Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third!
Amazing!
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:51:54 PM UTC+11, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third! >>
Amazing!
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Alcaraz has all the shots in the book, but at time you just wonder if he has a brain, forehand little lob that he thought was a drop were easy picking
for Zverev. Alcaraz does not know how to win with percentage play .
On 25/01/2024 1:16 am, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of
experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Carlos made it interesting at the end but Zverev was better all 4 sets really, no excuses.
Indeed. Z wins in 4. Served for the match in the third, but Alcatraz hit
a bit of a purple patch and took the set. Didn't see the fourth, but K
said Z stood firm etc etc. Z seems to have found his inner warrior.
That's good for tennis.
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third!
Amazing!
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of experience
on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
On 24.1.2024 16.15, jlia...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:51:54 PM UTC+11, Pelle Svanslös
wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Alcaraz has all the shots in the book, but at time you just wonder if
he has a brain, forehand little lob that he thought was a drop were
easy picking
for Zverev. Alcaraz does not know how to win with percentage play .
I hope he gets his act together. He does make a couple of errors too many.
On 24.1.2024 16.20, Whisper wrote:
On 25/01/2024 1:16 am, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of
experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Carlos made it interesting at the end but Zverev was better all 4 sets
really, no excuses.
Z's had ten slams on paper for a long time. Maybe it's time he changed
that.
Nah. It's Meds next round and Z has been playing a lot. That said, Meds
also is playing a lot. Maybe they'll sink together playing a lot.
On 25/01/2024 1:44 am, grif wrote:
On 24/01/2024 14:16, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
It's not a good thing if he's too reliant on Ferrero. It can feel like he might be.
Yes but he's still a kid. I reckon he'll get FO this yr and 3 slams is awesome for a green kid.
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third! >>
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
On 24.1.2024 14.51, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Indeed. Z wins in 4. Served for the match in the third, but Alcatraz hit
a bit of a purple patch and took the set. Didn't see the fourth, but K
said Z stood firm etc etc. Z seems to have found his inner warrior.
That's good for tennis.
On 24/01/2024 14:16, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of
experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
It's not a good thing if he's too reliant on Ferrero. It can feel like
he might be.
On 25/01/2024 1:26 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 24.1.2024 14.51, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Indeed. Z wins in 4. Served for the match in the third, but Alcatraz
hit a bit of a purple patch and took the set. Didn't see the fourth,
but K said Z stood firm etc etc. Z seems to have found his inner
warrior. That's good for tennis.
Carlos plays some flaky shots that cost him key games. In the 4th set
he needlessly lost 1st and 8th games, could have won set 6-2 with less fucking around. He'll learn and get much tougher in a couple yrs.
He also sometimes doesn't know when to save his gunpowder. Up 4-3 in the fourth set, he was down 40-0 returning, and exerted a huge amount of
energy fighting his way back to deuce. When he lost the game anyway, he seemed gassed, and dropped his own serve to fall behind 5-4, allowing Z
to serve out the match.
Sampras I think would have just let that 4-3 game go, realizing that
while it would have been good to have it, he didn't need it. Whereas he needed that 4-4 game.
stephenj <sjork@pr.net> wrote:
He also sometimes doesn't know when to save his gunpowder. Up 4-3 in the
fourth set, he was down 40-0 returning, and exerted a huge amount of
energy fighting his way back to deuce. When he lost the game anyway, he
seemed gassed, and dropped his own serve to fall behind 5-4, allowing Z
to serve out the match.
Sampras I think would have just let that 4-3 game go, realizing that
while it would have been good to have it, he didn't need it. Whereas he
needed that 4-4 game.
Alcaraz did exactly what Nadal's textbook teaches us: You
fight for every single point like it was a match point. It does
not matter if it is 40-0, 0-40 or whatever. You *always* give
it your best effort.
Because of this hardcore intense attitude, Nadal needs to
rest longer between points because his attitude towards
the game is so mentally and physically consuming.
I only respect the Nadal school of thought and despise
players who give in.
br,
KK
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third!> > Amazing!> Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Lack of experience for sure, plus he didn't play matches in
Australia prior to the tournament. Alcaraz needs faster courts,
the AO court this year is really bad.
On 1/24/2024 8:44 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 25/01/2024 1:26 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 24.1.2024 14.51, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the
third!
Amazing!
Indeed. Z wins in 4. Served for the match in the third, but Alcatraz
hit a bit of a purple patch and took the set. Didn't see the fourth,
but K said Z stood firm etc etc. Z seems to have found his inner
warrior. That's good for tennis.
Carlos plays some flaky shots that cost him key games. In the 4th set
he needlessly lost 1st and 8th games, could have won set 6-2 with less
fucking around. He'll learn and get much tougher in a couple yrs.
He also sometimes doesn't know when to save his gunpowder. Up 4-3 in the fourth set, he was down 40-0 returning, and exerted a huge amount of
energy fighting his way back to deuce. When he lost the game anyway, he seemed gassed, and dropped his own serve to fall behind 5-4, allowing Z
to serve out the match.
Sampras I think would have just let that 4-3 game go, realizing that
while it would have been good to have it, he didn't need it. Whereas he needed that 4-4 game.
On 25/01/2024 2:20 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third!> > Amazing!> Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Lack of experience for sure, plus he didn't play matches in
Australia prior to the tournament. Alcaraz needs faster courts,
the AO court this year is really bad.
He also doesn't have a strategy, just plays on instinct. Federer to an extent was also guilty of this, but Carlos is a lot worse as he really has no game plan at all. He relies on Ferrero too much, at USO he was asking Ferrero during the matchwhere to serve against Medvedev. I'm sure he'll work this out with experience, but it's glaringly obvious watching him now.
I can't argue with Nadal's approach, it resulted in 22 slam wins, and
maybe more are to come. And it's hard to argue with Alcaraz's approach either, he's won two slams and is 20 years old.
But maybe, sometimes it might be better to dial it back a bit, like IMO
last night. Alcarez, as good as he is, maybe isn't Nadal. Nobody else
has ever been Nadal.
On 25/01/2024 06:30, Whisper wrote:
He'll get better and learn as he plays more tough matches v these top
level guys, so they should take these wins while they can. Zverev
served phenomenal, 85% 1st serves and he was cranking it huge. He
knew he couldn't hold back if he wanted a chance to win, high risk
game plan that worked perfectly on the day.
Zverev said a while ago that he knows Carlos will soon win everything
and he clearly maxes out every time he plays him to scrape a few last
wins. It a good tennis due to that.
On 24/01/2024 14:32, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 24.1.2024 16.20, Whisper wrote:
On 25/01/2024 1:16 am, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in
the third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of
experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Carlos made it interesting at the end but Zverev was better all 4
sets really, no excuses.
Z's had ten slams on paper for a long time. Maybe it's time he changed
that.
Nah. It's Meds next round and Z has been playing a lot. That said,
Meds also is playing a lot. Maybe they'll sink together playing a lot.
since when have you rated Zverev?! was only one on group to tout him as
best player of his age group, you said jack.
On 24/01/2024 20:04, PeteWasLucky wrote:
stephenj <sjork@pr.net> Wrote in message:r
On 1/24/2024 8:44 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 25/01/2024 1:26 am, Pelle
Svanslös wrote:>> On 24.1.2024 14.51, Pelle Svanslös wrote:>>> Just
logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the >>>
third!>>>>>> Amazing!>>>> Indeed. Z wins in 4. Served for the match
in the third, but Alcatraz >> hit a bit of a purple patch and took
the set. Didn't see the fourth, >> but K said Z stood firm etc etc. Z
seems to have found his inner >> warrior. That's good for tennis.>>>
4th set > he needlessly lost 1st and 8th games, could have won setCarlos plays some flaky shots that cost him key games. In the
6-2 with less > fucking around. He'll learn and get much tougher in
a couple yrs.He also sometimes doesn't know when to save his
gunpowder. Up 4-3 in the fourth set, he was down 40-0 returning, and
exerted a huge amount of energy fighting his way back to deuce. When
he lost the game anyway, he seemed gassed, and dropped his own serve
to fall behind 5-4, allowing Z to serve out the match.Sampras I think
would have just let that 4-3 game go, realizing that while it would
have been good to have it, he didn't need it. Whereas he needed that
4-4 game.
What about losing the first two sets 1 and 3? Tired too?
no he was just totally unfocused, he netted a load of easy forehands.
On 24/01/2024 14:32, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 24.1.2024 16.20, Whisper wrote:
On 25/01/2024 1:16 am, Whisper wrote:
On 24/01/2024 11:51 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in
the third!
Amazing!
Told you guys Zverev was playing great 2 weeks ago. Lack of
experience on Carlos' part plus no Ferrero.
Carlos made it interesting at the end but Zverev was better all 4
sets really, no excuses.
Z's had ten slams on paper for a long time. Maybe it's time he changed
that.
Nah. It's Meds next round and Z has been playing a lot. That said,
Meds also is playing a lot. Maybe they'll sink together playing a lot.
since when have you rated Zverev?! was only one on group to tout him as
best player of his age group, you said jack.
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:51:54 PM UTC+11, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third! >>
Amazing!
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Alcaraz has all the shots in the book, but at time you just wonder if he has a brain, forehand little lob that he thought was a drop were easy picking
for Zverev. Alcaraz does not know how to win with percentage play . Zverev puts in a real professional match, Alcaraz sometimes display junior level
tennis.
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 7:51:54 AM UTC-5, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Just logged in. Zverev is leading by two sets to love and 4-1 in the third! >>Alcaraz totally donated the 1st set. He was just spraying balls long, into the net, you name it. He looked stiff as a board. Can't do that against another top-10 player and expect to win.
Amazing!
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
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