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  • OT: The difference between animism and monotheism

    From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 6 08:10:37 2023
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to
    its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.

    Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common
    tenets of each are these:

    Animism - places and objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation
    field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it
    by you, ostensibly.

    Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent supreme being.

    For simple animists, they cannot actually implore a huge tree in the
    mountains to render aid to them when they're far away. Animism is
    therefore local and limited. Those who can find satisfaction in this
    belief system normally seek to avoid bad influences, and much less often
    seek positive aid. They want insurance against the unknown, and might
    get if from local spiritual objects.

    For monotheists, their entity is omnipresent and inescapable. Since it
    is all powerful, it *could* generate either positive protection, or
    negative events that the individual must endure. You are always under
    the scrutiny of the supreme being. This being can offer not only
    protection, but rewards as well.

    Really, it's quite a different mind set between the two.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Nov 6 17:27:18 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common tenets of each are these:Animism - places and
    objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it by you, ostensibly.Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent
    supreme being.For simple animists, they cannot actually implore a huge tree in the mountains to render aid to them when they're far away. Animism is therefore local and limited. Those who can find satisfaction in this belief system normally seek to avoid
    bad influences, and much less often seek positive aid. They want insurance against the unknown, and might get if from local spiritual objects.For monotheists, their entity is omnipresent and inescapable. Since it is all powerful, it *could* generate
    either positive protection, or negative events that the individual must endure. You are always under the scrutiny of the supreme being. This being can offer not only protection, but rewards as well.Really, it's quite a different mind set between the two.


    Or you can do like the Jews, claim God only loves you and hates others and that it has designated a piece of land for you, allowing you to kill the natives whenever in history you desire to go there?

    That's the quintessential evil imo.



    Not even Moslems are like that. What Moslem do claim is that God is very powerful and very angry, so we better all obey him.

    Moslems (in their mind) are just trying to save us and themselves from God's wrath.



    But Jews?


    https://dailystormer.in/40-of-people-killed-by-israel-in-gaza-are-children-un-warns/


    "More than 40% of the dead in Gaza after nearly four weeks of war were children, the UN said, with 3,900 reported child victims, and another 1,250 missing and presumed buried under bombed buildings."













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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Nov 6 08:57:34 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:10:43 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to
    its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.

    Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common
    tenets of each are these:

    Animism - places and objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation
    field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it
    by you, ostensibly.

    Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent supreme being.

    But what is that Supreme Being? God may not be a being like humans. God could be found everywhere. In places, objects and animals, even.

    For simple animists, they cannot actually implore a huge tree in the mountains to render aid to them when they're far away. Animism is
    therefore local and limited. Those who can find satisfaction in this
    belief system normally seek to avoid bad influences, and much less often seek positive aid. They want insurance against the unknown, and might
    get if from local spiritual objects.

    For monotheists, their entity is omnipresent and inescapable. Since it
    is all powerful, it *could* generate either positive protection, or
    negative events that the individual must endure. You are always under
    the scrutiny of the supreme being. This being can offer not only
    protection, but rewards as well.

    Really, it's quite a different mind set between the two.

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    --Sawfish

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Nov 6 09:18:13 2023
    On 11/6/23 8:57 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:10:43 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to
    its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.

    Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common
    tenets of each are these:

    Animism - places and objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual
    "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation
    field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it
    by you, ostensibly.

    Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent supreme being.
    But what is that Supreme Being? God may not be a being like humans. God could be found everywhere. In places, objects and animals, even.

    Could one pray to a dog, e.g., in which a bit of the supreme being resides?

    Not being a smart ass, b, but you've described what I'd call pantheism,
    and it differs from  traditional monotheism.

    In fact, with pantheism, it seems similar to animism, in a way, in that
    the hypothetical dog, tree, or cloud are imbued with an immaterial
    "force". I'd suppose that in pantheism, each entity has the same
    "force", while in animism, each "force" is independent of every other
    source of "force".

    What do you think?


    For simple animists, they cannot actually implore a huge tree in the
    mountains to render aid to them when they're far away. Animism is
    therefore local and limited. Those who can find satisfaction in this
    belief system normally seek to avoid bad influences, and much less often
    seek positive aid. They want insurance against the unknown, and might
    get if from local spiritual objects.

    For monotheists, their entity is omnipresent and inescapable. Since it
    is all powerful, it *could* generate either positive protection, or
    negative events that the individual must endure. You are always under
    the scrutiny of the supreme being. This being can offer not only
    protection, but rewards as well.

    Really, it's quite a different mind set between the two.

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    --Sawfish


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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Nov 6 09:15:52 2023
    On Monday, 6 November 2023 at 16:57:37 UTC, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:10:43 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.

    Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common
    tenets of each are these:

    Animism - places and objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it by you, ostensibly.

    Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent supreme being.
    But what is that Supreme Being? God may not be a being like humans. God could be found everywhere. In places, objects and animals, even.

    don't you and your fellow Marxists say God is the opium of the people?

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Nov 6 09:50:19 2023
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:18:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
    On 11/6/23 8:57 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:10:43 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
    It's an interesting thing to consider what each belief system confers to >> its adherents and more importantly what its adherence are seeking.

    Naturally there are many, many variations of either but the common
    tenets of each are these:

    Animism - places and objects and animals each have a sort of spiritual
    "gravity" that can affect the believer's own spiritual "gravitation
    field". You are affected by the affinity of the spiritual object, and it >> by you, ostensibly.

    Monotheism - there is a single, omnipotent supreme being.
    But what is that Supreme Being? God may not be a being like humans. God could be found everywhere. In places, objects and animals, even.
    Could one pray to a dog, e.g., in which a bit of the supreme being resides?

    Not being a smart ass, b, but you've described what I'd call pantheism,
    and it differs from traditional monotheism.

    In fact, with pantheism, it seems similar to animism, in a way, in that
    the hypothetical dog, tree, or cloud are imbued with an immaterial
    "force". I'd suppose that in pantheism, each entity has the same
    "force", while in animism, each "force" is independent of every other
    source of "force".

    What do you think?

    I guess it's the difference between "God is in everything" vs. "Everything is God".

    I see what you are saying about praying to a dog, but no, I'm not a Hindu or anything like that :-)

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