https://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/
The escalation of violence in the Middle East should provide an impetus for implementing a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said.Palestinian state under the principles that the UN has approved.”
Speaking to journalists on Thursday, the top diplomat reiterated a call for a swift resolution of the crisis. After that, hopefully “everyone would take responsibility for implementing the decisions of the UN Security Council on the creation of a
“All of us had the same opinion… that this confrontation must be stopped immediately, that parties should respect international humanitarian law, prevent any terrorist actions and indiscriminate use of force,” Lavrov said.
He stressed that civilians from both sides were suffering en masse and that the failure to create a viable Palestinian state was the root of continued tensions in the region.
Also very interesting Bibi clip. Must see.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote: > > once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he iswanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.> For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the > same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... > > ... it
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49AM UTC-4, Pelle Svansls wrote:>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:>>> once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary tooppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.>> For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the>> same as it ever was. A two-state
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only hasFor once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is
he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is
wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear
head whilst everyone is terrified.
the same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But
...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
-- "And off they went, from here to there, The bear, the bear, and
the maiden fair" -- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and
they are proceeding with their plans.
A promised land for God's chosen people.
Quite a concept, that.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> writes:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only hasFor once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is
he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is
wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear
head whilst everyone is terrified.
the same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But
...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
-- "And off they went, from here to there, The bear, the bear, and
the maiden fair" -- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and
they are proceeding with their plans.
A promised land for God's chosen people.
Quite a concept, that.Interestingly Putin has similar designs on acquiring territory he
believes is his and is willing to kill on much larger scale. And yet,
Pete has been largely supportive of Putin. Hell, he is also (allegedly)
the native son of a country that wiped out the vast majority of native Americans and stole their land. He's happy to live here though. His
faux outrage is hilarious.
Biden has similar designs on acquring any terroritory he can get his
hands on to become proxy states of the USA or to sell weapons to and
get reparations company $$$, just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria,
Libya etc. You voted purposely for Biden more of these neocon wars, so
can't say much.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 16:41:55 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> writes:
Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan...
Biden has similar designs on acquring any terroritory he can get
his hands on to become proxy states of the USA or to sell weapons
to and get reparations company $$$, just look at Afghanistan, Iraq,
Syria, Libya etc. You voted purposely for Biden more of these
neocon wars, so can't say much.
after all his neocon pals had looted the place, they'd made their $$$
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> writes:
Biden has similar designs on acquring any terroritory he can get hisBiden pulled us out of Afghanistan...
hands on to become proxy states of the USA or to sell weapons to and
get reparations company $$$, just look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria,
Libya etc. You voted purposely for Biden more of these neocon wars, so can't say much.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 16:41:55 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> writes:
Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan...
Biden has similar designs on acquring any terroritory he can get
his hands on to become proxy states of the USA or to sell weapons
to and get reparations company $$$, just look at Afghanistan,
Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. You voted purposely for Biden more of
these neocon wars, so can't say much.
after all his neocon pals had looted the place, they'd made their $$$
But you just said he has designs on the land. The land is in fact
very valuable, containing a vast supply of untapped precious metals.
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:27:23 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in Hamas, they don't want a 2 state solution they want the whole of Israel and to wipe the Jews off the map.
On 13.10.2023 18.37, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:27:23 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >>> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in Hamas, they don't want a 2 state solution they want the whole of Israel and to wipe the Jews off the map.Didn't you just call Mr Putin a peacenik with a clear-headed
humanitarian two-state solution?
jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> writes:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 16:41:55 UTC+1, jdeluise wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> writes:
Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan...
Biden has similar designs on acquring any terroritory he can get
his hands on to become proxy states of the USA or to sell weapons
to and get reparations company $$$, just look at Afghanistan,
Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. You voted purposely for Biden more of
these neocon wars, so can't say much.
after all his neocon pals had looted the place, they'd made their $$$
But you just said he has designs on the land. The land is in factbtw, is Biden a neocon or a marxist? Make up your mind.
very valuable, containing a vast supply of untapped precious metals.
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:21:27 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:enough Islamics turned up in Europe or USA and then claimed their own ISIS state? once the majority how can you argue?
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.if they desperately wanted that, why didn't they just take it after the 6 day war? fact is the Jews became the majority in the area by mass immigration and got the state they wanted, then the Arabs rebelled against it. Surely it no different than if
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:27:23 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > > On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote: > > > once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not onlyhas he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified. > > For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the > > same as
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:21:27 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:enough Islamics turned up in Europe or USA and then claimed their own ISIS state? once the majority how can you argue?
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.if they desperately wanted that, why didn't they just take it after the 6 day war? fact is the Jews became the majority in the area by mass immigration and got the state they wanted, then the Arabs rebelled against it. Surely it no different than if
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:ronly has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified. > > For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the > > same
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:27:23 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > > On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote: > > > once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not
They both want each others land ie entire region.
They both have some claims historical, demographical etc, and they're both relentless.
The difference is that Palestinians have not occupied Israel, but Israel has occupied Palestine.
They both want to slaughter each other, but Jews are on Palestinean recognized land, creating new settlements every day.
It's a theft and sadism.
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On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:24 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified. > > For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the > > same
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 14:27:23 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: > > On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote: > > > once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not
They both want each others land ie entire region.
They both have some claims historical, demographical etc, and they're both relentless.
The difference is that Palestinians have not occupied Israel, but Israel has occupied Palestine.
They both want to slaughter each other, but Jews are on Palestinean recognized land, creating new settlements every day.
It's a theft and sadism.
--
----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWhen you are negotiating while living in a tent and they are telling you they will give you a bigger tent as the state you are asking for, it's normal to reject such kind of negotiations.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:enough Islamics turned up in Europe or USA and then claimed their own ISIS state? once the majority how can you argue?
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:21:27 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >> what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.if they desperately wanted that, why didn't they just take it after the 6 day war? fact is the Jews became the majority in the area by mass immigration and got the state they wanted, then the Arabs rebelled against it. Surely it no different than if
They took it, but give it back after war 73 and signing peace treaty with Sadat, which they regretted later.
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:27:54 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:enough Islamics turned up in Europe or USA and then claimed their own ISIS state? once the majority how can you argue?
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:21:27 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:if they desperately wanted that, why didn't they just take it after the 6 day war? fact is the Jews became the majority in the area by mass immigration and got the state they wanted, then the Arabs rebelled against it. Surely it no different than if
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get. lonce again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >>>>>> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
They took it, but give it back after war 73 and signing peace treaty with Sadat, which they regretted later.that makes no sense, why give back in 73 if they wanted it all along? if they always wanted it they'd just hang onto it.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
--
--Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wha's yo name, fool?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >>>> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ...
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation
what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
--
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "Wha's yo name, fool?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The founding myth of the USA too.
On 10/14/23 12:55 AM, joh wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >>>> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
I think you're confusing the US in general with the Mormons in particular.--
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Wha's yo name, fool?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting."
--Charles Bukowski ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/14/23 12:55 AM, joh wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:I think you're confusing the US in general with the Mormons in particular.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>>> On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the >>>>>> same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
--
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Wha's yo name, fool?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No, I don't think so.
On 14.10.2023 11.50, joh wrote:
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/14/23 12:55 AM, joh wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:I think you're confusing the US in general with the Mormons in particular.
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get. >>>>> They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional
Quite a concept, that.
--
--Sawfish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Wha's yo name, fool?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No, I don't think so.sawfish hasn't thought this through.
joh <josh...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
The founding myth of the USA too.Enough with historical relativisation.
Whatever happened there, ended long time ago.
As progressives would say, you can not do this in 2023.
Israel (all Jews of the world, since all Jews of the world are eligible for Israeli citizenship and many of them are settlers) is now genociding natives in Gaza in response to SOME natives there committing terrorism in response to Jewish theft ofPalestinean land and occupation that's ongoing for more than 70 years.
Israel exist. But Palestine does not exist because it's under occupation.
So the chicken or the egg is very clear here.
Palestineans are occupied 70 years. And Jews build new cities there all the time stealing Palestinean land.
Germany was under occupation 1945-1949.
They had Hitler and were very bad so they got occupied 4 years.
Are Palestineans that much worse that they should get 70+ years?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Israel_and_occupied_territories_map.png
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/14/23 12:55 AM, joh wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
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They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
Quite a concept, that.
No, I don't think so.I think you're confusing the US in general with the Mormons in particular.--
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On 10/13/23 11:49 AM, The Iceberg wrote:if enough Islamics turned up in Europe or USA and then claimed their own ISIS state? once the majority how can you argue?
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:27:54 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>> On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 15:21:27 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:if they desperately wanted that, why didn't they just take it after the 6 day war? fact is the Jews became the majority in the area by mass immigration and got the state they wanted, then the Arabs rebelled against it. Surely it no different than
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get. l >>>>> They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
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"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Quite a concept, that.
These are the same guys, the Israelis, who have been buildingThey took it, but give it back after war 73 and signing peace treaty with Sadat, which they regretted later.that makes no sense, why give back in 73 if they wanted it all along? if they always wanted it they'd just hang onto it.
settlements in the west bank that violate the agreement, is this correct?
Ice, I'm not saying you're wrong--I really don't know. But I could
easily envision giving back the gaza strip as a part of a negotiated settlement after 73. I'd suspect that if they want it now, it's to deny
a base of operations to Hamas.
On Saturday, 14 October 2023 at 11:47:28 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 14.10.2023 11.50, joh wrote:
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:sawfish hasn't thought this through.
On 10/14/23 12:55 AM, joh wrote:No, I don't think so.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:21:27 PM UTC+2, Sawfish wrote:I think you're confusing the US in general with the Mormons in particular. >>>
On 10/13/23 6:27 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:The founding myth of the USA too.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:A promised land for God's chosen people.
On 13.10.2023 13.40, The Iceberg wrote:Will never happen. Israel wants every piece of land they can get. >>>>>>> They want their promised land to extend between the two rivers and they are proceeding with their plans.
once again Mr.Putin is proving to be a humanitarian. Not only has he given sanctuary to oppressed white Africans but now he is wanting to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem, keeping a clear head whilst everyone is terrified.For once, I actually agree with you. The solution for the crisis is the
same as it ever was. A two-state solution. Lavrov is right. But ... >>>>>>>>
... it is, would you believe, Twump, that largely made the situation >>>>>>>> what it is.
bob's to blame.
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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Quite a concept, that.
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oh please enlighten us then, you history-hating Marxist maroon.
it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in
Hamas, they don't want a 2 state solution they want the whole of Israel
and to wipe the Jews off the map.
The Iceberg kirjoitti 13.10.2023 klo 18.37:> it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in > Hamas, they don't want a 2 state solution they want the whole of Israel > and to wipe the Jews off the map.This is true. Hamas'officially stated goal is to end Israel through jihad.
TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:rofficially stated goal is to end Israel through jihad.
The Iceberg kirjoitti 13.10.2023 klo 18.37:> it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in > Hamas, they don't want a 2 state solution they want the whole of Israel > and to wipe the Jews off the map.This is true. Hamas'
So it means they're like Israel?
Israel's stated goal is to prevent Palestine from existing.
The only difference is that Israel is successful.
And btw Hamas does not represent Palestineans so it's actually irrelevant what they say.
On Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 22:50:10 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r > > The Iceberg kirjoitti 13.10.2023 klo 18.37:> it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in > Hamas, they don't want a 2state solution they want the whole of Israel > and to wipe the Jews off the map.This is true. Hamas' officially stated goal is to end Israel through jihad. > > > So it means they're like Israel? > > Israel's stated goal is to prevent Palestine from
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rstate solution they want the whole of Israel > and to wipe the Jews off the map.This is true. Hamas' officially stated goal is to end Israel through jihad. > > > So it means they're like Israel? > > Israel's stated goal is to prevent Palestine from
On Sunday, 15 October 2023 at 22:50:10 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r > > The Iceberg kirjoitti 13.10.2023 klo 18.37:> it'll never be enough for the Palestinians, that's why they voted in > Hamas, they don't want a 2
Hamas was installed by Israel in Gaza to sow division among the Palestinians and split Gaza and West Bank.
Hamas is not a representative of Palestineans.
Not even in Gaza where they rule.
After 70 years and occupation, being bombed and killed, people are terrorised, brainwashed and radicalised. Their vote would not matter even if the cast one freely.
And there's nothing fair in Hamas "winning 2006 election" or whenever and holding power to this day in Gaza and disobeying Palestinean legit resistance, PLO.
I understand why radical Hamas did what they did the other day, they slaughtered many Jews and in return many Palestineans will die in retribution that Jews will do according to their rule, "we kill 5 Palestineans for 1 Jew".
Hamas excluded themselves forever after their terrorist act but they also showed to the world what are Jews like, and perhaps their startegy will end up being succesful, drawing attention to 70-year occupation of Palestineans.
Sometimes nice guys simply can not achieve things.
Is it time that Israel ends occupation?
On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:
https://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:40:04 UTC+8, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote: > > https://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/ >lost out big.And they are still at it.Gerrit
SNIPIsn't it ironic that 75 years ago the UN agreed to a 2 state solution.IIsrael accepted the UN resolution in 1948.The Arab nations (and presumably the peoplewho now call themselves Palestinians) did not and invaded the rtewly proclaimed Israel.And
On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 13:15:08 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:40:04 UTC+8, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote: > > https://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/ > > SNIPIsn't it ironic that 75 years ago the UN agreed to a 2 state solution.IIsrael accepted the UN resolution in 1948.The Arab nations (and
"Gerrit 't Hart" > Wrote in message:rAnd lost out big.And they are still at it.Gerrit
On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:40:04 UTC+8, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote: > > https://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/
SNIPIsn't it ironic that 75 years ago the UN agreed to a 2 state solution.IIsrael accepted the UN resolution in 1948.The Arab nations (and presumably the peoplewho now call themselves Palestinians) did not and invaded the rtewly proclaimed Israel.
Fake news.
Why do you enjoy lying so much?
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"Gerrit 't Hart" <gthart@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rdailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/ > > SNIPIsn't it ironic that 75 years ago the UN agreed to a 2 state solution.IIsrael accepted the UN resolution in 1948.The Arab nations (and
On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 13:15:08 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:40:04 UTC+8, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote: > > https://
Hello Geritt, I will post it later today.
*skriptis kirjoitti 18.10.2023 klo 11.56://dailystormer.in/lavrov-calls-for-immediately-implementing-un-decisions-on-israel-creating-palestinian-state/ > > SNIPIsn't it ironic that 75 years ago the UN agreed to a 2 state solution.IIsrael accepted the UN resolution in 1948.The Arab nations (and
"Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 13:15:08 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, 13 October 2023 at 18:40:04 UTC+8, The Iceberg wrote:> On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 18:59:15 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote: > > https:
Hello Geritt, I will post it later today.Put up links from Wikipedia for your claims. Since we don't trust your claims & sources.
Hello SkriptisPlease tell me what is fake and/or lying about my comment.Gerrit
"Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Hello SkriptisPlease tell me what is fake and/or lying about my comment.Gerrit
There's a logical fallacy in your post and in overall understanding of the situation.
I'll give you a counter example.
Even if we place entire blame on Germany for starting or causing ww1, it's absurd and impossible to punish them or try to punish them for anything related to ww1 in this year, 2023.
Not only because ww1 happened long time ago 1914-1918, but because ww1 was done, was settled, rightly or wrongly, and then even that post ww1 structure collapsed, we had ww2 in 1939-1945, and a new reality after that altogether.
So the post ww1 structure, or ww1 as a cause of anything today is a moot point.
Yes it's important to know all of it, and it's not a prehistoric era, there's a lot of cause and effect, but it's not relevant in legal sense. It's indeed history.
I think we can also agree that 1948 is a year 0 or day 0 in Israeli-Arab relations because that's moment when state of Israel was created. That's when the history sort of begins in terms of state relations.
But new reality, new UN resolution and all that, was created in 1967, following their last war. So the 1948 events are irrelevant.
Prehistory is before 1948, before Jewish state was created, then history is 1948-1967 and 1967-present day is politics.
1967 UN resolutions still aren't implemented and alternatively new ones have not been passed.
So that's the problem you can discuss if you want.
If you want to solve problems, you deal with politics, you can't touch history or even prehistory.
So to put this kinda in comparison.west think it's the Jews who have the moral high ground. In my view, it's absolutely opposite from that.
Anything before 1948 is "prehistory" in terms of relations between the two sides. State of Israel did not exist and we can only discuss whose people are more right or wrong, who has the moral high ground etc. Jewish propaganda made sure people in the
Bunch of Jews meeting in Basel, Switzerland in 1881 at a first Zionist congress and deciding they'll conquer Palestine is as agressive move as Hitler forming his nazi party and pursuing policy of destroying Russia to seize the lands for Germans ineastern Europe.
It's a form of conquest.holocaust guilt that some Europeans enjoy to experience.
You don't get to have moral high ground when you do that.
We can accept it once it's done, and you have to live with that, e.g. like white Europeans conquering North America, new nations have been formed, facts on the ground are established, that's the reality, but please, spare me of propaganda.
Does anyone in USA e.g. claim it's awesome that whites conquered North America and prevented redskins from establishing their nations? It's good for whites, I guess, but there's no much gloating anymore?
Jews otoh claim it's awesome that they've conquered middle east. For an impartial observer it's absurd, but western people buy it. Partly because of distorted and heretical protestant Christianity nowadays who are into Jew worshiping, and of course
The real truth, if you want to debate pre-1948, as a fun, then Jews don't have the moral high ground in relation to Palestinians. They have low ground.
Following collapse of medieval Arab empires, right through modernity, the middle east was held by Ottoman Turks for centuries. And then by British following WW1.
British mandate was established in 1918 and Jews started moving to Palestine.
The first british high commissioner was a Jew.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Samuel,_1st_Viscount_SamuelPalestine. In 1920 he was appointed as the first High Commissioner for Palestine, in charge of the administration of the territory.
He was the first nominally-practising Jew to serve as a Cabinet minister and to become the leader of a major British political party. Samuel had promoted Zionism within the British Cabinet, beginning with his 1915 memorandum entitled The Future of
So do you think the whole British rule in Palestine was fair towards the Arabs?
I would say probably no.
You see, we must understand their rage. They were a conquered people under British rule post ww1, they were promised freedom if they rebelled against Turks and help Britain in WW1, but after WW1 they were still not free, still a colony, now underBritish rule, which was subverted by Jews, who were working towards Jewish interests, allowing mass immigration of Jews into Palestine.
Arabs, had they had their own sovereignty, would certainly not have allowed that. And even if they let some Jews in, they would not have allowed a separate, exclusive Jewish state.
If Arabs got what they wanted post ww1, they'd probably recreated some of their medieval empire, not created bunch of states.
So Arabs were in a unique situation.
Members of their enemy tribe (Jews) have subverted global superpower (British) who were the masters there and then British opened the gates for Jews to move there, ignoring Arab objections.
Hers a fun short clip of 30 seconds from Arab movie relating to those times.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=W3HbJFp4t9EeCMVa&v=HN3qR2H4jGY&feature=youtu.be
Imagine if the British allowed the mass migrations of Chinese into India during their rule in India, and a British official in charge of that was a chink?
Yes, it's irritating for the people affected.
Funnily, it's same today. Again a Jew that's high within ranks of global power is the one who decides in the interests of his tribesmen.
When US secretary of state Blinken visited Israel days ago he said...
https://globalbihari.com/i-come-before-you-not-only-as-the-united-states-secretary-of-state-but-also-as-a-jew/
So all of this leaves a bitter taste in their mouth. Arabs feel their land was stolen from them. It was not them who expelled Jews from Palestine (Judea) in the first place, Roman empire did in year 70.
And then Jews "return". How can you allegedly return 1900 years later and demand even a piece of it, let alone whole land?
So the Arabs who want to see no Israel, want to see it destroyed are not as radical as they're presented in Jewish media in the west.
Destroying a state entity is different from destroying people.
USA completely destroyed Confederate States of America. But they didn't kill people.
Most of Arabs and Moslems who even want to "destroy Israel" want to destroy it in that fashion. Genocide of the Jews is more of a Jewish propaganda for gullible westerners.
So how did the British mandate end after WW2? Jews were now even more powerful and the Jews who run those affairs in Britain made sure Israel gets more than 50% of Palestine even though they were only third of the people by 1948.
Get it? Arabs were furious that there are even Jews there at all, let alone that they got more then 50% of Palestine when they're about a third of population.
Israel declared independence in 1948 within boundaries that they received, and Arabs being angry attacked them.
But the thing is, Israel was attacked by another countries, by Egypt, by Jordan etc.
Israel won the war and even expanded their terrority at the expense of the rest of the former British mandate.
So "Arabs in Palestine" lose land, because another countries attacked Israel.
Sounds dumb, but ok.
Then UN and the world acknowledged those changes, and let Israel have even more of British Palestine which made Arabs even more angry.
But the thing is, the areas of former British mandate that Israel didn't conquer in 1948, were occupied by Egypt, Jordan etc.
Those are the present day West Bank, Gaza etc.
Jordan, Egypt didn't annex those territories and made it part of their countries, didn't issue passports to people etc.
Those Arabs in the reaming parts of British Palestine were now under occupation by another Arab nations.
Then in 1967 new Israel Arab war broke out, Israel seized those areas from Egypt and Jordan and now all territories of British Palestine was either Israel, or Israeli occupied.
Israel too didn't annex west bank and Gaza because they don't want to issue passports to people there, they don't want multicultural state, they want Jewish state, but they also want that land.
Being occupied is not some vague term. It means you're under military rule with no civil rights.
And they've kept those areas under occupation since 1967, when UN passed last resolution, affirming Israel's right for an even greater Israel, acknowledging all of their gains in wars 1948-1967 but stipulating that the last remnants of British mandateof Palestine must be given their freedom ie statehood.
Israel is ignoring that, has been building settlements and cities, colonizing West Bank, and all of those areas are outside of Israel. Also Gaza was under blockade for the last 2 decades or so.
To sum it up, Germany and Japan were under occupation following ww2 and it lasted a couple of years.
The remnants of British mandate of Palestine that are supposed to be Arab state next to a Jewish state is under occupation since the mandate ended.
Israel was created in 1948.
At the same time (the rest of) Palestine was occupied by Egypt, Jordan. And in 1967 it was occupied by Israel.
So you give Hitler to the world, you end up being under occupation 1945-1949. 4 years.
You live for thousands of years on your land, or at least hundreds, and you get 75 years of occupation, last 56 under Jews who build new cities on your land all the time, stealing more and more.
Imagine if Germany was still occupied and a French and a British and American and Russian settlers moving in and French majority cities were being built and popping out in Bavarian Alps in 2023, Russian Noviy Berlin was being built next to Berlin andso on.
Occupation of Germany ended in 1949, after 4 years.
Occupation of Palestine should also end after 75 years, of which last 56 is done by the Israel.
It says the last valid UN decision.
Israel has options.
1. Ethnic cleansing. Expell all Arabs from the remaining British Palestine and annex land with no people.
2. Decent conquest. Annex all Palestine and issue passports, create multicultural Israel like the Jews promote in western countries.
3. Abandon occupied territories and return inside Israeli borders.
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On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 19:16:41 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > Hello SkriptisPlease tell me what is fake and/or lying about my comment.Gerrit > > > > There's a logical fallacy in your postand in overall understanding of the situation. > > I'll give you a counter example. > > Even if we place entire blame on Germany for starting or causing ww1, it's absurd and impossible to punish them or try to punish them for anything related to ww1 in
"Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rand in overall understanding of the situation. > > I'll give you a counter example. > > Even if we place entire blame on Germany for starting or causing ww1, it's absurd and impossible to punish them or try to punish them for anything related to ww1 in
On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 19:16:41 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > Hello SkriptisPlease tell me what is fake and/or lying about my comment.Gerrit > > > > There's a logical fallacy in your post
I told you and explained that what happened in 1948 is not relevant.
It's history.
We discuss politics, present day problem. Not history.
So that's fake news, mixing history that's not relevant.
Jews stole cca half of Palestine, before 1948, UN legalized it, so Arabs tried to retake it, they lost war, Israel stole even more after winning that 1948 war, then UN legalized even that.
That's history. 2 rounds of theft, legalized.
And then Jews stole even more in 1967 war, which UN refuses to legalize, so their third round is mog legalized.
Jews refusing to either give back land or finally annex it and give people there their civil rights.
That's the current issue.
Only Jews are to be blamed.
Germans were occupied by the allies in 1945-1949.
On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:07:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 19:16:41 UTC+8, *skriptis wrote:> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gth...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>Germany for starting or causing ww1, it's absurd and impossible to punish them or try to punish them for anything related to ww1 in this year, 2023. > > Not only because ww1 happened long time ago 1914-1918, but because ww1 was done, was settled, rightly
Hello SkriptisPlease tell me what is fake and/or lying about my comment.Gerrit > > > > There's a logical fallacy in your post and in overall understanding of the situation. > > I'll give you a counter example. > > Even if we place entire blame on
Destroying a state entity is different from destroying people. > > USA completely destroyed Confederate States of America. But they didn't kill people. > > Most of Arabs and Moslems who even want to "destroy Israel" want to destroy it in that fashion.Genocide of the Jews is more of a Jewish propaganda for gullible westerners. > > > > So how did the British mandate end after WW2? Jews were now even more powerful and the Jews who run those affairs in Britain made sure Israel gets more than 50% of
occupation following ww2 and it lasted a couple of years. > > The remnants of British mandate of Palestine that are supposed to be Arab state next to a Jewish state is under occupation since the mandate ended. > > Israel was created in 1948. > > At theIsrael is ignoring that, has been building settlements and cities, colonizing West Bank, and all of those areas are outside of Israel. Also Gaza was under blockade for the last 2 decades or so. > > > > To sum it up, Germany and Japan were under
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