• Re: OT: Alexei Navalny, long a thorn in Russian leader Vladimir Putin's

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Feb 16 21:14:23 2024
    On 16.2.2024 20.38, bmoore wrote:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/

    He was 47.

    I never understood why he had to go back. Lenin led a comfy life in
    Germany before he was ferried back for the revolution. Navalnyi could of
    done the same.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Feb 16 19:48:18 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/He was 47.



    It hurts you so much that he won't be able to destroy Russia now, doesn't it?




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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 16 22:50:44 2024
    bmoore kirjoitti 16.2.2024 klo 20.38:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/

    He was 47.

    Old age is probably out of the question then.

    Putin will hopefully get what's coming to him, and I'm sure his
    opponents will show as little mercy as he had for his opponents.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Fri Feb 16 22:00:51 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    bmoore kirjoitti 16.2.2024 klo 20.38:> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/> > He was 47.Old age is probably out of the question then.Putin will hopefully get what's coming to him,
    and I'm sure his opponents will show as little mercy as he had for his opponents.



    https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/entertainment/snoop-doggs-brother-bing-worthington-dead-at-44/



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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Sat Feb 17 05:42:59 2024
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-
    navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>>
    You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more
    utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?



    What are you blabbering about?

    Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.

    What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 09:02:44 2024
    *skriptis kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 6.42:
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-
    navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>>
    You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more
    utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?



    What are you blabbering about?

    Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.


    He did not commit crimes, those were made up charges to silence him up.

    Putin ordered him killed, hence the prison change.

    What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?

    To Putin and Trump, I suspect.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sat Feb 17 09:47:16 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 6.42:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote:>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/16/24 10:
    38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/>>>>>>>> He was 47.>>> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this.>> Well, an autocrat may well have
    murdered his opposition. Certainly a>> possibility, given what we know about Putin.>> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that> will never be answered, cannot be answered.>> I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not
    moralistic viewpoint.I didn't make anything a moral question. What could be more utilitarianthan the identification of what the absence of the rule of law, or thedereliction of duty of those that apply the law, can lead to?> > > > What are you
    blabbering about?> > Navalny commited crimes and was serving his sentence.> He did not commit crimes, those were made up charges to silence him up.Putin ordered him killed, hence the prison change.> What absence of the rule of law are you referring to?To
    Putin and Trump, I suspect.



    lol


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Feb 17 15:52:58 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/
    news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility,
    given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders
    people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...



    A birdie told you that Putin killed him?

    Or was it Jewish owned media?



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 17:13:08 2024
    On 17.2.2024 16.52, *skriptis wrote:
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/
    news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility,
    given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders
    people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...



    A birdie told you that Putin killed him?

    As with his own two hands.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Feb 17 16:33:52 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024
    at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone
    here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be
    answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish
    owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said
    Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend that a “horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny
    is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by appeasing them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most
    significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny
    joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died under mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home
    in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin died from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret
    service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing
    the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents.




    Politico, lol



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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Feb 17 16:43:54 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:33:55 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday,
    February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:> On 2/16/24 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/
    2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what
    we know about Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try
    to cross him? I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.
    com/news/2024/02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend
    that a “horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by
    appeasing them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-
    year anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died
    under mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin
    died from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the
    Wagner mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents. > > > > >
    Politico, lolTwistis, lolouder.



    Will you finally post something of significance if you want to discuss?

    Or not?


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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 18 00:13:38 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 23.07:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    Oh, no. I've never said that, Ice. It's a war and Trump gives them
    ammunition all the time. You can see that for sure.

    Look. I feel about the same as you do about people like Biden and his
    ilk, but just because Trump is his enemy does not make Trump OK, by
    any stretch. Trump's got his own brand of shit.

    Oddly, I'd be willing to bet you have a lot more in common with Biden
    than Trump when it comes to principles, values and beliefs. You're just
    so enmeshed in "culture war" you can't admit it.

    Why can't you people pick a nominee that can walk & chew gum at the same time...

    Someone like Blinken, for example.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sun Feb 18 00:52:48 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    jdeluise kirjoitti 17.2.2024 klo 23.07:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> >> Oh, no. I've never said that, Ice. It's a war and Trump gives them>> ammunition all the time. You can see that for sure.>>>> Look. I feel about the same as you do about
    people like Biden and his>> ilk, but just because Trump is his enemy does not make Trump OK, by>> any stretch. Trump's got his own brand of shit.> > Oddly, I'd be willing to bet you have a lot more in common with Biden> than Trump when it comes to
    principles, values and beliefs. You're just> so enmeshed in "culture war" you can't admit it.Why can't you people pick a nominee that can walk & chew gum at the same time...Someone like Blinken, for example.


    Of course you want Jew.


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Fri Feb 23 17:20:11 2024
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    On 23.2.2024 17.57, The Iceberg wrote:> On 21/02/2024 17:13, bmoore wrote:>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 8:46:11 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:>>> On 2/17/24 7:38 AM, bmoore wrote:>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 7:33:55 AM UTC-8, *skriptis
    wrote:>>>>> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r>>>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-8, *skriptis >>>>>> wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, >>>>>> February 16, 2024 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-8, Sawfish
    wrote:> On 2/16/24 >>>>>> 2:40 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at >>>>>> 11:01:07 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 2/16/24 10:38 AM, bmoore >>>>>> wrote: > >>> >>>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/16/alexei-
    navalny-putin-critic-dies-in-prison/72625624007/ > >>> > >>> He was 47. > >> It's difficult to see why anyone here should acre about this. > > Well, an autocrat may well have murdered his opposition. Certainly a possibility, given what we know about
    Putin.> You're missing my point. You're making this into a moral question that > will never be answered, cannot be answered. > > I'm coming at it from a utilitarian, not moralistic viewpoint. You don't mind that Putin murders people who try to cross him?
    I know, it's way over there in Russia, but still...> A birdie told you that Putin killed him? > > Or was it Jewish owned media?Riiight. He must have tripped. Believe whatever you want but don't count on anyone to agree. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/
    02/16/canadas-un-ambassador-on-putins-hit-list-this-is-a-regime-that-murders-its-opponents-00142028Rae said Navalny’s death sends a “critical message” to global leaders gathering in Munch for an annual defense conference this weekend that a “
    horrendously destructive tyrant remains in charge of a significant government in the world.”Russia’s tyranny is causing enormous hardship to its own people, and to the people of the world, Rae said. “You don’t succeed against tyrants by appeasing
    them. You succeed against tyrants by defeating them.”Navalny, 47, who was seen around the world as the most significant domestic political opponent to Putin, is reported to have died in a Siberian prison today.It comes a week ahead of the two-year
    anniversary of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and a month ahead of the presidential election.Rae said Navalny joins a long list of regime opponents “whose death over which Putin has presided.”Many of those who fell out of Putin’s favor died under
    mysterious circumstances. The ambassador made a list: Businessman Boris Berezovsky was found dead in his home in 2013, former deputy prime minister Boris Nemtsov was shot dead near the Kremlin in 2015, former Russian press minister Mikhail Lesin died
    from blunt-force trauma in 2015, journalist Anna Politkovskaya was murdered in an elevator in 2006 and secret service defector Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned to death with polonium the same year.More recently, Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner
    mercenary group who attempted and failed at a coup, died in a jet plane crash near Moscow.“It’s astonishing the number of people who have been killed,” Rae said “It’s incredible. This is a regime that murders its opponents.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Politico, lol>>>> Twistis, lolouder.>>> OK. I see what's going on...same old, same old. The topic could have>>> been Justin Troudeau wearing plaids and stripes together.>>>>>> I'm slow on the uptake this AM...>>>> Not really, just tired of the lazy
    practice of "refuting" an argument >> by dismissing the publication as LOL and leaving it at that, as >> Twistis and others here like to do.> > the publications usually are trash, far left biased trash. The giveaway > is the liars claim this was a
    political murder by Putin Putin = crim.> ALL THE WHILE > denying that the prosecution of Trump is clearly politically motivated. Twump = crim.If you have rule of law, crims are persecuted. If no rule of law, crims persecute.-- "And off they went, from
    here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional



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