• Re:(OT) Finally, Tucker interviews Putin

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Tue Feb 6 22:38:46 2024
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    Here's infostormer on this. Important read.


    https://infostormer.com/tucker-carlson-has-reportedly-interviewed-vladimir-putin/



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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 6 22:20:19 2024
    https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20





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  • From Custos Custodum@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Wed Feb 7 19:12:01 2024
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:20:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:



    https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20

    Kewl! Will he be asking tough, probing questions which reduce Putin to
    tears, like David Frost did with Nixon? Or will it just be a
    predictable, fawning ego massage job?

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Custos Custodum on Wed Feb 7 20:18:03 2024
    Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:20:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis<skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:>>>https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20Kewl! Will he be asking tough, probing questions which reduce Putin totears, like David Frost did with
    Nixon? Or will it just be apredictable, fawning ego massage job?


    I hope it's the latter.


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  • From Custos Custodum@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Sat Feb 10 20:11:12 2024
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:18:03 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:

    Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:20:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis<skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:>>>https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20Kewl! Will he be asking tough, probing questions which reduce Putin totears, like David Frost did with
    Nixon? Or will it just be apredictable, fawning ego massage job?


    I hope it's the latter.

    Looks like you got your wish. Carlson didn't challenge Putin on any of
    his nonsense (like Poland starting WW2). TC is no more a journalist
    than I am. But at least I was relieved to hear Putin say (in as many
    words) "I have no further territorial demands". Now where have we
    heard that before?

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  • From Custos Custodum@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 22:59:04 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:05:15 -0800, Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/10/24 12:11 PM, Custos Custodum wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:18:03 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis
    <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:

    Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 22:20:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis<skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:>>>https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20Kewl! Will he be asking tough, probing questions which reduce Putin totears, like David Frost did
    with Nixon? Or will it just be apredictable, fawning ego massage job?

    I hope it's the latter.
    Looks like you got your wish. Carlson didn't challenge Putin on any of
    his nonsense (like Poland starting WW2). TC is no more a journalist
    than I am. But at least I was relieved to hear Putin say (in as many
    words) "I have no further territorial demands". Now where have we
    heard that before?

    Maybe people here who are from the US know about traveling salvation
    shows way back when.

    People especially in the south or Midwest, mostly white and uneducated
    and unsophisticated, attached themselves to evangelical sects. There was
    a sort of circuit of traveling preachers, and they got really good at
    rousing up the supplicants and sort of "entertaining" them under the
    cover of "preaching the gospels".

    People who went to these, I think this fulfilled the need for dramatic
    myth, like you'd find in traditional theater, of which these naifs knew >nothing. They'd get really worked up, achieve catharsis, and pour on the >contributions to the preacher's "ministry". And he'd move on to the next
    town meetin'.

    A bible-thumpin' good time was had by all.


    Speaking of medicine shows, I heard this on the radio the other day.
    Can't imagine the Beeb broadcasting anything like it nowadays.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM1MftCtIlg


    And this is exactly where we are with people calling themselves
    political observer. At my brother's behest I spent >40 minutes watching
    a guy who purports to be an expert in world economic trends paint a
    picture of good and bad economic powers, and claimed with absolute
    certainty that the good guys will win.

    Elected leadership is having their own salvation shows increasingly.

    Can you dig it?

    "Salvation" in the sense of trying to save themselves, what with
    election season coming up on both sides of the Pond this year.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Custos Custodum on Sun Feb 11 01:18:56 2024
    Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> Wrote in message:
    Looks like you got your wish. Carlson didn't challenge Putin on any of his nonsense (like Poland starting WW2).


    Putin said no nonsense. This is an example what's so troubling nowadays in the west.

    Many simply dismiss uncomfortable news and explanations and truth as "nonsense".


    So here's Putin, lecturing us in an exclusive interview, and you come out and say it's "nonsense"?

    My advice.

    He's not someone whose opinion you can dismiss as nonsense, even if you fully disagree with it. You'd still have to work with him responding to whatever he said.



    As for Poland in 1939, what's so unclear there?

    Poland had quasi fascist government themselves back then, they were also into imperialism and conquest and messianism.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium


    They got into possessions of many non polish areas post ww1 and they wanted more, as proven by the fact they took (tiny bit still took) piece of Czechoslovakia once Hitler partitioned it with the blessing of UK and France.


    Simultaneously Poland was not treating very nicely ethnic communities they conquered post ww1, namely Germans for most part.

    Poland weren't some peace loving hippies whom Hitler attacked out of pure malice. They were significant actor with their own agenda.



    If Hitler was Nadal, Poland was David Ferrer. Not some innocent clown.






    TC is no more a journalist than I am. But at least I was relieved to hear Putin say (in as manywords) "I have no further territorial demands". Now where have we heard that before?


    Russia doesn't need land, they want people. They want to re-rusify the russkies which West derusified.

    That can be done in many ways.


    They can crush the state of Ukraine, like Union crushed the Confederacy.

    Or they can restore borderlands (Ukraine) to resemble what Canada is to the USA. A brotherly neighbour causing no trouble.



    However it ends, there won't be western military presence in russian sphere.


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to bmoore on Tue Feb 13 06:35:04 2024
    bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 12:11:16 PM UTC-8, Custos Custodum wrote:> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:18:03 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis> <skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote: > > >Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> Wrote in message:r > >> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024
    22:20:19 +0100 (GMT+01:00), *skriptis<skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:>>>https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20Kewl! Will he be asking tough, probing questions which reduce Putin totears, like David Frost did with Nixon? Or will it just
    be apredictable, fawning ego massage job? > > > > > >I hope it's the latter.> Looks like you got your wish. Carlson didn't challenge Putin on any of > his nonsense (like Poland starting WW2). ---------According to a verified translation of Putin's
    remarks during the Carlson interview, the Russian president claimed that Poland "forced" Hitler to invade by being "uncooperative" with Nazi demands to take territories including Polish city Gdańsk, then known as Danzig. "[Poland] rejected Hitler's
    demands," Putin said.https://www.newsweek.com/poland-angrily-responds-putins-claims-about-hitler-world-war-ii-1868707#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20verified%20translation,Hitler's%20demands%2C%22%20Putin%20said.----------Poor Hitler, jerked around by
    those nasty Poles.> TC is no more a journalist > than I am. But at least I was relieved to hear Putin say (in as many > words) "I have no further territorial demands". Now where have we > heard that before?Poor Putin.



    What's so unclear there?


    Poland joined Hitler, UK and France in carving up Czechoslovakia.

    Hitler took German parts of Czechoslovakia, Poland took tiny Polish part.

    UK and France said it's ok.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement





    Next, when applying same principle, Hitler aske the Poles, to grant him passage through Poland so he could build roads to disjointed part of Germany and likely that they return to Germany some of German parts they had and they refused.

    Why would you take Hitler's help to seize polish land that was in Czechoslovakia, but refuse to accommodate German demands in regards to German territories in Poland?


    Not only it's hypocritical, that's the least of problems, it's incredibly dumb for two reasons.

    It's Hitler who got you those polish lands back that were in Czechoslovakia and it's Hitler who is on your border, a stronger country.

    Why not return the favour and instead make angry someone who had help you and is both more powerful?

    Smart Poles then switched sides, believing UK and France, countries not bordering with Poland could protect them?






    So how does that not force Hitler to invade?


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Thu Feb 15 08:18:16 2024
    jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1754939251257475555?s=20The latest on this... "Frankly, I did not get full satisfaction from thisinterview," Putin said.https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-complains-about-
    lack-piercing-questions-tucker-carlson-2024-02-14/ Feb 14 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin says he was surprised by a lack of sharp questions from U.S. television host Tucker Carlson in an interview that made headlines around the
    world last week. Putin told a Russian TV interviewer, Pavel Zarubin, that he had wanted Carlson to behave more aggressively, which would have given him the right to reply just as pointedly. "To be honest, I thought that he would behave
    aggressively and ask so-called sharp questions. I was not just prepared for this, I wanted it, because it would give me the opportunity to respond in the same way," Putin said in comments broadcast on Wednesday. In his first interview with an
    American journalist since before Russia's invasion of Ukraine nearly two years ago, Putin subjected Carlson to a half-hour lecture on history. He told Zarubin he was surprised that Carlson had not interrupted him more. "Frankly, I did not
    get full satisfaction from this interview," Putin said. The Kremlin said Putin had agreed to the Carlson interview because the approach of the former Fox News host differed from the "one-sided" reporting of the Ukraine conflict by many
    Western news outlets.



    My biggest complaint and only real complaint is production.

    You can't do such an important interview and have a background voice as a translator.

    What's what, a cartoon?

    There should have been subtitles so that people can *hear" Putin's voice and him speaking in Russian while reading what he says.

    It's of paramount importance, yet neither Tucker nor media in general feel that way.

    You could probably say "hey what about the blind ones who can't read" and I'll say that I'm sorry for the blind people, but I could ask likewise then what about the deaf people?

    In the end, one group is always going to be at loss.


    But for clarity and if the purpose is to convey message, one must hear native speaker in his own language, to feel him properly.

    It would also be much easier to follow the complex answers mentioned.


    As for these comments, I guess Putin is simply mocking Tucker in return. Remember Tucker had some stupid statements such as "Putin is bitter because Russia is being disrespected by the west" and so on.

    As if Putin is a woman in menopause or a teen punk who is led by emotions?

    These statements are childish. So now the return message "oh you weren't as tough as I thought you'd be".

    Friendly spat.
    Irrelevant overall.



    Next time USA should send Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardinal.




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