• (OT) Donald Trump Is Partly to Blame for the Situation in Israel

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 16:12:28 2023
    Saturday's terrorist attacks in Israel by Hamas militants represent the
    worst crisis between Israelis and Palestinians in more than two decades.
    But rather than offering constructive policy alternatives, Republican presidential candidates have settled on an intellectually bankrupt
    strategy of blaming the Biden administration for everything.

    The finger-pointing is particularly rich given the way that the Trump administration obliterated longstanding American policy in the region,
    handed a series of pinless policy grenades to President Biden and then
    took cover.

    The inability to broker a final settlement between Israel and Palestine
    is an American foreign policy failure that spans at least six
    administrations stretching back to the 1980s. But it was the last two Republican presidents who departed dramatically from the international
    "land for peace" consensus that was supposed to result in a Palestinian
    state. Former President George W. Bush, despite occasional rhetoric
    supporting Palestinian statehood, walked back America's commitment to
    widely shared interpretations of UN Security Council Resolution 242 by
    signing off on Israel retaining large settlement blocs in the West Bank, demanding that Palestinians usher in a functioning democracy before
    peace was possible and then washing his hands of the matter when he
    didn't like the election results. His world-historically disastrous war
    of choice in Iraq did more to bolster Iranian authoritarians than any
    other single event since the country's revolution in 1979.

    But it was former President Donald Trump who did far more catastrophic
    damage. Trump greenlit the needlessly provocative move of the U.S.
    embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, part of which is located in
    territory the United Nations considered unlawfully occupied by Israel
    since the 1967 war. The move abandoned another longstanding American negotiating position—that Jerusalem would ultimately be a shared capital between two national people.

    Warned that moving the embassy would result in blowback down the line,
    the Trump administration and its allies mostly gloated about how clever
    they were. When Palestine did not immediately erupt into chaos, they
    concluded that the maneuver would have no repercussions. Not only that,
    but Trump then recognized the permanent Israeli annexation of the
    occupied Golan Heights and invalidated a 1978 State Department ruling
    that Israeli settlements in the West Bank were unlawful.

    Instead, the Trump administration gave the Israeli government carte
    blanche not only to expand existing settlements but to grant even
    isolated encampments anywhere in the West Bank legitimacy and
    sovereignty. The Trump administration's subservience to Israeli Prime
    Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his maximalist government was so
    complete that polling suggested Israel would have given the former
    president his largest margin over Biden if it were a U.S. state.

    To make matters worse, the Trump team followed through on its promise to
    torch the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, better known as the Iran
    Deal. Not even the Trump officials responsible for this gratuitous act
    of diplomatic sabotage could identify any reason for it, other than that
    they wanted to. The move not only led predictably to the resumption of
    Iranian nuclear activities but also to the election of an ultra-hardline government in Tehran that redoubled its destructive meddling in regional affairs, including providing cash, training and weapons to Hamas militants.

    The Biden administration did little to reverse any of these Trump
    disasters, even picking up the baton of helping Israel conclude separate
    peace agreements with Arab states rather than encouraging a resumption
    of talks with Palestinians. Biden has refused to follow through on
    reopening the consulate in Jerusalem for Palestinians. And ultimately,
    the administration's severe political risk aversion has insulated it
    neither from disingenuous Republican attacks nor Palestinian frustration
    with the status quo.

    Nevertheless, claiming that the president is responsible for the
    horrific Hamas attacks inside of Israel is preposterous, like poking a
    hornet's nest, running away and then blaming the sucker who comes along
    next and gets stung.

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-partly-blame-situation-israel-opinion-1833933

    Yep. Twump dun that too.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 16:22:45 2023
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Fri Oct 13 15:19:33 2023
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    Saturday's terrorist attacks in Israel by Hamas militants represent the worst crisis between Israelis and Palestinians in more than two decades. But rather than offering constructive policy alternatives, Republican presidential candidates have settled
    on an intellectually bankrupt strategy of blaming the Biden administration for everything.The finger-pointing is particularly rich given the way that the Trump administration obliterated longstanding American policy in the region, handed a series of
    pinless policy grenades to President Biden and then took cover.The inability to broker a final settlement between Israel and Palestine is an American foreign policy failure that spans at least six administrations stretching back to the 1980s. But it was
    the last two Republican presidents who departed dramatically from the international "land for peace" consensus that was supposed to result in a Palestinian state. Former President George W. Bush, despite occasional rhetoric supporting Palestinian
    statehood, walked back America's commitment to widely shared interpretations of UN Security Council Resolution 242 by signing off on Israel retaining large settlement blocs in the West Bank, demanding that Palestinians usher in a functioning democracy
    before peace was possible and then washing his hands of the matter when he didn't like the election results. His world-historically disastrous war of choice in Iraq did more to bolster Iranian authoritarians than any other single event since the country'
    s revolution in 1979.But it was former President Donald Trump who did far more catastrophic damage. Trump greenlit the needlessly provocative move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, part of which is located in territory the United Nations
    considered unlawfully occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. The move abandoned another longstanding American negotiating position—that Jerusalem would ultimately be a shared capital between two national people.Warned that moving the embassy would
    result in blowback down the line, the Trump administration and its allies mostly gloated about how clever they were. When Palestine did not immediately erupt into chaos, they concluded that the maneuver would have no repercussions. Not only that, but
    Trump then recognized the permanent Israeli annexation of the occupied Golan Heights and invalidated a 1978 State Department ruling that Israeli settlements in the West Bank were unlawful.Instead, the Trump administration gave the Israeli government
    carte blanche not only to expand existing settlements but to grant even isolated encampments anywhere in the West Bank legitimacy and sovereignty. The Trump administration's subservience to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his maximalist
    government was so complete that polling suggested Israel would have given the former president his largest margin over Biden if it were a U.S. state.To make matters worse, the Trump team followed through on its promise to torch the Joint Comprehensive
    Plan of Action, better known as the Iran Deal. Not even the Trump officials responsible for this gratuitous act of diplomatic sabotage could identify any reason for it, other than that they wanted to. The move not only led predictably to the resumption
    of Iranian nuclear activities but also to the election of an ultra-hardline government in Tehran that redoubled its destructive meddling in regional affairs, including providing cash, training and weapons to Hamas militants.The Biden administration did
    little to reverse any of these Trump disasters, even picking up the baton of helping Israel conclude separate peace agreements with Arab states rather than encouraging a resumption of talks with Palestinians. Biden has refused to follow through on
    reopening the consulate in Jerusalem for Palestinians. And ultimately, the administration's severe political risk aversion has insulated it neither from disingenuous Republican attacks nor Palestinian frustration with the status quo.Nevertheless,
    claiming that the president is responsible for the horrific Hamas attacks inside of Israel is preposterous, like poking a hornet's nest, running away and then blaming the sucker who comes along next and gets stung.https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-
    partly-blame-situation-israel-opinion-1833933Yep. Twump dun that too.-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional





    Has Donald Trump occupied Palestine?




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

    Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين, romanized: Filasṭīn, pronounced [fɪ.las.tˤiːn]), officially the State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين, romanized: Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a state located in West Asia. The state claims the West Bank (
    including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip as its territory, though the entirety of that territory has been under Israeli occupation since the 1967.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

    The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland. British control under the League of Nations after World War I, known as the British Mandate, heightened tensions between Jewish and Arab
    communities. The UN-approved 1947 partition plan subsequently triggered a civil war between these two communities. The British terminated the Mandate on 14 May 1948, and Israel declared independence that day.

    Upon its independence, Israel became almost immediately embroiled in conflict with its five neighboring Arab states, whose armies began entering the area of the former Mandatory Palestine on 15 May, starting the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Early the next
    year, the 1949 Armistice Agreements left Israel in control of over one-third more territory than the partition plan had called for, with no independent Arab state created.

    ...

    The 1967 Six-Day War resulted in the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, along with the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula and the Syrian Golan Heights. Israel has since effectively annexed both East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, and has
    established settlements across the Israeli-occupied territories, actions the international community has rejected as illegal under international law.

    ...

    Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories, the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of the Palestinians.





    Trump is to be blamed, hahahahahaha.



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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 07:31:01 2023
    On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:22:50 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 13.10.2023 16.19, *skriptis wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pe...@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    Saturday's terrorist attacks in Israel by Hamas militants represent the worst crisis between Israelis and Palestinians in more than two decades. But rather than offering constructive policy alternatives, Republican presidential candidates have
    settled on an intellectually bankrupt strategy of blaming the Biden administration for everything.The finger-pointing is particularly rich given the way that the Trump administration obliterated longstanding American policy in the region, handed a series
    of pinless policy grenades to President Biden and then took cover.The inability to broker a final settlement between Israel and Palestine is an American foreign policy failure that spans at least six administrations stretching back to the 1980s. But it
    was the last two Republican presidents who departed dramatically from the international "land for peace" consensus that was supposed to result in a Palestinian state. Former President George W. Bush, despite occasional rhetoric supporting Palestinian
    statehood, walked back America's commitment to widely shared interpretations of UN Security Council Resolution 242 by signing off on Israel retaining large settlement blocs in the West Bank, demanding that Palestinians usher in a functioning democracy
    before peace was possible and then washing his hands of the matter when he didn't like the election results. His world-historically disastrous war of choice in Iraq did more to bolster Iranian authoritarians than any other single event since the country'
    s revolution in 1979.But it was former President Donald Trump who did far more catastrophic damage. Trump greenlit the needlessly provocative move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, part of which is located in territory the United Nations
    considered unlawfully occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. The move abandoned another longstanding American negotiating position—that Jerusalem would ultimately be a shared capital between two national people.Warned that moving the embassy would
    result in blowback down the line, the Trump administration and its allies mostly gloated about how clever they were. When Palestine did not immediately erupt into chaos, they concluded that the maneuver would have no repercussions. Not only that, but
    Trump then recognized the permanent Israeli annexation of the occupied Golan Heights and invalidated a 1978 State Department ruling that Israeli settlements in the West Bank were unlawful.Instead, the Trump administration gave the Israeli government
    carte blanche not only to expand existing settlements but to grant even isolated encampments anywhere in the West Bank legitimacy and sovereignty. The Trump administration's subservience to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his maximalist
    government was so complete that polling suggested Israel would have given the former president his largest margin over Biden if it were a U.S. state.To make matters worse, the Trump team followed through on its promise to torch the Joint Comprehensive
    Plan of Action, better known as the Iran Deal. Not even the Trump officials responsible for this gratuitous act of diplomatic sabotage could identify any reason for it, other than that they wanted to. The move not only led predictably to the resumption
    of Iranian nuclear activities but also to the election of an ultra-hardline government in Tehran that redoubled its destructive meddling in regional affairs, including providing cash, training and weapons to Hamas militants.The Biden administration did
    little to reverse any of these Trump disasters, even picking up the baton of helping Israel conclude separate peace agreements with Arab states rather than encouraging a resumption of talks with Palestinians. Biden has refused to follow through on
    reopening the consulate in Jerusalem for Palestinians. And ultimately, the administration's severe political risk aversion has insulated it neither from disingenuous Republican attacks nor Palestinian frustration with the status quo.Nevertheless,
    claiming that the president is responsible for the horrific Hamas attacks inside of Israel is preposterous, like poking a hornet's nest, running away and then blaming the sucker who comes along next and gets stung.https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-
    partly-blame-situation-israel-opinion-1833933Yep. Twump dun that too.-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional





    Has Donald Trump occupied Palestine?
    In a way, yes. If you read the article, you'd know what "in a way" means.

    HAAHAHAHAAAHA must be so weird having Trump living inside your head 24 hours a day 7 days a week! so obsessed/desperate you can somehow relate any subject at all to Trump. amazing

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