https://youtu.be/mdIMXEZRdY8?si=PCqlXnK7SKebFsEo
TT kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 17.31:
https://youtu.be/mdIMXEZRdY8?si=PCqlXnK7SKebFsEo
This guy Kubler is ranked 63. Could as well be 1063... the difference
with a living legend is that big.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:rme with Federer/Nadal return in 2017.
https://youtu.be/mdIMXEZRdY8?si=PCqlXnK7SKebFsEo
He kooks good. You know the thing about these greats when they come back after a long injury is that they forget what is considered a high level of play and seek perfectionism and when things click nicely for them they play at very high level. Reminds
Anyway Nadal looks good, but we don't know how his game and body will hold when the match goes to 4-5 sets.
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her body can tolerate this level
On 04/01/2024 15:40, TT wrote:
TT kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 17.31:
https://youtu.be/mdIMXEZRdY8?si=PCqlXnK7SKebFsEo
This guy Kubler is ranked 63. Could as well be 1063... the difference
with a living legend is that big.
Amazing play and power hitting!!!!!!!!
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her body
can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now she
can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But Whisper may
be able to talk more about this topic. :)
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her body >> can tolerate this level> > Nice that you brought up Raducanu atsame breath with legends. Now she > can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But Whisper may > be able to talk more about this topic. :)Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting achievement ever, not just in tennis. I'
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now she
can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But Whisper may
be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down the
whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was only her
2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few weeks earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some here say it was a fluke,
but what they really mean is a 1 hit wonder. It's impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close is Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but they
are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times whereas
Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking amazingly young to
win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
Whisper kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.03:
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But
Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll
probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down
the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was
only her 2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few weeks
earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some here say it
was a fluke, but what they really mean is a 1 hit wonder. It's
impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing
achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close is
Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but they
are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times whereas
Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking amazingly young to
win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
She benefited from qualifying & being unknown.
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 10:50:51 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
On 6/01/2024 11:39 pm, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.03:That would imply many qualifiers have won slams thanks to these
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But
Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll
probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down
the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was
only her 2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few weeks
earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some here say it >>>> was a fluke, but what they really mean is a 1 hit wonder. It's
impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing
achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close is
Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but they
are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times whereas
Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking amazingly young to >>>> win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
She benefited from qualifying & being unknown.
benefits/advantages.
https://apple.news/AN9gmO-2MTKa756ZCreB4eg
On 6/01/2024 11:39 pm, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.03:
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But
Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll
probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down
the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was
only her 2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few weeks
earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some here say
it was a fluke, but what they really mean is a 1 hit wonder. It's
impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing
achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close is
Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but they
are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times whereas
Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking amazingly young
to win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
She benefited from qualifying & being unknown.
That would imply many qualifiers have won slams thanks to these benefits/advantages.
On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>>> Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her >>> body can tolerate this level>sporting > achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I > heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll > probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down > the whole field in straight sets
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now >> she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But >> Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)>>> Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable
On 1/6/24 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>>> Btw, Radulooks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her >>> body can tolerate this level>>>> Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now >> she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But >> Whisper may be able to
Whisper kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 17.50:
On 6/01/2024 11:39 pm, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.03:
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But
Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today.
We'll probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow
down the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It
was only her 2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few
weeks earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some
here say it was a fluke, but what they really mean is a 1 hit
wonder. It's impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a
grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing
achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close
is Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but
they are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times
whereas Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking
amazingly young to win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
She benefited from qualifying & being unknown.
That would imply many qualifiers have won slams thanks to these
benefits/advantages.
There are many lucky winners & one hit wonders, this is just
continuation to that.
Also, Covid made it more likely.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Honestly I don't understand your criticism of Raducanu. Explain to me of you like.
I mean logically.
1) If she's going to be an all-time great and you criticize her lack of progress and you're impatient with her I'm pointing to the fact many all-time greats didn't start dominating from age 17.
That's not meaningless at all.
Djokovic had 0 slams at age 20 and 1 at age 23. Serena won her USO in 1999 and it took her almost 3 years until her second slam.
So this is not "some shit", it's a very important observation. Career paths are not easily comparable, especially for all-time greats.
2) If she's not going to be an all-time great, if she's some standard decent player who happened to win a slam, and won't win (many) more in the future, or will spend her career as low ranked player plagued by injuries or off court distractions, well,she did already win a slam and by that logic, her best days are behind her, it and if you think she lacks potential or desire to win more, then what's there to discuss? Why don't you discuss Bouchard od Kenin?
But you guys have a pick on Raducanu, obviously EXPECTING her to become all-time great, endlessly posting about her, so you're on the same page as Whisper.
You're not wasting your energy on former slam champion Kenin and her potential comeback or previous great hope Bouchard.
You're wasting your energy on Raducanu.
On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her
body can tolerate this level
Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
she can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But
Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)
Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting
achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this, and I
heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll
probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down
the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was
only her 2nd ever slam appearance and she was ranked 334 a few weeks
earlier. I can't imagine that ever happening again. Some here say it
was a fluke, but what they really mean is a 1 hit wonder. It's
impossible to fluke a tennis tournament let alone a grand slam.
Not sure exactly where I place it, but it could be the most amazing
achievement I've ever seen. The only thing thing that comes close is
Becker's 1st Wimbledon title at 17. Maybe Becker comes 1st, but they
are very close. Becker was points from losing a couple times whereas
Emma just crushed everyone, but still 17 is fucking amazingly young to
win an open era men's Wimbledon title.
All that may indeed be true, but what people are saying is that she has
a very cloudy tennis future. As time passes, the USO run may be her
highwater mark.
You can't argue with her legitimate achievement; it's done and it's
*there*. It's what has happened afterward and is continuing to happen
that's properly under discussion.
And you know this, I believe.
Of course I know this, but it's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
Where this ranks in the most amazing sporting results is not dependent
on future events. Her prospects going forward is a separate discussion/issue that I have given very little thought to.
Whisper kirjoitti 7.1.2024 klo 10.31:
Of course I know this, but it's completely irrelevant to the
discussion. Where this ranks in the most amazing sporting results is
not dependent on future events. Her prospects going forward is a
separate discussion/issue that I have given very little thought to.
I think you're the only one discussing where it ranks in the most
amazing tennis achievements.
I think many here are wrapped up in goat discussions (me too, but it's
not the only interesting aspect in tennis), and can't appreciate
anything less. It's like they can't stop to smell the roses, just constantly looking forward to 'what's next?' and glossing over the achievement.
On 1/6/24 10:08 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:>>PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>>> Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her >>> body can tolerate this level>>>> Nice that you brought up Raducanu at same breath with legends. Now
and I > heard a top tennis podcaster say exactly the same thing today. We'll > probably never see a qualifier win a slam again, let alone mow down > the whole field in straight sets without breaking a sweat. It was > only her 2nd ever slam appearanceshe can continue her interrupted streak of calendar slams. But >> Whisper may be able to talk more about this topic. :)>>> Raducanu's US Open win is arguably the most remarkable sporting > achievement ever, not just in tennis. I've always said this,
On 1/7/24 1:22 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 10:08 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrotein message:r>> On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>>> Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her >>> body can
Bellucci pushed him to 75 in first round and Djokovic pushed him to tie-break in semi.>>> Think about that.>>>>> Is Whisper really a troll for saying all these praises?>> Or are others who "poke" at Whisper?>>Skript, no disrespect intended, but are youreally, really bored today?;^)
On 1/7/24 12:38 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 7/01/2024 5:08 pm, *skriptis wrote:
You're wasting your energy on Raducanu.
I think many here are wrapped up in goat discussions (me too, but it's
not the only interesting aspect in tennis), and can't appreciate
anything less. It's like they can't stop to smell the roses, just
constantly looking forward to 'what's next?' and glossing over the
achievement.
There are other attractions at RST, as you well know. One of them is
poking holes in the shaky assertions of others.
That's what this one is about.
On 1/6/24 10:08 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On 1/6/24 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>
Because Bouchard and Kenin don't have a fan club composed of horndog
2) If she's not going to be an all-time great, if she's some standard
decent player who happened to win a slam, and won't win (many) more in
the future, or will spend her career as low ranked player plagued by
injuries or off court distractions, well, she did already win a slam
and by that logic, her best days are behind her, it and if you think
she lacks potential or desire to win more, then what's there to
discuss? Why don't you discuss Bouchard od Kenin?
gambling addicts who mention them as tennis goddesses.
I'm aiming at Whisper and I believe you know this, skript.
But you guys have a pick on Raducanu, obviously EXPECTING her to
become all-time great, endlessly posting about her, so you're on the
same page as Whisper.
You're not wasting your energy on former slam champion Kenin and her
potential comeback or previous great hope Bouchard.
You're wasting your energy on Raducanu.
I *like* the Whisp, but live by the sword, die by the sword, as they
say. He may yet learn; the jury is out, just like with Raducanu.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rWrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 4:03 AM, Whisper wrote:> On 5/01/2024 6:03 am, TT wrote:>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 20.30:>>> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>>> Btw, Radu looks to be on the right track, but I don't know if her >>> body can
On 1/7/24 1:22 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 10:08 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 1/6/24 9:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com>
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I genuinely see Whisper as being spot on.
I mean go ahead list slam wins that you feel are more impressive than Raducanu?
As I mentioned, you'll have trouble finding even Nadal's FO runs in which no one had pushed him to 5 games in any of the sets.
I know the difference men and women, blablabla, but if a dominant force like Nadal on clay couldn't do it, and Raducanu did it, how is that not impressive?
I'm genuinely impartial here as I rarely watch of discuss female tennis, but I couldn't notice all of Raducanu criticism and I feel those Raducanu "haters" are mostly trolls with some sort of agenda?
I just don't understand your point or issue that's bothering you.
If your intention is not trolling.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
I'll get fried here on RST, I know it already, but I think you are a
perceptive guy, skript. Very perceptive, really.
What's going on with Whisp and me and some others is not about
tennis. It's about a guy who pisses as high on the wall as he can, as
often as he can, and I'm pointing out that this time his fly is open
and he has apparently peed on his shoes.
I *think* you must see this, right? If not, I've read you wrong.
He knows, but he loves the Trumpian or Limbaughesque approach to
discourse. He needs a "strongman" to tell him what to think and what
causes to believe in, even if the position is mostly indefensible. Deep
down he's a cowardly little man with a massive inferiority complex. He
shows it every day if you're paying attention. Sad.
On 1/7/24 3:15 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rI'll get fried here on RST, I know it already, but I think you are a perceptive guy, skript. Very perceptive, really.
I just don't understand your point or issue that's bothering you.
If your intention is not trolling.
What's going on with Whisp and me and some others is not about tennis.
It's about a guy who pisses as high on the wall as he can, as often as
he can, and I'm pointing out that this time his fly is open and he has apparently peed on his shoes.
I *think* you must see this, right? If not, I've read you wrong.
He did two things back then in his major Raducanu phase: he portrayed
her USO run as remarkable. It is, no debate.
However, this was not enough. He went on to whip his dick out and pee as
high as he could by PREDICTING great things for Raducanu, which was at
best premature. But even then I'd certainly forget all about it.
But subsequently, as her problems became apparent--and since you're perceptive, I expect you to have noticed: she doesn't want to play with enough desire to win--he doubled down repeatedly. He was just like Trump
at his worst.
It is not possible for me not to poke at this sort of solipsistic intransigence.
Can you dig it, skript? Do you *really* feel the need to become
involved, and to possibly die on a hill made of Trump-like bravado,
alongside someone who sometimes is a LOT like Trump?
Me, I'll die alone in my own foxhole, thanks very much.
On 1/8/24 12:20 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 8/01/2024 11:57 am, Sawfish wrote:I'm not going to create you as a personal enemy to poke at for no reason other than rage therapy, as some here on RST do. Basically you're a
On 1/7/24 3:15 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rI'll get fried here on RST, I know it already, but I think you are a
I just don't understand your point or issue that's bothering you.
If your intention is not trolling.
perceptive guy, skript. Very perceptive, really.
What's going on with Whisp and me and some others is not about
tennis. It's about a guy who pisses as high on the wall as he can, as
often as he can, and I'm pointing out that this time his fly is open
and he has apparently peed on his shoes.
I *think* you must see this, right? If not, I've read you wrong.
He did two things back then in his major Raducanu phase: he portrayed
her USO run as remarkable. It is, no debate.
However, this was not enough. He went on to whip his dick out and pee
as high as he could by PREDICTING great things for Raducanu, which
was at best premature. But even then I'd certainly forget all about it.
If you have any integrity you'll apologize for this lie. I'm pretty
sure you have integrity but will apologize is some insincere way
because you like to pander to this false view of 'Whisper'.
But subsequently, as her problems became apparent--and since you're
perceptive, I expect you to have noticed: she doesn't want to play
with enough desire to win--he doubled down repeatedly. He was just
like Trump at his worst.
It is not possible for me not to poke at this sort of solipsistic
intransigence.
Can you dig it, skript? Do you *really* feel the need to become
involved, and to possibly die on a hill made of Trump-like bravado,
alongside someone who sometimes is a LOT like Trump?
Me, I'll die alone in my own foxhole, thanks very much.
This is embarrassing Sawfish but you're a good guy so not going to go
hard on you. I just think you're being very careless and not reading
everything, just skimming and filling in the gaps. This doesn't work
all the time and can make people look very foolish at times. skript
as usual is on the ball.
decent sort, very perceptive, especially on non-tennis things; much more positive than negative. However, I'll say that you have a propensity for letting your mouth run *when there is a matter of opinion, rather than
an issue that can be falsified*--and you do this in a cocksure
tone--which could be funny at times. That's actually a colorful aspect
to a lot of people and harmless, really, but it's something that can get
to people, and I'm one of them.
But naw, I wouldn't apologize even if I thought I owed you one; it's
even odds that you'd misuse the positive gesture for your own rhetorical gain--and if you didn't others would. That's the nature of RST. In the future, if there is one, we'll just have to work around this.
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