Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot >thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating to watch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:It's frustrating to watch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot >thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking too
far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in his
mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's gotta
be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse. I was going to suggest he
narrows down his shot options so they become consistent and big
strengths, but that probably wouldn't work as opponents would work that
out. I guess we just have to take him as he is and expect he can and
will lose these types of matches now and again. Sinner now leads h2h 4-3.
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe
Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily.
Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot
thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating towatch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead.
JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking
too far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in
his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's
gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always
happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse.
I was going to suggest he narrows down his shot options so they
become consistent and big strengths, but that probably wouldn't work
as opponents would work that out. I guess we just have to take him as
he is and expect he can and will lose these types of matches now and
again. Sinner now leads h2h 4-3.
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner
outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos
keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot >thrown in,
and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating to watch such a
talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to
weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance. Carlos
was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1 match at a
time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd set he had
0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on serve and lost
etc - one of those performances when you're thinking too far ahead.
That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in his mind he was
already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse. I was going to suggest he
narrows down his shot options so they become consistent and big
strengths, but that probably wouldn't work as opponents would work that out. I guess we just have to take him as he is and expect he can and
will lose these types of matches now and again. Sinner now leads h2h 4-3.
On 10/3/23 9:13 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe
Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily.
Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot
thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating towatch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead.
JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he playsThere is much wisdom breaking a match into small granular pieces, and
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking
too far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in
his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always happen.
then competing for the pieces. I never really learned how to properly do that.
I can recall hearing or reading that Connors said that he viewed the
match one point at a time.
His variety is a blessing and a curse.Yes.
At this point, he has no wisdom.
Whisper kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 19.13:
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner
outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos
keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot >thrown in,
and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating to watch such a
talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to
weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance. Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1 match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking too far ahead.
That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse. I was going to suggest he
narrows down his shot options so they become consistent and big
strengths, but that probably wouldn't work as opponents would work that out. I guess we just have to take him as he is and expect he can and
will lose these types of matches now and again. Sinner now leads h2h 4-3.
Alkie is still improving. Shot selection, consistency, head...
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:51:03 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 19.13:
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner >>>> outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos
keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot >thrown in, >>>> and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating to watch such a
talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to
weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance. Carlos >>> was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1 match at a >>> time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd set he had
0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on serve and lost
etc - one of those performances when you're thinking too far ahead.
That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in his mind he was
already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's gotta be more like >>> Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse. I was going to suggest he
narrows down his shot options so they become consistent and big
strengths, but that probably wouldn't work as opponents would work that
out. I guess we just have to take him as he is and expect he can and
will lose these types of matches now and again. Sinner now leads h2h 4-3.
Alkie is still improving. Shot selection, consistency, head...
You left out "the kid is a choker."
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:He is indeed a VERY impressive player. That's the whole point. He has
On 10/3/23 9:13 AM, Whisper wrote:Two slams with no wisdom is impressive. ;)
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:There is much wisdom breaking a match into small granular pieces, and
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe
Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily.
Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot
thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating towatch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead.
JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking
too far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in
his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's
gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always
happen.
then competing for the pieces. I never really learned how to properly do
that.
I can recall hearing or reading that Connors said that he viewed the
match one point at a time.
His variety is a blessing and a curse.Yes.
At this point, he has no wisdom.
But he won't exceed single digits in slams unless he learns to (1) regulate energy (2) implement contingency plans when his intuitive approach isn't working.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:41:14 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/3/23 9:13 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:There is much wisdom breaking a match into small granular pieces, and
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe
Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily.
Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot
thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating towatch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead.
JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking
too far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in
his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's
gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always
happen.
then competing for the pieces. I never really learned how to properly do
that.
I can recall hearing or reading that Connors said that he viewed the
match one point at a time.
His variety is a blessing and a curse.Yes.
At this point, he has no wisdom.
Two slams with no wisdom is impressive. ;) But he won't exceed single digits in slams unless he learns to (1) regulate energy (2) implement contingency plans when his intuitive approach isn't working.
Whisper kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 19.13:
On 4/10/2023 2:40 am, Gracchus wrote:
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe
Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily.
Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot
thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It's frustrating towatch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead.
JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Yeah I watched it. Nobody should be surprised, Sinner has the game to
beat anyone. Carlos has a slight tendency to fuck around as he has so
many shot options and likes to showboat, this costs him when he plays
the toughest opponents like Medvedev. He had an early break but I
expected him to get broken because he often does for above reasons.
Sinner just wouldn't go away and hit huge when he got the chance.
Carlos was frustrated as he had no.1 on his mind, needs to take it 1
match at a time and get super pumped for guys like Sinner. In the 2nd
set he had 0-40 on Sinner and didn't break, then had game points on
serve and lost etc - one of those performances when you're thinking
too far ahead. That was also the case with Medvedev match at USO, in
his mind he was already penciled in to play Novak in the final. He's
gotta be more like Novak, take it 1 match at a time as upsets always
happen.
His variety is a blessing and a curse. I was going to suggest he
narrows down his shot options so they become consistent and big
strengths, but that probably wouldn't work as opponents would work
that out. I guess we just have to take him as he is and expect he can
and will lose these types of matches now and again. Sinner now leads
h2h 4-3.
Alkie is still improving. Shot selection, consistency, head...
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
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the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote> > At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.> No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuminghe's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved. We're talking about the
but IMO is very solvable.
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rassuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved. We're talking
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote> > At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.> No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are
I didn't say Alcaraz isn't talented, definitely he is, but we are seeing him getting stuck in a way that makes us realize he is going to lose the match at the end. He wants to win, he tries everything but you can see that he doesn't know what to do outthere.
but IMO is very solvable.
This assumption is based on what?
We are assuming lots of things about him, our assumptions could end up being fully true or partially true.
He is young, he will get better, but we don't know if he will be able to play different game styles or not (which we assume he would be able to).
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrotethe opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big.Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz,so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big.
Alcaraz, so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like,
while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big.
Alcaraz, so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after
from highlights reel.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles, accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls, which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like, while Alkie's not so much... But that's just
Also, the kid's a choker.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 8:15:23 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved. We're talking
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote> > At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.> No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are
out there.I didn't say Alcaraz isn't talented, definitely he is, but we are seeing him getting stuck in a way that makes us realize he is going to lose the match at the end. He wants to win, he tries everything but you can see that he doesn't know what to do
the other. So it's not as though Sinner has consistently stymied Alcaraz. I also think Alcaraz has the bigger toolkit and more untapped potential. Whether he can draw on that to establish dominance remains to be seen. But if I had to bet on one of thesebut IMO is very solvable.
This assumption is based on what?
We are assuming lots of things about him, our assumptions could end up being fully true or partially true.
He is young, he will get better, but we don't know if he will be able to play different game styles or not (which we assume he would be able to).I've made no assumption. I expressed an opinion based on an assessment. First of all, I'm looking at their h2h, which is basically even. They are 1-1 in slams. Most matches have been close. Neither has put together an extended winning streak against
grif kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 19.10:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On 04/10/2023 16:56, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>>
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big.
Alcaraz, so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after
just from highlights reel.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles, accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls, which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like, while Alkie's not so much... But that's
Also, the kid's a choker.
That's not the only thing that Sinner does that is reminiscent of Djoker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37I6pjQWp8&t=824s
2nd serves... good point. It also looked to me that Sinner was overall very sharp, not his usual self.
Alkie does have a great first serve.
On 04/10/2023 16:56, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him.
Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being
able to play different game style/plan against different opponents)
which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far
playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months
ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him
like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and
his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early
to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just
took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no fluke.
I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so
badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like,
while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
That's not the only thing that Sinner does that is reminiscent of Djoker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37I6pjQWp8&t=824s
On 04/10/2023 17:18, TT wrote:
grif kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 19.10:
On 04/10/2023 16:56, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>>>
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. >>>>>> Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all
(being able to play different game style/plan against different
opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown the
opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including >>>>>> the loss to Medved.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three
months ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking
about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check:
Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's
a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled and
fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner
just took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no
fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches
up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed
Djokovic-like, while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from
highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
That's not the only thing that Sinner does that is reminiscent of Djoker >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37I6pjQWp8&t=824s
2nd serves... good point. It also looked to me that Sinner was overall
very sharp, not his usual self.
Alkie does have a great first serve.
Sinner looks like he enjoys playing Carlos. Carlos however ... https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
“Obviously he also played a great level of tennis, it forced me to
change my game a little bit. I couldn’t do what I always did. I tried to play deeper, but I couldn’t.
...Heh, seems that I noticed correctly that Alkie was hitting it too
short. He does have tendency to junk-ball a lot when not hitting flashy shots. Sinner was in sharp enough form to exploit that.
“I tried to play with another tactic, but it didn’t go well in that part either. This is another thing I’ll have to learn if I want to beat Jannik.”
...And RST got it right here; he has troubles changing his game/plan according to opponent.
grif kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 20.07:> On 04/10/2023 17:18, TT wrote:>> grif kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 19.10:>>> On 04/10/2023 16:56, TT wrote:>>>> Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:>>>>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7,PeteWasLucky wrote>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.>>>>>>>>>>> No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. >>>>>> Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all >>>>>> (
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:19:48 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
“Obviously he also played a great level of tennis, it forced me to change my game a little bit. I couldn’t do what I always did. I tried to play deeper, but I couldn’t.
...Heh, seems that I noticed correctly that Alkie was hitting it too short. He does have tendency to junk-ball a lot when not hitting flashy shots. Sinner was in sharp enough form to exploit that.
“I tried to play with another tactic, but it didn’t go well in that part
either. This is another thing I’ll have to learn if I want to beat Jannik.”
...And RST got it right here; he has troubles changing his game/plan according to opponent.I'm not sure Alkie is doing himself any favors by being so forthcoming in post-match interviews. Why tell Team Sinner you ran out of ideas and got frustrated? It's saying enough that he was outplayed.
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:Not sure I'd say that just yet, but definitely something was going on
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him.
Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being
able to play different game style/plan against different opponents)
which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far
playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months
ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him
like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and
his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early
to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just
took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no fluke.
I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so
badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like,
while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
On 10/4/23 8:56 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of theAt some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him.
Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being
able to play different game style/plan against different opponents)
which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far
playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved. >>
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months
ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him
like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and
his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early
to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just
took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no fluke.
I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so
badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles, accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like, while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.Not sure I'd say that just yet, but definitely something was going on mentally that I had not seen before. He was loudly complaining and gesticulating toward his coaching box, a la Medvedev.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To the average American or Englishman the very name of anarchy causes a shudder, because it invariably conjures up a picture of a land terrorized by low-browed assassins with matted beards, carrying bombs in one hand and mugs of beer in the other. Butas a matter of fact, there is no reason whatever to believe that, if all laws were abolished tomorrow, such swine would survive the day."
--H. L. Mencken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 2:02:19 PM UTC-4, Sawfish wrote:But as a matter of fact, there is no reason whatever to believe that, if all laws were abolished tomorrow, such swine would survive the day."
On 10/4/23 8:56 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:Not sure I'd say that just yet, but definitely something was going on
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>>Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three monthsAt some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him.
Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being >>>>> able to play different game style/plan against different opponents)
which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far
playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved. >>>> We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the
ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him
like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and
his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early
to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just
took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no fluke.
I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so
badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like,
while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
mentally that I had not seen before. He was loudly complaining and
gesticulating toward his coaching box, a la Medvedev.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> "To the average American or Englishman the very name of anarchy causes a shudder, because it invariably conjures up a picture of a land terrorized by low-browed assassins with matted beards, carrying bombs in one hand and mugs of beer in the other.
The frustration is building since he is expected to win and everyone is taking about him already.
--H. L. Mencken
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:19:48 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
“Obviously he also played a great level of tennis, it forced me to change my game a little bit. I couldn’t do what I always did. I tried to
play deeper, but I couldn’t.
...Heh, seems that I noticed correctly that Alkie was hitting it too short. He does have tendency to junk-ball a lot when not hitting flashy shots. Sinner was in sharp enough form to exploit that.
“I tried to play with another tactic, but it didn’t go well in that part
either. This is another thing I’ll have to learn if I want to beat Jannik.”
...And RST got it right here; he has troubles changing his game/plan according to opponent.
I'm not sure Alkie is doing himself any favors by being so forthcoming in post-match interviews. Why tell Team Sinner you ran out of ideas and got frustrated? It's saying enough that he was outplayed.
He isn't revealing secrets when he talks about it in post match interviews, everyone can see it already.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:53:46 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:us. In this case, he did.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:19:48 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
“Obviously he also played a great level of tennis, it forced me to change my game a little bit. I couldn’t do what I always did. I tried to
play deeper, but I couldn’t.
...Heh, seems that I noticed correctly that Alkie was hitting it too short. He does have tendency to junk-ball a lot when not hitting flashy
shots. Sinner was in sharp enough form to exploit that.
“I tried to play with another tactic, but it didn’t go well in that part
either. This is another thing I’ll have to learn if I want to beat Jannik.”
...And RST got it right here; he has troubles changing his game/plan according to opponent.
I'm not sure Alkie is doing himself any favors by being so forthcoming in post-match interviews. Why tell Team Sinner you ran out of ideas and got frustrated? It's saying enough that he was outplayed.
He isn't revealing secrets when he talks about it in post match interviews, everyone can see it already.We can SEE he got outplayed and the tactics he employed didn't work. We can INFER his frustration from behavior during the match. We know nothing further about his thought processes or retrospective view of what the loss *means* to him unless he tells
IMO you should want your opponent to think you can't wait to get on court with him again to show everyone you are the better player when in top form. Any doubts swirling in your head need go no further than your coaching team.
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It'sfrustrating to watch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 11:40:47 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:s frustrating to watch such a talented guy thwart himself by playing like a bonehead. JCF needs to weave a new strategy for him.
Did anyone else watch this China Open match? Can hardly believe Sinner outgunned Alkie again when Djokovic dissects Sinner so easily. Carlos keeps trying to out-bash him with the occasional drop shot thrown in, and loses too many of the exchanges. It'
No. I haven't watched one stick of tennis since the USO. I have no interest in the Asian swing. The only thing I may try and watch some of is the ATP Finals in November.see how I would be interested enough in any of the current younger players. Alcaraz, Sinner, Rune create little appeal for me unless they're playing Nadal, Djokovic or unless it's a slam QF to final match.
Now that Federer has retired, I find my interest level has waned considerably. The only thing that was keeping me watching at times recently was the GOAT race. That's pretty much settled so when Djokovic and Nadal retire for good, it's hard for me to
I can't watch these smaller tournaments. Another thing is, I suspect many of these matches, especially at the smaller tournaments, are fixed. That's the skeptic/realist in me.
In addition, I find the tennis fandom toxic and tiresome. I'm talking about the real loon fans who live through the sport and its players and who bend reality to an insane degree in order to prop up their favorite player when the stats tell the realstory. I can't stand it.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.and fizzled out.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.
Alcaraz, so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after
Sinner is just awful to watch in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best of the younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrotethe opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalledand fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz,so it's no fluke. I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Honestly I see no problem in his comments. Usually confident hard workers behave this way.But he definitely can act like Nadal and say he was injured, or djokovic and say he was in full control of the match.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> Honestly I see no problem in his comments. Usually confident hard workers behave this way.But he definitely can act like Nadal and say he was injured, or djokovic and say he was in full controlof the match.Djokovic's 2006 FO comment is way more interesting than you might realize.He wasn't cocky in a rude way, because if he was, he would have said similar stuff when he met Federer or some other top guys.Remember it's 2006, Nadal is halfway into
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not Novak
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.and fizzled out.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.
the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
On 10/4/23 8:56 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 17.52:Not sure I'd say that just yet, but definitely something was going on mentally that I had not seen before. He was loudly complaining and gesticulating toward his coaching box, a la Medvedev.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him.
Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being
able to play different game style/plan against different opponents)
which we don't know and actually he has shown the opposite so far
playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the
way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months
ago. He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him
like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and
his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early
to talk about him as if his career has stalled and fizzled out.
The Medvedev match may signify nothing. I wouldn't be surprised at
all if Alcaraz wins their next meeting. The pattern win Sinner is
more troubling, but IMO is very solvable. Interesting how Sinner just
took down an in-form Medvedev right after Alcaraz, so it's no fluke.
I suppose it's easy to underrate Sinner because he matches up so
badly against Djokovic, who makes him look ordinary.
Judging by highlights Sinner simply played better... better angles,
accuracy & especially depth. Alcaraz tends to hit many short balls,
which opens the court for Sinner. Sinner's depth seemed Djokovic-like,
while Alkie's not so much... But that's just from highlights reel.
Also, the kid's a choker.
grif kirjoitti 4.10.2023 klo 20.07:
On 04/10/2023 17:18, TT wrote:
Sinner looks like he enjoys playing Carlos. Carlos however ...
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/carlos-alcaraz-honest-confession-jannik-sinner-beaten-china
“Obviously he also played a great level of tennis, it forced me to
change my game a little bit. I couldn’t do what I always did. I tried to play deeper, but I couldn’t.
...Heh, seems that I noticed correctly that Alkie was hitting it too
short. He does have tendency to junk-ball a lot when not hitting flashy shots. Sinner was in sharp enough form to exploit that.
“I tried to play with another tactic, but it didn’t go well in that part either. This is another thing I’ll have to learn if I want to beat Jannik.”
...And RST got it right here; he has troubles changing his game/plan according to opponent.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not Novak
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
>He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalledand fizzled out.
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to >watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.
On 5/10/2023 10:30 am, Court_1 wrote:> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote>>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.>>>>>No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown the
On 5/10/2023 10:30 am, Court_1 wrote:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
Novak Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
Yes, it's amazing how truly crazy many fans are. PWL in rst is probablyand fizzled out.
the craziest tennis fan I've ever seen anywhere. eg one of his best is
he says Federer and Djokovic are not rivals as they played in 'different eras', yet they played each other for 15 years in a row and met an astonishing 50 times, final result 27-23 to Novak, very close to being
dead even. Each guy beat the other at all 4 slams and both were ranked
in the top 3 pretty much the whole time. This is arguably the best
rivalry in tennis history, yet PWL says it doesn't count as they were 'different eras'. I wouldn't have the balls to make claims like that
lol, so he must really believe it. That level of delusion is hard to believe, but there it is. If you asked him now he'd probably still hold
the same line. PWL is a true gift for people like me : )
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to >watch a very good or perhaps future great player
He's ahead of the curve compared to the big 3. Federer won his 1st slam
at age 22, Carlos has 2 already and has 6 more slams to play before he
hits 22, could have 8 slams v 1 v Federer at same age. Federer had his
1st yr end no.1 ranking in the year he turned 23. Alcaraz could have 5 yr-end no.1 years by the same age 23. Roger had 5 yr end No.1 in his
whole career.
On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 00:30:17 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
Novak Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not
and fizzled out.
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great player
errmm bzzzt at Alcaraz's age, Fed still hadn't won a slam.
On 6/10/2023 2:04 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.> > >> We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.> > There's no "
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
On 5/10/2023 10:30 am, Court_1 wrote:> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote>>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.>>
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has shown
You are really a pussy, running away from threads when you can't answer straight forward replies to statements you made.
Let's bring the questions here so that you can vacate this thread too:
You said this below when you were confronted with serve numbers and stats from Federer/Sampras Wimbledon match:
"You're surprised Sampras' stats were bad in that 1 match in the middle 2.5 year slump where he lost in every tournament? Ok."
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My response was:
He didn't win Wimbledon the year before (2000), and every year before that till 96?
He didn't reach the final of the us open this year as well and the following year and then beat his sister the year after to win his last slam? And he was 29-30 years old btw.
So, how is this considered slump? But guess what, Federer can't be slumping at age 36 and 38 reaching slam finals as well while he was peak? :)
You see the problem here Whisper? :)
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Your rich reply was:
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Yes, you're the problem mixing different eras. Let me ask you a
question - would Sampras have been more motivated if the slam record was say 15?
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I replied and asked again:
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Let's focus first on Sampras slumping when he was working his ass off, making finals in slams. This is what you called slumping, Right?
Is this the definition of slumping?
You said so, not me.
Do you want to take it back?
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Do you want to address this here?
Was Sampras slumping or is it that Federer's serve was more effective based on the stats and rating?
If you choose he was slumping, you need to tell us how a player can be slumping while making slam finals.
You can't seriously be this stupid?
I'm shocked. Do you have a job?
I don't mean to offend you, but your thinking is truly strange. You're arguing Sampras wasn't in a slump the last 2 years of his career? Fuck
me, that's not even up for debate given all the articles and interviews
all over the internet. You must live in some strange world so
completely detached from reality. I'm beginning to think you have an addiction, or at the very least are seriously mentally ill. I probably shouldn't be provoking you like this, it's discrimination and making fun
of the retarded. I think I'll just agree with what you say from now on,
it's not hurting anyone really. Yes Roger is clearly the goat,
Novak/Rafa are just lucky they didn't peak in that glorious 2004-2006 period, they'd have got creamed 61 61 62 every time. Have a nice day mate.
How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic, we are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please.
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How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic, we are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please.
In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.
He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.
How would you asses his year up to that point? Even couple of years before that.
Slump yes or no?
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On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic,we are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please. > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO. Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon. Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1.https://
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
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How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic, we are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please.
In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.
Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.
He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.
Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1. https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/archive/wimbledon/540/2001/draws?round=R32
How would you asses his year up to that point? Even couple of years before that.
Not sure I need to continue here after your lies above but he made the US open final the same year and previous year and won it the following year, he won Wimbledon the previous year and many years before that year.
Slump yes or no?
You tell me.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rwe are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please. > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO. Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon. Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1.https://
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic,
Get help.
Whisper do you see this?
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On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.
He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote: > > > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.> Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.> >*skriptis was talking about Ivanisevic and you are talking about Sampras.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.> Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1. > Again, *skriptis is talking about Ivanisevic and not Sampras.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.
*skriptis was talking about Ivanisevic and you are talking about Sampras.
He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1.
Again, *skriptis is talking about Ivanisevic and not Sampras.
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote: > > > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.> Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.>*skriptis was talking about Ivanisevic and you are talking about Sampras.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.> Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1. > Again, *skriptis is talking about Ivanisevic and not Sampras.
Tnx. I'm exonerated now?
Anyway, my point being, you can't slump more than Ivanišević at the time.
If you lose AO R1 qualifying, and you don't make a single final in 1999, 2000 and 2001 until that Wimbledon with a wild card.
And you don't make even a slam QF between 1998 Wimbledon and 2001 Wimbledon with a wild card.
Is that not a super slump?
Yet he's managed to win it.
Why? Great players can summon their form and repeat some of the best stuff, but it's not guaranteed. They also need luck.
Sampras was sadly done post Wim 2000, or USO 2000 if you like, just as Ivanišević was done after Wimbledon 1998 which he lost.
Both stopped being tour relevant.
Sampras had those two 2 USO runs and nothing else really (at least for his standards) and Ivanišević had even less (even by his standards) until that miracle Wimbledon.
Those runs are not "return to form".
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On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 00:30:17 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote
At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
Novak Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not
and fizzled out.He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great player
errmm bzzzt at Alcaraz's age, Fed still hadn't won a slam.
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too much likehugging a slug.
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great player
I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once his game ripens.
Sinner is just awful to watch in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best of the younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.
I don't find his tennis inspiring (even less so with Rune). This is why I still think Alcaraz is underperforming against him, maybe even hampering himself by raising Sinner's stature in his mind.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
Yes, it's amazing how truly crazy many fans are. PWL in rst is probably
the craziest tennis fan I've ever seen anywhere.
he says Federer and Djokovic are not rivals as they played in 'different eras', yet they played each other for 15 years in a row and met an astonishing 50 times, final result 27-23 to Novak, very close to being
dead even. Each guy beat the other at all 4 slams and both were ranked
in the top 3 pretty much the whole time. This is arguably the best
rivalry in tennis history, yet PWL says it doesn't count as they were 'different eras'. I wouldn't have the balls to make claims like that
lol, so he must really believe it. That level of delusion is hard to believe, but there it is. If you asked him now he'd probably still hold
the same line. PWL is a true gift for people like me : )
and fizzled out.He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has stalled
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to >watch a very good or perhaps future great player
He's ahead of the curve compared to the big 3. Federer won his 1st slam
at age 22, Carlos has 2 already and has 6 more slams to play before he
hits 22, could have 8 slams v 1 v Federer at same age. Federer had his
1st yr end no.1 ranking in the year he turned 23. Alcaraz could have 5 yr-end no.1 years by the same age 23. Roger had 5 yr end No.1 in his
whole career.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:like hugging a slug.
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too much
It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his
I see thanks for the explanation.But wondering what brought Ivanisevic in the thread!Was he replying my post or different post? I thought he was getting in the exchange between me and Whisper.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:27:21 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote: > > > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO.> Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.> > *skriptis was talking about Ivanisevic and you are talking about Sampras.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon.> Why lie
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:like hugging a slug.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too much
family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his
Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and over whata level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.
And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of course.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:much like hugging a slug.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too
family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his
what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and over
it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of course
You said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I took
There's one fanatic on this newsgroup but there are many outside this ng who are deplorable IMO. It's just a real pet peeve of mine when you have all the numbers pointing to one thing unquestionably and yet some will jump through hoops to try and shiftthe goalposts. The psychology of it all is intriguing to me.
Whisper is level-headed on this topic as long as we're not discussing John McEnroe! Then everything crumbles. ;) He was no Djokovic fan and yet the numbers on Djokovic's side are so overwhelming he had to eventually see the light. Wimbledon 2019 shouldhave been that watershed moment for everybody! It doesn't mean I like Djokovic or want to watch YouTube clips of his matches. I will always prefer Federer.
I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that?
Yet you continue to insist I'm claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better.
On 10/5/23 1:32 AM, The Iceberg wrote:shown the opposite so far playing and losing these kind of matches including the loss to Medved.
On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 00:30:17 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:52:56 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote >>>>> At some point he'll really dominate Sinner win maybe 10 in a row.
No one knows for sure, we may end up having Sinner dominating him. Alcaraz is very talented but you are assuming he's got it all (being able to play different game style/plan against different opponents) which we don't know and actually he has
Novak Djokovic, I will reject it, I will argue against it. The only acceptable answer to me is Novak Djokovic. Or you could say, I don't really think it's fair that there is a GOAT at all."(given the past greats and their different playing conditions.)
We're talking about the same player who brushed Medvedev out of the way and went on to beat the so-called GOAT at Wimbledon three months ago.There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
Watch what Gill Gross says here:
https://youtu.be/yvHuvs3bmTA?t=753
He says,
"Do you want one neat statement, I'll give you one neat statement. This is my current stance on GOAT status. To me, the GOAT is either Novak Djokovic or there is no GOAT at all. Those are the two options. If you give me any other name that is not
stalled and fizzled out.
He does say elsewhere in the video however that to figure out the best between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic since they all played at the same time, it's simple. Look at the stats. He's not even a big Djokovic fan.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great player
errmm bzzzt at Alcaraz's age, Fed still hadn't won a slam.Notice how seldom Zverev and Tsitsi come up in these conversations about tennis' future?
3-4 ago they were spotlight performers, especially Tsitsi.
I'm not saying this in comparison to Alcaraz. He has differentiated
himself from guys like that. Sinner has yet to differentiate himself.
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rwe are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please. > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO. Why do you lie? he lost to T martin in R16.> > He was given a wildcard for Wimbledon. Why lie again? Sampras was seeded number 1.https://
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic,
Get help.
Whisper do you see this?
On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 17:37:33 UTC+1, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:55:40 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> >How was he in slump reaching slam finals?Can a player that lose in slam finals be considered in slump?Please stay on topic, we are discussing Sampras in slump for now.Answer please. > > > > In 2001 Ivanišević lost in R1 qualifying at AO. Why do you lie?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:much like hugging a slug.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too
his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean
what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and over
it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I took
I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm claimingFederer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:much like hugging a slug.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too
his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean
over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and
took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I
Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm claiming
Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said a fewposts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to
On Friday, 6 October 2023 at 15:47:30 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
you would say that cos you so obviously now love Djoker.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:much like hugging a slug.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too
his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean
over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and
took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I
Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm claiming
Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said a fewposts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:40:00 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:every bit of empirical evidence saying something different. Bizarre.
That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as
it's a good one IMO.
Yes, it's amazing how truly crazy many fans are. PWL in rst is probably the craziest tennis fan I've ever seen anywhere.He's one of many, sadly. That's why I say the tennis fanatic world is a toxic environment. These are people who have decided that a virtual stranger's professional results are more important than life itself and they cling to certain beliefs despite
times under all sorts of conditions. That's ample evidence to determine who's better.he says Federer and Djokovic are not rivals as they played in 'different eras', yet they played each other for 15 years in a row and met an astonishing 50 times, final result 27-23 to Novak, very close to being dead even. Each guy beat the other at all 4 slams and both were rankedFor some reason he has to try and trick his brain into believing something that's obviously untrue. You've stated the evidence above, i.e. Federer-Djokovic was one of the most prolific match-ups in tennis history. They've played each other 50 freaking
in the top 3 pretty much the whole time. This is arguably the best
rivalry in tennis history, yet PWL says it doesn't count as they were 'different eras'. I wouldn't have the balls to make claims like that
lol, so he must really believe it. That level of delusion is hard to believe, but there it is. If you asked him now he'd probably still hold the same line. PWL is a true gift for people like me : )
stalled and fizzled out.He fails to win the next slam and posters are talking about him like he hasn't accomplished anything big. Reality check: Alcaraz and his "team" have adjustments to make for sure, but it's a little early to talk about him as if his career has
stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to >watch a very good or perhaps future great player
He's ahead of the curve compared to the big 3. Federer won his 1st slamI know but let's see if Alcaraz can win 20 slams. I doubt it. The fact that we've witnessed three great players win 20 plus slams in the same era is not normal.
at age 22, Carlos has 2 already and has 6 more slams to play before he hits 22, could have 8 slams v 1 v Federer at same age. Federer had his
1st yr end no.1 ranking in the year he turned 23. Alcaraz could have 5 yr-end no.1 years by the same age 23. Roger had 5 yr end No.1 in his
whole career.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:20:20 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:> On Friday, 6 October 2023 at 15:47:30 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote: > > For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙> you would say that cos you soobviously now love Djoker.And you know she must have fantasies casting him as a swashbuckling pirate who kidnaps her:She hates this rebel leader of men. Really detests him and tells him so in no uncertain terms. Novak arches his eyebrow and responds with
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but
You said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I tookit further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing. > > > I
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:40:00AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:> > That's it in a nutshell. Everything else we hear from crazy fans is noise. But watch the entire video as > > it's a good one IMO. > Yes, it's amazing how truly crazy many fans are. PWLin rst is probably > the craziest tennis fan I've ever seen anywhere.He's one of many, sadly. That's why I say the tennis fanatic world is a toxic environment. These are people who have decided that a virtual stranger's professional results are more
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rUTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM
claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.> Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same asI have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm
We aren't hearing or feeling enough pain when you acknowledge Djokovic is the one and only one.
Try harder :)
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he hasachieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too much like hugging a slug.It's not
Court_1 Wrote in message:rhas achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels too much like hugging a slug.It's not
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he
What? Really?
Djokovic is the goat, you can't deny it, are you mentally ill, you can't be serious.
Mood stabilizer drugs make miracles, some may have side effects but you should ignore them.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:too much like hugging a slug.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels
mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't
over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and
took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then I
Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm claiming
posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said a few
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others, etc. etc?That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.
HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (punctuated bylamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:20:20 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:informs her she's beautiful when she's angry. Court 1 pivots on her heel and storms away in a huff. Now all she wants is to get far, far away from this coarse rogue as soon as she can, but WAIT!---she suddenly realizes she loves him!
On Friday, 6 October 2023 at 15:47:30 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
you would say that cos you so obviously now love Djoker.And you know she must have fantasies casting him as a swashbuckling pirate who kidnaps her:
She hates this rebel leader of men. Really detests him and tells him so in no uncertain terms. Novak arches his eyebrow and responds with a virile amusement at her furious flashing eyes and torrent of verbal abuse as she demands to be freed. He wryly
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush asidefacts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:too much like hugging a slug.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels
mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't
over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over and
I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But then
claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm
few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said a
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others, etc. etc?
Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one minute of
Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots of otherthings to keep me busy.
My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon after all? Youjust disguise it better.
lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (punctuated by
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush asidefacts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't
I think you need a job or hobby or something. This is September:
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:
I think you need a job or hobby or something. This is September:
Erm, so your point is that you do post more than her?? Nice self own.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> I think you need a job or hobby or something. This is September:Erm, so your point is that you do post more than her?? Nice self own.
Court_1 Wrote in message:raside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
I think you need a job or hobby or something.
This is September:
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You need other things to use against me.
You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a .
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it
t mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn'
and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over
then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But
claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm
few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said a
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others, etc.
of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one minute
You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in picking throughthe minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.
other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots of
You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon after all?
by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (punctuated
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel" over.
So, a person can't be critical of his/her favorite player without other people thinking they are "trashing" the player? That's a fanatic's stance and I want no part of that.what you do is harp on the same stuff over and over as if forever compelled to prove (not sure to whom?) that you are pristinely fair-minded and impartial.
This is like you claiming I say the Beatles were indisputably the greatest band ever and only recorded perfect songs. Pure fantasy on your part, and so is this. I've acknowledged Federer's flaws many times over the years. It's a matter of record. But
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it
doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it
and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove over
then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But
claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm
a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You said
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others, etc.
of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one minute
through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in picking
The GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport talkingabout a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket to delay her
It's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's taking that "old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In any case, that's
other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots of
You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon after all?
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel" over.
Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is at the
You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the very topand shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?
what you do is harp on the same stuff over and over as if forever compelled to prove (not sure to whom?) that you are pristinely fair-minded and impartial.So, a person can't be critical of his/her favorite player without other people thinking they are "trashing" the player? That's a fanatic's stance and I want no part of that.
This is like you claiming I say the Beatles were indisputably the greatest band ever and only recorded perfect songs. Pure fantasy on your part, and so is this. I've acknowledged Federer's flaws many times over the years. It's a matter of record. But
I'm not trying to "prove" anything. I think I am as fair-minded and impartial as a fan can be. That's a given.Djokovic for the most part but effed up the clutch points! That should be open to criticism the way I see it and not treated like he's some kind of quintessential God!
Also, you're claiming I'm "trashing" Federer as if that's something verboten because I'm his fan. He had a five to six year head start on the GOAT race and blew it spectacularly by choking away too many matches where he outplayed the six years younger
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it
doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it
over and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove
then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny and perplexing.And who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?) But
claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'm
said a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
etc. etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others,
minute of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one
through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in picking
about a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket to delay herThe GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport talking
old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In any case, that'sIt's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's taking that "
other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots of
all? You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon after
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel" over.
top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is at the
You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Um....yes I can, actually, because that's what it amounts to.
You don't get to invent your own special rules on the fly. At least not ones that anyone else has to abide by.
and shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the very top
I never intended to "wax poetic" about anything. I acknowledged his achievements are the greatest and that he outperformed his two greatest rivals. Tell me what about that is equivocal? Yes, I said praising him feels like hugging a slug because I findhis character repugnant despite what he's done as a tennis champion. So why in your view do I need to gush over him in order to prove that I *really* mean he's accomplished those things and stands at the top of the heap professionally? That's sheer
I've given credit where credit is due. If you want to go above and beyond that to suck Novak's cock, that's up to you. Maybe you think it tastes just like chicken.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:it feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because
doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it
over and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to prove
But then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny andAnd who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?)
m claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist I'
said a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it. You
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
etc. etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others,
minute of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one
through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in picking
talking about a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket toThe GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport
that " old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In any case,It's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's taking
of other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots
all? You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon after
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
over.Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel"
the top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is at
top and shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Um....yes I can, actually, because that's what it amounts to."That's what it amounts to." Ha, ha, Such a strong and confident statement of Djokovic's superiority! But, it's better than nothing. You'll get there slowly but surely and be a big boy!. ;)
You don't get to invent your own special rules on the fly. At least not ones that anyone else has to abide by.
I'm not inventing anything.
Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the very
find his character repugnant despite what he's done as a tennis champion. So why in your view do I need to gush over him in order to prove that I *really* mean he's accomplished those things and stands at the top of the heap professionally? That's sheerI never intended to "wax poetic" about anything. I acknowledged his achievements are the greatest and that he outperformed his two greatest rivals. Tell me what about that is equivocal? Yes, I said praising him feels like hugging a slug because I
Ha, ha. It's like I'm putting a gun to your head for you to come out with it! It's ok. There are more important things going on in the world. We don't have to argue about pro athletes who are all worth hundreds of millions. I don't like a lot of thingsDjokovic has done over the years either as you know but at the end of the day, who really cares? He hasn't murdered small children as far as we know. As I stated earlier in another post, all of the Big Three have had their moments when their masks
I've given credit where credit is due. If you want to go above and beyond that to suck Novak's cock, that's up to you. Maybe you think it tastes just like chicken.
Again, your fantasy perhaps. Definitely not mine! ;)
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:31:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:because it feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself
it doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs,
prove over and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to
But then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny andAnd who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?)
I'm claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to insist
You said a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it.
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
etc. etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the others,
minute of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend one
through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in picking
talking about a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket toThe GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport
that " old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In any case,It's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's taking
of other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got lots
after all? You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
over.Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel"
the top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is at
top and shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Um....yes I can, actually, because that's what it amounts to."That's what it amounts to." Ha, ha, Such a strong and confident statement of Djokovic's superiority! But, it's better than nothing. You'll get there slowly but surely and be a big boy!. ;)
You don't get to invent your own special rules on the fly. At least not ones that anyone else has to abide by.
I'm not inventing anything.
Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the very
find his character repugnant despite what he's done as a tennis champion. So why in your view do I need to gush over him in order to prove that I *really* mean he's accomplished those things and stands at the top of the heap professionally? That's sheerI never intended to "wax poetic" about anything. I acknowledged his achievements are the greatest and that he outperformed his two greatest rivals. Tell me what about that is equivocal? Yes, I said praising him feels like hugging a slug because I
things Djokovic has done over the years either as you know but at the end of the day, who really cares? He hasn't murdered small children as far as we know. As I stated earlier in another post, all of the Big Three have had their moments when their masksHa, ha. It's like I'm putting a gun to your head for you to come out with it! It's ok. There are more important things going on in the world. We don't have to argue about pro athletes who are all worth hundreds of millions. I don't like a lot of
I agree with all of that. It does seem though that the personas of Federer and Nadal attracted a lot more fans worldwide despite patterns of behavior among them all we can take issue with.
Maybe there's a good reason for that other than his country of origin.
Yes, they are all arrogant in their own ways. I think a super-elite athlete almost *needs* to be in order to maintain that level of self-belief over decades.
Djokovic though, has a lowlife sleaziness I don't see in the others. The petty taunting of crowd members, mocking heavily outmatched opponents, picking the yuckiest entourage one could imagine, etc. I find that harder to look past than the shortcomingsof Federer or Nadal.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
you continuing to post YouTube videos showing Federer's spectacular forehand from 2007?I think you need a job or hobby or something.
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You need other things to use against me.
You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a .
LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did you ever take a break or were
To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.
Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes though. Maybe Federer and Nadal are the real phonies(they're the ones with the gay rumors/leading double lives after all, yes both of them!) We don't know as they're huge business enterprises that arerun to perfection.
It's funny, you used to despise Nadal and over the years with the success of Djokovic, you've eased up on the Nadal hate and focused your ire on Djokovic. When Nadal first appeared on the scene, he annoyed me for being a thorn in Federer's side and forall of the injury BS. I softened on him over the past decade but now I'm back to being annoyed by him. Still with the "injury" crap. Over and over and yet he runs around
like a jackrabbit during the clay season. He never shuts up about it.
Dude, you came in second or third place(for me he's third place behind Djokovic and Federer.) Accept it like a boss!
To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.
You are still talking about number of posts? lol
You would think it was more than obvious. PWL seems to think Fed was a direct rival to Sampras rather than Nadal/Novak. Strange guy.
Court_1 kirjoitti 8.10.2023 klo 3.57:run to perfection.
Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes though. Maybe Federer and Nadal are the real phonies(they're the ones with the gay rumors/leading double lives after all, yes both of them!) We don't know as they're huge business enterprises that are
You must be referring to RST / random tennis fan forums.
for all of the injury BS. I softened on him over the past decade but now I'm back to being annoyed by him. Still with the "injury" crap. Over and over and yet he runs aroundIt's funny, you used to despise Nadal and over the years with the success of Djokovic, you've eased up on the Nadal hate and focused your ire on Djokovic. When Nadal first appeared on the scene, he annoyed me for being a thorn in Federer's side and
like a jackrabbit during the clay season. He never shuts up about it.
Yes, we know he was never injured. Silent bans. All the time.
Great thinking.
Dude, you came in second or third place(for me he's third place behind Djokovic and Federer.) Accept it like a boss!
So you argue that everybody must declare Djokovic now as the GOAT as he
has 2 slams more than Nadal.
Yet you argue that Federer is greater than Nadal while the latter has 2 slams more.
Bias much?
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
you continuing to post YouTube videos showing Federer's spectacular forehand from 2007?I think you need a job or hobby or something.
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You need other things to use against me.
You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a .
LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did you ever take a break or were
To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.You are still talking about number of posts? lol
Seek help lady, although you are beyond repair.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 2:21:03 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
You would think it was more than obvious. PWL seems to think Fed was a direct rival to Sampras rather than Nadal/Novak. Strange guy.Said by a stranger guy.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > OnFriday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:55:06 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:run to perfection.
Court_1 kirjoitti 8.10.2023 klo 3.57:
Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes though. Maybe Federer and Nadal are the real phonies(they're the ones with the gay rumors/leading double lives after all, yes both of them!) We don't know as they're huge business enterprises that are
Woods of tennis rumors. Do you think we really know a thing about these players' private lives?You must be referring to RST / random tennis fan forums.
I'm just saying there have been lots of rumors about both of them since they started playing and since they are multi-million dollar business enterprises their PR teams are very successful at keeping things in check. With Novak, he's got the Tiger
As for where rumors come from, you name it. Social media of course and as I've posted before, we have a good friend who is involved in a sports agency in NY. Lots of talk about all of them. They're not saints.
for all of the injury BS. I softened on him over the past decade but now I'm back to being annoyed by him. Still with the "injury" crap. Over and over and yet he runs aroundIt's funny, you used to despise Nadal and over the years with the success of Djokovic, you've eased up on the Nadal hate and focused your ire on Djokovic. When Nadal first appeared on the scene, he annoyed me for being a thorn in Federer's side and
me immensely about him over the years. Is that ok? Thanks.like a jackrabbit during the clay season. He never shuts up about it.
Yes, we know he was never injured. Silent bans. All the time.
Great thinking.
It's better than your thinking that he's clean as a whistle. I don't buy that for a second but I think they all partake. I've stated that many times so don't come after me and tell me I'm only referring to Nadal. I'm just telling you what has annoyed
So double standards then. Fine.Dude, you came in second or third place(for me he's third place behind Djokovic and Federer.) Accept it like a boss!So you argue that everybody must declare Djokovic now as the GOAT as he
has 2 slams more than Nadal.
Yet you argue that Federer is greater than Nadal while the latter has 2
slams more.
Bias much?
It's not bias as I don't care which one is a little bit greater.
Sometimes killfiles are the best answer.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
Sometimes killfiles are the best answer.
Although it's a bit of a pussy move.
A little like putting your fingers
in your ears and saying "nah nah nah nah" loudly, but it's all an act
because everyone knows some of the sound is getting through.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:58:57 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:because it feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:31:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself
it doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs,
prove over and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to
) But then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny andAnd who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same time?
insist I'm claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to
You said a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it.
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
others, etc. etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the
one minute of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend
picking through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in
talking about a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket toThe GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport
that " old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In any case,It's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's taking
lots of other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got
after all? You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
over.Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "weasel"
at the top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is
very top and shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Um....yes I can, actually, because that's what it amounts to."That's what it amounts to." Ha, ha, Such a strong and confident statement of Djokovic's superiority! But, it's better than nothing. You'll get there slowly but surely and be a big boy!. ;)
You don't get to invent your own special rules on the fly. At least not ones that anyone else has to abide by.
I'm not inventing anything.
Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the
find his character repugnant despite what he's done as a tennis champion. So why in your view do I need to gush over him in order to prove that I *really* mean he's accomplished those things and stands at the top of the heap professionally? That's sheerI never intended to "wax poetic" about anything. I acknowledged his achievements are the greatest and that he outperformed his two greatest rivals. Tell me what about that is equivocal? Yes, I said praising him feels like hugging a slug because I
things Djokovic has done over the years either as you know but at the end of the day, who really cares? He hasn't murdered small children as far as we know. As I stated earlier in another post, all of the Big Three have had their moments when their masksHa, ha. It's like I'm putting a gun to your head for you to come out with it! It's ok. There are more important things going on in the world. We don't have to argue about pro athletes who are all worth hundreds of millions. I don't like a lot of
Connors and continued to not give a f-ck but it's difficult for a top athlete to do that these days with all of the sponsorship money at stake.I agree with all of that. It does seem though that the personas of Federer and Nadal attracted a lot more fans worldwide despite patterns of behavior among them all we can take issue with.Without a doubt.
Maybe there's a good reason for that other than his country of origin.Of course there are reasons for it way beyond the xenophobia victimhood cries of Djokovic, his family, and his many anti-establishment sickening fans. From the beginning, he acted like a jackass in one way or another. He should have just been like
Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:raside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
I think you need a job or hobby or something.
This is September:
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1 | Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx
3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx
4 | Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx
5 | Whisper | 217 | 502,297 | 5 | 7.93% xxxxxx
6 | PeteWasLucky | 205 | 576,119 | 23 | 7.49% xxxxx
7 | TT | 203 | 580,099 | 8 | 7.42% xxxxx
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3 | TT | 129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx
4 | Whisper | 124 | 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx
5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx
6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% xxxxx
7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% xxxxx
8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx
9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx
10 | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx
You need other things to use against me.
You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a reminder.
Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:rFriday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > On
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?
On 9.10.2023 3.27, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> writes:
Sometimes killfiles are the best answer.
Although it's a bit of a pussy move.A surrender monkey move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmMqfQZkxA
A little like putting your fingersBingo.
in your ears and saying "nah nah nah nah" loudly, but it's all an act because everyone knows some of the sound is getting through.
On 9/10/2023 9:11 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4,
Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > > > 2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > 3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper | 217 | 502,I think you need a job or hobby or something. > > > This is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------| > > > 1 |
129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 | 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svansls | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% xxxxxnum| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------| > > > 1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > > 2 | The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | TT |
Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did you ever take a8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > > 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali thing.
Yes like posting green and blue chips, Roddick in steroids, Sampras didn't care to win the FO, etc.
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Yes like posting green and blue chips, Roddick in steroids, Sampras didn't care to win the FO, etc.It's not that he "didn't care", he did, but he cared more about Wimbledon.
And he had to choose.
Modern racquets meant divergence of clay and grass tennis. For the first 20 years...let's look at multiple slam champions?
Wilander, Lendl, Courier, Bruguera, Kafelnikov, Kuerten 14 FO titles, 0 Wim titles.
McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, Sampras, 15 Wim titles, 0 FO titles.
It's obvious neither were successful enough outside of their specialized surface even though many have reached the finals.
The only exception is Agassi with 1 FO and 1 Wim title.
Sampras was a man of his era.
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On 10/10/2023 12:44 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 9/10/2023 9:11 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23AM UTC-4,PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4,
On 9.10.2023 3.27, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> writes:
Sometimes killfiles are the best answer.
Although it's a bit of a pussy move.A surrender monkey move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMmMqfQZkxA
A little like putting your fingersBingo.
in your ears and saying "nah nah nah nah" loudly, but it's all an act because everyone knows some of the sound is getting through.
--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > >
like boasting about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really gay, even a lifelong super-Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 01:57:43 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:because it feels too much like hugging a slug.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:58:57 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:31:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:17:26 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:22:00 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:47:30 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 12:45:44 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:16:32 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:02:17 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:49:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?
I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I won't say it myself
beliefs, it doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as it may be.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions.
But, what we can say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd
prove over and over what a level-headed realist you are--the one adult standing high above a childish rabble.Here you are responding to an argument I never launched. You've become obsessed with this subject and go on preaching runs like this against a "horde" of fanatics who in reality are one person. I get the idea you feel driven to
time?) But then I took it further and said we most definitively can claim that Djokovic is better than Nadal/Federer. We have the records, stats, head to head. Yet, as level-headed as you generally are, you can't even declare that! :) I find it funny andAnd who is your most active ally in this endeavor? A biased fanatic, of courseYou said you couldn't call Djokovic the GOAT. I agreed and said there's definitely an argument to be made that he isn't the GOAT(how can we know for sure when all greats haven't played with the exact same conditions at the same
insist I'm claiming Federer and/or Nadal are better. This tells me you are are way too invested in your view of yourself on the issue.I have acknowledged and declared it on numerous occasions. I said Djokovic won the slam race, has achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces. How much clearer can I be than that? Yet you continue to
You said a few posts ago that you don't want to actually say, "Djokovic is the GOAT" as it makes you feel like you're hugging a slug!" Yet, you can't commit to the lesser option. You clearly still have some cognitive dissonance going on!Saying Djokovic won the slam race, achieved the most, and has the most balanced results across all surfaces is NOT the same as saying he's better than Nadal/Federer! For whatever reason, you're dancing around the issue and you know it.
For the record, I don't think I'm the tennis fan who is too invested here. 😙
others, etc. etc? That's YOUR investment of time, not mine. For me, this stuff a bore because the slam race, fun while it lasted, is over now. I mentioned Djokovic in passing when posting about Alcaraz, and it spurs you into a tirade.Then you need to take another good look at your posts over the past year. Which one of us is getting into endless, drawn-out discussions with PWL over the Big Three, the effects age did or didn't have on Federer's performance vs. the
one minute of my time watching her. I also don't give a rat's ass about the Asian swing(men or women.) Everybody is different.Yes, I invested time trying to reason with PWL but I should have realized it was an impossible task. He's so far up Federer's ass and represents everything that is wrong with fanatics for me.
Also, yes, I"m interested in that topic, i.e. the GOAT race and the stats of the Big Three. It's a lot more interesting to me than watching that bore Swiatek play a match and invest time in that they way you do. I'm not prepared to spend
picking through the minutia of "stats." Comparing weeks at #1 and so on feels to me like a trip to the dentist. Occasionally I'll cite a h2h to make a point or more often to look for trends in what is happening NOW.You mean my craziness in watching CURRENT tennis and discussing that on a tennis forum instead of endlessly rehashing a rapidly passing era? Yes, I admit I am guilty of that. Other than the slam race, I've never been interested much in
talking about a bunch of dullards who wouldn't be recognized by most if they were in a police line-up! Good luck with that! I think most people would choose my discussion of the "rapidly passing era" over how many times Swiatek holds up her racket toThe GOAT race has been the only thing driving tennis for 20 years! That's what has put people in seats in the stadiums, what has determined the tv ratings, and what has dominated media and yet you're trying to drum up excitement for the sport
taking that " old age" discussion PWL likes to die on the sword for and further proving it's fallacious. Also, the "ancient" Nadal is trying to make another come-back. Perhaps the race between Nadal and Djokovic isn't completely over? Who knows? In anyIt's not a rapidly passing anything. You have Djokovic, a 36 year old player still in optimum shape, controlling the show pretty much. Nothing has "passed" until that changes and the younger players can repeatedly beat him in slams. He's
lots of other things to keep me busy.Now that the GOAT race appears to be over(unless Nadal makes a comeback), I have very little interest in the sport except for the biggest events like slams, The ATP Finals. There's no player I care enough about to watch much and I've got
after all? You just disguise it better.My comments were in no way a "tirade." I just find it fascinating that you still can't freely admit Djokovic>Fedal. You continue to dance around it without saying it. Maybe you're not so far away from PWL on the Federer fanatic bandwagon
punctuated by lamenting how much I miss his style) to prove I'm giving "Nole" enough credit? Or maybe I need to wallpaper my bedroom with a panoramic collage of Novak cupping his ear to the crowd from 100 different angles.HERE: Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer. He is GOAT. There, I've made the statement. Does that make you happy? Is it enough to meet your standard, or do I need to be yet more like you and compose lengthy essays trashing Federer (
You have gotten seriously weird on this issue and can't see it.
There you go--trashing Federer? Ha, ha.
weasel" over.Very convenient how you jump on that phrase and imbue it with false meaning while ignoring that I made the explicit statements about Djokovic you previously said I *refused* to make. This is the kind of maneuver you used to call bob a "
at the top of the leader board isn't making a definitive statement about his greatness.Gracchus, please! You just said a few posts up that you didn't want to say Djokovic was this or that as it felt like hugging a slug! The fact that you're spitting out stats like a robot after the fact which half-heartedly indicate Djokovic is
very top and shown he's better/greater? It is what it is unless you too are some kind of closet fanatic?You simply can't say that he has shown he's greater/better than Fedal.
Um....yes I can, actually, because that's what it amounts to."That's what it amounts to." Ha, ha, Such a strong and confident statement of Djokovic's superiority! But, it's better than nothing. You'll get there slowly but surely and be a big boy!. ;)
You don't get to invent your own special rules on the fly. At least not ones that anyone else has to abide by.
I'm not inventing anything.
Everybody can see the difference so don't pretend that you're waxing poetic about Djokovic's greatness. Your gnashing your teeth on every word and I have to ask, why? Who cares that a player we both dislike for the most part has risen to the
I find his character repugnant despite what he's done as a tennis champion. So why in your view do I need to gush over him in order to prove that I *really* mean he's accomplished those things and stands at the top of the heap professionally? That'sI never intended to "wax poetic" about anything. I acknowledged his achievements are the greatest and that he outperformed his two greatest rivals. Tell me what about that is equivocal? Yes, I said praising him feels like hugging a slug because
things Djokovic has done over the years either as you know but at the end of the day, who really cares? He hasn't murdered small children as far as we know. As I stated earlier in another post, all of the Big Three have had their moments when their masksHa, ha. It's like I'm putting a gun to your head for you to come out with it! It's ok. There are more important things going on in the world. We don't have to argue about pro athletes who are all worth hundreds of millions. I don't like a lot of
Connors and continued to not give a f-ck but it's difficult for a top athlete to do that these days with all of the sponsorship money at stake.I agree with all of that. It does seem though that the personas of Federer and Nadal attracted a lot more fans worldwide despite patterns of behavior among them all we can take issue with.Without a doubt.
Maybe there's a good reason for that other than his country of origin.Of course there are reasons for it way beyond the xenophobia victimhood cries of Djokovic, his family, and his many anti-establishment sickening fans. From the beginning, he acted like a jackass in one way or another. He should have just been like
can you tell us what's wrong with being anti-establishment??
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > >
like boasting about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really gay, even a lifelong super-Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes* Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray for you!
Court_1 kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 1.16:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:rit matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST!
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky
wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1
wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4,
PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > On
Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:>
Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at
7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about
it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside facts. What
is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've
said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race
and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important
to you that to label that GOAT, then I don't care either way. I
won't say it myself because it feels too much like hugging a
slug.It's not important to me that you label Djokovic as the GOAT
as I can't say for sure whether he's the GOAT. We don't know how
all the other past greats would have played vs Djokovic in these
modern conditions. But, what we can say without any shadow of a
doubt is that Djokovic has proven that he's better than
Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his tennis style is enjoyable to
watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an arsehole with odd beliefs, it
doesn't mean his family isn't a pack of classless jackals but the
stats clearly show he's separated himself from Nadal/Federer.
There's no sensible argument on Earth that goes against that
reality as annoying as it may be. > > The problem is we've seen
three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the
impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once
you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or
perhaps future great player stumble here and there and not live up
to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's
highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he
could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his
generation once his game ripens.Yes. Who knows. I've given up
trying to predict these things. > > Sinner is just awful to watch
in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best of the
younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.> I don't find his
tennis inspiring (even less so with Rune). This is why I still
think Alcaraz is underperforming against him, maybe even hampering
himself by raising Sinner's stature in his mind.Match-ups are also
unpredictable and often head-scratchers. > > > What? Really? > >
Djokovic is the goat, you can't deny it, are you mentally ill, you
can't be serious. > > Mood stabilizer drugs make miracles, some
may have side effects but you should ignore them.If you could read
the English language(which you clearly can't), you would see I
never said Djokovic is the GOAT. I said he's greater than
Nadal/Federer. There's no sane argument refuting that. The stats
are there for a reason.I'm not the one on this ng all day. That's
you. Try and get a job, hobby, something. The best you can do is
try and infer that I need mood stabilizers(a common misogynistic
insinuation) Too funny. Projection? Do better, old man and have a
nice day. > > > > > > > > > I think you need a job or hobby or
something. > > > This is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with
most messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > >
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------| >>>>> > > > 1 | Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > > >
2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > 3 |
*skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Gracchus
| 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper | 217 |
502,297 | 5 | 7.93% xxxxxx > > > 6 | PeteWasLucky | 205 | 576,119
| 23 | 7.49% xxxxx > > > 7 | TT | 203 | 580,099 | 8 | 7.42% xxxxx
This is August: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** >8 | Court_1 | 146 | 449,529 | 5 | 5.34% xxxx > > > > > >
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------| >>>>> > > > 1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > > 2num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > >
| The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | TT
| 129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 |
304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 |
21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34%
xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% xxxxx
Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 |8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > > 9 |
Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need other
things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali thing. Just
a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag!
You have posted more than me during those cherry-picked months!
You're proving my point! What about the past five years or so? I
didn't post on this ng for years. Did you ever take a break or
were you continuing to post YouTube videos showing Federer's
spectacular forehand from 2007? > > > > To me, it seems like
you're here all day every day. I'm not.> You are still talking
about number of posts? lol > > Seek help lady, although you are
beyond repair.Me? You are the one who posted the most RST posts
for August and September in an effort to try and show that I post
a lot but in both those months, YOU have posted more(not exactly a
successful argument you made, is it!) It seems like you may have
some kind of dementia. You should get it checked out. Also, I
asked you if you've ever taken a break from this place but of
course I didn't receive an answer on this from you. I didn't post
here for years. What about you? To me, it's pretty evident you
live here and don't have much going on outside of obsessing over
Federer.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with
any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the
group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if
it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your
stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do
with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do
with any of the arguments in the ng?
when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she
now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at
Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff like boasting about
how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she
also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the
latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really
gay, even a lifelong super-womaniser like Leonardo di Caprio, but
this is all hidden by manufactured PR agencies!
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes*
Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis
for you!
Not sure if almost a compliment. :)
https://youtu.be/wTSjqwsO1rc?t=59
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:16:33 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > >
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% xxxxx > > > 8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > > 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 |181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag! You have posted more
like boasting about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really gay, even a lifelong super-Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes* Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray for you!You didn't answer the question, again and again, but it's not a surprise. Regarding the insults, I will let it go, we know how moody Karen's act.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 8:06:46 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then I
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 6:16:33 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > >
The problem is we've seen three greatest of all time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great playerstumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his generation once
5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% xxxxx > > > 8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > > 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 |181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali thing. Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag! You have posted more
stuff like boasting about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really gay, even a lifelongSeriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes* Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
Why are you responding to a comment I made to Iceberg? Try and keep up and not confuse things!However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray for you!You didn't answer the question, again and again, but it's not a surprise. Regarding the insults, I will let it go, we know how moody Karen's act.
Sawfish kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 2.23:
On 10/9/23 4:00 PM, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 1.16:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:rit matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST!
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky
wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4,
Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM
UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > >
2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's noOn Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky >>>>>>> wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4,
"so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't
brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with >>>>>>> in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most
by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all
surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then >>>>>>> I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels
too much like hugging a slug.It's not important to me that you
label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's
the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have >>>>>>> played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions. But, what we can
say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven
that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his
tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an
arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his family isn't a
pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's
separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible
argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as
it may be. > > The problem is we've seen three greatest of all
time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be >>>>>>> hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that,
do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great
player stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz
is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful
that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still
get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his
generation once his game ripens.Yes. Who knows. I've given up
trying to predict these things. > > Sinner is just awful to
watch in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best
of the younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.> I don't
find his tennis inspiring (even less so with Rune). This is why
I still think Alcaraz is underperforming against him, maybe even >>>>>>> hampering himself by raising Sinner's stature in his
mind.Match-ups are also unpredictable and often head-scratchers. >>>>>>> > > > What? Really? > > Djokovic is the goat, you can't deny it, >>>>>>> are you mentally ill, you can't be serious. > > Mood stabilizer
drugs make miracles, some may have side effects but you should
ignore them.If you could read the English language(which you
clearly can't), you would see I never said Djokovic is the GOAT. >>>>>>> I said he's greater than Nadal/Federer. There's no sane argument >>>>>>> refuting that. The stats are there for a reason.I'm not the one
on this ng all day. That's you. Try and get a job, hobby,
something. The best you can do is try and infer that I need mood >>>>>>> stabilizers(a common misogynistic insinuation) Too funny.
Projection? Do better, old man and have a nice day. > > > > > >
is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** > >>>>>>> > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > >I think you need a job or hobby or something. > > > This
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper |2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>>> 3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 |1 | Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > >
217 | 502,297 | 5 | 7.93% xxxxxx > > > 6 | PeteWasLucky | 205 |
576,119 | 23 | 7.49% xxxxx > > > 7 | TT | 203 | 580,099 | 8 |
7.42% xxxxx > > > 8 | Court_1 | 146 | 449,529 | 5 | 5.34% xxxx > >>>>>>> > > > > > This is August: > > > > > > ***** Users with most
messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > >
----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
2 | The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | >>>>>>> TT | 129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 | >>>>>>> 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | >>>>>>> 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34%1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > >
xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00%
xxxxx > > > 8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > >>>>>>> > 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10
| Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need
other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali
thing. Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of
a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those
cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the
past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did
you ever take a break or were you continuing to post YouTube
videos showing Federer's spectacular forehand from 2007? > > > > >>>>>>> To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.>
You are still talking about number of posts? lol > > Seek help
lady, although you are beyond repair.Me? You are the one who
posted the most RST posts for August and September in an effort
to try and show that I post a lot but in both those months, YOU
have posted more(not exactly a successful argument you made, is
it!) It seems like you may have some kind of dementia. You
should get it checked out. Also, I asked you if you've ever
taken a break from this place but of course I didn't receive an
answer on this from you. I didn't post here for years. What
about you? To me, it's pretty evident you live here and don't
have much going on outside of obsessing over Federer.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with
any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in
the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or
as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your
stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do
with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to
do with any of the arguments in the ng?
when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much
she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends
at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff like boasting
about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad
boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows
all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor
is really gay, even a lifelong super-womaniser like Leonardo di
Caprio, but this is all hidden by manufactured PR agencies!
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes*
Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis
for you!
Not sure if almost a compliment. :)
https://youtu.be/wTSjqwsO1rc?t=59
I was interested to read that they were all openly gay.
What a surprise it was.
A fact many may have missed at the time.
On 10/10/2023 12:44 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4,
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
On 9/10/2023 9:11 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r>> On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,
Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > > > 2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > 3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper | 217 | 502,I think you need a job or hobby or something. > > > This is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > ----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------| > > > 1 |
129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 | 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00%num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------| > > > 1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > > 2 | The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | TT |
Yes like posting green and blue chips, Roddick in steroids, Sampras didn't care to win the FO, etc.
Federer played in different era to Nadal/Novak so none of his losses
mean anything.
Fed had mono Wimbledon 2008, explains why he lost - meanwhile players
who really had mono had to take at least 6 months off or retire
completely, but Roger gets to final without dropping a set and doesn't
skip a tournament or retire from any match.
Roger is better than Nadal even on clay, just chooses wrong tactics.
Roger beating Sampras at Wimbledon proves he's better, but Fed's losing
h2h to Nadal & Djokovic don't mean he was worse than them.
See what I mean by insane?
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no "so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't brush aside
On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Court_1 Wrote in message:r
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > >
like boasting about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor is really gay, even a lifelong super-Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to do with any of the arguments in the ng?it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how much she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes* Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray for you!
On 10/10/23 12:33 PM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 2.23:
On 10/9/23 4:00 PM, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 1.16:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>> Court_1 Wrote in message:rfor you!
it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! >>>>> when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how muchOn Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky >>>>>>> wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4,
Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM
UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > >>>>>>> > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky >>>>>>> wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, >>>>>>> 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no
"so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't
brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with >>>>>>> in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most >>>>>>> by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all >>>>>>> surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then >>>>>>> I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels >>>>>>> too much like hugging a slug.It's not important to me that you >>>>>>> label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's >>>>>>> the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have >>>>>>> played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions. But, what we can >>>>>>> say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven >>>>>>> that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his
tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an >>>>>>> arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his family isn't a >>>>>>> pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's
separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible
argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as >>>>>>> it may be. > > The problem is we've seen three greatest of all >>>>>>> time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be >>>>>>> hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, >>>>>>> do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great >>>>>>> player stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz >>>>>>> is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful >>>>>>> that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still >>>>>>> get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his
generation once his game ripens.Yes. Who knows. I've given up >>>>>>> trying to predict these things. > > Sinner is just awful to
watch in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best >>>>>>> of the younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.> I don't >>>>>>> find his tennis inspiring (even less so with Rune). This is why >>>>>>> I still think Alcaraz is underperforming against him, maybe even >>>>>>> hampering himself by raising Sinner's stature in his
mind.Match-ups are also unpredictable and often head-scratchers. >>>>>>> > > > What? Really? > > Djokovic is the goat, you can't deny it, >>>>>>> are you mentally ill, you can't be serious. > > Mood stabilizer >>>>>>> drugs make miracles, some may have side effects but you should >>>>>>> ignore them.If you could read the English language(which you
clearly can't), you would see I never said Djokovic is the GOAT. >>>>>>> I said he's greater than Nadal/Federer. There's no sane argument >>>>>>> refuting that. The stats are there for a reason.I'm not the one >>>>>>> on this ng all day. That's you. Try and get a job, hobby,
something. The best you can do is try and infer that I need mood >>>>>>> stabilizers(a common misogynistic insinuation) Too funny.
Projection? Do better, old man and have a nice day. > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > I think you need a job or hobby or something. > > > This >>>>>>> is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** > >>>>>>> > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > >
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper | >>>>>>> 217 | 502,297 | 5 | 7.93% xxxxxx > > > 6 | PeteWasLucky | 205 | >>>>>>> 576,119 | 23 | 7.49% xxxxx > > > 7 | TT | 203 | 580,099 | 8 | >>>>>>> 7.42% xxxxx > > > 8 | Court_1 | 146 | 449,529 | 5 | 5.34% xxxx > >>>>>>> > > > > > This is August: > > > > > > ***** Users with most1 | Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > > >>>>>>> > 2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>>> 3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 |
messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > >>>>>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
xxxxx > > > 8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > >>>>>>> > 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 >>>>>>> | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need >>>>>>> other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>>> 2 | The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | >>>>>>> TT | 129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 | >>>>>>> 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | >>>>>>> 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% >>>>>>> xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00%
thing. Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of >>>>>>> a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those
cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the >>>>>>> past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did >>>>>>> you ever take a break or were you continuing to post YouTube
videos showing Federer's spectacular forehand from 2007? > > > > >>>>>>> To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.> >>>>>>> You are still talking about number of posts? lol > > Seek help >>>>>>> lady, although you are beyond repair.Me? You are the one who
posted the most RST posts for August and September in an effort >>>>>>> to try and show that I post a lot but in both those months, YOU >>>>>>> have posted more(not exactly a successful argument you made, is >>>>>>> it!) It seems like you may have some kind of dementia. You
should get it checked out. Also, I asked you if you've ever
taken a break from this place but of course I didn't receive an >>>>>>> answer on this from you. I didn't post here for years. What
about you? To me, it's pretty evident you live here and don't >>>>>>> have much going on outside of obsessing over Federer.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with >>>>>> any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in >>>>>> the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or >>>>>> as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your >>>>>> stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do >>>>>> with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to >>>>>> do with any of the arguments in the ng?
she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends >>>>> at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff like boasting
about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad >>>>> boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows >>>>> all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor >>>>> is really gay, even a lifelong super-womaniser like Leonardo di
Caprio, but this is all hidden by manufactured PR agencies!
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes*
Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis >>> thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray
Not sure if almost a compliment. :)
https://youtu.be/wTSjqwsO1rc?t=59
I was interested to read that they were all openly gay.
What a surprise it was.
A fact many may have missed at the time.It's a fact that we're all more enlightened now.
On Tuesday, 10 October 2023 at 20:42:32 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/10/23 12:33 PM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 2.23:It's a fact that we're all more enlightened now.
On 10/9/23 4:00 PM, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 10.10.2023 klo 1.16:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:44:46 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, 8 October 2023 at 23:11:47 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>>>> Court_1 Wrote in message:rfor you!
it matters cos Court1 is much cooler than us here who post to RST! >>>>>>> when not posting/obsessively-reading on RST and saying how muchOn Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 12:05:23 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky >>>>>>>>> wrote:> On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-4,
Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:59:53 PM
UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:51 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky >>>>>>>>> wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Wednesday, October 4, >>>>>>>>> 2023 at 7:42:53 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> > There's no
"so-called" about it. We don't have to like him but we can't >>>>>>>>> brush aside facts. What is it that you're having difficulty with >>>>>>>>> in this regard?> I've said before that he has achieved the most >>>>>>>>> by topping the slam race and has the most balanced results all >>>>>>>>> surfaces. If it's important to you that to label that GOAT, then >>>>>>>>> I don't care either way. I won't say it myself because it feels >>>>>>>>> too much like hugging a slug.It's not important to me that you >>>>>>>>> label Djokovic as the GOAT as I can't say for sure whether he's >>>>>>>>> the GOAT. We don't know how all the other past greats would have >>>>>>>>> played vs Djokovic in these modern conditions. But, what we can >>>>>>>>> say without any shadow of a doubt is that Djokovic has proven >>>>>>>>> that he's better than Nadal/Federer. That doesn't mean his
tennis style is enjoyable to watch, it doesn't mean he isn't an >>>>>>>>> arsehole with odd beliefs, it doesn't mean his family isn't a >>>>>>>>> pack of classless jackals but the stats clearly show he's
separated himself from Nadal/Federer. There's no sensible
argument on Earth that goes against that reality as annoying as >>>>>>>>> it may be. > > The problem is we've seen three greatest of all >>>>>>>>> time players play simultaneously and do the impossible. It'll be >>>>>>>>> hard for any player to live up to that. Once you've seen that, >>>>>>>>> do you really want to watch a very good or perhaps future great >>>>>>>>> player stumble here and there and not live up to hype? Alcaraz >>>>>>>>> is never going to be a player like them or it's highly doubtful >>>>>>>>> that he will be.> I don't think so either. But he could still >>>>>>>>> get to double-digit slams and could be the best of his
generation once his game ripens.Yes. Who knows. I've given up >>>>>>>>> trying to predict these things. > > Sinner is just awful to
watch in every way IMO. If that ball-basher is one of the best >>>>>>>>> of the younger generation, God help us. Same for Rune.> I don't >>>>>>>>> find his tennis inspiring (even less so with Rune). This is why >>>>>>>>> I still think Alcaraz is underperforming against him, maybe even >>>>>>>>> hampering himself by raising Sinner's stature in his
mind.Match-ups are also unpredictable and often head-scratchers. >>>>>>>>>>>> What? Really? > > Djokovic is the goat, you can't deny it, >>>>>>>>> are you mentally ill, you can't be serious. > > Mood stabilizer >>>>>>>>> drugs make miracles, some may have side effects but you should >>>>>>>>> ignore them.If you could read the English language(which you >>>>>>>>> clearly can't), you would see I never said Djokovic is the GOAT. >>>>>>>>> I said he's greater than Nadal/Federer. There's no sane argument >>>>>>>>> refuting that. The stats are there for a reason.I'm not the one >>>>>>>>> on this ng all day. That's you. Try and get a job, hobby,
something. The best you can do is try and infer that I need mood >>>>>>>>> stabilizers(a common misogynistic insinuation) Too funny.
Projection? Do better, old man and have a nice day. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you need a job or hobby or something. > > > This
is September: > > > > > > ***** Users with most messages ***** > >>>>>>>>>>> num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > >
----|--------------------|--------|-----------|-----|------------------|
messages ***** > > > num| Name | Nb Msg | size | or. | % > > > >>>>>>>>> ----|----------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|1 | Sawfish | 354 | 1,486,994 | 8 | 12.94% xxxxxxxxxx > > >>>>>>>>>> 2 | The Iceberg | 291 | 1,104,804 | 19 | 10.64% xxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>>>>> 3 | *skriptis | 261 | 742,117 | 37 | 9.54% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | >>>>>>>>> Gracchus | 225 | 665,780 | 8 | 8.22% xxxxxx > > > 5 | Whisper | >>>>>>>>> 217 | 502,297 | 5 | 7.93% xxxxxx > > > 6 | PeteWasLucky | 205 | >>>>>>>>> 576,119 | 23 | 7.49% xxxxx > > > 7 | TT | 203 | 580,099 | 8 | >>>>>>>>> 7.42% xxxxx > > > 8 | Court_1 | 146 | 449,529 | 5 | 5.34% xxxx > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is August: > > > > > > ***** Users with most
cherry-picked months! You're proving my point! What about the >>>>>>>>> past five years or so? I didn't post on this ng for years. Did >>>>>>>>> you ever take a break or were you continuing to post YouTube >>>>>>>>> videos showing Federer's spectacular forehand from 2007? > > > > >>>>>>>>> To me, it seems like you're here all day every day. I'm not.> >>>>>>>>> You are still talking about number of posts? lol > > Seek help >>>>>>>>> lady, although you are beyond repair.Me? You are the one who >>>>>>>>> posted the most RST posts for August and September in an effort >>>>>>>>> to try and show that I post a lot but in both those months, YOU >>>>>>>>> have posted more(not exactly a successful argument you made, is >>>>>>>>> it!) It seems like you may have some kind of dementia. You1 | Sawfish | 182 | 771,948 | 5 | 12.36% xxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>>>>> 2 | The Iceberg | 178 | 665,973 | 9 | 12.09% xxxxxxxxx > > > 3 | >>>>>>>>> TT | 129 | 389,163 | 3 | 8.76% xxxxxxx > > > 4 | Whisper | 124 | >>>>>>>>> 304,322 | 3 | 8.42% xxxxxx > > > 5 | *skriptis | 111 | 383,276 | >>>>>>>>> 21 | 7.54% xxxxxx > > > 6 | bmoore | 108 | 442,993 | 2 | 7.34% >>>>>>>>> xxxxx > > > 7 | Pelle Svanslös | 103 | 287,595 | 20 | 7.00% >>>>>>>>> xxxxx > > > 8 | PeteWasLucky | 88 | 291,199 | 9 | 5.98% xxxx > > >>>>>>>>>> 9 | Kalevi Kolttonen | 85 | 181,172 | 2 | 5.77% xxxx > > > 10 >>>>>>>>> | Court_1 | 72 | 258,301 | 1 | 4.89% xxx > > > > > > You need >>>>>>>>> other things to use against me. > > > You forgot the Bangali >>>>>>>>> thing. Just a . > > > > LOL! You couldn't argue your way out of >>>>>>>>> a paper bag! You have posted more than me during those
should get it checked out. Also, I asked you if you've ever
taken a break from this place but of course I didn't receive an >>>>>>>>> answer on this from you. I didn't post here for years. What
about you? To me, it's pretty evident you live here and don't >>>>>>>>> have much going on outside of obsessing over Federer.
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?
What does "being in rst posting lots of messages" have to do with >>>>>>>> any discussion or argument?
I posted the stats, because you sounded like you rarely post in >>>>>>>> the group and as if posting here is something to be ashamed of or >>>>>>>> as if it's a disease or something.
So I highlighted the fact that you aren't that different in your >>>>>>>> stats compared to mine although I am not sure what this has to do >>>>>>>> with any of the discussions.
Can you tell us what "posting a lot or a little to a ng" has to >>>>>>>> do with any of the arguments in the ng?
she now loves Djoker, she's hanging out with her secretary friends >>>>>>> at Starbucks or Tim Horton's doughnuts doing stuff like boasting >>>>>>> about how Djoker is now the GOAT but how he's a really really bad >>>>>>> boy, she also has a friend who once went to New York and who knows >>>>>>> all the latest gossip about how every single straight famous actor >>>>>>> is really gay, even a lifelong super-womaniser like Leonardo di
Caprio, but this is all hidden by manufactured PR agencies!
Get back into your cage you dumb, illiterate baboon! *rolls eyes*
Who takes any of your ideas seriously?
> However, once in a blue moon you can come up with a cogent tennis >>>>> thought. It must be when the zookeepers give you your enema. Hooray
Not sure if almost a compliment. :)
https://youtu.be/wTSjqwsO1rc?t=59
I was interested to read that they were all openly gay.
What a surprise it was.
A fact many may have missed at the time.
you need to watch the video of Small Town Boy, if that doesn't remind you of Leonardi di Caprio don't know what does <roll eyes>
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