• Gracchus, what do you think about this song about Bob Dylan?

    From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 8 11:20:25 2023
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Sun Oct 8 13:07:20 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two. Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ." Something like this is very dependent on the context of the era. I can see how people would have gotten a
    laugh from it in 1965 when there were all these folkies in the US and UK trying so hard to write and sound like like Dylan. That's why Pennebaker's film "Don't Look Back" is such a valuable document of that place and time.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Mon Oct 9 00:05:45 2023
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejkhttps://
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Oct 8 15:11:01 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues
    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.

    Something like this is very dependent on the context of the era. I can see how people would have gotten a laugh from it in 1965

    It was only recorded in 1970. So unlikely anyone got a laugh in 1965 ;-)

    when there were all these folkies in the US and UK trying so hard to write and sound like like Dylan. That's why Pennebaker's film "Don't Look Back" is such a valuable document of that place and time.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Sun Oct 8 16:50:17 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.

    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?

    Something like this is very dependent on the context of the era. I can see how people would have gotten a laugh from it in 1965

    It was only recorded in 1970. So unlikely anyone got a laugh in 1965 ;-)

    He wrote it in 1965 and might have performed it then. Too bad it wasn't recorded when still "ripe." :)

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 22:22:06 2023
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisraja777@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejkhttps://
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant


    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Oct 9 09:17:14 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?

    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic grip
    on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and very
    British.



    Something like this is very dependent on the context of the era. I can see how people would have gotten a laugh from it in 1965

    It was only recorded in 1970. So unlikely anyone got a laugh in 1965 ;-)
    He wrote it in 1965 and might have performed it then. Too bad it wasn't recorded when still "ripe." :)

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Mon Oct 9 10:10:58 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?
    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic
    grip on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.

    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    There are other times where meaning seeps through and reaches you at a deep level even when you can't consciously make sense of it or explain it to anyone else. This is when lyrics become poetry. A few examples of writers who could do this (at least for
    me) are Leonard Cohen, Lal & Mike Waterson, and Nick Drake.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Oct 9 12:07:47 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejkhttps:
    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Oct 9 12:07:32 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?
    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic
    grip on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.
    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    There are other times where meaning seeps through and reaches you at a deep level even when you can't consciously make sense of it or explain it to anyone else. This is when lyrics become poetry. A few examples of writers who could do this (at least
    for me) are Leonard Cohen, Lal & Mike Waterson, and Nick Drake.
    I like Nick Drake. Never cared for Cohen. Not sure who the others are.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Oct 9 12:09:46 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?
    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic
    grip on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.
    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    You never know what their real intentions were... for many of the experimental, heavy and prog bands, the instrumentation and arrangements were the key and the lyrics could be any nonsense.

    There are other times where meaning seeps through and reaches you at a deep level even when you can't consciously make sense of it or explain it to anyone else. This is when lyrics become poetry. A few examples of writers who could do this (at least
    for me) are Leonard Cohen, Lal & Mike Waterson, and Nick Drake.

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Mon Oct 9 12:14:33 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 2:09:48 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?
    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic
    grip on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.
    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    You never know what their real intentions were... for many of the experimental, heavy and prog bands, the instrumentation and arrangements were the key and the lyrics could be any nonsense.
    There are other times where meaning seeps through and reaches you at a deep level even when you can't consciously make sense of it or explain it to anyone else. This is when lyrics become poetry. A few examples of writers who could do this (at least
    for me) are Leonard Cohen, Lal & Mike Waterson, and Nick Drake.
    Also John Paul Jones confirmed that Led Zeppelin did not write songs to be song-based.

    https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/john-paul-jones-on-the-songwriting-led-zeppelin-wasnt-song-based/
    “At first we were all writing songs together. Unlike a lot of other bands, Led Zeppelin wasn’t song-based but performance-based,” Jones adds. “The Who are song-based; it almost doesn’t matter who played them, as we see now with them being only
    two original members. Whereas with Led Zeppelin, other people playing the songs don’t really translate that well.”

    "Generally whoever had a riff would bring it in, and if it worked it would make the album. And music would emerge in jams and be worked on in sections"

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Mon Oct 9 12:20:50 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:09:48 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.

    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    You never know what their real intentions were... for many of the experimental, heavy and prog bands, the instrumentation and arrangements were the key and the lyrics could be any nonsense.

    And it may work in that situation if listeners don't care about lyrics. I prefer if they are at least trying to honestly communicate something even if the lyrical approach is unorthodox. But I do like some Dylan songs for example when I think he's just
    tossing out striking images and phrases without any cohesive meaning.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Mon Oct 9 12:32:19 2023
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:07:34 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 9:17:17 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:11:04 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 11:20:27 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejk

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues

    IMO it isn't super clever and feels like beating a dead horse after a minute or two.

    I don't think he was trying to be be clever there. Syd Barrett just wrote about things in a sort of "what he felt at the moment" sort of away... His songwriting was kinda spontaneous.

    ?Paul Simon did a better job in "A Simple Desultory Philippic ."

    I just heard this... this is definitely an intentional parody unlike the Syd Barrett song.
    So what do YOU think is special about the song? If you didn't know it was his, would it still grab your interest?
    What is interesting about that song is the way Syd strings words together... they are just unique... for example this verse....

    "Well I sing about dreams
    And I rhymes it with "seems"
    'Cause it seems that my dream always means
    That I can prophesy all kinds of things"

    Almost all of Syd's lyrics are unconventional... and in my opinion he is a poet who can sing and play guitar too. He also never seem to care how silly the lyrics may sound... because he sings with a lot of confidence... and he almost has a hypnotic
    grip on you. He didn't last too much in the industry. Just one album with Pink Floyd and few singles and the later two solo albums when he was already gone mentally. I would suggest listen to few of his other songs.

    Check out this song lyric from their first album... it is not the most conventional.
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pinkfloyd/flaming.html

    Though very much unique, it is essentially nonsense... but the way he sings and constructs the song... it is very hypnotic and also very much memorable... almost like some of John Lennon's lyrics around the same period (1967) but very whimsical and
    very British.
    OK. Thanks for explaining. There are many approaches to writing, obviously. I'm fine with "unconventional" lyrics as long as they do something for me. IMO there was a lot of stuff written in the 1960s where weird or abstruse lyrics were lauded as
    profound even when the writer didn't understand them. Dylan was guilty of it too. At least John Lennon *intended* "I Am the Walrus" as psychedelic gibberish. And I still love it!

    There are other times where meaning seeps through and reaches you at a deep level even when you can't consciously make sense of it or explain it to anyone else. This is when lyrics become poetry. A few examples of writers who could do this (at least
    for me) are Leonard Cohen, Lal & Mike Waterson, and Nick Drake.

    I like Nick Drake. Never cared for Cohen. Not sure who the others are.

    IMO Cohen's first 3-4 albums were awesome. He was also a published poet years before trying to write songs, which I think adds to his cachet.

    The Watersons I've mentioned to you before. They were huge in the British folk scene. Started off as a family doing traditional folk songs in vocal arrangements unlike anyone else. Two of them were Lal and Mike, who later wrote and recorded songs of
    their own on the album "Bright Phoebus." Lal's song "Fine Horseman" has been recorded by many other artists, as was "The Scarecrow" by Mike.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Oct 10 19:46:23 2023
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOokCdkIejkhttps:
    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.


    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.

    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Oct 10 08:55:46 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.


    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Oct 10 09:57:23 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.

    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?

    You took the bait and let him hijack the thread with this boring shit. On the bright side, it frees you from trying to defend a weak throwaway song. ;)

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  • From LedZep IgaSwanTech@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Tue Oct 10 11:11:06 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:57:25 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.

    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?
    You took the bait and let him hijack the thread with this boring shit. On the bright side, it frees you from trying to defend a weak throwaway song. ;)
    LOL... I don't think it was meant to recorded anyway. Syd Barrett was a mental patient by the time he started his solo career.

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Oct 10 12:46:52 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-4, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:57:25 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.

    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?
    You took the bait and let him hijack the thread with this boring shit. On the bright side, it frees you from trying to defend a weak throwaway song. ;)
    LOL... I don't think it was meant to recorded anyway. Syd Barrett was a mental patient by the time he started his solo career.

    https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=572065970&sxsrf=AM9HkKmoKdDVfJcQ9FQG5nUZH235Wz4DKw:1696966993132&q=men+at+work+who+can+it+be+now%3F&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLQz9U3MDWxzFDi1U_XNzRMNq0qyclOK9YS9C0tzkx2LCrJLC4JyQ_
    Oz0tfxCqXm5qnkFiiUJ5flK1QnpGvkJyYp5BZopCUqpCXX24PAFBgJ_VPAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWrsjWnuyBAxWmtokEHZSxCqoQri56BAg2EAY&biw=1180&bih=684&dpr=2

    Scot Aussie is good man!

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Tue Oct 10 12:52:05 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:11:08 PM UTC-4, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:57:25 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.

    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?

    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?
    You took the bait and let him hijack the thread with this boring shit. On the bright side, it frees you from trying to defend a weak throwaway song. ;)
    LOL... I don't think it was meant to recorded anyway. Syd Barrett was a mental patient by the time he started his solo career.

    https://open.spotify.com/track/1zkSuqTkLjeEw8xOaboqPm

    Scotsman Oz is good man!

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to LedZep IgaSwanTech on Thu Oct 12 18:55:05 2023
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:55:48 AM UTC-4, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 3:46:52 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/10/2023 6:07 am, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
    On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:22:27 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
    On 9/10/2023 9:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    This is recorded by Syd Barrett from Pink Floyd after he was fired from the band, though the song was written earlier... in fact much earlier in 1965 when Pink Floyd hadn't recorded anything as a band.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    uOokCdkIejkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan_Blues



    Irrelevant
    Yep, like having Lendl in the goat conversation.
    Or Sampras.
    When Sampras retired he held the all time slam record, 6 yrs no.1 etc.


    How about Lendl? How many Wimbledons did he win again?
    5 YECs, 270 weeks as #1. 5 years with 90 plus win percentage (82, 85, 86, 87, 89) - no one has topped that yet.

    How many French Opens did Sampras win? Did he even make a final?


    Lendl and Sampras were both nauseating for different reasons. I wasn't a fan of either one. However, they were both all time greats and I'd take them over 99.999% of the current top players today to watch. Maybe they can both come back now and see if
    they could do better vs Djokovic than the Tsitsipas/Medvedev/etc. crew? Lendl who is a fat whale and is 63, could probably summon up the motivation to do better than those deadbeats vs older but super fit Djokovic.

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