Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total nightmare,
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, this was after chopping down millions of trees for them.Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 11:18:48 UTC, jdeluise wrote:
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:
Well, don't let perfect stand in the way of good. Although I'd agree
1. You remove the trees or depending on location you clear up the
space to prepare for inserting pilons in the ground, building
foundations for those structure, you totally destroy nature there.
2. You kill birds.
3. You still use oil.
4. No real gains in terms of energy.
5. Looks ugly.
That's horrible stuff, it's like tranny surgery. Makes no sense.
that any form of renewable energy that relies on surface conditions
(wind/solar particularly) is not particularly resilient on its own.
Tell me, what kind of large-scale industrial machinery doesn't require a
constant supply of consumables? Or doesn't require maintenance or never
has accidents? The whole point is how efficient or not efficient the
technology is compared to existing fuel production, along with its
potential for growth and improvement. The article (or the part I read)
doesn't even address that... instead it's "oh, no, a wind turbine uses
1400 litres of oil!" Is that a lot? How quickly does it consume this
amount of oil?
obvious point is the headline about wind turbines being "sustainable energy" is a total lie and false,
just look at skrip's list above. It's well known wind is nowhere near as efficient as nuclear.
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, this was after chopping down millions of trees for them.Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat them
up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, this was
after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland
have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep them
warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel generators
to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 litres
of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and sprayed
across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be DISMANTLED
after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to
keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell you
that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia Gorge,
in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what you said, but
with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat them
up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, this was
after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic leftist
disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland
have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep
them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 litres
of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and sprayed
across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed
by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to
keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell you
that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia
Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what you
said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, featuring
woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple decades of
use. The blades just cant function much longer. That makes A LOT of problematic waste.
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat them
up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, this was
after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic leftist
disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland
have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep
them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000
litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and
sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed
by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to
keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell you >>>> that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia
Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what you
said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, featuring
woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only having
the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for prey on the
ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for buildings,
rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the boner to a new
direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem solver. Might not
cure your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple decades of
use. The blades just cant function much longer. That makes A LOT of
problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat
them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside,
this was after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic
leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland
have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep
them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000
litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and
sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been killed
by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil to
keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t tell
you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia
Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what
you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, featuring
woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for prey
on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for
buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the boner
to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem solver.
Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple decades
of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That makes A LOT
of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat
them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside,
this was after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic
leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in Scotland >>>>>> have been powered by huge diesel generators in the winter to keep
them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000
litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and
sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been
killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil
to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t
tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia
Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what
you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, featuring
woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for prey
on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for
buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the boner
to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem solver.
Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell you?
It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor. You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple decades
of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That makes A LOT
of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a train
that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the other end
of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken at face value.
Cheers.
BTW, what ever happened to geothermal and tide power generation? I don't say that snidely: I'd like to know. About 30 or so years ago there was a lot of optimism about this stuff.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total
nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat
them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, >>>>>>> this was after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic >>>>>>> leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the
winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000
litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and >>>>>>> sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been
killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil >>>>>>> to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t >>>>>>> tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia
Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what
you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, featuring
woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for prey
on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for
buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the boner
to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem solver.
Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell you?
It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor. You're
not argued point by/against point but mocked.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple decades
of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That makes A LOT
of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a train
that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the other
end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken at face
value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem when
it comes to wind energy.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing
anywhere for a long long time.
You're just completely ignorant about
this topic.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're incapable of discussing anything seriously...
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total >>>>>>>> nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat >>>>>>>> them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, >>>>>>>> this was after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic >>>>>>>> leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the
winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 >>>>>>>> litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and >>>>>>>> sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been
killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil >>>>>>>> to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t >>>>>>>> tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia >>>>>>> Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what >>>>>>> you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for
prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for
buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the
boner to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem
solver. Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the
offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school. But I guess
intersectional feminism is important too.
you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um,
interlocutor. You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple
decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That
makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a train
that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the other
end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken at face
value. Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem
when it comes to wind energy. And no, power plants won't be
disappearing anywhere for a long long time. You're just completely
ignorant about this topic.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're incapable
of discussing anything seriously... all we get is some snappy
one-liners worth nothing.
Tell us again why an unemployed tron champ is an expert on wind power? Besides hot wind, that is..
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total >>>>>>>> nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat >>>>>>>> them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish countryside, >>>>>>>> this was after chopping down millions of trees for them. Classic >>>>>>>> leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the
winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 >>>>>>>> litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines and >>>>>>>> sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been
killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of oil >>>>>>>> to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media didn’t >>>>>>>> tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia >>>>>>> Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of what >>>>>>> you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for
prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for
buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the
boner to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem
solver. Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the
offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell
you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor.
You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple
decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That
makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a train
that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the other
end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken at face
value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem
when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed are
problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave the ones
away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when they need
repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind turbines do. When a
1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for decades, THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs in
total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long long time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're incapable
of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished" power
plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total >>>>>>>>> nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to heat >>>>>>>>> them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish
countryside, this was after chopping down millions of trees for >>>>>>>>> them. Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the
winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel
generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 >>>>>>>>> litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines >>>>>>>>> and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be
DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been >>>>>>>>> killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of >>>>>>>>> oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media
didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work.
I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the Columbia >>>>>>>> Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the same of
what you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with
grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only
having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for
prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out for >>>>>> buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing the
boner to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful problem
solver. Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for the
offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell
you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor.
You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple
decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That
makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a
train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the
other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken
at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem
when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed are
problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave the ones
away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when they need
repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind turbines do. When
a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for decades, THAT
gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs in
total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long long
time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're incapable
of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished" power
plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was before
excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough electricity for entire Finland... we're already buying from Estonia. Cold weather, no
wind (as always in cold weather), high electricity consumption...
On 4.1.2024 16.31, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a total >>>>>>>>>> nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators to >>>>>>>>>> heat them up and then they totally polluted the ScottishI posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the
countryside, this was after chopping down millions of trees >>>>>>>>>> for them. Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the >>>>>>>>>> winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>>> generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed. >>>>>>>>>>
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000 >>>>>>>>>> litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power turbines >>>>>>>>>> and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be >>>>>>>>>> DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been >>>>>>>>>> killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of >>>>>>>>>> oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media >>>>>>>>>> didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work. >>>>>>>>>
Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the >>>>>>>>> same of what you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with >>>>>>> grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from only >>>>>>> having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out for
prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch out
for buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines. Pointing
the boner to a new direction in case of trouble is a powerful
problem solver. Might not cure your ills, but could cure them for >>>>>>> the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell
you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor.
You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple
decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That >>>>>>>> makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer? >>>>>
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a
train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at the
other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really taken
at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem
when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed are
problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave the
ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when they
need repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind turbines do.
When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for decades,
THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs in
total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long long
time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're incapable
of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished" power
plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was before
excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough electricity
for entire Finland... we're already buying from Estonia. Cold weather,
no wind (as always in cold weather), high electricity consumption...
You got it wrong again. According to Fingrid's real-time page,
production off wind has been low but stable. About 1/4 of capacity. This
was the case a couple of days ago when the spot price was below 10c/kWh.
In fact, tomorrow, the day of the record prices, production from bird killing, oil dripping, falling off blades is expected to go ... UP.
Today, 3 power plants are off to maintenance. A 1000 MW, one NPP worth, missing from the grid. Power plants that were supposed to sing along
until demolition-day with zero maintenance, zero problems, no capital
costs. "They were? Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
It's always the same. Failing power plants. And the occasional once-in-a-decade frost.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 18.31:
On 4.1.2024 16.31, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a >>>>>>>>>>> total nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel generators >>>>>>>>>>> to heat them up and then they totally polluted the Scottish >>>>>>>>>>> countryside, this was after chopping down millions of trees >>>>>>>>>>> for them. Classic leftist disaster.I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>>>> Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the >>>>>>>>>>> winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>>>> generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed. >>>>>>>>>>>
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over >>>>>>>>>>> 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power >>>>>>>>>>> turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be >>>>>>>>>>> DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been >>>>>>>>>>> killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of >>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media >>>>>>>>>>> didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work. >>>>>>>>>>
Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the >>>>>>>>>> same of what you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with >>>>>>>> grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from
only having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check out >>>>>>>> for prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to watch >>>>>>>> out for buildings, rotating blades, and airplane engines.
Pointing the boner to a new direction in case of trouble is a
powerful problem solver. Might not cure your ills, but could
cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell
you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor.
You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer? >>>>>>These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple
decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That >>>>>>>>> makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades. >>>>>>
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a
train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at
the other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really
taken at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem
when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed are
problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave the
ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when they
need repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind turbines
do. When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for
decades, THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs
in total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long long
time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're
incapable of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished" power
plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was before
excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough electricity
for entire Finland... we're already buying from Estonia. Cold
weather, no wind (as always in cold weather), high electricity
consumption...
You got it wrong again. According to Fingrid's real-time page,
production off wind has been low but stable. About 1/4 of capacity.
This was the case a couple of days ago when the spot price was below
10c/kWh. In fact, tomorrow, the day of the record prices, production
from bird killing, oil dripping, falling off blades is expected to go
... UP.
Today, 3 power plants are off to maintenance. A 1000 MW, one NPP
worth, missing from the grid. Power plants that were supposed to sing
along until demolition-day with zero maintenance, zero problems, no
capital costs. "They were? Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
It's always the same. Failing power plants. And the occasional
once-in-a-decade frost.
You're right, there is some wind along the Swedish coast, and also a
little warmer temperature there. Lucky.
You reckon it's a good idea to trust on luck?
Let's demolish all the
plants, maybe we get lucky again...
"Failing power plants" wouldn't be a problem if there were enough power plants.
On 4.1.2024 20.58, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 18.31:
On 4.1.2024 16.31, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a >>>>>>>>>>>> total nightmare, it classic they had to use dieselI posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the
generators to heat them up and then they totally polluted >>>>>>>>>>>> the Scottish countryside, this was after chopping down >>>>>>>>>>>> millions of trees for them. Classic leftist disaster.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>>>>> Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the >>>>>>>>>>>> winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>>>>> generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed. >>>>>>>>>>>>
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over >>>>>>>>>>>> 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power >>>>>>>>>>>> turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside.
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be >>>>>>>>>>>> DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have been >>>>>>>>>>>> killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres of >>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream media >>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work. >>>>>>>>>>>
Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of the >>>>>>>>>>> same of what you said, but with pictures.
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago,
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating
with grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart >>>>>>>>> from only having the ability to point the eyes downwards to
check out for prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards >>>>>>>>> to watch out for buildings, rotating blades, and airplane
engines. Pointing the boner to a new direction in case of
trouble is a powerful problem solver. Might not cure your ills, >>>>>>>>> but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell >>>>>>> you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor. >>>>>>> You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint ofThese things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple >>>>>>>>>> decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. >>>>>>>>>> That makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades. >>>>>>>
beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a
train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at
the other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really >>>>>>> taken at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest problem >>>>>> when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed are
problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave the
ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when they
need repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind turbines
do. When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for
decades, THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs
in total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long
long time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're
incapable of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished"
power plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2 >>>>
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was before
excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough electricity
for entire Finland... we're already buying from Estonia. Cold
weather, no wind (as always in cold weather), high electricity
consumption...
You got it wrong again. According to Fingrid's real-time page,
production off wind has been low but stable. About 1/4 of capacity.
This was the case a couple of days ago when the spot price was below
10c/kWh. In fact, tomorrow, the day of the record prices, production
from bird killing, oil dripping, falling off blades is expected to go
... UP.
Today, 3 power plants are off to maintenance. A 1000 MW, one NPP
worth, missing from the grid. Power plants that were supposed to sing
along until demolition-day with zero maintenance, zero problems, no
capital costs. "They were? Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
It's always the same. Failing power plants. And the occasional
once-in-a-decade frost.
You're right, there is some wind along the Swedish coast, and also a
little warmer temperature there. Lucky.
You reckon it's a good idea to trust on luck?
We're not going to die. This Friday will be over soon and nothing ever happened. Power will be dirt cheap again. I will spend today what I made
with the -50c/kWh Norwegian power a few weeks ago.
Let's demolish all the plants, maybe we get lucky again...
Nobody is demolishing anything.
"Failing power plants" wouldn't be a problem if there were enough
power plants.
How many is enough? If you want to be 100% sure, you need backup NPPs
for backup NPPs that are in production once a decade. A command economy
will not have the answer.
We have it good right now. For the first time, we produce abouts the electricity we use. On the whole. The open grid gives us leeway, The
link to Sweden will get an update soon. No need to import power from
Russia anymore. Cut off only a while ago. Uranium is another story. Most
of this, thanks to our previous government gween twansitioning us
through tough times. Likely the plans for another NPP that Putin's war
tore up will be put on the drawing board again. If there is money in
that. We've had more days of NPPs running at a fraction of capacity than
days like today.
Thanks, Sanna, for everything!
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
On 4.1.2024 20.58, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 18.31:
On 4.1.2024 16.31, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a >>>>>>>>>>>>> total nightmare, it classic they had to use dieselI posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the >>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of >>>>>>>>>>>> the same of what you said, but with pictures.
generators to heat them up and then they totally polluted >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Scottish countryside, this was after chopping down >>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of trees for them. Classic leftist disaster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>>>>>> generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power >>>>>>>>>>>>> turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres >>>>>>>>>>>>> of oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream >>>>>>>>>>>>> media didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work. >>>>>>>>>>>>
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>> featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating >>>>>>>>>> with grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart >>>>>>>>>> from only having the ability to point the eyes downwards to >>>>>>>>>> check out for prey on the ground, can also take a peek
forwards to watch out for buildings, rotating blades, and
airplane engines. Pointing the boner to a new direction in >>>>>>>>>> case of trouble is a powerful problem solver. Might not cure >>>>>>>>>> your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that
tell you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um,
interlocutor. You're not argued point by/against point but mocked. >>>>>>>>
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of >>>>>>>> beer?These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple >>>>>>>>>>> decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. >>>>>>>>>>> That makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple decades. >>>>>>>>
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a >>>>>>>> train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at >>>>>>>> the other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not really >>>>>>>> taken at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest
problem when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed
are problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave
the ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when
they need repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind
turbines do. When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months,
possibly for decades, THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs >>>>>> in total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long
long time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're
incapable of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished"
power plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2 >>>>>
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was before
excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough electricity
for entire Finland... we're already buying from Estonia. Cold
weather, no wind (as always in cold weather), high electricity
consumption...
You got it wrong again. According to Fingrid's real-time page,
production off wind has been low but stable. About 1/4 of capacity.
This was the case a couple of days ago when the spot price was below
10c/kWh. In fact, tomorrow, the day of the record prices, production
from bird killing, oil dripping, falling off blades is expected to
go ... UP.
Today, 3 power plants are off to maintenance. A 1000 MW, one NPP
worth, missing from the grid. Power plants that were supposed to
sing along until demolition-day with zero maintenance, zero
problems, no capital costs. "They were? Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
It's always the same. Failing power plants. And the occasional
once-in-a-decade frost.
You're right, there is some wind along the Swedish coast, and also a
little warmer temperature there. Lucky.
You reckon it's a good idea to trust on luck?
We're not going to die. This Friday will be over soon and nothing ever
happened. Power will be dirt cheap again. I will spend today what I
made with the -50c/kWh Norwegian power a few weeks ago.
Let's demolish all the plants, maybe we get lucky again...
Nobody is demolishing anything.
"Failing power plants" wouldn't be a problem if there were enough
power plants.
How many is enough? If you want to be 100% sure, you need backup NPPs
for backup NPPs that are in production once a decade. A command
economy will not have the answer.
We have it good right now. For the first time, we produce abouts the
electricity we use. On the whole. The open grid gives us leeway, The
link to Sweden will get an update soon. No need to import power from
Russia anymore. Cut off only a while ago. Uranium is another story.
Most of this, thanks to our previous government gween twansitioning us
through tough times. Likely the plans for another NPP that Putin's war
tore up will be put on the drawing board again. If there is money in
that. We've had more days of NPPs running at a fraction of capacity
than days like today.
Thanks, Sanna, for everything!
https://x.com/MRinnekangas/status/1743191301653217403?s=20
TT kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 11.57:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
On 4.1.2024 20.58, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 18.31:
On 4.1.2024 16.31, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 12.17:
On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:
On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:
On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:
On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> total nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generators to heat them up and then they totally polluted >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Scottish countryside, this was after chopping down >>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of trees for them. Classic leftist disaster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I posted this about a large commercial wind farm in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year ago. It's more of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same of what you said, but with pictures.
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the winter to keep them warm.
71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diesel generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault >>>>>>>>>>>>>> developed.
But not only that, the whistle blower also said that over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4000 litres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power >>>>>>>>>>>>>> turbines and sprayed across the Scottish countryside. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And recently a court in France has ordered a windfarm to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be DISMANTLED after it was found that over 1000 birds have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been killed by the blades.
Did you know that wind turbines contain up to 1400 litres >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how the mainstream >>>>>>>>>>>>>> media didn’t tell you that…
Let’s take a look at why renewable energy doesn’t work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, >>>>>>>>>>>> featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.
Lol. You don't care about baldy eagles.
Why not?
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating >>>>>>>>>>> with grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart >>>>>>>>>>> from only having the ability to point the eyes downwards to >>>>>>>>>>> check out for prey on the ground, can also take a peek
forwards to watch out for buildings, rotating blades, and >>>>>>>>>>> airplane engines. Pointing the boner to a new direction in >>>>>>>>>>> case of trouble is a powerful problem solver. Might not cure >>>>>>>>>>> your ills, but could cure them for the offspring.
It's a wonderful world.
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.
But I guess intersectional feminism is important too.
When somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that >>>>>>>>> tell you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um,
interlocutor. You're not argued point by/against point but mocked. >>>>>>>>>
These things are evil. And have to be replaced after couple >>>>>>>>>>>> decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. >>>>>>>>>>>> That makes A LOT of problematic waste.
Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.
No. Power plants don't need to be demolished after couple
decades.
Geez. Where do you get all this knowledge? Twitter or a pint of >>>>>>>>> beer?
The MWh/lifetime costs of different sources of electricity is a >>>>>>>>> train that has left the station long since. If a bird or two at >>>>>>>>> the other end of the scales is all you've got, you're not
really taken at face value.
Cheers.
Birds are an unfortunate side story, and it's the smallest
problem when it comes to wind energy.
Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far noticed
are problems that everything else has as well. You just hand-wave >>>>>>> the ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't "demolished" when >>>>>>> they need repair, but they sure need maintenance just as wind
turbines do. When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months,
possibly for decades, THAT gets expensive.
People who actually know what they are doing, include these
stuffs in total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need
to know.
And no, power plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long >>>>>>>> long time.
Have I said otherwise?
You're just completely ignorant about this topic.
I mean, really.
But it's waste of time to educate you further since you're
incapable of discussing anything seriously...
Try me. With something other than two dead birds, "demolished"
power plants, and German coal.
Not happening.
Wind working magnificently again...
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/d0d86ffc-58ec-4b1d-a4cc-2dabe2e009a2 >>>>>>
Electricity prices today & tomorrow 5 times the price it was
before excessive eagle slaughters.
It's actually quite close atm that there even is enough
electricity for entire Finland... we're already buying from
Estonia. Cold weather, no wind (as always in cold weather), high
electricity consumption...
You got it wrong again. According to Fingrid's real-time page,
production off wind has been low but stable. About 1/4 of capacity.
This was the case a couple of days ago when the spot price was
below 10c/kWh. In fact, tomorrow, the day of the record prices,
production from bird killing, oil dripping, falling off blades is
expected to go ... UP.
Today, 3 power plants are off to maintenance. A 1000 MW, one NPP
worth, missing from the grid. Power plants that were supposed to
sing along until demolition-day with zero maintenance, zero
problems, no capital costs. "They were? Oh, boo hoo hoo!"
It's always the same. Failing power plants. And the occasional
once-in-a-decade frost.
You're right, there is some wind along the Swedish coast, and also a
little warmer temperature there. Lucky.
You reckon it's a good idea to trust on luck?
We're not going to die. This Friday will be over soon and nothing
ever happened. Power will be dirt cheap again. I will spend today
what I made with the -50c/kWh Norwegian power a few weeks ago.
Let's demolish all the plants, maybe we get lucky again...
Nobody is demolishing anything.
"Failing power plants" wouldn't be a problem if there were enough
power plants.
How many is enough? If you want to be 100% sure, you need backup NPPs
for backup NPPs that are in production once a decade. A command
economy will not have the answer.
We have it good right now. For the first time, we produce abouts the
electricity we use. On the whole. The open grid gives us leeway, The
link to Sweden will get an update soon. No need to import power from
Russia anymore. Cut off only a while ago. Uranium is another story.
Most of this, thanks to our previous government gween twansitioning
us through tough times. Likely the plans for another NPP that Putin's
war tore up will be put on the drawing board again. If there is money
in that. We've had more days of NPPs running at a fraction of
capacity than days like today.
Thanks, Sanna, for everything!
https://x.com/MRinnekangas/status/1743191301653217403?s=20
Yeah, thanks Sanna & greens.
Wonder if the US LNG ship is in operation now.
The electricity today costs at best 40 times more than my previous
contract.
https://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/
1800e/MWh... that's 1.8 euros /kwh... jesus fucking christ, my previous contract was for less than 5 cents.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 11.57:
now.
The electricity today costs at best 40 times more than my previous
contract.
https://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/
1800e/MWh... that's 1.8 euros /kwh... jesus fucking christ, my
previous contract was for less than 5 cents.
Get a job.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
jdeluise kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 18.11:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 11.57:Get a job.
now.
The electricity today costs at best 40 times more than my previous
contract.
https://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/
1800e/MWh... that's 1.8 euros /kwh... jesus fucking christ, my
previous contract was for less than 5 cents.
What are you, a green hippie with a manbun? What's your pronoun?
Whatever I am, I can afford electricity without a thought. Maybe cut
back on the cheetos, mountain dew and MAME and you might be able to
afford it too?
Diverging a bit, what are the group's thoughts of the long term impact of air traffic on the climate?On 1/4/24 4:37 AM, The Iceberg wrote:> On 04/01/2024 10:17, Pelle Svanslös wrote:>> On 4.1.2024 0.39, TT wrote:>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024klo 0.15:>>>> On 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo 21.33:>>>>>> On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:>>>>>>> Sawfish kirjoitti 30.12.2023 klo 18.14:>>>>>>>> On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg wrote:>>>>>>>>> Pelle and his anti-
generators in the >>>>>>>>> winter to keep them warm.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 71 wind power turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>> generators to de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But not only that, the whistlefor them. Classic leftist disaster.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>> Scotland have been powered by huge diesel
replaced after couple >>>>>>> decades of use. The blades just cant function much longer. That >>>>>>> makes A LOT of problematic waste.>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades of use.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. Power plants don't need to beWhen somebody posts argumenst like the above, what does that tell >>>> you? It tells you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor. >>>> You're not argued point by/against point but mocked.>>>>>>>>>>> These things are evil. And have to be
publicised when it comes to wind turbines though is it, > how are those subsidies? It's a bit like the Chinese Hinkley Point > where the power is actually more expensive to produce/maintain than > you can charge for it.>>>> And no, power plants won't beWhen a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for weeks/months, possibly for decades, >> THAT gets expensive.>>>> People who actually know what they are doing, include these stuffs in >> total lifetime costs of production. That's all I need to know.>> it's not well
undecided <costasz@gmail.com> writes:> I am going to say this: There's no free lunch. Due to conservation of> energy we're about to have issues with all 'renewables'. Removing wind> energy from the atmosphere will have unforeseen effects that won't>surface for decades. Removing tidal energy from the oceans will> too. We're making these massive changes to the ecosystem with these> with no forethought. It's all about making money at this point and the> well-meaning greenies are the useful idiots.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
jdeluise kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 18.42:
Yet you can't afford a haircut or meat.
Meat? I thought you were worried about all the little biwrdies?!
On 1/5/24 1:16 PM, TT wrote:
jdeluise kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 21.07:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
jdeluise kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 18.42:
Yet you can't afford a haircut or meat.
Meat? I thought you were worried about all the little biwrdies?!
I don't know about Alaska, but flocks of chicken flying into wind
turbines is not a large scale problem here.
No one here gives a shit about the birds; they are merely using them as
a cat's paw against their sworn enemies. :^)
Nobody is demolishing anything.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like ugly things?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal plants are pretty to you? Must be asoviet thing.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like ugly things?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal plants are pretty to you? Must be asoviet thing.
They're sure prettier than "wind turbines".
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like uglythings?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal plants
are pretty to you? Must be asoviet thing.
They're sure prettier than "wind turbines".
Well, let's compare....
https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/h_57376970-800x450.jpg
or
https://imgur.com/gallery/lLzOdpv
;)
*skriptis kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 9.19:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like ugly things?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal plants are pretty to you?Must be asoviet thing.> > > They're sure prettier than "wind turbines".> > > This (Hanasaari power plant) is certainly more beautiful than hundreds of gigantic windmills replacing it:https://wikimapia.org/1710386/Hanasaari-Power-Plant#/photo/8587764Not
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like uglythings?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal plants
are pretty to you? Must be asoviet thing.
They're sure prettier than "wind turbines".
Well, let's compare....
https://www.euractiv.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/h_57376970-800x450.jpg
or
https://imgur.com/gallery/lLzOdpv
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
Nobody is demolishing anything.
Already demolished.
Like the Inkoo CHP plant now "replaced" by LNG ship
from USA which costs hundreds of millions for just standing there.
And some will be demolished in near future, as the already shut down extremely energy efficient Hanasaari CHP coal plant.
But it's coal so
demolishing it is good, right?
Not really... I used to get heat from
Hanasaari, now the heat comes from local reserve power plant which burns
oil. Typically green transition... replacing energy source may have no backup, is more expensive, less energy efficient and pollutes more.
https://chpalliance.org/chp-is-a-low-carbon-reliable-alternative-to-new-central-gas-plants/
https://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/
The electricity is quite close to running out, actually.
On 6.1.2024 2.20, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
Nobody is demolishing anything.
Already demolished.
You know what it means.
Like the Inkoo CHP plant now "replaced" by LNG ship
The Inkoo plant was losing money => shut down 10 years ago => razed.
The LNG terminal was built a year ago on the site where the plant was situated. The site has shipping lanes and possibly other infra in place.
"Replaced"? How specious can you get.
from USA which costs hundreds of millions for just standing there.
I believe it's supposed to "just stand there". Then a cargo arrives.
If you're unhappy about the terminal, call Putin.
And some will be demolished in near future, as the already shut down
extremely energy efficient Hanasaari CHP coal plant.
Emissions & wind => another plant is unprofitable => closed down. The
logic of capitalism. Demolition time!
If you insist on keeping these plants around, you have to be prepared to
pay for that. Nobody else, including the owner, Helen, is doing that.
Just get that cheapo fixed 10c/kWh deal from Helen and you can stop the whining.
But it's coal so demolishing it is good, right?
You're funny.
Not really... I used to get heat from Hanasaari, now the heat comes
from local reserve power plant which burns oil. Typically green
transition... replacing energy source may have no backup, is more
expensive, less energy efficient and pollutes more.
https://chpalliance.org/chp-is-a-low-carbon-reliable-alternative-to-new-central-gas-plants/
Impressive. You really should be taking your advice to the boards of
Helen etc. Tell them about the birds too. I'm sure they'll listen.
Then again, maybe not.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.57:
On 6.1.2024 2.20, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
Nobody is demolishing anything.
Already demolished.
You know what it means.
Like the Inkoo CHP plant now "replaced" by LNG ship
The Inkoo plant was losing money => shut down 10 years ago => razed.
The LNG terminal was built a year ago on the site where the plant was
situated. The site has shipping lanes and possibly other infra in place.
"Replaced"? How specious can you get.
from USA which costs hundreds of millions for just standing there.
I believe it's supposed to "just stand there". Then a cargo arrives.
If you're unhappy about the terminal, call Putin.
And some will be demolished in near future, as the already shut down
extremely energy efficient Hanasaari CHP coal plant.
Emissions & wind => another plant is unprofitable => closed down. The
logic of capitalism. Demolition time!
If you insist on keeping these plants around, you have to be prepared
to pay for that. Nobody else, including the owner, Helen, is doing that.
Just get that cheapo fixed 10c/kWh deal from Helen and you can stop
the whining.
But it's coal so demolishing it is good, right?
You're funny.
Not really... I used to get heat from Hanasaari, now the heat comes
from local reserve power plant which burns oil. Typically green
transition... replacing energy source may have no backup, is more
expensive, less energy efficient and pollutes more.
https://chpalliance.org/chp-is-a-low-carbon-reliable-alternative-to-new-central-gas-plants/
Impressive. You really should be taking your advice to the boards of
Helen etc. Tell them about the birds too. I'm sure they'll listen.
Then again, maybe not.
They were closed by greens,
it was not about profitability but more an
ideological decision.
Besides, greens creating carbon fees and then
justifying closing plants with them is a circular argument.
Anyway, Poland has all-coal and cheapest energy prices in EU.
-
Helen finally got rid of old green ideologue - part-time-hobgoblin -
Osmo Soininvaara... and replaced him with a green young imbecile, Atte Harjanne. Soinivaara wouldn't tolerate differing opinions and Harjanne
seems too dumb & politicized to discuss with.
https://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000009547134.html
This political appointment
On 6.1.2024 19.59, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.57:
On 6.1.2024 2.20, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
Nobody is demolishing anything.
Already demolished.
You know what it means.
Like the Inkoo CHP plant now "replaced" by LNG ship
The Inkoo plant was losing money => shut down 10 years ago => razed.
The LNG terminal was built a year ago on the site where the plant was
situated. The site has shipping lanes and possibly other infra in place. >>>
"Replaced"? How specious can you get.
from USA which costs hundreds of millions for just standing there.
I believe it's supposed to "just stand there". Then a cargo arrives.
If you're unhappy about the terminal, call Putin.
And some will be demolished in near future, as the already shut down
extremely energy efficient Hanasaari CHP coal plant.
Emissions & wind => another plant is unprofitable => closed down. The
logic of capitalism. Demolition time!
If you insist on keeping these plants around, you have to be prepared
to pay for that. Nobody else, including the owner, Helen, is doing that. >>>
Just get that cheapo fixed 10c/kWh deal from Helen and you can stop
the whining.
But it's coal so demolishing it is good, right?
You're funny.
Not really... I used to get heat from Hanasaari, now the heat comes
from local reserve power plant which burns oil. Typically green
transition... replacing energy source may have no backup, is more
expensive, less energy efficient and pollutes more.
https://chpalliance.org/chp-is-a-low-carbon-reliable-alternative-to-new-central-gas-plants/
Impressive. You really should be taking your advice to the boards of
Helen etc. Tell them about the birds too. I'm sure they'll listen.
Then again, maybe not.
They were closed by greens,
*Rolls eyes*
it was not about profitability but more an ideological decision.
*Rolls eyes*
Besides, greens creating carbon fees and then justifying closing
plants with them is a circular argument.
*Rolls eyes*
The above are easily debunkable howlers. Doing that takes time which is
off the things I like to spend time on. I'd rather move on.
Anyway, Poland has all-coal and cheapest energy prices in EU.
This I bothered to check. Average price during the first half of 2023 in Poland: 17.61c/kWh. Whether it's "all-coal" or not, can't say. It's
probably a lie too, but at this point is not relevant enough to be
bothered with.
Finland monthly averages, first six months(c/kWh): 9.76, 9.94, 9.2,
7.51, 3.3, 5.37.
Hard to say what "energy" you are talking about but as far as electicity
is concerned ... well, it's embarrassing. Astonishing, really.
Lie after lie after lie.
-
Helen finally got rid of old green ideologue - part-time-hobgoblin -
Osmo Soininvaara... and replaced him with a green young imbecile, Atte
Harjanne. Soinivaara wouldn't tolerate differing opinions and Harjanne
seems too dumb & politicized to discuss with.
Soininvaara is past retirement age, 72. Harjanne is an engineer by
trade. His field could be related to climate/atmosphere, don't know.
Who did you say you were, Tiny?
https://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000009547134.html
This political appointment
It's not a political appointment. The company is owned by the city of Helsinki and the board has umpteen members and, off memory, maybe 4 of
the members are nominated according to how many reps the party has in
the city council. These 4 represent the owner. The rest, the majority,
of the board are experts in various fields. Soininvaara has been the
chair for umpteen decades, and during his tenure the company has more
than doubled in size. It is not an enterprise led by political whims.
That would be illegal, for starters.
It's remarkable. You basically get 100/100 wrong. > In all of your posts since March on the topic when you started the PerSu-driven
pontificating. You write like a moniongelmainen. That I have to explain stuffs I have to explain, of which you quite obviously are ignorant,
suggests you haven't taken your nose out for a walk in a long time.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 22.03:
On 6.1.2024 19.59, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 14.57:
On 6.1.2024 2.20, TT wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 5.1.2024 klo 10.58:
Nobody is demolishing anything.
Already demolished.
You know what it means.
Like the Inkoo CHP plant now "replaced" by LNG ship
The Inkoo plant was losing money => shut down 10 years ago => razed.
The LNG terminal was built a year ago on the site where the plant
was situated. The site has shipping lanes and possibly other infra
in place.
"Replaced"? How specious can you get.
from USA which costs hundreds of millions for just standing there.
I believe it's supposed to "just stand there". Then a cargo arrives.
If you're unhappy about the terminal, call Putin.
And some will be demolished in near future, as the already shut
down extremely energy efficient Hanasaari CHP coal plant.
Emissions & wind => another plant is unprofitable => closed down.
The logic of capitalism. Demolition time!
If you insist on keeping these plants around, you have to be
prepared to pay for that. Nobody else, including the owner, Helen,
is doing that.
Just get that cheapo fixed 10c/kWh deal from Helen and you can stop
the whining.
But it's coal so demolishing it is good, right?
You're funny.
Not really... I used to get heat from Hanasaari, now the heat comes
from local reserve power plant which burns oil. Typically green
transition... replacing energy source may have no backup, is more
expensive, less energy efficient and pollutes more.
https://chpalliance.org/chp-is-a-low-carbon-reliable-alternative-to-new-central-gas-plants/
Impressive. You really should be taking your advice to the boards of
Helen etc. Tell them about the birds too. I'm sure they'll listen.
Then again, maybe not.
They were closed by greens,
*Rolls eyes*
it was not about profitability but more an ideological decision.
*Rolls eyes*
Besides, greens creating carbon fees and then justifying closing
plants with them is a circular argument.
*Rolls eyes*
The above are easily debunkable howlers. Doing that takes time which
is off the things I like to spend time on. I'd rather move on.
Anyway, Poland has all-coal and cheapest energy prices in EU.
This I bothered to check. Average price during the first half of 2023
in Poland: 17.61c/kWh. Whether it's "all-coal" or not, can't say. It's
probably a lie too, but at this point is not relevant enough to be
bothered with.
Finland monthly averages, first six months(c/kWh): 9.76, 9.94, 9.2,
7.51, 3.3, 5.37.
Hard to say what "energy" you are talking about but as far as
electicity is concerned ... well, it's embarrassing. Astonishing, really.
Lie after lie after lie.
Just because you lie and cherrypick doesn't mean everybody else does
that as well. I never lie.
It was the case that Poland was the cheapest in Europe for considerable lengths
when I last looked at the data around a year ago. However it
could be that Finland with wind power is likely cheaper in summers...
while Poland with coal in winters. In any case Poland was remarkably
cheaper back then compared to surrounding nations. Finnish "cheap" price
is not a function of our energy policy, on the contrary... it's a
function of Sweden's energy policy.
Your data is of course cherry picked
The chairman of the board nomination has been completely political.
Everyone knows this.
On 05/01/2024 22:03, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 1/5/24 12:06 PM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rI did not come down on any side of the issue, skript, so not sure how
Diverging a bit, what are the group's thoughts of the long termimpact of air traffic on the climate?On 1/4/24 4:37 AM, The Iceberg
wrote:> On 04/01/2024 10:17, Pelle Svanslös wrote:>> On 4.1.2024
0.39, TT wrote:>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.1.2024 klo 0.15:>>>> On >>>> 3.1.2024 22.54, TT wrote:>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 3.1.2024 klo
21.33:>>>>>> On 3.1.2024 19.16, TT wrote:>>>>>>> Sawfish kirjoitti
30.12.2023 klo 18.14:>>>>>>>> On 12/30/23 1:41 AM, The Iceberg
wrote:>>>>>>>>> Pelle and his anti-environment wind turbines seem
like a total >>>>>>>>> nightmare, it classic they had to use diesel
generators to >>>>>>>>> heat them up and then they totally polluted
the Scottish >>>>>>>>> countryside, this was after chopping down
millions of trees >>>>>>>>> for them. Classic leftist
disaster.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/wind-turbines-powered-diesel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A whistle blower has revealed that wind power turbines in >>>>>>>>>
Scotland have been powered by huge diesel generators in the
turbines were connected to six massive diesel >>>>>>>>> generators towinter to keep them warm.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 71 wind power
de-ice them after a cabling fault developed.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
not only that, the whistle blower also said that over 4000
turbines >>>>>>>>> and sprayed across the Scottishlitres of dirty oil were leaked from the wind power
countryside.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And recently a court in France has
ordered a windfarm to be >>>>>>>>> DISMANTLED after it was found that
over 1000 birds have been >>>>>>>>> killed by the
blades.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you know that wind turbines contain up
to 1400 litres of >>>>>>>>> oil to keep them lubricated? Weird how
the mainstream media >>>>>>>>> didn’t tell you
that…>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let’s take a look at why renewable energy
doesn’t work.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted this about a large commercial >>>> wind farm in the >>>>>>>> Columbia Gorge, in Oregon, about a year
ago. It's more of the >>>>>>>> same of what you said, but with
pictures.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://projects.oregonlive.com/wind-farms/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
There was this video hovering around twitter a while ago, >>>>>>>
featuring woman holding a dead eagle. Way 2 sad.>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. You
don't care about baldy eagles.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not?>>>>>>>>>>>
Besides, just like polar bears learned to survive by mating with >>>>>>>>>> grizzlies, very soon a little eagle is born that, apart from
only >>>>>> having the ability to point the eyes downwards to check
out for >>>>>> prey on the ground, can also take a peek forwards to
watch out >>>>>> for buildings, rotating blades, and airplane
engines. Pointing >>>>>> the boner to a new direction in case of
trouble is a powerful >>>>>> problem solver. Might not cure your
ills, but could cure them for >>>>>> the
offspring.>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a wonderful world.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Obviously you skipped the biology lessons at school.>>>>> But I guess
intersectional feminism is important too.>>>>>>>> When somebody posts
argumenst like the above, what does that tell >>>> you? It tells
you're not taken seriously as an, um, interlocutor. >>>> You're not
argued point by/against point but
mocked.>>>>>>>>>>> These things are evil. And have to be replaced
after couple >>>>>>> decades of use. The blades just cant function
much longer. That >>>>>>> makes A LOT of problematic
waste.>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. Everything breaks down after a few decades
of use.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. Power plants don't need to be demolished
after couple decades.>>>>>>>> Geez. Where do you get all this
knowledge? Twitter or a pint of beer?>>>>>>>> The MWh/lifetime costs
of different sources of electricity is a >>>> train that has left the
station long since. If a bird or two at the >>>> other end of the
scales is all you've got, you're not really taken >>>> at face
value.>>>>>>>> Cheers.>>>>>>>>>> Birds are an unfortunate side
story, and it's the smallest problem >>> when it comes to wind
energy. >>>> Other than a well known one, the problems you've so far
noticed are >> problems that everything else has as well. You just
hand-wave the >> ones away you see fit. Power plants aren't
"demolished" when they >> need repair, but they sure need maintenance
just as wind turbines do. >> When a 1.3MW NPP is off-line for
weeks/months, possibly for decades, >> THAT gets
expensive.>>>> People who actually know what they are doing, include
these stuffs in >> total lifetime costs of production. That's all I
need to know.>> it's not well publicised when it comes to wind
turbines though is it, > how are those subsidies? It's a bit like the
Chinese Hinkley Point > where the power is actually more expensive to
produce/maintain than > you can charge for it.>>>> And no, power
plants won't be disappearing anywhere for a long long >>> time. >>>>
Have I said otherwise?>>>>> You're just completely ignorant about
this topic.>>>> I mean, really.>>>>> But it's waste of time to
educate you further since you're incapable >>> of discussing anything
seriously... >>>> Try me. With something other than two dead birds,
"demolished" power >> plants, and German
coal.>>>> Not happening.>> unless your party suddenly abandons wind
power, yes?-- "It is Pointless, and endless Trouble, to cast a stone
at every dogthat barks at you."--Sawfish
Brainwashing
brainwashing fits.
I'll volunteer my thoughts, however, and we could go from there.
The perceived volume of atmosphere disrupted by any given large jet,
and the frequency and scope of commercial flights would seem to
indicate significant accumulated effect. Nor is it decreasing.
So I tentatively think that there's a lot of negative potential, and
yet few, if any greens say much about this, and I think perhaps part
of the reason is that they use commercial flights, have no way around
using them, don't want to exercise the needed self-discipline to be
consistent in their beliefs and personally boycott flying, and so
they'd prefer not to mention it.
It's a big "green issue" if you've been paying attention, and some do
boycott flights. eg. Greta Thurnberg famously sailed to the US on a
"carbon-free yacht" in 2019 for a UN summit. Just this morning I was
reading about a company trying to utilize heavily processed human waste
for jet fuel (the theory being that the carbon is already "unlocked" so
there is a net reduction of emissions as a result). But you're right,
"limo libs" and ultra-rich, "progressive" actors who jet around the
world for movie roles probably don't mention it much :)
yes it a well known "green issue" and the greeny Marxists have moaned
about it for ages, surprised Sawfish hasn't noticed this. It's quite
clear though the rich greens and elite really only want to make flights
more expensive, had one of them tell me this during the pandemic, they themselves of course could easily afford any increase in "cheap
flights", the whole idea is so only they can fly on holidays etc. Have
you seen the pics of Greta and her pals jet plane park at World Economic Forum / Davos last year? All the Hollywood stars / actors / musicians
fly constantly and usually in private jets. Bill Gates is well known to
be one of the world's most frequent flyers. They also want all us
regular folks to be forced to eat bugs and vegetables whilst only they
have access to meat and steak, whilst "owning nothing". That is
literally what they have said, reiterated this year by their head woman
rep who said people will even have to rent their mobile phones.
Besides this do you guys know how amazingly efficient fuel wise planes
really are these days? they are not just spewing out jet fuel randomly
like a Trans Am, it's why you can fly 17 hours non-stop now to Australia
from London, it amazing.
On 06/01/2024 08:49, TT wrote:
*skriptis kirjoitti 6.1.2024 klo 9.19:
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>>> Why do you like ugly
things?>> Don't you have taste?What do you mean? Belching coal
plants are pretty to you? Must be asoviet thing.
They're sure prettier than "wind turbines".
This (Hanasaari power plant) is certainly more beautiful than hundreds
of gigantic windmills replacing it:
https://wikimapia.org/1710386/Hanasaari-Power-Plant#/photo/8587764
Not to mention the insane area those windmills take and spoil.
And the fact that they don't even work when needed most. At the very
moment of writing the 1500 wind turbines in Finland produce only 213
MW. Way less than Hanasaari would.
https://www.fingrid.fi/en/electricity-market/power-system/
The electricity is quite close to running out, actually. If hydro
power runs out/water surfaces freeze, or a nuclear plant has
malfunction we're screwed. If Sweden / Estonia needs their own power,
we're screwed.
May be screwed regardless.
Green party is dangerous extremist movement. Not only on energy
matters but on pretty much everything. Former communists.
yes that's the whole idea, over here the woman who wanted a "minimum 2
year full lockdown" was a "green expert" who subsequently turned out to
be a long-time member of the communist party.
Nowadays opposition is talking with arguments "aren't we stealing from God" as like with solar power.
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