On 2/6/2024 7:39 PM, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I assume that Becker has his own issues to deal with, pretty much what
he stated in the above post.
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On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I had a gut feeling this was on the cards. I spoke with Rune's mum
about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too
bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid
top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the
shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has
a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.

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On 7.2.2024 10.56, The Iceberg wrote:

On 07/02/2024 02:14, Scall5 wrote:

On 2/6/2024 7:39 PM, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I assume that Becker has his own issues to deal with, pretty much what
he stated in the above post.

yes agree, Becker seems quite an easy going guy who would be happy to
keep coaching Rune if he could do.

He could be a bit too easy-going. Being a liberal at the wrong place at
the wrong time can take you to you-know-where, you know.

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On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:> On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:>> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?>>>> https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune>>> > > I had a gut feeling this was on the

cards. I spoke with Rune's mum > about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too > bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid > top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the >
shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has > a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.oh well there the problem, didn't know she was running everything! if this lady fired Becker it sound like worse situation
than when Judy Murray forced Murray to hire "that woman". Yes she should go, it like Tsitsi's Dad, he should get lost as well as he/she clearly clueless about coaching at that level and they dereailing their son's career.



My opinion is that while they might be "clueless" I wouldn't classify that as the main problem.

I mean, would some say Marian Vajda had enough credentials before coaching Djokovic?

As a player, certainly not at the elite level (career high number 34 and two titles).

And as a coach he had none too.
But he was still superb for Djokovic.



In Nadal's case, I guess uncle Toni was removed enough from Nadal's nuclear family.

Everything closer and it's doomed imo.


You can't have your dad coaching you, mom running things etc.

I believe true success is only accidental in these situations.



Some might say we'll Djokovic had Becker and Murray had Lendl.

Yes Becker added something else later on, but still.


I think the main issue with this is familiar proximity preventing true professionalism.

I don't believe Becker added *that much* to Djokovic in terms of advices, it's not what he said, it's who he was.

I am sure Djokovic heard stuff which Becker told him much earlier, but when it's Becker telling it, they become relevant.

So bottom line it's all about respect.


How can e.g. Tsitsipas respect his dad as a coach when his dad was never in a slam final, and in some other ways, Tsitsipas perhaps has issues with dad in terms of family relations of any sort that are occuring normally.

Otoh coach is a coach.







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On 7/02/2024 11:05 pm, *skriptis wrote:

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:> On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:>> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?>>>> https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune>>> > > I had a gut feeling this was on

the cards. I spoke with Rune's mum > about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too > bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid > top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of
the > shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has > a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.oh well there the problem, didn't know she was running everything! if this lady fired Becker it sound like worse
situation than when Judy Murray forced Murray to hire "that woman". Yes she should go, it like Tsitsi's Dad, he should get lost as well as he/she clearly clueless about coaching at that level and they dereailing their son's career.

My opinion is that while they might be "clueless" I wouldn't classify that as the main problem.

I mean, would some say Marian Vajda had enough credentials before coaching Djokovic?

As a player, certainly not at the elite level (career high number 34 and two titles).

And as a coach he had none too.
But he was still superb for Djokovic.

In Nadal's case, I guess uncle Toni was removed enough from Nadal's nuclear family.

Everything closer and it's doomed imo.

You can't have your dad coaching you, mom running things etc.

I believe true success is only accidental in these situations.

Some might say we'll Djokovic had Becker and Murray had Lendl.

Yes Becker added something else later on, but still.

I think the main issue with this is familiar proximity preventing true professionalism.

I don't believe Becker added *that much* to Djokovic in terms of advices, it's not what he said, it's who he was.

I am sure Djokovic heard stuff which Becker told him much earlier, but when it's Becker telling it, they become relevant.

So bottom line it's all about respect.

How can e.g. Tsitsipas respect his dad as a coach when his dad was never in a slam final, and in some other ways, Tsitsipas perhaps has issues with dad in terms of family relations of any sort that are occuring normally.

Otoh coach is a coach.

Yes, Tsitsipas and Rune need to take this very seriously. Sinner sacked
his whole team a couple years ago because he believed he wasn't at the
level he should be. Smart move. Tennis careers aren't long and you
can't afford to fuck around too long, end up like Kyrgios.

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On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:

On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I had a gut feeling this was on the cards.  I spoke with Rune's mum about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect.  It's too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid top 4 ranking.  I think mum needs

to go, she's calling a lot of the shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so.  She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA

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On 7.2.2024 15.05, Whisper wrote:

On 7/02/2024 11:05 pm, *skriptis wrote:

The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:> On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish
wrote:>> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?>>>>
https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune>>> > > I had a gut feeling this was on the cards.  I spoke with Rune's mum > about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect.  It's too > bad

because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid > top 4 ranking.  I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the > shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so.  She has > a solid tennis background but not at
this elite level.oh well there the problem, didn't know she was running everything! if this lady fired Becker it sound like worse situation than when Judy Murray forced Murray to hire "that woman". Yes she should go, it like Tsitsi's Dad, he should get
lost as well as he/she clearly clueless about coaching at that level and they dereailing their son's career.

My opinion is that while they might be "clueless" I wouldn't classify
that as the main problem.

I mean, would some say Marian Vajda had enough credentials before
coaching Djokovic?

As a player, certainly not at the elite level (career high number 34
and two titles).

And as a coach he had none too.
But he was still superb for Djokovic.



In Nadal's case, I guess uncle Toni was removed enough from Nadal's
nuclear family.

Everything closer and it's doomed imo.


You can't have your dad coaching you, mom running things etc.

I believe true success is only accidental in these situations.



Some might say we'll Djokovic had Becker and Murray had Lendl.

Yes Becker added something else later on, but still.


I think the main issue with this is familiar proximity preventing true
professionalism.

I don't believe Becker added *that much* to Djokovic in terms of
advices, it's not what he said, it's who he was.

I am sure Djokovic heard stuff which Becker told him much earlier, but
when it's Becker telling it, they become relevant.

So bottom line it's all about respect.


How can e.g. Tsitsipas respect his dad as a coach when his dad was
never in a slam final, and in some other ways, Tsitsipas perhaps has
issues with dad in terms of family relations of any sort that are
occuring normally.

Otoh coach is a coach.

Yes, Tsitsipas and Rune need to take this very seriously.  Sinner sacked
his whole team a couple years ago because he believed he wasn't at the
level he should be.  Smart move.

While I agree it was a good move, it doesn't seem to have led anywhere.
His ranking has plummeted and last I saw, nothing new in his game
either. I think he needs to spend some time reflecting stuffs. And watch
old Federer clips.

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On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:> On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:>> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?>>>> https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune>>> > > I had a gut feeling this was on the

cards. I spoke with Rune's mum about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the shots in
Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA



Great mom.

Nice legs too, former ballet dancer herself.


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On 7.2.2024 15.58, grif wrote:

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:

On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I had a gut feeling this was on the cards.  I spoke with Rune's mum
about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect.  It's
too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a
solid top 4 ranking.  I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of
the shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so.
She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA

Moms rule.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

Rune actually *fired* Becker, but in public he
allowed Becker to say he quit himself because Rune
had certain kind of respect towards Becker's past
tennis achievements.

Becker is likely to need money so if he were
given a chance, he would have continued
coaching Rune.

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On 07/02/2024 14:21, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 7.2.2024 15.58, grif wrote:

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:

On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I had a gut feeling this was on the cards.  I spoke with Rune's mum about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect.  It's too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid top 4 ranking.  I think mum needs

to go, she's calling a lot of the shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA

Moms rule.

"Impatient" is how Rune's mom describes Rune and that's as good a single word as any to attribute to Rune.

There is a funny scene from "Break Point" where mom dispenses sage-like wisdom (a bit like Becker or Tsocrates)

Rune: To be the best you've to play the best.

Mom: What is Novak good at? Novak is not playing a point.

Rune: 😕

Mom: Rafa not either. Novak is the point. You see there are guys playing the points and then there are guys that are the point. Like Rafa, like Novak. In flow. It's your point, it is you that are in control. You are the point.

Rune *trying to keep a straight face* Yes.

Aneke talks about the coaching situation and some background stuff in the following podcast. And about girls flinging themselves at Rune at the 36min mark, which Courty will like.
https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/tennis-mom-extraordinaire-aneke-rune-talks-tennis-with/id1513576523?i=1000644415037

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On 2/7/2024 7:05 AM, Whisper wrote:

Yes, Tsitsipas and Rune need to take this very seriously.  Sinner sacked
his whole team a couple years ago because he believed he wasn't at the
level he should be.  Smart move.  Tennis careers aren't long and you
can't afford to fuck around too long, end up like Kyrgios.

Agree 100%.
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On 8/02/2024 1:26 am, *skriptis wrote:

grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:> On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:>> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?>>>> https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune>>> > > I had a gut feeling this was on

the cards. I spoke with Rune's mum about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the
shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so. She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA

Great mom.

Nice legs too, former ballet dancer herself.

She is a great mom, and Rune has the talent and desire to win slams and
rank top 3. They are just missing a good coach or 2.

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On 8/02/2024 12:58 am, grif wrote:

On 07/02/2024 05:16, Whisper wrote:

On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune

I had a gut feeling this was on the cards.  I spoke with Rune's mum
about it at AO and the way she responded made me very suspect.  It's
too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a
solid top 4 ranking.  I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of
the shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified to do so.
She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyUb1Hn-ClA

Thanks for that. I guess the knee jerk response is she's just another domineering tennis parent but I think that's a bit harsh in this case.
You can't be too ambivalent to make it these days, competition is too
fierce to not give it absolutely everything you have. It's been clear
for a couple years now that Rune, Sinner and Alcaraz are the stand out
of current gen and all destined for slam success. Rune's game is top
notch, no real weaknesses and a monster forehand from what I saw at AO.
At this young age it's very critical you have the right coaches and team
around you, and that's something he doesn't have atm. Alcarez and Sinner
have the right supports and are going great. Hopefully they can work
this out soon. In absolute terms Alcarez is the best talent,
Sinner/Rune is a toss up imo.

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On 8/02/2024 2:31 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 7/02/2024 12:39 pm, Sawfish wrote:> What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?> > https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/39471337/boris-becker-steps-coach-no-7-holger-rune> I had a gut feeling this was on the cards. I spoke with Rune's mum about it at

AO and the way she responded made me very suspect. It's too bad because I think Boris would have been a big help getting him a solid top 4 ranking. I think mum needs to go, she's calling a lot of the shots in Rune's life and don't think she's qualified
to do so. She has a solid tennis background but not at this elite level.

C'mon man you should have convinced her about the value that Boris brings to Rune's game.
I think she didn't know much about you at that time and your contribution to tennis with the 7543 theory and blue chips snacks :)

She looked me directly in the eyes and smiled broadly when I said Rune
will def be in the new big 3. Takes a good analyst to recognize another
one. She's a very smart woman.

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On 8/02/2024 3:55 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you make of it, fellow-RSTers?

Rune actually *fired* Becker, but in public he
allowed Becker to say he quit himself because Rune
had certain kind of respect towards Becker's past
tennis achievements.

Becker is likely to need money so if he were
given a chance, he would have continued
coaching Rune.

br,
KK

That's part of it yes, Becker needs the money. Also Rune likes to play
every week so a full time coach is a big commitment.

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