https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/
Wonderful article by Anglin.
https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/
Wonderful article by Anglin.
On 11/24/23 10:21 AM, *skriptis wrote:
https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/Actually, I just read the entire article and I agree with his
Wonderful article by Anglin.
observations of life, but not entirely with his conclusions. E.g., he's
still talking about a "purpose" for one's life, and try as I might, my progeny is the closest I can come to "purpose": I done reproduced. The biological imperative has been realized.
...and That's all, folks!
On 25/11/2023 7:05 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/24/23 10:21 AM, *skriptis wrote:
https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/Actually, I just read the entire article and I agree with his
Wonderful article by Anglin.
observations of life, but not entirely with his conclusions. E.g.,
he's still talking about a "purpose" for one's life, and try as I
might, my progeny is the closest I can come to "purpose": I done
reproduced. The biological imperative has been realized.
...and That's all, folks!
Good article in the sense it is thoughtful, but not necessarily
correct in its conclusions.
"You are never going to experience a euphoric moment where music
starts playing and you recognize some deep meaning within an instant."
I disagree. Not everyone will have this experience, but many have and
do.
"You will never “fall in love.”
Also disagree.
Happiness is the absence of misery, but as there is always some level
of misery it means happiness is not a constant state. It's like
completing a level in a computer game - you feel happy even ecstatic,
but are soon in distress again trying to survive the next level, and
so on.
To me it's clear we are hard wired to look for and solve problems in
life, which ties in with our survival instinct. We may be distressed
to eg have our new car stolen, but that becomes unimportant if your
spouse decides they want a divorce, which in turn is not that
important if you are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or a child
dies etc. Many 'distressing' situations are only so in a stand alone observation, as they can be rendered mild or meaningless if something
worse appears. It's a bit like that book 'Don't sweat the small stuff,
and it's all small stuff'.
I consider myself a happy guy as I put all the crappy stuff in
perspective. So far there has been an absence of true misery in my
life, and I'm very well aware of that - I consider that happiness.
An old relative dying is not a real tragedy in my eyes, it's sad but
it's part of life and comes to all of us, so very natural. Losing
your partner or child unexpectedly are probably the worst things that
could happen, and as you get older those things become far more likely
- unless I go 1st, which in turn would make it distressing for my family.
Good article in the sense it is thoughtful, but not necessarily correct
in its conclusions.
"You are never going to experience a euphoric moment where music starts playing and you recognize some deep meaning within an instant."
I disagree. Not everyone will have this experience, but many have and do.
"You will never “fall in love.”
Also disagree.
Happiness is the absence of misery, but as there is always some level of misery it means happiness is not a constant state. It's like completing
a level in a computer game - you feel happy even ecstatic, but are soon
in distress again trying to survive the next level, and so on.
To me it's clear we are hard wired to look for and solve problems in
life, which ties in with our survival instinct. We may be distressed to
eg have our new car stolen, but that becomes unimportant if your spouse decides they want a divorce, which in turn is not that important if you
are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or a child dies etc. Many 'distressing' situations are only so in a stand alone observation, as
they can be rendered mild or meaningless if something worse appears.
It's a bit like that book 'Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all
small stuff'.
I consider myself a happy guy as I put all the crappy stuff in
perspective. So far there has been an absence of true misery in my
life, and I'm very well aware of that - I consider that happiness. An
old relative dying is not a real tragedy in my eyes, it's sad but it's
part of life and comes to all of us, so very natural.
Losing your
partner or child unexpectedly are probably the worst things that could happen, and as you get older those things become far more likely -
unless I go 1st, which in turn would make it distressing for my family.
On 25/11/2023 7:05 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/24/23 10:21 AM, *skriptis wrote:
https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/Actually, I just read the entire article and I agree with his
Wonderful article by Anglin.
observations of life, but not entirely with his conclusions. E.g., he's still talking about a "purpose" for one's life, and try as I might, my progeny is the closest I can come to "purpose": I done reproduced. The biological imperative has been realized.
...and That's all, folks!
Good article in the sense it is thoughtful, but not necessarily correct
in its conclusions.
"You are never going to experience a euphoric moment where music starts playing and you recognize some deep meaning within an instant."
I disagree. Not everyone will have this experience, but many have and do.
"You will never “fall in love.”
Also disagree.
Happiness is the absence of misery, but as there is always some level of misery it means happiness is not a constant state. It's like completing
a level in a computer game - you feel happy even ecstatic, but are soon
in distress again trying to survive the next level, and so on.
To me it's clear we are hard wired to look for and solve problems in
life, which ties in with our survival instinct. We may be distressed to
eg have our new car stolen, but that becomes unimportant if your spouse decides they want a divorce, which in turn is not that important if you
are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or a child dies etc. Many 'distressing' situations are only so in a stand alone observation, as
they can be rendered mild or meaningless if something worse appears.
It's a bit like that book 'Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all
small stuff'.
I consider myself a happy guy as I put all the crappy stuff in
perspective. So far there has been an absence of true misery in my
life, and I'm very well aware of that - I consider that happiness. An
old relative dying is not a real tragedy in my eyes, it's sad but it's
part of life and comes to all of us, so very natural. Losing your
partner or child unexpectedly are probably the worst things that could happen, and as you get older those things become far more likely -
unless I go 1st, which in turn would make it distressing for my family.
On 11/24/23 11:45 PM, Whisper wrote:
On 25/11/2023 7:05 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/24/23 10:21 AM, *skriptis wrote:
https://dailystormer.in/yes-misery-is-the-natural-state-of-man-and-that-is-fine/Actually, I just read the entire article and I agree with his
Wonderful article by Anglin.
observations of life, but not entirely with his conclusions. E.g.,
he's still talking about a "purpose" for one's life, and try as I
might, my progeny is the closest I can come to "purpose": I done
reproduced. The biological imperative has been realized.
...and That's all, folks!
Good article in the sense it is thoughtful, but not necessarily
correct in its conclusions.
"You are never going to experience a euphoric moment where music
starts playing and you recognize some deep meaning within an instant."
I disagree. Not everyone will have this experience, but many have and
do.
"You will never “fall in love.”
Also disagree.
Happiness is the absence of misery, but as there is always some levelI agree. Anglin's biggest problem as a rhetorician is that he simplifies every issue for clarity, and in doing so loses subtlety.
of misery it means happiness is not a constant state. It's like completing a level in a computer game - you feel happy even ecstatic,
but are soon in distress again trying to survive the next level, and
so on.
He likes to say that if you get rid of all Jews everything is fine. If
that ever happened you'd see a giant shitload of other problems you've
got, and just how trivial your irritation--I call it that because that's
the most it is, really--was. He's using anti-semitism to mask every
other problem. Simple and effective if you buy it.
He's kinda doing the same thing here: making an absolute case for misery where it's really a bunch of gradations of response.
To me it's clear we are hard wired to look for and solve problems inIt's important to know when a *relative* comparison is appropriate, and
life, which ties in with our survival instinct. We may be distressed
to eg have our new car stolen, but that becomes unimportant if your
spouse decides they want a divorce, which in turn is not that
important if you are diagnosed with a terminal illness, or a child
dies etc. Many 'distressing' situations are only so in a stand alone observation, as they can be rendered mild or meaningless if something worse appears. It's a bit like that book 'Don't sweat the small stuff,
and it's all small stuff'.
when an absolute evaluation is appropriate.
E.g., your observation about one's wife leaving is less "miserable" than terminal cancer, but the actual comparison (the way I see it) is: do
either or both seem undesirable? There's a personal threshold, over
which you have some level of control, of where misery begins. Each
person can feel their own without any doubts.
I consider myself a happy guy as I put all the crappy stuff in perspective. So far there has been an absence of true misery in myOn the money there, Whisp.
life, and I'm very well aware of that - I consider that happiness.
...and I'm a happy guy too because I expect no unicorns and rainbows. I learned a long time ago, to my great surprise, that many adults in the modern western world apparently *do* expect this, and are embittered and feel cheated when they don't find them.
An old relative dying is not a real tragedy in my eyes, it's sad but it's part of life and comes to all of us, so very natural. LosingThese sorts of hypotheses are very fluid. I think that there's an
your partner or child unexpectedly are probably the worst things that could happen, and as you get older those things become far more likely
- unless I go 1st, which in turn would make it distressing for my family.
elemental truth in all you say here.
For me, I recognized that existence in a purely physical sense is
governed by shades of pleasure on one side and shades of pain on the
other, and that while absence of pleasure is dull and uninspiring, it's manageable, but absence of pain is the more desirable of the two.
I'm talking about *physical* pleasure/pain here. Mental pleasure/pain is much more under the control of the individual.
Since about 30 it has been clear to me that objectively, scopeless
reality is very likely nothing more than a yawning abyss that is
punctuated, from your perspective, by your conscious lifespan. You can
do with it what you want/are able to, but one thing that I'd strongly
advise anyone NOT to do is to think that they, or anything they know of,
has an independent purpose beyond biological propagation. And that imperative lasts as long as what we call "life" exists exists in a
linear progression from its inception.
The rest you can just construct as you see fit, and like you, I choose
to make my ride personally satisfying. It's not very hard to do, either.
It's not a long ride...
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