This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
From
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoWould you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:57:37 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
From
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
From the subject line, I was expecting to see Gracchus, Dylan and Gibb performing together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoWould you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:57:37 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:LOL
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
From
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
From the subject line, I was expecting to see Gracchus, Dylan and Gibb performing together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoWould you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 3:37:53 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Whatchu talking... I love the Bee Gees!
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:57:37 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
From
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
Gibbs bros, from UK to Ozland just awful, miles behind Orbison, Don McleanFrom the subject line, I was expecting to see Gracchus, Dylan and Gibb performing together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoWould you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the
radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBw
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 3:16:38 PM UTC-5, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 3:37:53 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:57:37 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
From
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
Whatchu talking... I love the Bee Gees!Gibbs bros, from UK to Ozland just awful, miles behind Orbison, Don McleanFrom the subject line, I was expecting to see Gracchus, Dylan and Gibb performing together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoWould you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:16:48 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:sick of it, but similar to you, years passed and I didn't mind hearing those songs anymore.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.As a teenager, I had a couple of their mid-70s albums and discovered their stuff from the 60s later. Then came "Saturday Night Fever" and the disco explosion. All you heard on pop radio was Bee Gees and other disco from the soundtrack, etc. I got super-
On 28/10/2023 8:51 pm, Whisper wrote:
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the
radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBw
Bit gutsy to go in with Pavarotti but think they pulled it off;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbi1gxQDBK0
Whisper kirjoitti 28.10.2023 klo 13.07:
On 28/10/2023 8:51 pm, Whisper wrote:
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite >>>> voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the
radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBw
Bit gutsy to go in with Pavarotti but think they pulled it off;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbi1gxQDBK0
Do you know what's in common with you and Sting?
.
.
.
.
....Both are Geordies.
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the
radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBw
On 28/10/2023 8:51 pm, Whisper wrote:
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBw
Bit gutsy to go in with Pavarotti but think they pulled it off;Garbage! Pavarotti might have sold his soul to do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbi1gxQDBK0
On 28.10.2023 12.51, Whisper wrote:
On 28/10/2023 5:57 am, jdeluise wrote:
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> writes:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite
voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost
instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Would you consider that a song? It looked like some misguided
performance art slapped together in 5 minutes.
How about this new collaboration came out the other day, all over the radio now;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-lNO1n6tBwI made it to halfway of the first verse. Couldn't take it anymore. Do
they really play this in public?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Just Ok?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Just Ok?Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
To Love Somebody
Massachusetts
Words
I Started a Joke
Odessa
Black Diamond
Melody Fair
Lamplight
First of May
How Can You Mend a Broken Heart
Are some of the greatest songs ever made! I would put Odessa in my top 10 all time.
And not everything from their disco period is disco. And even the disco is top notch... the falsetto might a be a bit too much... but it is not present in all of their disco songs.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I am just saying there are different forms of comedy.... not everything needs to be genius. Even The Three Stooges were funny at times.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?I don't. But what makes it worth viewing otherwise?
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:57:33 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Cool. I know disco is a tainted genre. but Bee Gees were at the top of the game even while doing disco. Another great disco band was Chic. And also Giorgio Moroder. His album From Here To Eternity is one of the best albums ever. He is electro-disco
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Just Ok?Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
To Love Somebody
Massachusetts
Words
I Started a Joke
Odessa
Black Diamond
Melody Fair
Lamplight
First of May
How Can You Mend a Broken Heart
Are some of the greatest songs ever made! I would put Odessa in my top 10 all time.
And not everything from their disco period is disco. And even the disco is top notch... the falsetto might a be a bit too much... but it is not present in all of their disco songs.OK, I don't disagree. As I said, I came around to the disco stuff.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:07:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?
I don't. But what makes it worth viewing otherwise?
I am just saying there are different forms of comedy.... not everything needs to be genius. Even The Three Stooges were funny at times.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:09:54 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:07:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:Yes, the Three Stooges were slapstick and "lowbrow" while still (at their best) creative and entertaining. There is of course good humor that isn't sophisticated. Just saying that the clip IMO isn't the least bit funny.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I am just saying there are different forms of comedy.... not everything needs to be genius. Even The Three Stooges were funny at times.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:I don't. But what makes it worth viewing otherwise?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:craftsmanship, patience, and lots of effort.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Why is it interesting? They think it's trivial because they are idiots. Whether or not one likes Dylan or the Bee Gees, all those guys were/are skilled writers. It's very rare (or at least was) that someone throws a hit song together without
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:careers without ever reaching that level.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have successful
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 3:05:18 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:57:33 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Cool. I know disco is a tainted genre. but Bee Gees were at the top of the game even while doing disco. Another great disco band was Chic. And also Giorgio Moroder.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:OK, I don't disagree. As I said, I came around to the disco stuff.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:08:26 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Just Ok?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Yeah, Bee Gees pre-disco was ok. I used to hate the disco era stuff, but came to like it after many years. Of course ymmv.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
To Love Somebody
Massachusetts
Words
I Started a Joke
Odessa
Black Diamond
Melody Fair
Lamplight
First of May
How Can You Mend a Broken Heart
Are some of the greatest songs ever made! I would put Odessa in my top 10 all time.
And not everything from their disco period is disco. And even the disco is top notch... the falsetto might a be a bit too much... but it is not present in all of their disco songs.
On 10/31/23 8:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:craftsmanship, patience, and lots of effort.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Why is it interesting? They think it's trivial because they are idiots. Whether or not one likes Dylan or the Bee Gees, all those guys were/are skilled writers. It's very rare (or at least was) that someone throws a hit song together without
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
They were showing, in their simple-minded way, a collaborative noodling session. This would contrast to a process where someone would bring in lyrics, no music, and attempt to build a melody to fit, or the reverse: there is a sort of melody that someone puts words to.
Gracchus, I'm probably equally repulsed by the video--here are two guys
making a short clip that might, at best, be silly, actively repulsive.
The general impression I came away with was that here are two guys who
are still like kids who have been told that everything they do is simply "precious" by an over-indulgent roomful of female relatives.
I was embarrassed for them.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it."
--Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:craftsmanship, patience, and lots of effort.
On 10/31/23 8:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Why is it interesting? They think it's trivial because they are idiots. Whether or not one likes Dylan or the Bee Gees, all those guys were/are skilled writers. It's very rare (or at least was) that someone throws a hit song together without
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.They were showing, in their simple-minded way, a collaborative noodling
session. This would contrast to a process where someone would bring in
lyrics, no music, and attempt to build a melody to fit, or the reverse:
there is a sort of melody that someone puts words to.
Gracchus, I'm probably equally repulsed by the video--here are two guys
There are a lot funnier video of his. This one is probably the worst. And I posted it merely to see Gracchus reaction, since he loves Dylan.
Here is Elvis jamming with Lennon. Thats Stevie again. And he is not really mocking anyone here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfskjv-pOTY&t=290s
Paul McCartney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2H8ph_FnTE
Freddie Mercury jamming with Barry Gibb (this one is pretty funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4CGujId7I
making a short clip that might, at best, be silly, actively repulsive.
The general impression I came away with was that here are two guys who
are still like kids who have been told that everything they do is simply
"precious" by an over-indulgent roomful of female relatives.
I was embarrassed for them.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it." >>
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 10/31/23 11:25 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:craftsmanship, patience, and lots of effort.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 8:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Why is it interesting? They think it's trivial because they are idiots. Whether or not one likes Dylan or the Bee Gees, all those guys were/are skilled writers. It's very rare (or at least was) that someone throws a hit song together without
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.They were showing, in their simple-minded way, a collaborative noodling >> session. This would contrast to a process where someone would bring in
lyrics, no music, and attempt to build a melody to fit, or the reverse: >> there is a sort of melody that someone puts words to.
Gracchus, I'm probably equally repulsed by the video--here are two guys
One's more than enough, don't you think?
There are a lot funnier video of his. This one is probably the worst. And I posted it merely to see Gracchus reaction, since he loves Dylan.
Here is Elvis jamming with Lennon. Thats Stevie again. And he is not really mocking anyone here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfskjv-pOTY&t=290s
Paul McCartney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2H8ph_FnTE
Freddie Mercury jamming with Barry Gibb (this one is pretty funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4CGujId7I
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."making a short clip that might, at best, be silly, actively repulsive.
The general impression I came away with was that here are two guys who
are still like kids who have been told that everything they do is simply >> "precious" by an over-indulgent roomful of female relatives.
I was embarrassed for them.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it."
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Charles Bukowski ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:31:26 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:craftsmanship, patience, and lots of effort.
On 10/31/23 11:25 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 8:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Why is it interesting? They think it's trivial because they are idiots. Whether or not one likes Dylan or the Bee Gees, all those guys were/are skilled writers. It's very rare (or at least was) that someone throws a hit song together without
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?Who the hell would want to watch more than one?They were showing, in their simple-minded way, a collaborative noodling >>>> session. This would contrast to a process where someone would bring in >>>> lyrics, no music, and attempt to build a melody to fit, or the reverse: >>>> there is a sort of melody that someone puts words to.
Gracchus, I'm probably equally repulsed by the video--here are two guys >>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
One's more than enough, don't you think?
There are a lot funnier video of his. This one is probably the worst. And I posted it merely to see Gracchus reaction, since he loves Dylan.--
Here is Elvis jamming with Lennon. Thats Stevie again. And he is not really mocking anyone here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfskjv-pOTY&t=290s
Paul McCartney
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2H8ph_FnTE
Freddie Mercury jamming with Barry Gibb (this one is pretty funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq4CGujId7I
making a short clip that might, at best, be silly, actively repulsive. >>>> The general impression I came away with was that here are two guys who >>>> are still like kids who have been told that everything they do is simply >>>> "precious" by an over-indulgent roomful of female relatives.
I was embarrassed for them.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it."
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."
--Charles Bukowski
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. There are a lot funnier videoof his. This one is probably the worst. And I posted it merely to see Gracchus reaction, since he loves Dylan.
On 10/31/23 11:25 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 8:43 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:22:26 AM UTC-7, sawfish wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
They were showing, in their simple-minded way, a collaborative noodling >> session. This would contrast to a process where someone would bring in
lyrics, no music, and attempt to build a melody to fit, or the reverse: >> there is a sort of melody that someone puts words to.
Gracchus, I'm probably equally repulsed by the video--here are two guys
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry, Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
One's more than enough, don't you think?
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the
songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's
still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far
as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written
plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I
can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is
still genius. Many songwriters/artists have successful careers without
ever reaching that level.
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
On 1/11/2023 4:08 pm, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the
songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's
still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far >>>> as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written
plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I
can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is
still genius. Many songwriters/artists have successful careers without
ever reaching that level.
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
No idea, he certainly can't sing for shit. I think it helps to be
stoned when listening to him?
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
What is so genius about Dylan?You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:moronic bit we looked at.
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after doing the
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:the moronic bit we looked at.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties. I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after doing
Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lolNo, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Page was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?
But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.
Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
quite the album.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
Page was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements? But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy wasYou are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lolNo, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.
Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:the moronic bit we looked at.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after doing
Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
Nice try. This angle has been tried ad hominem against Zeppelin fans. It makes no freaking difference.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lolNo, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:the moronic bit we looked at.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties. >>>>> I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different. >>>>> At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run. >>>>> Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed >>>>> it down.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the >>>>> Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good. >>>> Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after doing
Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different. >>>>> At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run. >>>>> Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good. >>>> Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after
I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties. >>>>>>> I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different. >>>>>>> At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run. >>>>>>> Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed >>>>>>> it down.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the >>>>>>> Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good. >>>>>> Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after
Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:>>>> OnWednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:>>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM,
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Page was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?Quite right. And then Page most infamously plagiarized from Bert Jansch, a contemporary and superior acoustic guitarist.
https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/just-how-much-of-led-zeppelins-music-was-stolen/64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/guitarist-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-ripped-off/ >But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.Dylan directly lifted melodies from traditional folk songs early in his career. He never tried to conceal it. These songs of course weren't subject to copyright.
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in 1961-
Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist afterIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding >> in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me; >> at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the
table, no pants, and dancing.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Barbecue grills on fire behind the condominiums that line the 9th fairway.
I watched casual strollers slip on dog excrement on the boardwalk near the amusement pier.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time for lunch.
--Sawfish
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:have successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists
etc but he put his own unique style to it.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Superior? lol... on what basis... Bert Jansch was good but pretty one-dimensional. Page was a lot more diverse and could do a variety of styles. His duos with John Paul Jones were excellent to say the least. Yeah he got his ideas from Jansch, GrahamPage was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?Quite right. And then Page most infamously plagiarized from Bert Jansch, a contemporary and superior acoustic guitarist.
64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/just-how-much-of-led-zeppelins-music-was-stolen/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/guitarist-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-ripped-off/ >But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.Dylan directly lifted melodies from traditional folk songs early in his career. He never tried to conceal it. These songs of course weren't subject to copyright.
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in 1961-
Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:have successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists
etc but he put his own unique style to it.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Superior? lol... on what basis... Bert Jansch was good but pretty one-dimensional. Page was a lot more diverse and could do a variety of styles. His duos with John Paul Jones were excellent to say the least. Yeah he got his ideas from Jansch, GrahamPage was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?Quite right. And then Page most infamously plagiarized from Bert Jansch, a contemporary and superior acoustic guitarist.
1961-64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/just-how-much-of-led-zeppelins-music-was-stolen/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/guitarist-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-ripped-off/
But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.Dylan directly lifted melodies from traditional folk songs early in his career. He never tried to conceal it. These songs of course weren't subject to copyright.
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in
Look at the poll... Brian didn't vote 50 times. https://dailydrinkingthread.com/community/threads/battle-pet-sounds-vs-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band.1045/Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.You might find two people on the planet who agree with you. One is the dunce who made that video. The other is Brian Wilson. :)
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:have successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists
etc but he put his own unique style to it.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Superior? lol... on what basis... Bert Jansch was good but pretty one-dimensional. Page was a lot more diverse and could do a variety of styles. His duos with John Paul Jones were excellent to say the least. Yeah he got his ideas from Jansch, GrahamPage was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?Quite right. And then Page most infamously plagiarized from Bert Jansch, a contemporary and superior acoustic guitarist.
1961-64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/just-how-much-of-led-zeppelins-music-was-stolen/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/guitarist-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-ripped-off/
But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.Dylan directly lifted melodies from traditional folk songs early in his career. He never tried to conceal it. These songs of course weren't subject to copyright.
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in
Come Pet Sounds is hailed as the essential album of the 60s. And a lot of people consider it superior to Sgt Pepper. And Sgt Pepper is the most consistenytly good Beatles album. Dylan... I don't know, not a great fan.Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.You might find two people on the planet who agree with you. One is the dunce who made that video. The other is Brian Wilson. :)
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:1961-64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in
Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.
You might find two people on the planet who agree with you. One is the dunce who made that video. The other is Brian Wilson. :)
Look at the poll... Brian didn't vote 50 times.
https://dailydrinkingthread.com/community/threads/battle-pet-sounds-vs-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band.1045/
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.
You might find two people on the planet who agree with you. One is the dunce who made that video. The other is Brian Wilson. :)
Come Pet Sounds is hailed as the essential album of the 60s. And a lot of people consider it superior to Sgt Pepper. And Sgt Pepper is the most consistenytly good Beatles album. Dylan... I don't know, not a great fan.
On 10/31/23 8:35 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:09:54 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:07:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:Yes, the Three Stooges were slapstick and "lowbrow" while still (at their best) creative and entertaining. There is of course good humor that isn't sophisticated. Just saying that the clip IMO isn't the least bit funny.
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I am just saying there are different forms of comedy.... not everything needs to be genius. Even The Three Stooges were funny at times.
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I don't. But what makes it worth viewing otherwise?
Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.It's stupid.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2Io
The thing I liked best about the Stooges is how they'd sorta
short-circuit when they saw an attractive woman. They were overtly
showing pretty much how every man felt during his sexual prime. So you'd kinda keep a straight face and inside it'd be "Nrrr-rrr-rrr!".
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:09:54 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:07:17 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:17:03 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
This is incredible - who would have thought! Two extremely opposite voices of rock n' roll recording a song together.
Gracchus, have you heard this?
Wish they had released this back in the 70s! An incredic lost instant-classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MltoVhTH2IoIt's stupid.
Sorry to offend you. I know you are a big fan of Barry ;-)
I like him fine, early Bee Gees especially. I like clever parody too. The thing you showed isn't that.
Why do you expect every kind of mockery to be clever parody?
I don't. But what makes it worth viewing otherwise?
I am just saying there are different forms of comedy.... not everything needs to be genius. Even The Three Stooges were funny at times.Yes, the Three Stooges were slapstick and "lowbrow" while still (at their best) creative and entertaining. There is of course good humor that isn't sophisticated. Just saying that the clip IMO isn't the least bit funny.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:moronic bit we looked at.
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Who the hell would want to watch more than one?
Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
It was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist after doing the
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:have successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:28:50 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists
etc but he put his own unique style to it.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
You are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lol
No, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
Superior? lol... on what basis... Bert Jansch was good but pretty one-dimensional. Page was a lot more diverse and could do a variety of styles. His duos with John Paul Jones were excellent to say the least. Yeah he got his ideas from Jansch, GrahamPage was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements?Quite right. And then Page most infamously plagiarized from Bert Jansch, a contemporary and superior acoustic guitarist.
64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/just-how-much-of-led-zeppelins-music-was-stolen/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/guitarist-led-zeppelin-jimmy-page-ripped-off/ >But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the Holy was quite the album.
Dylan may have plagiarised somewhat, but as I recall he gave songwriting credit for the most part. And he sure wrote some great songs by himself.Dylan directly lifted melodies from traditional folk songs early in his career. He never tried to conceal it. These songs of course weren't subject to copyright.
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least in 1961-
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist afterIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to >> be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on theIt is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
table, no pants, and dancing.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists have
was quite the album.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
Page was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements? But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the HolyYou are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lolNo, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
I think Peter Green was better blues guitarist than Jimmy Page. But Jimmy went into a variety of styles - psychedelic, folk, heavy, progressive, Indian classical etc.
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist afterIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to >> be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on theIt is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
table, no pants, and dancing.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Barbecue grills on fire behind the condominiums that line the 9th fairway.
I watched casual strollers slip on dog excrement on the boardwalk near the amusement pier.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time for lunch.
--Sawfish
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:have successful careers without ever reaching that level.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:05:08 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:48:12 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 12:08:15 AM UTC-5, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 31.10.2023 klo 17.48:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
Stylistically it's just awful, but it's actually showing the songwriting process, as they see it.
Really do not like the Bee Gees or anything like them. But it's still interesting to see how trivial the writing process is, so far as they're concerned.
Well it is more of a Dylan song ;-)
If you think that, then you know nothing about Dylan. He's written plenty of junk in his career as album filler and even some hits I can't stand ("Knockin' on Heaven's Door"?) But his best stuff is still genius. Many songwriters/artists
was quite the album.What is so genius about Dylan?
Isn't he basically just a plagiarist...
Page was for sure a plagiarist of the old bluesmen on the first two albums. I think were even some settlements? But he also interpreted the old blues well on his electric guitar, And he wrote some good licks all by himself, too. Houses of the HolyYou are basically trying to get on Gracchus' nerves at this point...lolNo, I think he just got Dylan confused with Jimmy Page.
I think Peter Green was better blues guitarist than Jimmy Page. But Jimmy went into a variety of styles - psychedelic, folk, heavy, progressive, Indian classical etc.Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 12:23:06 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:in 1961-64. Most of his later melodies--both good and bad--sound original.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 1:31:02 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
Many songwriters start out with an existing melody and rework it until unrecognizable--and thus a new melody. For instance, Brian Wilson said "Surfer Girl" started out as "When You Wish Upon a Star." Dylan did this kind of thing too, at least
to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.Dylan > Page but they both are awesome.
Brian Wilson was a lot more interesting than Dylan for sure. Pet Sounds trumps anything Dylan or The Beatles did.
You might find two people on the planet who agree with you. One is the dunce who made that video. The other is Brian Wilson. :)
Look at the poll... Brian didn't vote 50 times.
https://dailydrinkingthread.com/community/threads/battle-pet-sounds-vs-sgt-peppers-lonely-hearts-club-band.1045/It's always easy to cherry-pick. Here's a poll where Sergeant Pepper leads 70-30%
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/poll-pet-sounds-or-sgt-pepper.174299/
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like listening
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems. >> I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
All of this just goes to show:Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satirist afterIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems. >>>>>> I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to >>>>>> be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special art."
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding >>>>>> in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me; >>>>>> at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on theIt is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
table, no pants, and dancing.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
Racist mofo.
Go and join bob and his proud boys.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that...People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-findingWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems. >>>>>>>> I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to >>>>>>>> be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>>>
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types.
And it's not like we
haven't talked about this before.
Go and join bob and his proud boys.Bob's alive and well, and living in Paris...
:^)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "Doncha know,
That it's a shame and a pity
You were raised
Up in the city
And you never learned nothin'
'bout country ways."
--Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine
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On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems. >>>>>> I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.
Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
haven't talked about this before.
Go and join bob and his proud boys.Bob's alive and well, and living in Paris...
:^)
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Doncha know,
That it's a shame and a pity
You were raised
Up in the city
And you never learned nothin'
'bout country ways."
--Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
All of this just goes to show:Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.And what is wrong with India? Racist mofo. Go and join bob and his proud boys.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>
Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one?Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying toLighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
distance yourself from it.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.
Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that... Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like
Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 and beyond!You said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys recorded Pet
"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."I've always liked some Beach Boys songs. I'd be surprised if I said something as extreme as hating them.
But yeah, Brian Wilson has a way of saying--or at least strongly implying--the Beach Boys were equal to the Beatles. That's ego talking. His memoir was very interesting anyway.
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like
You said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 and beyond!
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys recorded Pet
"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."
On Friday, 3 November 2023 at 16:46:42 UTC, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one? >>>>>>>>>>>> Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
special art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "
People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to >>>> distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.
Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
what do you mean by that, you mean us white "types", you sicko racist?It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that... Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types.
On 11/3/23 9:46 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
Life's tough, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that...People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to >>>>>> distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>>>
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
Why, I've heard that some "men" can't even find any woman to take them voluntarily, and have to rely on matchmaking. And of course, any woman
that works with a matchmaker may also have some...ahem!...issues.
Hard to believe, I know, but that's what I've heard...
Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types....and bob.
Let's not forget bob.
And it's not like we-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sawfish: A totally unreconstructed elasmobranch. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
haven't talked about this before.
Go and join bob and his proud boys.Bob's alive and well, and living in Paris...
:^)
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Doncha know,
That it's a shame and a pity
You were raised
Up in the city
And you never learned nothin'
'bout country ways."
--Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like
Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 and beyond!You said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys recorded
"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."
I've always liked some Beach Boys songs. I'd be surprised if I said something as extreme as hating them.
Well you have Alzheimer's then.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.tennis/c/3eHbXcyk38Y/m/bCZNDd1aBwAJ
Boys". Give Pet Sounds a proper listen from beginning to end and you will hear what I am talking about. Most of it is not rock... and not even pop... He did something with pop/rock what what Charles Mingus and Moondog were doing with jazz.But yeah, Brian Wilson has a way of saying--or at least strongly implying--the Beach Boys were equal to the Beatles. That's ego talking. His memoir was very interesting anyway.
I am sure Lew Hoad in his mind thinks he was better than Rod Laver in his prime. What Brian Wilson did with Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations was completely innovative and phenomenal. Even Paul McCartney thinks the same. Too be you hate the "fucking Beach
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like
Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 and beyond!You said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys recorded
"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."
I've always liked some Beach Boys songs. I'd be surprised if I said something as extreme as hating them.
Well you have Alzheimer's then.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.tennis/c/3eHbXcyk38Y/m/bCZNDd1aBwAJI think that post was doctored. :) It doesn't even look like my writing style.
Beach Boys". Give Pet Sounds a proper listen from beginning to end and you will hear what I am talking about. Most of it is not rock... and not even pop... He did something with pop/rock what what Charles Mingus and Moondog were doing with jazz.But yeah, Brian Wilson has a way of saying--or at least strongly implying--the Beach Boys were equal to the Beatles. That's ego talking. His memoir was very interesting anyway.
I am sure Lew Hoad in his mind thinks he was better than Rod Laver in his prime. What Brian Wilson did with Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations was completely innovative and phenomenal. Even Paul McCartney thinks the same. Too be you hate the "fucking
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/3/23 9:46 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "special
Russia under Vladimir Putin whom you love?Didn't he die of syphilis contracted from a cheap Russian hooker? Speaking of which why are you still in Biden's America. Aren't you tired of getting reamed by transgenders on a daily basis? Why don't you move to the utopian homogenous paradise inLife's tough, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that...People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to >>>>>>>> distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>>>>>Why not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems. >>>>>>>>>> I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have to
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>>>>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
Why, I've heard that some "men" can't even find any woman to take them
voluntarily, and have to rely on matchmaking. And of course, any woman
that works with a matchmaker may also have some...ahem!...issues.
Hard to believe, I know, but that's what I've heard...
Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types....and bob.
Let's not forget bob.
And it's not like we--
haven't talked about this before.
Go and join bob and his proud boys.Bob's alive and well, and living in Paris...
:^)
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On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I like
recorded Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 andYou said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys
nothing wrong with being a fanboy ;-)"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."
I've always liked some Beach Boys songs. I'd be surprised if I said something as extreme as hating them.
Well you have Alzheimer's then.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.tennis/c/3eHbXcyk38Y/m/bCZNDd1aBwAJ
I think that post was doctored. :) It doesn't even look like my writing style.
Nice try... there is also a response from you in the same thread, when I accused you of knee-jerk reacting. Let's face it... you have a big soft corner for the Beatles and (may be Dylan) as well... and you go nuts if anyone criticizes them in any way...
I have a British friend who loves everything about the Beatles... and likes Electric Light Orchestra (who were lame in my opinion) because they sounded exactlyyou don't like Sting and The Police. That speaks volumes for your taste ;-)
like the Beatles in the 70s. He likes Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd (though he has the gall to say "prog rock is for losers")... so I forgive him... you have good taste > in music too... just biased like everyone else... nothing wrong with that. At least
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:54:45 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:like listening to a lot. Consensus is the Beatles are considered the greater band.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:47:08 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:40:15 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 12:25:29 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:13:36 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
I've nothing against Brian Wilson. I even read his memoir a couple of months ago. The Beatles were influenced by the Beach Boys' harmonies and McCartney by Brian Wilson's bass playing. But there aren't a huge number of Beach Boys songs I
recorded Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations single in 1966 before Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road etc. As of 1966 Beach Boys (and in fact only in 1966, they were better). I don't rate 1963-1965 Beach Boys that high. And they were of course shit 1967 andYou said you hate the freaking Beach Boys or something like that just a while ago... didn't you ;-).
I never said Beach Boys were the greater band... that would be ridiculous... They were like the Lew Hoad of tennis and Beatles the Rod Laver... it is just that Lew Hoad whooped Rod Laver's ass in 1963 when he just turned pro. Beach Boys
.. nothing wrong with being a fanboy ;-)"In January 1963, Hoad and Rosewall guaranteed the contract of new pro Rod Laver. Hoad defeated Laver 8–0 in an Australian tour, some of their matches played to best-of-five and televised from sold-out stadiums."
I've always liked some Beach Boys songs. I'd be surprised if I said something as extreme as hating them.
Well you have Alzheimer's then.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.tennis/c/3eHbXcyk38Y/m/bCZNDd1aBwAJ
I think that post was doctored. :) It doesn't even look like my writing style.
Nice try... there is also a response from you in the same thread, when I accused you of knee-jerk reacting. Let's face it... you have a big soft corner for the Beatles and (may be Dylan) as well... and you go nuts if anyone criticizes them in any way.
Well you have your own well-known fanboy tendencies. I'm guessing I must have gotten tired of you rhapsodizing over the Beach Boys to say that. The fact is, there are a handful of Beach Boys songs I enjoy and many others just don't compel me to listen.If I literally hated them, I wouldn't have read Brian's book.
What you're saying about me with the Beatles isn't true, because I criticize them plenty myself.
That's on-record here. Even more so with Dylan.least you don't like Sting and The Police. That speaks volumes for your taste ;-)
I have a British friend who loves everything about the Beatles... and likes Electric Light Orchestra (who were lame in my opinion) because they sounded exactly
like the Beatles in the 70s. He likes Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd (though he has the gall to say "prog rock is for losers")... so I forgive him... you have good taste > in music too... just biased like everyone else... nothing wrong with that. At
LOL. Yes, loving Sting is a cardinal sin.
On 11/3/23 10:45 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:46 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a master satiristIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
special art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "
Russia under Vladimir Putin whom you love?Didn't he die of syphilis contracted from a cheap Russian hooker? Speaking of which why are you still in Biden's America. Aren't you tired of getting reamed by transgenders on a daily basis? Why don't you move to the utopian homogenous paradise inLife's tough, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that...People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to >>>>>>>> distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it. >>>>>>>>>>
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on the >>>>>>>> table, no pants, and dancing.It is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
Why, I've heard that some "men" can't even find any woman to take them
voluntarily, and have to rely on matchmaking. And of course, any woman
that works with a matchmaker may also have some...ahem!...issues.
Hard to believe, I know, but that's what I've heard...
Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types....and bob.
Let's not forget bob.
I don't like anyone, raja.
You should know that at least.
Least of all a sub-continental mama's boy.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 1:12:51 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
What you're saying about me with the Beatles isn't true, because I criticize them plenty myself.
Okay then, lets do an experiment... how many of my Beatles criticisms do you agree? You can do a Led Zeppelin list in retaliation and I bet I would agree on most ;-) I still love them.
* George Harrison was a competent guitarist.... nothing more. He could hardly solo and even his riffs are not very memorable.
* Lennon was probably the more interesting guitarist. But still no where close to even being Keith Richards level (who himself is no virtuoso)
* Ringo was a decent drummer. overrated these days
* McCartney was the most skilled in his instrument (bass). Still not a virtuoso.
* Their voices were pretty ordinary. Harrison had a dull voice. Starr's deadpan vocals were strange and not very good
* Lennon had a decent voice but had a strange and annoying accent. None of the other Beatles had that (surprising they are all from Liverpool!)
* McCartney was the best singer but struggled to sing high... his singing on Helter Skelter is atrocious when he tries to sing high (I can't stand that song anyway)
* Pete Best was the best looking Beatle.. McCartney had a decent baby face. And Lennon was average.
* But Harrison and Starr were ugly as hell. Even Stu Sutcliffe was far better looking than any of the real Fab Four.
* Their arrangements were very ordinary in terms of technically and even density... even lousier and less technical bands had dense sounding songs
* Their orchestration is also pretty ordinary... several other pop bands of that era had chamber music and symphonic music but they were a lot more sophisticated
* Their earlier-era until 1962-64 was boy-band-ish garbage for the most part
* Their mop-tops were ridiculous and honestly embarrassing
Now the positive points
* They were excellent songwriters and some of their simplest folksy songs are their best
* They were highly prolific... about 200 recorded songs in 8 years of recording is INSANE
* They were the best singles band of all time... only Rolling Stone come a distant second (may be Bee Gees/ABBA etc... but they never got the same respect)
* They were cultural icons.... no one comes close... may be Dylan
* They were kinda underrated as a live band
* They broke up as they were getting better with their instruments (Paul admittedly really started playing great bass only around 1967, Harrison started improving his guitar skills around 1968-69)
* They broke up during their peak
* They wrote a lot of songs which are highly memorable... amateur instrumentation or not.
* They could pull a tune out of their farts and it would work!
* Even Paul's granny music is actually good.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 1:10:42 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:satirist after doing the moronic bit we looked at.
On 11/3/23 10:45 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:53:37 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/3/23 9:46 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:39:01 AM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/3/23 9:19 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:16:07 AM UTC-5, sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:46:28 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:38:40 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 5:49 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-5, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/1/23 2:07 PM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:38:21 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 6:47:44 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/31/23 11:44 AM, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope... completely wrong. It is just one guy - Stevie Riks. He does a lot of musicians. He has done Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley, John Lennon, Bryan Ferry,Freddie Mercury etc. You guys should stop judging on one video.
Raja already knows that. He was attempting to make a point using a painfully bad analogy. You see, just as the Beatles transformed themselves into pop immortals after 1962, apparently this video twat metamorphosed into a masterIt was indeed unpromising at that phase. Just Buddy Holly type ditties.Who the hell would want to watch more than one? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would want to listen to the Beatles after watching more than one (Love Me Do)?
I can recall seeing them on Ed Sullivan. It was just plain different.
At that period, that was why the Dave Clark Five gave them a good run.
Rubber Soul changed all that, so far as I remember, and Revolver nailed
it down.
They are essentially an extension of the kinds of tunes that are in the
Great American Song Book. It is truly pop music. Some of it very good.
special art."Yep... and you are too prejudiced to see that... for you guys "First impression is the best and last impression!"It would only be prejudice if we made a judgement without ever looking in the first place. We did look at the one you chose to post, and you wouldn't have done so unless you thought it was a funny representation of the video dude's "
Russia under Vladimir Putin whom you love?Didn't he die of syphilis contracted from a cheap Russian hooker? Speaking of which why are you still in Biden's America. Aren't you tired of getting reamed by transgenders on a daily basis? Why don't you move to the utopian homogenous paradise inLife's tough, raja.Yes, you are one ugly SOB.... we know that...People like you.And what is wrong with India?All of this just goes to show:As someone with no morals whatsoever and who frequently shoots from someone else's shoulder, you should be the last person talking all this.Basically you brought this on yourself, and now you're trying to >>>>>>>> distance yourself from it.Lighten up... fool!I think what he's saying is that for many people, you'd really have toWhy not? Even mostly shit artists sometimes come up with true gems.
Unless given a good reason, most people will do the same. Why keep digging deeper into something that either (1) appears to be shit (2) is something that doesn't resonate with you?
be desperate for some kind of "gem" to wade they shit to get it.
For me, the problem is that there exists near zero chance of gem-finding
in the genre that this guy does. Silly parody is not a gem field for me;
at best I might find a lump of anthracite.
Why do you do this, raja? It's like you insist on jumping up on theIt is sort of social experiment on the rst tight asses... just stretching them a bit wide... you are too dumb to realize what is happening... so better keep your mouth shut.
table, no pants, and dancing.
You can take the man out of India, but try as you might, you can't take India out of the man.
It's why no one but Indians wants to live there.
Racist mofo.Same as you, raja. But at least I'm honest about it.
It's gonna get *real* ugly, real soon, raja.
Why, I've heard that some "men" can't even find any woman to take them >> voluntarily, and have to rely on matchmaking. And of course, any woman >> that works with a matchmaker may also have some...ahem!...issues.
Hard to believe, I know, but that's what I've heard...
Glad you are showing your true colors, finally. No wonder you love *shitpiss and Iceberg types....and bob.
Let's not forget bob.
I don't like anyone, raja.
You should know that at least.
Least of all a sub-continental mama's boy.
You remind me of Billy Bob Thornton's dad in Monster's Ball.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 1:57:18 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:Beatles.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 1:12:51 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
What you're saying about me with the Beatles isn't true, because I criticize them plenty myself.
Okay then, lets do an experiment... how many of my Beatles criticisms do you agree? You can do a Led Zeppelin list in retaliation and I bet I would agree on most ;-) I still love them.
* George Harrison was a competent guitarist.... nothing more. He could hardly solo and even his riffs are not very memorable.Mostly true. His early Beatles guitar style was a mishmash of Chuck Berry and Carl Perkins. A lot of his solos were very simplistic. He was somewhat better after "Rubber Soul." George had no illusions about it. He rated his playing as "just OK."
* Lennon was probably the more interesting guitarist. But still no where close to even being Keith Richards level (who himself is no virtuoso)When asked in a 1970s interview how he rated George Harrison's guitar playing, Lennon said, "I prefer mine." :) I don't think Lennon's rhythm playing was even meant to play as important a role as Keith's did with the Stones. It worked fine for the
and play nearly anything on demand. IMO that's kind of a stupid bar to set for the bassist of a pop group, even if it was a huge one.* Ringo was a decent drummer. overrated these daysWe had a past discussion about that with Court 1, if you recall. I was never wowed by Ringo's drumming, but he wasn't an embarrassment either.
* McCartney was the most skilled in his instrument (bass). Still not a virtuoso.No virtuoso, but stylistically he was a pop music innovator on bass. There was some controversy some years ago when Quincy Jones implied McCartney wasn't that good a bassist, but he was comparing him to studio sidemen (especially jazz) who can show up
Ringo's singing was notoriously bad.* Their voices were pretty ordinary. Harrison had a dull voice. Starr's deadpan vocals were strange and not very goodThere were no knockout voices in the group, yet they blended together well and they varied their harmonies more than most groups, which always kept things interesting. Harrison's voice was limited, but I liked his idiosyncratic vocals on some songs.
annoying in his accent/singing.* Lennon had a decent voice but had a strange and annoying accent. None of the other Beatles had that (surprising they are all from Liverpool!)I'm not sure what you mean about the accent. Lennon's family apparently took him to Scotland periodically when he was growing up. Some people have observed traces of a Scottish burr in certain interviews. I personally don't find anything strange or
* McCartney was the best singer but struggled to sing high... his singing on Helter Skelter is atrocious when he tries to sing high (I can't stand that song anyway)McCartney deliberately overpushed his voice sometimes. "Helter Skelter" was supposed to have a "dirty" sound.
The vocals are part of it. He overextends himself in "Oh Darling" too. I've heard he did a bunch of takes so his voice would sound raw. Other times, not so sure. I thought he sounded fine singing high on songs like "Long Tall Sally." But like most popsingers, he didn't have a "trained" voice. Some of the songs might have benefited from being a key or half-key lower.
still call it whiny. ;)* Pete Best was the best looking Beatle.. McCartney had a decent baby face. And Lennon was average.
* But Harrison and Starr were ugly as hell. Even Stu Sutcliffe was far better looking than any of the real Fab Four.I never paid special attention to their looks. I don't see Harrison as ugly, but ordinary. Ringo was a sawed-off guy with a large nose. Big deal. Certainly there were better looking pop singers in the sixties--most of them less talented.
* Their arrangements were very ordinary in terms of technically and even density... even lousier and less technical bands had dense sounding songsI don't know what you were expecting of them as far as this goes. Their arrangements suited their songs.
* Their orchestration is also pretty ordinary... several other pop bands of that era had chamber music and symphonic music but they were a lot more sophisticatedMy reaction is similar to the last answer. When they decided orchestration would help, they brought in classical musicians for a specific function via George Martin. What would it add if they brought in a full orchestra for "Eleanor Rigby"? JD would
trying so hard to sound like old black bluesmen.* Their earlier-era until 1962-64 was boy-band-ish garbage for the most partThey hardly had done any recordings up until then or any original songs, which is why they were playing bars in Hamburg and the Cavern. Mick Jagger was right that the Beatles and Stones were both cover bands early on. But at least the Beatles weren't
* Their mop-tops were ridiculous and honestly embarrassingWell it didn't hurt their careers, did it? :) Millions of kids were copying those embarrassing haircuts.
Now the positive points
* They were excellent songwriters and some of their simplest folksy songs are their bestNaturally I don't disagree with the positive points.
* They were highly prolific... about 200 recorded songs in 8 years of recording is INSANE
* They were the best singles band of all time... only Rolling Stone come a distant second (may be Bee Gees/ABBA etc... but they never got the same respect)
* They were cultural icons.... no one comes close... may be Dylan
* They were kinda underrated as a live band
* They broke up as they were getting better with their instruments (Paul admittedly really started playing great bass only around 1967, Harrison started improving his guitar skills around 1968-69)
* They broke up during their peak
* They wrote a lot of songs which are highly memorable... amateur instrumentation or not.
* They could pull a tune out of their farts and it would work!
* Even Paul's granny music is actually good.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songs with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing Peter
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songs with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songs with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
Good post. You have proven you are not a fanboy. You win. I was honestly surprised you agreed with most of the negative and positive points.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
She always sounded like a goat... not The GOAT... but a real goat. Yeah she was kinda cute... but not my type... I am more into Deborah Harry types.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
I listened to him and thought he was surprisingly good.
He's finger style, which was why I brought up the question of finger
style vs flat pick a awhile back, which of course generated a rousing response.
They play somewhat differently--different stuff--to my ear.
For examples, finger style = Mark Knofler; flat pick = Jimi Hendrix.
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--Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The Ayatolla of Rock and Rolla!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
I listened to him and thought he was surprisingly good.
He's finger style, which was why I brought up the question of finger
style vs flat pick a awhile back, which of course generated a rousing
response.
They play somewhat differently--different stuff--to my ear.
For examples, finger style = Mark Knofler; flat pick = Jimi Hendrix.
--
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "The Ayatolla of Rock and Rolla!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar?OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard how >> it might affect actual performance.Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist, specifically, and not the bands he played with.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "replacing
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own....and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar?OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard how >>>> it might affect actual performance.Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own....and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over
whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn
a lot from possible exchanges.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Listen to Manson, you mean?Have you? :-)Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own.You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues... >>>> ...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>>>I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard how >>>>>> it might affect actual performance.Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over
whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic
performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that
would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited
knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn
a lot from possible exchanges.
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard how it might affect actual performance.What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?
OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Listen to Manson, you mean?Have you? :-)Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own.You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues... >>>> ...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>>>I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over
whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic
performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that >> would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited >> knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn >> a lot from possible exchanges.
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but
independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:42:11 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:unless they agreed to take Stevie Nicks too.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard how it might affect actual performance.What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Pretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?
OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues..."Personality issues" meaning in this case that he pissed off his ex-lover and she was deemed more valuable to the band. It's worth noting that in 1974-75 when Fleetwood Mac offered Buckingham a place in the band in the first place, he wouldn't accept
No doubt Buckingham does have a big ego and fueling it with fame and cocaine didn't help in the 70s and 80s. That seems to have leveled out by the time the band reunited in 1997. IMO it was bad form kicking him out the way they did.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Some, but I can tell that there's a whole lot more.No, learned a lot :-)Listen to Manson, you mean?Have you? :-)Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own.You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues... >>>>>> ...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>>>>>I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over
whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic
performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that >>>> would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited >>>> knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn >>>> a lot from possible exchanges.
Maybe ethical, more just a preference.To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but
independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.Sure.
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.
Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:"artist's temperament."
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.
Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.If we limited ourselves to art made only by nice people, it would be a short list and we'd be deprived of much great art. Society lauds successful artists and gives them tacit permission to act badly because (right or wrong) it's said to be part of the
I'm pleased when I hear stories of a musician I like behaving decently towards "ordinary people" as well as fellow artists. When it's the opposite, I feel some disappointment, but I won't avoid the person's creative output on that basis.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:the "artist's temperament."
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:If we limited ourselves to art made only by nice people, it would be a short list and we'd be deprived of much great art. Society lauds successful artists and gives them tacit permission to act badly because (right or wrong) it's said to be part of
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but
independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.
I'm pleased when I hear stories of a musician I like behaving decently towards "ordinary people" as well as fellow artists. When it's the opposite, I feel some disappointment, but I won't avoid the person's creative output on that basis.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. IfI agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own....and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over
whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn
a lot from possible exchanges.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own.You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist,OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues... >> ...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar? >>I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any
sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learnHave you? :-)
a lot from possible exchanges.
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was "
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
...and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar?OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist, specifically, and not the bands he played with.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:the "artist's temperament."
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:
To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.
Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but independent from the person's accomplishments, as best I can.If we limited ourselves to art made only by nice people, it would be a short list and we'd be deprived of much great art. Society lauds successful artists and gives them tacit permission to act badly because (right or wrong) it's said to be part of
I'm pleased when I hear stories of a musician I like behaving decently towards "ordinary people" as well as fellow artists. When it's the opposite, I feel some disappointment, but I won't avoid the person's creative output on that basis.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso_(song)
On 11/6/23 9:36 AM, bmoore wrote:"replacing Peter Green." They did songs from all eras of Mac.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 9:11 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/6/23 8:51 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/6/23 8:41 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:31:00 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:56:56 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/23 7:53 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 7:40:36 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 11:04:38 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:57:03 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
Peter Green was incredible.Wasn't Mike Campbell the guy they had on lead guitar during that tour? He and Finn were only there because they fired Lindsey Buckingham. And since there were about five versions of Fleetwood Mac, it's hardly accurate to say either was
I saw Mick Fleetwood and John McVie recreate the old Fleetwood Mac with Neil Finn replacing Peter Green on guitar a few years back. Wow.
Some, but I can tell that there's a whole lot more.No, learned a lot :-)Listen to Manson, you mean?Have you? :-)Yes, I would.Yes, I get where you're coming from, of course. Would you listen to a Manson-led band if they were really good? I would have trouble but each to his own....and a part of the agreement was that he could no longer play guitar?OK, but if he was kicked out of the band due to personality issues...I don't have an evaluation category for personality except as regard howPretty good, but probably a jerk. What do you think?What did you think of Buckingham as a guitarist?Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Found this.For the trio, it was definitely replacing Peter Green. For the later songs, with Stevie, no..You know, Gracchus, you might be right. It might have been Mike Campbell, not Neil Finn, who formed the trio along with McVie and Fleetwood who rocked so hard.
In any case, Neil Finn is mainly a singer-songwriter, and had many good songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10s with Crowded House IMO. Lead guitar isn't really his thing.I used to think that too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7HwGxpvy10
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
it might affect actual performance.
You can see where I'm going, b. I'm talking about the guitarist, >>>>>> specifically, and not the bands he played with.
I've listened to Manson, hisownself, because there was a debate over >>>> whether or not he had any talent at all. He did, but was not in any >>>> sense a stand out; he possibly could have opened for marquee acoustic >>>> performers at places like the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach, but that >>>> would be tops.
My own opinion, though.
I was following this thread and while I do have some narrow and limited >>>> knowledge, others here know a whole lot more, and I was hoping to learn >>>> a lot from possible exchanges.
You prefer decent people, then, even if you have little to no contactMaybe ethical, more just a preference.To be fair, I listen to plenty of music created by jerks. But I like it more when they seem to be decent people.Yes. It's a level of ethical satisfaction. I recognize that, too, but
with them, and can rely only on reports of their decency (or degeneracy) from sources whom you also do not know, personally?
I realize this sounds critical. I don't mean it that way, it's more like
I am completely and totally incredulous. I could never live a moment in contentment in a situation like that.
I guess it comes down to belief. Mine is EXTREMELY limited, I realize.
This is very odd, I've found/am finding.
Sliding a bit off-topic, what I'm finding is that very many people who
have had a public presence often have either written--or better, recorded--interviews. You can therefore hear them explain their views, themselves, directly. This is a lot better than less direct sources.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.Let's break this down:
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinary
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. IfI agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Let's break this down:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>> On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found >>>>> a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that >>>>> Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked >>>>> that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first >>>>> player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If >>>>> you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:Not really.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:You like Robert Johnson?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me. >>>> Let's break this down:On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found >>>>>>> a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that >>>>>>> Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked >>>>>>> that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first >>>>>>> player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If >>>>>>> you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me. >> Let's break this down:
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that >>>>> Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first >>>>> player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If >>>>> you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no namesHey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Next test question, kids:
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:Not really.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:You like Robert Johnson?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Let's break this down:
Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that >>>>>>> Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first >>>>>>> player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment >>> Geez. I don't know where you get that.Campbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.
I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking thatNext test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music to
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:Not really.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:You like Robert Johnson?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me. >>>>>> Let's break this down:On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that >>>>>>>>> Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first >>>>>>>>> player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone.
These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If >>>>>>>>> you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment >>>>> Geez. I don't know where you get that.Campbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds. >>
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to
appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:Not really.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:You like Robert Johnson?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be >>>> excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I >>>> see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment >>>>> Geez. I don't know where you get that.Campbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension >> better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually >> out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have >> no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to >> appreciate their "product".
If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on myOf course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music to >> be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.And then you quit 'em?
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did
it, it was a generational shibboleth.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind. >>>>
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>>>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be >>>>>>> excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I >>>>>>> see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>>>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>>>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment >>>>>>>> Geez. I don't know where you get that.Campbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension >>>>> better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually >>>>> out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more >>>>> memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very >>>>> recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >>>>> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >>>>> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have >>>>> no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to >>>>> appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music to >>>>> be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.And then you quit 'em?
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did >>> it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
Let's break this down:On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable >> "brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to
appreciate their "product".
If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my present company, this went away in my early thirties.Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs. Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did it, it was a generational shibboleth.What a great word, "shibboleth".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be >>>> excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I >>>> see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more >> memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very >> recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to >> appreciate their "product".
If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on myOf course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs. Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did it, it was a generational shibboleth.What a great word, "shibboleth".
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind. >>>>
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>>>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be >>>>>>> excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I >>>>>>> see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>>>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second. >>>>>>>>>>> I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment >>>>>>>> Geez. I don't know where you get that.Campbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legend
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater
artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension >>>>> better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually >>>>> out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more >>>>> memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very >>>>> recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice
especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >>>>> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >>>>> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have >>>>> no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to >>>>> appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music to >>>>> be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.And then you quit 'em?
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did >>> it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
On 07/11/2023 21:29, gap wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no >>>>>>>> names
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in >>>>>>>>> trio was impressed.Let's break this down:On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle >>>>>>>>>>>> Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He >>>>>>>>>>>> plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional >>>>>>>>>>>> content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up >>>>>>>>>>>>> on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was >>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still >>>>>>>>>>>>> mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined >>>>>>>>>>>>> song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when >>>>>>>>>>>>> to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a >>>>>>>>>>>>> second.
reputation for me.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't >>>>>>>>>> tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional >>>>>>>>>> investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never >>>>>>>>>> heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for
decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about >>>>>>>>> "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not beI haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some
douchebags, how about that John Mayer?
politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed >>>>>>>> to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate
attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one
reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done
worse.
tension
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn
actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far
more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that
Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very,
very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable >>>>>> "brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10
seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any
band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both,
can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they
really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to
begin to
appreciate their "product".
to mind.
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even considerAnd then you quit 'em?
music to
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just
beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all
that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college
folk) did
it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the
Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army,
tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that
was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy, asked
every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the
soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means
"stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth,"
but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't pronounce the
initial sh was killed on the spot. When English speakers first
borrowed shibboleth, they used it to mean "test phrase," but it has
acquired additional meanings since that time.
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Lol. But I think it's from Lovecraft.
On 11/7/23 1:56 PM, grif wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On 07/11/2023 21:29, gap wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>>>>>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be >>>>>>>>> excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I >>>>>>>>> see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>>>>>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more >>>>>>> memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that >>>>>>> Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very >>>>>>> recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the >>>>>>> popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable >>>>>>> "brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >>>>>>> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >>>>>>> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to >>>>>>> appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just >>>>>>> beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that >>>>> much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a >>>>> silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did >>>>> it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
Fishmen of Innsmouth?
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Lol. But I think it's from Lovecraft.
On 11/7/23 1:29 PM, gap wrote:asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names >>>>>>> come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.Let's break this down:On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinaryAnd I disagreed, so?
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investmentGeez. I don't know where you get that.
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or >>>>>>> another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more >>>>> memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that >>>>> Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very >>>>> recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the
popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable >>>>> "brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band >>>>> without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very
different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be >>>>> very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to
appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just >>>>> beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from
college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs.
Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that >>> much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a >>> silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did >>> it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Is he Ephraimite?
What sort of a neighborhood do you live in, anyway?
On 07/11/2023 22:43, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 1:56 PM, grif wrote:
On 07/11/2023 21:29, gap wrote:Fishmen of Innsmouth?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:
What a great word, "shibboleth".On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes >>>>>>> to mind.On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys >>>>>>>>>> (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell >>>>>>>>>>> in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Let's break this down:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his >>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He plays long solos and sustained notes without much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sounding or looking too good these days. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talented guy in his own right.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing with trio, not Finn.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a
disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't >>>>>>>>>>>> tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinary >>>>>>>>>>> And I disagreed, so?Geez. I don't know where you get that.
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional >>>>>>>>>>>> investment
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've >>>>>>>>>>>> never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for
decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about >>>>>>>>>>> "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not beI haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some >>>>>>>>>>>> politically incorrect things. *shudders*
douchebags, how about that John Mayer?
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who
seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate
attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one >>>>>>>>>> reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could
have done worse.
build tension
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn >>>>>>>> actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is
far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that >>>>>>>> Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is
very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the >>>>>>>> popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a
recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first >>>>>>>> 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So
any band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very >>>>>>>> different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, >>>>>>>> can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they
really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to >>>>>>>> begin to
appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider >>>>>>>> music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just >>>>>>>> beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from >>>>>> college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs. >>>>>> Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them
all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie
with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college
folk) did
it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the
Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army,
tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River
that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the ploy,
asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite.
When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which
means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word
"shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who didn't
pronounce the initial sh was killed on the spot. When English
speakers first borrowed shibboleth, they used it to mean "test
phrase," but it has acquired additional meanings since that time.
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Lol. But I think it's from Lovecraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzdIaBnckg&list=PLEC69sXRa-Uw90Cdltm2JSuuH0NgcpCuG&index=5
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 2:42:15 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:ploy, asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who
On 11/7/23 1:29 PM, gap wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:What a great word, "shibboleth".
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my
Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:Not really.
You like Robert Johnson?On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Let's break this down:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinary >>>>>>>> And I disagreed, so?Geez. I don't know where you get that.
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that >>>>> Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the >>>>> popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable >>>>> "brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very >>>>> different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to
appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just >>>>> beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from >>> college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs. >>> Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a >>> silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did
it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Is he Ephraimite?
What sort of a neighborhood do you live in, anyway?Be careful. If you'd spelled it "neighbour" we'd be suspicious :-)
Like when the Germans asking for petrol were busted by the Americans.
On Wednesday, 8 November 2023 at 01:55:07 UTC, bmoore wrote:ploy, asked every soldier who tried to cross if he was an Ephraimite. When the soldier said "no," he was asked to say shibbōleth (which means "stream" in Hebrew). Gileadites pronounced the word "shibboleth," but Ephramites said "sibboleth." Anyone who
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 2:42:15 PM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:
On 11/7/23 1:29 PM, gap wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 11:36:10 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>> On 11/7/23 11:14 AM, bmoore wrote:
What a great word, "shibboleth".On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 11/7/23 9:42 AM, bmoore wrote:If by this you mean did I used them occasionally, depending on my >>> present company, this went away in my early thirties.
Yes, for sure, but digging in can be rewarding. Pink Floyd comes to mind.On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 8:55:42 AM UTC-8, Sawfish wrote:Not really.
On 11/7/23 6:47 AM, bmoore wrote:You like Robert Johnson?
On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 6:18:09 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Diverting a bit, over the years I've blundered across guys (no names
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:Always liked him with Petty. When found out it was Campbell in trio was impressed.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8, Gracchus wrote:Let's break this down:
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM UTC-8, Pelle Svanslös wrote:Campbell playing with Petty and the trio cements his reputation for me.
On 6.11.2023 18.04, Gracchus wrote:I agree. From what I've seen, Campbell is a placeholder. He plays long solos and sustained notes without much emotional content.
On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:53:48 AM UTC-8, bmoore wrote:I didn't know who Mike Campbell was, so had to look him up on YT. Found
On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:There's no detective work necessary on this one. The clips clearly show both on stage and Campbell doing the long solos.
Yes, I've looked at some of those clips from the 2019 show. Campbell is the guy. McVie and Fleetwood still play with passion after all these years. Stevie Nicks not sounding or looking too good these days.Both Finn and Campbell played with Fleetwood Mac live (on the same stage) on the tour just after Buckingham was sacked. But now I believe that it was Campbell playing with trio, not Finn.
Neil Finn I saw with Crowded House in 1991. A very talented guy in his own right.
a couple of these Fleetwood Mac live thingies and was surprised that
Campbell used to work for Petty, whom I liked when I still mildly liked
that kind of stuff. Campbell was on records a disciplined song-first
player. Live, he's a dime-a-dozen minor pentatonic drone. >>>>>>>>>>>> These guys should realise their limitations and know when to STFU. If
you have something to say that takes one verse, don't do a second.
1. You praised Campbell's playing even though you couldn't tell him from Neil Finn
2. Two us us watched clips of him and rated him ordinary >>>>>>>> And I disagreed, so?Geez. I don't know where you get that.
3. You needed to justify your earlier praise and emotional investment
4. You cite Campbell's work with Petty (material you've never heard) to crown him a guitar legendCampbell was Petty's lead guitarist. Best listening for decades. Always thought he was very good. I don't know about "legend".
This kind of thing is just sad.Geez. So critical.
Hey, speaking of great guitarists who may or not be douchebags, how about that John Mayer?I haven't listened to much of him. I heard he said some politically incorrect things. *shudders*
come to mind right now--maybe some black blues guys) who seemed to be
excellent technicians and artists (these are separate attributes as I
see it) but who play in a genre I never listen to, for one reason or
another. I suspect that Lonnie Mack was like that.
I once met him at the crossroads.I've tried listening to both, closely and a lot. I'm thinking that >>>>> Vaughn was the better technician, but that Hendrix was the greater >>>>> artist. In particular, Hendrix kinda uses silent spaces to build tension
Next test question, kids:Thanks, Saw. Hendrix was an original, a true guitar god. Stevie was a guitar god too, and copying the king, he could have done worse.
Compare/contrast Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
better than Vaughn does. In the sense of pure technique, Vaughn actually
out-Hendrixes Hendrix.
Maybe he even rubs it in a bit. But still, Hendrix's stuff is far more
memorable than Vaughn's.
There's also another angle that relates, and that's the fact that >>>>> Hendrix's performances also had singing, and his singing is very, very
recognizable. In truth, so are his guitar licks.
This then edges over to how a recognizable "product" affects the >>>>> popularity of a rock band. E.g., the Stones, due to Jagger's voice >>>>> especially, are instantly recognizable. This creates a recognizable
"brand". You'll know for sure it's the Stones within the first 10 seconds.
But with Pink Floyd, .e.g., it might take a while longer. So any band
without either a) an easily recognizable vocalist, or b) a very >>>>> different set of instrumentation; or c) a combination of both, can be
very artistically great in every sense of the word, but they really have
no "hook" to get the average listener to listen long enough to begin to
appreciate their "product".
Of course, all this is purely my opinion. I don't even consider music toAnd then you quit 'em?
be a major influence on my life...sorta take it or leave it.
Hah. I laugh this instant as I recognize that in college and just >>>>> beyond, I had the same attitude toward recreational drugs.
Now that I think about it, it was that most of my social group from >>> college and beyond just sorta drifted away from recreational drugs. >>> Possibly the demands of career plus no one *really* liked them all that
much to start with, in my circle.
But it was sort like the 60s/70s equivalent of taking a selfie with a
silly expression plastered on our faces: everyone (esp college folk) did
it, it was a generational shibboleth.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
The Bible's Book of Judges (12:4-6) tells the story of the Ephraimites, who, after they were routed by the Gileadite army, tried to retreat by sneaking across a ford of the Jordan River that was held by their enemy. The Gileadites, wary of the
I use it everyday, on the hour when I am interlocuting my neighbor!
Is he Ephraimite?
What sort of a neighborhood do you live in, anyway?Be careful. If you'd spelled it "neighbour" we'd be suspicious :-)
Like when the Germans asking for petrol were busted by the Americans.was going to ask grif if this is his hot neighboUr?
(you colonial lot need to learn to spell properly)
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