Hello there!

I did not see the match but at least according
to the score board, Taylor Fritz fought well
during the first two sets. The first set he
lost was a tiebreak set and the second set
he managed to win 6-4. Then back came Djoker
and finished the match by winning the following
sets 6-2 6-3.

So Djoker is through to the semifinals and
extends his head-to-head stats against Fritz to
a devastating 9-0 lead.

Sinner just beat Rublev. I missed the beginning
of the match, but joined during the middle part
of the second set. Rublev lead the second set
tiebreak 5-1, but Sinner did not give in. Instead
he won six points in a row and won the tiebreak
7-5. I laughed so hard when that happened and
shouted:"VAMOS!". I think the third set was
6-3 and the match was over. Rublev had at least
8 break points during the match, but Sinner
saved all of them!

This means that Djoker vs Sinner semifinal
should happen. Let's hope that both players
stay healthy and are able to compete at their
highest level.

br,
KK

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On 24/01/2024 2:46 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Hello there!

I did not see the match but at least according
to the score board, Taylor Fritz fought well
during the first two sets. The first set he
lost was a tiebreak set and the second set
he managed to win 6-4. Then back came Djoker
and finished the match by winning the following
sets 6-2 6-3.

So Djoker is through to the semifinals and
extends his head-to-head stats against Fritz to
a devastating 9-0 lead.

Sinner just beat Rublev. I missed the beginning
of the match, but joined during the middle part
of the second set. Rublev lead the second set
tiebreak 5-1, but Sinner did not give in. Instead
he won six points in a row and won the tiebreak
7-5. I laughed so hard when that happened and
shouted:"VAMOS!". I think the third set was
6-3 and the match was over. Rublev had at least
8 break points during the match, but Sinner
saved all of them!

This means that Djoker vs Sinner semifinal
should happen. Let's hope that both players
stay healthy and are able to compete at their
highest level.

br,
KK

Before watching these 2 matches I had Sinner as fave to beat Novak. I
found Sinner very unconvincing in his win over Rublev so now am back
trekking and have to once again have Novak as the fave.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Before watching these 2 matches I had Sinner as
fave to beat Novak. I found Sinner very
unconvincing in his win over Rublev so now am back
trekking and have to once again have Novak as the fave.

I only saw the last one and a half sets, but I guess
you are right. Even though Sinner won in straight sets,
he will have to improve his game to beat Djoker.

It seems to me that Sinner allowed Rublev to take
initiative too many times when he should have
dominated the rallies more often.

But like they say, different days, different stories.

Only time will tell what is their form when the
semifinal starts. Djoker will be hungry as hell to
improve his GS championship record and Sinner will
also want to play his best tennis in order to make
it to the final. That semifinal is hugely important!

The other side of the singles draw is strong, too.
Alcaraz is still in, Zverev is still in, Medvedev
is still in. Hurkacz is also very good and when
he plays well, it is hard to beat him.

I guess we can expect big battles now!

br,
KK

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Djokovic vs Sinner: Four sets for Djokovic
to win that match. I mean, come on! Nadal
and Federer couldn't even beat Djokovic at
the AO(I think Federer did it only once?) so
we're expecting ball-basher Sinner to do it?
I don't see it. I would love to be incorrect.

I do not claim that Sinner will do absolutely
certainly win. If I was very sure about it, I
would of course place a big bet.

Nine years ago I tried tennis betting with
relatively small amounts of money and I was
successful. However, I only placed something
like 15 bets in total so it was a short period
of time. I think I made 180€. I usually bet
100€ at a time.

After that I have placed small 10€ bets three
times for Emil Ruusuvuori and lost every time.
I have decided that I do not have the required
skill or tough nerves to keep on betting.

The Finnish betting monopoly, veikkaus.fi,
gives the following odds:

Djoker 1.47
Sinner 2.50

I am not surprised. Djoker is the favourite to
win but Sinner is not that far behind.

I do not know what other sites say about the
odds.

br,
KK

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Court_1 kirjoitti 25.1.2024 klo 7.01:

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:46:46 AM UTC-5, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Hello there!

I did not see the match but at least according
to the score board, Taylor Fritz fought well
during the first two sets. The first set he
lost was a tiebreak set and the second set
he managed to win 6-4. Then back came Djoker
and finished the match by winning the following
sets 6-2 6-3.

So Djoker is through to the semifinals and
extends his head-to-head stats against Fritz to
a devastating 9-0 lead.

Sinner just beat Rublev. I missed the beginning
of the match, but joined during the middle part
of the second set. Rublev lead the second set
tiebreak 5-1, but Sinner did not give in. Instead
he won six points in a row and won the tiebreak
7-5. I laughed so hard when that happened and
shouted:"VAMOS!". I think the third set was
6-3 and the match was over. Rublev had at least
8 break points during the match, but Sinner
saved all of them!

This means that Djoker vs Sinner semifinal
should happen. Let's hope that both players
stay healthy and are able to compete at their
highest level.

br,
KK

Djokovic vs Sinner: Four sets for Djokovic to win that match. I mean, come on! Nadal and Federer couldn't even beat Djokovic at the AO(I think Federer did it only once?) so we're expecting ball-basher Sinner to do it? I don't see it. I would love to

be incorrect.

Jannik Sinner (2024)
Hyeon Chung (2018)
Denis Istomin (2017)
Stan Wawrinka (2014)
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (2010)
Andy Roddick (2009)
Roger Federer (2007)
Paul Goldstein (2006)
Marat Safin (2005)

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Whisper kirjoitti 26.1.2024 klo 17.12:

So it's Sinner to win AO & Wimbledon this year, Carlos FO, and Carlos or Sinner at USO.  Olympic gold also to Carlos, he should be at his best on clay.

That is incorrect.

Nadal, Leylah, Nadal, Leylah, Nadal, Leylah...

Olympic doubles obviously goes to Nadal & Alcaraz.

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 4:18:24 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:> Court_1 kirjoitti 25.1.2024 klo 7.01: > > On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 10:46:46 AM UTC-5, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > >> Hello there! > >> > >> I did not see the match but at least

according > >> to the score board, Taylor Fritz fought well > >> during the first two sets. The first set he > >> lost was a tiebreak set and the second set > >> he managed to win 6-4. Then back came Djoker > >> and finished the match by winning the
following > >> sets 6-2 6-3. > >> > >> So Djoker is through to the semifinals and > >> extends his head-to-head stats against Fritz to > >> a devastating 9-0 lead. > >> > >> Sinner just beat Rublev. I missed the beginning > >> of the match, but joined
during the middle part > >> of the second set. Rublev lead the second set > >> tiebreak 5-1, but Sinner did not give in. Instead > >> he won six points in a row and won the tiebreak > >> 7-5. I laughed so hard when that happened and > >> shouted:"VAMOS!".
I think the third set was > >> 6-3 and the match was over. Rublev had at least > >> 8 break points during the match, but Sinner > >> saved all of them! > >> > >> This means that Djoker vs Sinner semifinal > >> should happen. Let's hope that both players

stay healthy and are able to compete at their > >> highest level. > >> > >> br, > >> KK > > > > Djokovic vs Sinner: Four sets for Djokovic to win that match. I mean, come on! Nadal and Federer couldn't even beat Djokovic at the AO(I think Federer

did it only once?) so we're expecting ball-basher Sinner to do it? I don't see it. I would love to be incorrect.> Jannik Sinner (2024) > Hyeon Chung (2018) > Denis Istomin (2017) > Stan Wawrinka (2014) > Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (2010) > Andy Roddick (2009) >
Roger Federer (2007) > Paul Goldstein (2006) > Marat Safin (2005)Yippy!!!! Good job, Sinner! It's been so long since somebody beat Djokoturd at the AO! So, Alcaraz did it at Wimbledon and now Sinner at the AO! Finally, two younger players with some
cojones and enough skill to do it!It's funny, Djokovic has every important record but still he'll never really have the love and adoration to the degree Nadal and especially Federer had. You really can't have it all it seems. Pipe Cleaner and his fans
will have to accept that. It's a fair trade.



Fred Perry was also disliked by the Brits.
Now he has a statue in Wimbledon.



https://www.playingpasts.co.uk/articles/tennis/understanding-the-significance-of-fred-perrys-statue-at-the-all-england-lawn-tennis-club/


This success marked Perry’s arrival on the scene of British tennis, but from the very start he acknowledged several class barriers. Indeed, in the eyes of the British tennis establishment – within the corridors of the AELTC and LTA – Perry was
considered an outsider, as his arrogance, ruthless determination and gamesmanship, which likely reflected his different class background, were not qualities befitting a true “gentleman-amateur”.

He recalled in his autobiography, also published in 1984: “Some elements in the All England Club and the LTA looked down on me as a hot-headed, outspoken, tearaway rebel, not quite the class of chap they really wanted to see winning Wimbledon, even if
he was English”.

This indifference to Perry was revealed in the now-infamous anecdote of when he received his AELTC members tie just minutes after winning his first title, beating the elegant Australian, Jack Crawford:

“Out in the dressing room, I overheard the distinctive voice of Brame Hillyard, Club committee man, talking to Crawford. ‘Congratulations’, said Hillyard. ‘This was one day when the best man didn’t win’. I couldn’t believe my ears. …
Hillyard had brought a bottle of champagne into the dressing room and given it to Jack. … There, draped over the back of my seat, was the official acknowledgement of my championship, an honorary All England Club member’s tie. … Instead of Fred J.
Perry the champ, I felt like Fred J. Mugs the chimp”.

...

Over time, not only has Perry’s status as a British sporting hero changed, but also the meanings and values associated with his statue. Beyond Perry’s successes, the fervent eulogizing of him partly reflects British post-war decline, both on and off
court, and the felt need to accentuate a glorious past. His statue has developed to become a shrine of almost religious significance for British tennis fans and tourists, who take photographs by it in their thousands. Indeed, Andy Murray posed for
several after he won Wimbledon in 2013 and became the first British male for seventy-seven years to become singles champion.






In the end, numbers prevail.


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On 1/26/2024 6:25 PM, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

Yippy!!!! Good job, Sinner! It's been so long since somebody beat Djokoturd at the AO! So, Alcaraz did it at Wimbledon and now Sinner at the AO! Finally, two younger players with some cojones and enough skill to do it!

It's funny, Djokovic has every important record but still he'll never really have the love and adoration to the degree Nadal and especially Federer had. You really can't have it all it seems. Pipe Cleaner and his fans will have to accept that. It's a

fair trade.

Yes, with all those records and all that money, he still carries a burning resentment that he's not getting the adoration he so desperately craves. This never was so evident as in the Mannarino match. The poor guy had just been fed two bagels and

manages to win a game in the third set, bringing the crowd to their feet. Djokovic immediately starts bitching to the umpire about the noise they're making and starts mocking the crowd's cheering. How dare they want his opponent to win a game when they
should be cheering the brilliance of Novak the Magnificent?

Then, after the match, he says he really WANTED to lose that game because too much tension had built up in the stadium. What a knob. :)

I am a huge Djoke fan because he was one of the rare few who stated very
early in his career that his goal was to be the number one ranked player
in the world. This was when it seemed that the rest of the men's tennis
pros were simply throwing their hands in the air with "No way I can beat Fed/Nadal and I will accept that fact".

But he suffers with the dual feelings of wanting to be everyone's bff
while being a Connors/McEnroe/Lendl competitor on the court. He can't
have it both ways and will never accept it.
--
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Scall5

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On 1/26/2024 8:04 PM, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 7:25:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

Djokovic has a giant chip on his shoulder, always has. He wants that respect and worshipping from the fans that Federer received. It's never going to happen. He'll have to be content with the records he's achieved. Nadal's behavior has been nauseating

too. He's bitter that he didn't get the exclusive keys to the castle from Federer; Djokovic did. Also, his recent support of Saudi Arabia tennis is a bonehead move. I'm ready for both Nadal and Djokovic to vamoose from the tennis scene already.

I could, to a very slight degree, understand why the PGA players were
upset with the PGA and defected to the Saudi money to improve their payouts.

But Nadal has won everything many times over, made a mint, and he is at
the end of career. I am puzzled by this move, unless he has overspent
all his life...
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Scall5

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On 27.1.2024 4.04, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 7:25:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

Yippy!!!! Good job, Sinner! It's been so long since somebody beat Djokoturd at the AO! So, Alcaraz did it at Wimbledon and now Sinner at the AO! Finally, two younger players with some cojones and enough skill to do it!

It's funny, Djokovic has every important record but still he'll never really have the love and adoration to the degree Nadal and especially Federer had. You really can't have it all it seems. Pipe Cleaner and his fans will have to accept that. It's a

fair trade.

Yes, with all those records and all that money, he still carries a burning resentment that he's not getting the adoration he so desperately craves. This never was so evident as in the Mannarino match. The poor guy had just been fed two bagels and

manages to win a game in the third set, bringing the crowd to their feet. Djokovic immediately starts bitching to the umpire about the noise they're making and starts mocking the crowd's cheering. How dare they want his opponent to win a game when they
should be cheering the brilliance of Novak the Magnificent?

Then, after the match, he says he really WANTED to lose that game because too much tension had built up in the stadium. What a knob. :)

Djokovic has a giant chip on his shoulder, always has.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30470847.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Screenshot-2023-07-14-at-174229.jpg

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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On 27.1.2024 2.25, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

Yippy!!!! Good job, Sinner! It's been so long since somebody beat Djokoturd at the AO! So, Alcaraz did it at Wimbledon and now Sinner at the AO! Finally, two younger players with some cojones and enough skill to do it!

It's funny, Djokovic has every important record but still he'll never really have the love and adoration to the degree Nadal and especially Federer had. You really can't have it all it seems. Pipe Cleaner and his fans will have to accept that. It's a

fair trade.

Yes, with all those records and all that money, he still carries a burning resentment that he's not getting the adoration he so desperately craves.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30470847.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Screenshot-2023-07-14-at-174229.jpg

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.1.2024 klo 10.20:

On 27.1.2024 4.04, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 7:25:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 11:02:16 AM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

Yippy!!!! Good job, Sinner! It's been so long since somebody beat
Djokoturd at the AO! So, Alcaraz did it at Wimbledon and now Sinner
at the AO! Finally, two younger players with some cojones and enough
skill to do it!

It's funny, Djokovic has every important record but still he'll
never really have the love and adoration to the degree Nadal and
especially Federer had. You really can't have it all it seems. Pipe
Cleaner and his fans will have to accept that. It's a fair trade.

Yes, with all those records and all that money, he still carries a
burning resentment that he's not getting the adoration he so
desperately craves. This never was so evident as in the Mannarino
match. The poor guy had just been fed two bagels and manages to win a
game in the third set, bringing the crowd to their feet. Djokovic
immediately starts bitching to the umpire about the noise they're
making and starts mocking the crowd's cheering. How dare they want
his opponent to win a game when they should be cheering the
brilliance of Novak the Magnificent?

Then, after the match, he says he really WANTED to lose that game
because too much tension had built up in the stadium. What a knob. :)

Djokovic has a giant chip on his shoulder, always has.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30470847.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/1_Screenshot-2023-07-14-at-174229.jpg

Bloody hell that's one ugly guy.

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On 27.1.2024 13.11, Whisper wrote:

On 27/01/2024 7:51 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 26.1.2024 klo 21.53:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in
message:r>> Court_1 kirjoitti 26.1.2024 klo 21.13:> On Friday,
January 26, 2024 at 11:07:19AM UTC-5, RahimAsif wrote:>> On Friday,
January 26, 2024 at 7:12:38AM UTC-8, Whisper wrote:>>> On 27/01/2024
1:18 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:>>>> Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au>
Wrote in message:r>>>>> On 24/01/2024 4:37 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:>
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 24/01/2024
2:46 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello there!> > I did not see the
match but at least according> to the score board, Taylor Fritz fought
well> during the first two sets. The first set he> lost was a
tiebreak set and the second set> he managed to win 6-4. Then back
came Djoker> and finished the match by winning the following> sets
6-2 6-3.> > So Djoker is through to the semifinals and> extends his
head-to-head stats against Fritz to> a devastating 9-0 lead.> >
Sinner just beat Rublev. I missed the beginning> of the match, but
joined during the middle part> of the second set. Rublev lead the
second set> tiebreak 5-1, but Sinner did not give in. Instead> he won
six points in a row and won the tiebreak> 7-5. I laughed so hard when
that happened and> shouted:"VAMOS!". I think the third set was> 6-3
and the match was over. Rublev had at least> 8 break points during
the match, but Sinner> saved all of them!> > This means that Djoker
vs Sinner semifinal> should happen. Let's hope that both players>
stay healthy and are able to compete at their> highest level.> > br,>

Before watching these 2 matches I had Sinner as fave to beat

Novak. I found Sinner very unconvincing in his win over Rublev so now
am back trekking and have to once again have Novak as the fave.> >
Flip flop?No, I just factor into my analysis when new facts are in.
Like eg I put Federer in 3rd place when he is beaten by 2 guys. I am
a realist. Many fanboys never change their opinion no matter how much
new data comes in.>>>>>>>> What happened to your data?>>> Yeah I
don't have much explanation. Sinner did play better than his>>> last
match, but not enough to explain that result. Novak had a lot of>>>
trouble returning serve, but not really clear why. I will say
Noval>>> looked old and slow, but his ball striking when he didn't
have to move>>> much was better than ever. Good luck to Sinner, we
all knew it was>>> coming and he inevitably will win slams and be
no.1. Medvedev is going>>> to be a big challenge in the final I
think, he's very crafty. I feel>>> bad for Zverev, he just couldn't
play well enough all the way through>>> while Medvedev was a rock
last 3 sets.>>>>>> Unless nerves get to him I think Sinner wins the
final. He's beaten Med>>> last 3 times so should have confidence, but
anything can happen in a>>> slam final.>>>>>> So it's Sinner to win
AO & Wimbledon this year, Carlos FO, and Carlos or>>> Sinner at USO.
Olympic gold also to Carlos, he should be at his best on>>> clay.>>
No slam for Djoker? He will come back with a vengeance - and unless
Nadal comes back anywhere near his best - I see him cleaning up the
next 3 slams...> > Yes, people have short memories and seem to forget
what happens when Djokovic loses to an opponent, i.e. he studies the
matches and comes back to eviscerate the opponent.. He had a bad day,
however, the difference now is that there are two able-bodied
opponents who have beat him at slams in Alcaraz and Sinner. Let's see
if those two can continue to scalp Djokoturd when it matters in
slams.> > Nothing lasts forever unless you're a certain type of
immortal jellyfish.Djokovic is merely immoral jellyfish.Could easily
be left without slam this year though. Let's say Nadal RG, Alcaraz
Wimbledon... that'd leave only USO to contest for the medusozoa
species.> > I would like to see Nadal winning the FO, but I thought
he was>   good to go this AO after a full year of recovery but he
ended up>   getting injured again. I believe he is finished, no
more>   slams.> > I think Zverev would be the favorite this FO.Surely
you mean Alcaraz, not Zverev?But yes it's possible that Nadal is
done. But if he isn't then RG title wouldn't be a stretch.Alkie
impressed me at Wimbledon last year, I think he's kinda natural on
the surface, fits well for his versatility & improvisation. Then
again, that doesn't mean he's gonna win it again.

No, I think Zverev is more steady and fit to do well on clay.  I
  think Alcaraz will go through a year or two to tighten his game
  and find the right mix of his tools to consistently
  win.

We'll see, but I think players can't hurt Carlos as much on clay, slows
the shots down a bit.  I felt like he was going to beat Novak last FO
but then the cramps hit.

I thought Djok was done after the second set. In hindsight, that
bathroom break proved to be almost clairvoyant. "Let's make Sonny
think". And think he did.

Djok would make a good prophet.

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