as Iknow, his winning streak is now 12
    matches(7 wins in the Australian open and 5 more inRotterdam).I
    checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seemsto me that Daniil Medvedev
    lost 500 pointsand Sinner gained 200. Sinner's championshipis just
    enough for reaching #3 in the ATPRankings. The difference between
    Sinner andMedvedev is only 5 ATP points.Well done, Sinner! You are
    now a Grand Slammen's singles champion and you also have reachedThe
    Top Three in the ATP Rankings!br,KK

    It's nice to have someone new in the mix that can challenge Djokovic
    since Alcaraz is a little lost these days.

    I still would like to see Sinner repeating this win against Djokovic
    in any of the next few slams because I think Djokovic played really
    bad that day. I know he is getting older and will have more bad days,
    but his level that day was awful.

    Haven't you heard? Father Time caught up with Djokovic that day,
    reducing him from superman to average schmoe in a heartbeat.  Once
    thus caught, he can never go back because Father Time has him by the
    monogalooloos. There will never be another slam or even a slam final
    for Djokovic.

    yes but that's also because Sinner is the NEW YOUNG GUN of tennis, he's
    about to win every slam for the next 10 years at least!

    I think he can snatch the crumbs Alcatraz leaves on the table. Those
    crumbs still make about 10 slams. Not too shabby.

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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 21:52:17 2024
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 21:53:05 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 19.2.2024 klo 18.39:
    On 2/19/24 4:10 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On 19/02/2024 06:02, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:31:13 PM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4to claim ATP500
    Rotterdam title. As far as Iknow, his winning streak is now 12
    matches(7 wins in the Australian open and 5 more inRotterdam).I
    checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seemsto me that Daniil
    Medvedev lost 500 pointsand Sinner gained 200. Sinner's
    championshipis just enough for reaching #3 in the ATPRankings. The
    difference between Sinner andMedvedev is only 5 ATP points.Well
    done, Sinner! You are now a Grand Slammen's singles champion and
    you also have reachedThe Top Three in the ATP Rankings!br,KK

    It's nice to have someone new in the mix that can challenge Djokovic
    since Alcaraz is a little lost these days.

    I still would like to see Sinner repeating this win against Djokovic
    in any of the next few slams because I think Djokovic played really
    bad that day. I know he is getting older and will have more bad
    days, but his level that day was awful.

    Haven't you heard? Father Time caught up with Djokovic that day,
    reducing him from superman to average schmoe in a heartbeat. Once
    thus caught, he can never go back because Father Time has him by the
    monogalooloos. There will never be another slam or even a slam final
    for Djokovic.

    yes but that's also because Sinner is the NEW YOUNG GUN of tennis,
    he's about to win every slam for the next 10 years at least!

    Yes!

    Exactly like Alcaraz!!!


    Let's not forget Raducanu either.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 21:20:32 2024
    Gracchus kirjoitti 19.2.2024 klo 8.02:
    On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:31:13 PM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4to claim ATP500 Rotterdam title. As far as Iknow, his winning streak is now 12 matches(7 wins in the Australian open and 5 more inRotterdam).I checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seemsto me that Daniil
    Medvedev lost 500 pointsand Sinner gained 200. Sinner's championshipis just enough for reaching #3 in the ATPRankings. The difference between Sinner andMedvedev is only 5 ATP points.Well done, Sinner! You are now a Grand Slammen's singles champion and
    you also have reachedThe Top Three in the ATP Rankings!br,KK

    It's nice to have someone new in the mix that can challenge Djokovic since Alcaraz is a little lost these days.

    I still would like to see Sinner repeating this win against Djokovic in any of the next few slams because I think Djokovic played really bad that day. I know he is getting older and will have more bad days, but his level that day was awful.

    Haven't you heard? Father Time caught up with Djokovic that day, reducing him from superman to average schmoe in a heartbeat. Once thus caught, he can never go back because Father Time has him by the monogalooloos. There will never be another slam or
    even a slam final for Djokovic.


    That's how it goes in tennis.

    I've even heard players getting old at ripe age of 27 when losing a
    Wimbledon final to a 500 times RG champion.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 20:09:50 2024
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 20 11:23:40 2024
    Whisper kirjoitti 20.2.2024 klo 11.09:
    On 20/02/2024 6:08 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/19/24 8:36 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Pelle Svanslös
    <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r>> On 19.2.2024 14.10, The
    Iceberg wrote:> On 19/02/2024 06:02, Gracchus wrote:>> On Sunday,
    February 18, 2024 at 5:31:13PM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:>>>
    kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r>>>> Jannik
    Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5 6-4to claim ATP500 >>>> Rotterdam
    title. As far as Iknow, his winning streak is now 12 >>>> matches(7
    wins in the Australian open and 5 more inRotterdam).I >>>> checked
    out ATP Live Rankings and it seemsto me that Daniil Medvedev >>>>
    lost 500 pointsand Sinner gained 200. Sinner's championshipis just
    enough for reaching #3 in the ATPRankings. The difference
    between >>>> Sinner andMedvedev is only 5 ATP points.Well done,
    Sinner! You are >>>> now a Grand Slammen's singles champion and you
    also have reachedThe >>>> Top Three in the ATP Rankings!br,KK>>>>>>
    It's nice to have someone new in the mix that can challenge Djokovic
    since Alcaraz is a little lost these days.>>>>> I still would
    like to see Sinner repeating this win against Djokovic >>> in any of
    the next few slams because I think Djokovic played really >>> bad
    that day. I know he is getting older and will have more bad days, >>>
    but his level that day was awful.>>>> Haven't you heard? Father Time
    caught up with Djokovic that day, >> reducing him from superman to
    average schmoe in a heartbeat.  Once >> thus caught, he can never go
    back because Father Time has him by the >> monogalooloos. There will
    never be another slam or even a slam final >> for Djokovic.> > yes
    but that's also because Sinner is the NEW YOUNG GUN of tennis, he's >
    about to win every slam for the next 10 years at least!I think he can
    snatch the crumbs Alcatraz leaves on the table. Those crumbs still
    make about 10 slams. Not too shabby.-- "And off they went, from here
    to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional>
    Based on their current levels of play, I give Sinner 55% to beat>
    Alcaraz on hc, Alcaraz 55% chance on grass vs Sinner, and give>
    Alcaraz very tiny edge on clay vs Sinner (like 51-52%).This seems
    like the makings of a great longer term rivalry, if they remain
    healthy.--
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    I think Alcaraz is more talented but for now his game plan is only
    about hitting winners through the defense of other players and when it
    doesn't work he gets reduced to a confused little kid looking at his
    coach for solutions.
    He doesn't have the different game plans yet to handle different
    playing styles, and I don't know if he will develop this or not, but
    if he did he will dominate everyone else.


    Alcaraz simply plays on instinct and has no clear strategy.  He's so talented he's already won Wimbledon and USO anyway.  You do need
    instinct to achiever at the goat level, but you also need
    strategy/tactics to get through the meat and potato games. Imo he needs
    a good tactical coach, can keep Ferrero as a mentor.

    Ferrero said couple years ago that he's not coaching tactics but letting
    Alkie play freely, on instinct. Reading between the lines it sounds to
    me that Ferrero thought trying to make Alkie a thinking player would be
    a lost cause.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Feb 21 15:52:39 2024
    On 21/02/2024 5:11 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 2/20/24 1:23 AM, TT wrote:

    Taking that and running with it, looking back it becomes clear that his talent is so great that even with very sloppy, or non-existent tactical
    or even strategic sense, could could beat almost anyone in profession al tennis, especially before they played him enough to come up with
    strategies to counter his tendencies.

    This allowed opponents to play him closer, and if we add to that either
    a mechanically off day, or a special number of boneheaded plays, he now
    loses some.

    But he's still maybe the best raw talent I've seen. And I think he's
    likely to become smarter, over time.



    Yes, or at least surround himself with smarter people who know how to
    get the best out of him. His team is excellent but not complete.

    It's funny because what many of us thought was innate strategic ability
    eg his amazing charges to net from behind baseline on big points v
    Sinner and Ruud in 2022 USO was really just his instinct. Instinct and
    talent can be enough to win big slams, but not enough to wring
    everything you can out of this game.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 21 10:12:42 2024
    Whisper kirjoitti 21.2.2024 klo 6.30:
    On 21/02/2024 4:16 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 20/02/2024 6:08 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Sawfish
    <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 2/19/24 8:36 AM,
    PeteWasLucky wrote:> Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in
    message:r>> On 19.2.2024 14.10, The Iceberg wrote:> On 19/02/2024
    06:02, Gracchus wrote:>> On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 5:31:13PM
    UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:>>> kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen)
    Wrote in message:r>>>> Jannik Sinner just beat Alex De Minaur 7-5
    6-4to claim ATP500 >>>> Rotterdam title. As far as Iknow, his winning
    streak is now 12 >>>> matches(7 wins in the Australian open and 5
    more inRotterdam).I >>>> checked out ATP Live Rankings and it seemsto
    me that Daniil Medvedev >>>> lost 500 pointsand Sinner gained 200.
    Sinner's championshipis just >>>> enough for reaching #3 in the
    ATPRankings. The difference between >>>> Sinner andMedvedev is only 5
    ATP points.Well done, Sinner! You are >>>> now a Grand Slammen's
    singles champion and you also have reachedThe >>>> Top Three in the
    ATP Rankings!br,KK>>>>>> It's nice to have someone new in the mix
    that can challenge Djokovic >>> since Alcaraz is a little lost these
    days.>>>>> I still would like to see Sinner repeating this win
    against Djokovic >>> in any of the next few slams because I think
    Djokovic played really >>> bad that day. I know he is getting older
    and will have more bad days, >>> but his level that day was
    awful.>>>> Haven't you heard? Father Time caught up with Djokovic
    that day, >> reducing him from superman to average schmoe in a
    heartbeat.  Once >> thus caught, he can never go back because Father
    Time has him by the >> monogalooloos. There will never be another
    slam or even a slam final >> for Djokovic.> > yes but that's also
    because Sinner is the NEW YOUNG GUN of tennis, he's > about to win
    every slam for the next 10 years at least!I think he can snatch the
    crumbs Alcatraz leaves on the table. Those crumbs still make about 10
    slams. Not too shabby.-- "And off they went, from here to there,The
    bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional> Based on their
    current levels of play, I give Sinner 55% to beat>   Alcaraz on hc,
    Alcaraz 55% chance on grass vs Sinner, and give>   Alcaraz very tiny
    edge on clay vs Sinner (like 51-52%).This seems like the makings of a
    great longer term rivalry, if they remain healthy.--
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Sawfish: A totally unreconstructed elasmobranch.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > I think Alcaraz is more talented but for now his
    game plan is only about hitting winners through the defense of other players and when it doesn't work he gets reduced to a confused little kid looking at his coach for solutions.> He doesn't have the different game plans yet to handle different playing
    styles, and I don't know if he will develop this or not, but if he did he will dominate everyone else.Alcaraz simply plays on instinct and has no clear strategy.  He's so talented he's already won Wimbledon and USO anyway.  You do need instinct to
    achiever at the goat level, but you also need strategy/tactics to get through the meat and potato games. Imo he needs a good tactical coach, can keep Ferrero as a mentor.

    Does Ferrero have what Alcaraz needs in the next stages of his career?


    Ferrero is still needed as a small cog in a bigger wheel, bit like Goran
    and Djokovic relationship.  Carlos needs a real strategic coach not just
    a mentor if he's going to really maximize his success. If he doesn't
    change anything he'll still win a few slams, but only a 3rd of what he's fully capable of, and Sinner could also dominate Carlos with no changes.

    So we need to downgrade Alkie's slam total to 7?

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