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  • Re: Boris Becker barred from Wimbledon return despite being named Holge

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Fri Oct 20 11:06:44 2023
    MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or
    Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko


    Apples and oranges.

    Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on?


    You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither does the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases.

    So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't.


    Isn't that French championships pre 1925?
    "Only French club members".


    Is that a considered slam nowadays.

    No.

    Why not?



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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Oct 20 01:23:30 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/
    --


    While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.

    If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions....

    .mikko

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 02:19:35 2023
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:
    MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or
    Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko


    Apples and oranges.

    Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on?


    You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither does the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases.

    So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't.


    Isn't that French championships pre 1925?
    "Only French club members".


    Is that a considered slam nowadays.

    No.

    Why not?

    exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their way to deport him.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Fri Oct 20 12:02:38 2023
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-becker-
    wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko > > >
    Apples and oranges. > > Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on? > > > You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither does
    the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases. > > So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't. > > > Isn't that French championships pre 1925? > "Only French club members". > > > Is
    that a considered slam nowadays. > > No. > > Why not?exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their
    way to deport him.



    That too.


    So to sum it up.


    Every rule has an exception, and Djokovic, due to his stature, and specific circumstances of AO being an international sporting event, Australia having an honour to even organize it, etc the government should have done everything in their power to make
    sure Djokovic is there. Exception is for people like him, in situations when he's visiting Australia to compete in ITF official championships. It's not like he was visiting his aunt.

    But as you say, not only Djokovic wasn't treated as a star, he received no positive discrimination, he wasn't even treated as a normal citizen which is twice as horrible.

    He had all the necessary paperwork, he was simply deported because the politicians were assholes. He was negatively discriminated.


    Imagine if Michael Phelps was banned from entering China prior Beijing 2008 Olympics because China politburo party members didn't like him and said he promoted "bad values"?


    It's a scandal.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 22:03:29 2023
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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 03:22:05 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:02:38 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-becker-
    wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko > > >
    Apples and oranges. > > Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on? > > > You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither does
    the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases. > > So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't. > > > Isn't that French championships pre 1925? > "Only French club members". > > > Is
    that a considered slam nowadays. > > No. > > Why not?exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their
    way to deport him.



    That too.


    So to sum it up.


    Every rule has an exception, and Djokovic, due to his stature, and specific circumstances of AO being an international sporting event, Australia having an honour to even organize it, etc the government should have done everything in their power to make
    sure Djokovic is there. Exception is for people like him, in situations when he's visiting Australia to compete in ITF official championships. It's not like he was visiting his aunt.

    But as you say, not only Djokovic wasn't treated as a star, he received no positive discrimination, he wasn't even treated as a normal citizen which is twice as horrible.

    He had all the necessary paperwork, he was simply deported because the politicians were assholes. He was negatively discriminated.


    Imagine if Michael Phelps was banned from entering China prior Beijing 2008 Olympics because China politburo party members didn't like him and said he promoted "bad values"?

    Well, USA only did hid Carl Lewis positive doping for Soul 1988 and allowed him to race.

    This example was already talked 1988 but confirmed as late as 2000:s

    2013: "Ten years ago, Lewis confirmed reports he tested positive three times at the 1988 U.S. Olympic Trials for small amounts of banned stimulants. Lewis said he accidentally consumed the banned substances via cold medication. The U.S. Olympic Committee
    at first disqualified him, then accepted his appeal based on inadvertent use, according to The Associated Press.

    Johnson then asked for Lewis to be stripped of his 1988 Olympic medals.

    "(He) tested positive several times but he’s been protected,” Johnson told Fox Sports. “Because he’s American."

    Rules are different for superstars.

    .mikko

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Fri Oct 20 05:30:48 2023
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 11:22:08 UTC+1, MBDunc wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:02:38 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-
    becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko > > >
    Apples and oranges. > > Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on? > > > You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither
    does the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases. > > So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't. > > > Isn't that French championships pre 1925? > "Only French club members". > > >
    Is that a considered slam nowadays. > > No. > > Why not?exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their
    way to deport him.



    That too.


    So to sum it up.


    Every rule has an exception, and Djokovic, due to his stature, and specific circumstances of AO being an international sporting event, Australia having an honour to even organize it, etc the government should have done everything in their power to
    make sure Djokovic is there. Exception is for people like him, in situations when he's visiting Australia to compete in ITF official championships. It's not like he was visiting his aunt.

    But as you say, not only Djokovic wasn't treated as a star, he received no positive discrimination, he wasn't even treated as a normal citizen which is twice as horrible.

    He had all the necessary paperwork, he was simply deported because the politicians were assholes. He was negatively discriminated.


    Imagine if Michael Phelps was banned from entering China prior Beijing 2008 Olympics because China politburo party members didn't like him and said he promoted "bad values"?
    Well, USA only did hid Carl Lewis positive doping for Soul 1988 and allowed him to race.

    This example was already talked 1988 but confirmed as late as 2000:s

    2013: "Ten years ago, Lewis confirmed reports he tested positive three times at the 1988 U.S. Olympic Trials for small amounts of banned stimulants. Lewis said he accidentally consumed the banned substances via cold medication. The U.S. Olympic
    Committee at first disqualified him, then accepted his appeal based on inadvertent use, according to The Associated Press.

    Johnson then asked for Lewis to be stripped of his 1988 Olympic medals.

    "(He) tested positive several times but he’s been protected,” Johnson told Fox Sports. “Because he’s American."

    Rules are different for superstars.

    yes and they should be, likewise Becker is being targetted because he's a superstar which is disgusting from the UK government. They have purposely allowed in hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants on inflatable boats by crossing the channel yet
    they won't allow a superstar like him in, same with Biden opening the border floodgates in Texas yet keeping the flight ban on anyone unvaxed like Djoker.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Oct 20 06:48:06 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 7:16:45 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 20/10/2023 9:02 pm, *skriptis wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-
    becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko > > >
    Apples and oranges. > > Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on? > > > You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither
    does the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases. > > So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't. > > > Isn't that French championships pre 1925? > "Only French club members". > > >
    Is that a considered slam nowadays. > > No. > > Why not?exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their
    way to deport him.



    That too.


    So to sum it up.


    Every rule has an exception, and Djokovic, due to his stature, and specific circumstances of AO being an international sporting event, Australia having an honour to even organize it, etc the government should have done everything in their power to
    make sure Djokovic is there. Exception is for people like him, in situations when he's visiting Australia to compete in ITF official championships. It's not like he was visiting his aunt.

    But as you say, not only Djokovic wasn't treated as a star, he received no positive discrimination, he wasn't even treated as a normal citizen which is twice as horrible.

    He had all the necessary paperwork, he was simply deported because the politicians were assholes. He was negatively discriminated.


    Imagine if Michael Phelps was banned from entering China prior Beijing 2008 Olympics because China politburo party members didn't like him and said he promoted "bad values"?


    It's a scandal.

    I think it was a very strange time in the world, so no real precedent on what action to take, and also govt saw a political advantage in going
    hard against anti vaxers when everyone else was forced to suffer so much with long lockdowns etc. In the end I think it may have been a great
    thing for Novak too as he was forced to take long breaks from the game
    at a time when it made perfect sense to do so. Somehow I doubt he'd be
    quite as strong and motivated today if he kept grinding away as normal,
    so a blessing in disguise? Unless Nadal does something very unexpected
    it's a moot point as Novak has the slam record. If he fell short by 1
    to Rafa then we could say it was all very costly to him.

    It's still weird time that you can get punished if you don't know the pronouns :)

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Fri Oct 20 06:59:07 2023
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 5:30:50 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 11:22:08 UTC+1, MBDunc wrote:
    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 1:02:38 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, 20 October 2023 at 10:06:44 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 8:24:48 AM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2023/10/19/boris-
    becker-wimbledon-holger-rune-coach-tax-evasion-prison/ > -- While it seems odd, I love that Djoker with vaccination issues or Becker with law issues are like any normal citizens.If only someone dare to do similar with diplomatic exemptions.....mikko > > >
    Apples and oranges. > > Becker perhaps yes, but what's normal in Australian (or any government) interfering in international sports, violating Olympic charter and so on? > > > You do realize that tournament can't force people to get vax, and neither
    does the goverment, at least not for this kind of diseases. > > So in theory, non vaxxed Australian player could have competed at AO, and a non vaxxed Djokovic couldn't. > > > Isn't that French championships pre 1925? > "Only French club members". > > >
    Is that a considered slam nowadays. > > No. > > Why not?exactly! was going to say Djoker specifically was not treated like an ordinary citizen. He even won his case in court, yet the corrupt $$$-Pfizer vote-desperate government minister went out of their
    way to deport him.



    That too.


    So to sum it up.


    Every rule has an exception, and Djokovic, due to his stature, and specific circumstances of AO being an international sporting event, Australia having an honour to even organize it, etc the government should have done everything in their power to
    make sure Djokovic is there. Exception is for people like him, in situations when he's visiting Australia to compete in ITF official championships. It's not like he was visiting his aunt.

    But as you say, not only Djokovic wasn't treated as a star, he received no positive discrimination, he wasn't even treated as a normal citizen which is twice as horrible.

    He had all the necessary paperwork, he was simply deported because the politicians were assholes. He was negatively discriminated.


    Imagine if Michael Phelps was banned from entering China prior Beijing 2008 Olympics because China politburo party members didn't like him and said he promoted "bad values"?
    Well, USA only did hid Carl Lewis positive doping for Soul 1988 and allowed him to race.

    This example was already talked 1988 but confirmed as late as 2000:s

    2013: "Ten years ago, Lewis confirmed reports he tested positive three times at the 1988 U.S. Olympic Trials for small amounts of banned stimulants. Lewis said he accidentally consumed the banned substances via cold medication. The U.S. Olympic
    Committee at first disqualified him, then accepted his appeal based on inadvertent use, according to The Associated Press.

    Johnson then asked for Lewis to be stripped of his 1988 Olympic medals.

    "(He) tested positive several times but he’s been protected,” Johnson told Fox Sports. “Because he’s American."

    Rules are different for superstars.
    yes and they should be, likewise Becker is being targetted because he's a superstar which is disgusting from the UK government. They have purposely allowed in hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants on inflatable boats by crossing the channel yet
    they won't allow a superstar like him in, same with Biden opening the border floodgates in Texas yet keeping the flight ban on anyone unvaxed like Djoker.

    Right, because superstars pay more in taxes than we do.

    Oh, wait :-)

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    Wow...

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