"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
.mikko
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
.mikko
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actualcontribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actualcontribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:ractual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
We know you loved Federer too much over the years, you were clear about it in your posts :)
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r> > "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed tothe game on so many levels.Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:rthe game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r> > "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to
Never hated Sampras, I have stated this many times. I mentioned when I decided to transform my game, I picked the best effortless player at the time and it was Sampras. I switched to the heaviest targets racquets which was his. He inspired me for 5years and I was huge fan and wanted him to win all the time. I remember sitting and watching him giving a tennis lesson to Roddick in the uso. During this time a friend told me about that young talented guy named Federer, I watched him growing and
I invented my alias pwl just to counter for the craziness that whisper came with against Federer. It was continuous discrediting to anything Federer achieved after his pick Roddick proved to be useless against Federer. I don't believe I have ever saidanything negative about his game other than bringing the effectiveness of the serve versus the looks of the server, comparing him to other great servers.
So my tennis inspiration that I used to stay healthy and keep playing tennis started with Boris, Edberg, Sampras, and ended with Federer.
In the last 5-7 years I knew I was selfish because I wanted Federer to keep playing even though he was getting older but he was the only one I would commit myself to watch play.
I hope you understand now.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:26:01 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r> > "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed
years and I was huge fan and wanted him to win all the time. I remember sitting and watching him giving a tennis lesson to Roddick in the uso. During this time a friend told me about that young talented guy named Federer, I watched him growing andNever hated Sampras, I have stated this many times. I mentioned when I decided to transform my game, I picked the best effortless player at the time and it was Sampras. I switched to the heaviest targets racquets which was his. He inspired me for 5
said anything negative about his game other than bringing the effectiveness of the serve versus the looks of the server, comparing him to other great servers.I invented my alias pwl just to counter for the craziness that whisper came with against Federer. It was continuous discrediting to anything Federer achieved after his pick Roddick proved to be useless against Federer. I don't believe I have ever
So my tennis inspiration that I used to stay healthy and keep playing tennis started with Boris, Edberg, Sampras, and ended with Federer.
In the last 5-7 years I knew I was selfish because I wanted Federer to keep playing even though he was getting older but he was the only one I would commit myself to watch play.
I hope you understand now.Honest stuff, makes perfect sense. No prob. This is entertainment stuff, not curing cancers, stopping wars.
We all have own untouchable spots (like me: Safin, Hingis, Kuerten......Delpo....) for various of reasons.
.mikko
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 3:59:15 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:26:01 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r> > "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed
years and I was huge fan and wanted him to win all the time. I remember sitting and watching him giving a tennis lesson to Roddick in the uso. During this time a friend told me about that young talented guy named Federer, I watched him growing andNever hated Sampras, I have stated this many times. I mentioned when I decided to transform my game, I picked the best effortless player at the time and it was Sampras. I switched to the heaviest targets racquets which was his. He inspired me for 5
said anything negative about his game other than bringing the effectiveness of the serve versus the looks of the server, comparing him to other great servers.I invented my alias pwl just to counter for the craziness that whisper came with against Federer. It was continuous discrediting to anything Federer achieved after his pick Roddick proved to be useless against Federer. I don't believe I have ever
So my tennis inspiration that I used to stay healthy and keep playing tennis started with Boris, Edberg, Sampras, and ended with Federer.
In the last 5-7 years I knew I was selfish because I wanted Federer to keep playing even though he was getting older but he was the only one I would commit myself to watch play.
I hope you understand now.Honest stuff, makes perfect sense. No prob. This is entertainment stuff, not curing cancers, stopping wars.
We all have own untouchable spots (like me: Safin, Hingis, Kuerten......Delpo....) for various of reasons.
.mikkoSafin was a brute tennis force, and womanizer :)
Kuerten had an artist touch.
Delpo was pain in Federer's back.
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:18:41PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:> "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels. > > Above is recent Murray quote. >contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court? ???? Are you kidding?He contributed to the game by being the most popular men's player of
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever. > > But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach? > > Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide
Court_1 > Wrote in message:rquote. > > I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever. > > But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach? > > Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:18:41 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:> "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.” > > Above is recent Murray
And Djokovic is the GOAT and age doesn't matter...
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:ractual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
We know you loved Federer too much over the years, you were clear about it in your posts :)No, I just hated Sampras more? :) *) (note I declared Sampras GOAT after USO 2002 win)
But seriously. As like Court has underlined : for GOAT race ...all other claims are practically subjective excuses? Similar to my Sampras -case denial?
*) I learnt to like Lendl and Sampras over the years but have to admit my love for Becker has significantly decreased due his off-court stuff...
Sidenote: one player I have learnt to love : Murray!
On Friday, 6 October 2023 at 18:25:10 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.also he broke new ground with 20 slams and took tennis into the new multimedia world, speaking multiple languages fluently, wasn't he also the first player to be "good at every stroke", so possibly he took the game to next level that way.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:08:54PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 3:59:15PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 10:26:01PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote inmessage:r > > > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:51:56 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:> MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r> > "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he
1) What does Federer's popularity have to do with any of that?
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
.mikko
.mikko
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 8:18:41 PM UTC+3, MBDunc wrote:
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
.mikko
1 Henman's quote, not Murray's - sorry.
2 excelled of court -> excelled off court
.mikko
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:ractual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:ractual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
We know you loved Federer too much over the years, you were clear about it in your posts :)
Regarding your question, do you need support on your position from rst? You will get it surely from whisper, he is a fed fan as well.
If you want my opinion on the matter, sorry your mind is made.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:18:41 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:regard. It's not even close.
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”
Above is recent Murray quote.
I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.
But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?
Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not trying it desperately? Fed was just a successful player but he never excelled of court?
???? Are you kidding?
He contributed to the game by being the most popular men's player of all time and putting people in stadiums, and having people watch him play on tv. He excelled off court more than any other men's player surpassing Borg, Connors, Agassi in that
That's why people have tepid responses to Djokovic despite the fact that he shattered every pertinent record. The guy was a knob and in that respect wasn't good enough to shine Federer's shoes. That's >why Djokovic was so intent on breaking Federer'srecords. That was his FU to Fed's popularity which he couldn't come close to no matter how hard he tried.
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote: > > MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r > >> "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pickFederer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do
On 7/10/2023 8:43 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:quote. > > I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever. > > But Fed actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach? > > Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:18:41 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:> "Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.” > > Above is recent Murray
And Djokovic is the GOAT and age doesn't matter...The true goat finds ways to win at all ages against all generations,
excuses are for lesser players.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him. >>>
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in thatNadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just accept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
On 10/10/2023 9:04 am, Court_1 wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that >> area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on hisNadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just accept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.Fed's problem is Novak could be so far ahead of him he will be rendered inconsequential. Imagine if Novak wins 30 slams (v Fed 20), 400 weeks
at no.1 (only a few weeks away from that number) v Fed's 200 something
weeks etc. Dominant greats from earlier eras are judged in the context
of their own era, Fed's problem is he's from Novak's era, despite what
PWl may say ; )
On 10/10/2023 9:59 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that >>> area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more >>> inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
Ok I do stoke the fires a little, but seriously the more Novak wins the smaller Federer becomes.
That wouldn't be the case if they played in
different eras. All the greats identified their biggest rivals and made
sure they really got up for their h2h battles as they mean so much.
Sampras said he always found extra gears playing Agassi and Becker. You don't want to leave the impression the other greats of your era were
better than you, for obvious reasons. Fed just couldn't do it.
On 10/10/2023 9:04 am, Court_1 wrote:actual contribution to the game?...... you rarely see more conservative and "best we do nothing" approach?Fed played his game. Was superb. Great tier1 career. But his world-wide contribution to a men's tennis? Borg/Connor/Agassi did tons more even not
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 7/10/2023 4:25 am, *skriptis wrote:
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
"Overall, Djokovic is the best of all-time on the numbers, but many will still pick Federer because of what he contributed to the game on so many levels.”Above is recent Murray quote.I surely know that Fed will be fans favorite forever.But Fed
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that >> area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on hisNadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
I can perhaps see it as him being the reason for tennis boom?
But if my memory serves me right, it only happened after Nadal joined him.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just accept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Fed's problem is Novak could be so far ahead of him he will be rendered inconsequential. Imagine if Novak wins 30 slams (v Fed 20), 400 weeks
at no.1 (only a few weeks away from that number) v Fed's 200 something
weeks etc. Dominant greats from earlier eras are judged in the context
of their own era, Fed's problem is he's from Novak's era, despite what
PWl may say ; )
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:58:15 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 10/10/2023 9:59 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more >>> inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
Ok I do stoke the fires a little, but seriously the more Novak wins the smaller Federer becomes
For now and while Djokovic is still playing but not over time. New tennis stars will take over, new fans will watch the sport. They won't care about the crap Fedalovic fans obsess about now.
That wouldn't be the case if they played in
different eras. All the greats identified their biggest rivals and made sure they really got up for their h2h battles as they mean so much.
Sampras said he always found extra gears playing Agassi and Becker. You don't want to leave the impression the other greats of your era were better than you, for obvious reasons. Fed just couldn't do it.
All of these greats from tennis history will remain greats. It's set in stone.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:58:15 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 10/10/2023 9:59 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his
sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more >>> inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
Ok I do stoke the fires a little, but seriously the more Novak wins thesmaller Federer becomes.
For now and while Djokovic is still playing but not over time. New tennis stars will take over, new fans will watch the sport. They won't care about the crap Fedalovic fans obsess about now.
That wouldn't be the case if they played in
different eras. All the greats identified their biggest rivals and made sure they really got up for their h2h battles as they mean so much. Sampras said he always found extra gears playing Agassi and Becker. You don't want to leave the impression the other greats of your era were better than you, for obvious reasons. Fed just couldn't do it.
All of these greats from tennis history will remain greats. It's set in stone.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 6:32:55 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:champion? Probably not. Nor would they care.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:58:15 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 10/10/2023 9:59 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his >>> sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
Ok I do stoke the fires a little, but seriously the more Novak wins thesmaller Federer becomes.
For now and while Djokovic is still playing but not over time. New tennis stars will take over, new fans will watch the sport. They won't care about the crap Fedalovic fans obsess about now.
That wouldn't be the case if they played in
different eras. All the greats identified their biggest rivals and made sure they really got up for their h2h battles as they mean so much. Sampras said he always found extra gears playing Agassi and Becker. You don't want to leave the impression the other greats of your era were better than you, for obvious reasons. Fed just couldn't do it.
All of these greats from tennis history will remain greats. It's set in stone.A case in point: ask your average tennis fan today what they know about Laver and Rosewall. If they recall anything at all, it will be that the two are old-time tennis champions, rivals, and Australians. Would they know that Laver was the greater
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:champion? Probably not. Nor would they care.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 6:32:55 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 4:58:15 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 10/10/2023 9:59 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote: >>> On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his >>> sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more
inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
Ok I do stoke the fires a little, but seriously the more Novak wins thesmaller Federer becomes.
For now and while Djokovic is still playing but not over time. New tennis stars will take over, new fans will watch the sport. They won't care about the crap Fedalovic fans obsess about now.
That wouldn't be the case if they played in
different eras. All the greats identified their biggest rivals and made
sure they really got up for their h2h battles as they mean so much. Sampras said he always found extra gears playing Agassi and Becker. You
don't want to leave the impression the other greats of your era were better than you, for obvious reasons. Fed just couldn't do it.
All of these greats from tennis history will remain greats. It's set in stone.A case in point: ask your average tennis fan today what they know about Laver and Rosewall. If they recall anything at all, it will be that the two are old-time tennis champions, rivals, and Australians. Would they know that Laver was the greater
Right.beloved player of all time, is going to slide into obscurity. You can't make this up.
Whisper is RST's anti-PWL when it comes to Federer.
According to Whisper, Emma Raducanu, who won one slam because she had a fortuitous draw, is going to be a legend for all time but Federer, who won 20 slams, has the 2nd most weeks at number 1, is the second or third greatest of all time, was the most
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 12:59:59 AM UTC+2, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:04:45 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:26:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/10/2023 9:07 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 5:35:09 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
Nadal was more inspirational than Federer no doubt about it.
That's silly and arguable. Let's not split hairs here. They're both legends of the sport. Their fans argue more about this inane stuff and Fedal are sitting on hundreds of millions with adoring fans all over the world.
For me, Federer has the style and grace factor locked up. Nobody comes close IMO.
In this era Fed has the 'style' maybe (McEnroe beats him easily in that
area), but grace? Nadal is the big fighter out there, heart on his sleeve and just prepared to punish himself for the win. He's def more inspirational that Roger imo, many players say the same.
He's the Gary Glitter of rst.Nadal has grace? He's the antithesis of grace. Please stop! You don't like Federer and that's fine but don't be the anti-PWL crazy.Haven't you realized Whisper is a twatwaffle whose Federer trolling is akin to compulsive masturbation? It's a waste of keystrokes trying to talk reasonably with him on the subject.
He's crazy with his Federer adoration, don't be crazy with your anti-Federer nonsense.
McEnroe can't carry Federer's jock strap in terms of grace and popularity. Just aept it and move on already.
Federer won't be an afterthought, EVER! He's won 20 slams and has the second most weeks at number one, etc. He's the second or third greatest of all time. Stop spewing rubbish.
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