Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical
tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or
Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent Covid vaccines to be made
in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the
world recover from the worst pandemic in a century.

Dr. Karikó, the 13th woman to win the prize, languished for many long
years without funding or a permanent academic position, keeping her
research afloat only by latching on to more senior scientists at the
University of Pennsylvania who let her work with them. Unable to get a
grant, she said she was told she was “not faculty quality” and was
forced to retire from the university a decade ago. She remains only an
adjunct professor there while she pursues plans to start a company with
her daughter, Susan Francia, who has an M.B.A. and was a two-time
Olympic gold medalist in rowing.

The mRNA work was especially frustrating, she said, because it was met
with indifference and a lack of funds. She said she was motivated by
more than not being called a quitter; as the work progressed, she saw
small signs that her project could lead to better vaccines. “You don’t persevere and repeat and repeat just to say, ‘I am not giving up,’” she said.

At first, other scientists were largely uninterested in taking up that
new approach to vaccination. Their paper, published in 2005, was
rejected by the journals Nature and Science, Dr. Weissman said. The
study was eventually accepted by a niche publication called Immunity.

But two biotech companies soon took notice: Moderna, in the United
States, and BioNTech, in Germany, where Dr. Karikó eventually became a
senior vice president. The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines
for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical
trials for years.

Then the coronavirus emerged.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/health/nobel-prize-medicine.html

The vaccines have saved 14-20M lives. Countless covid hospitalisations.
Blessed are experts.

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On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:48:50 AM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical
tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent Covid vaccines to be made
in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the world recover from the worst pandemic in a century.

Dr. Karikó, the 13th woman to win the prize, languished for many long
years without funding or a permanent academic position, keeping her
research afloat only by latching on to more senior scientists at the University of Pennsylvania who let her work with them. Unable to get a grant, she said she was told she was “not faculty quality” and was forced to retire from the university a decade ago. She remains only an adjunct professor there while she pursues plans to start a company with
her daughter, Susan Francia, who has an M.B.A. and was a two-time
Olympic gold medalist in rowing.

The mRNA work was especially frustrating, she said, because it was met
with indifference and a lack of funds. She said she was motivated by
more than not being called a quitter; as the work progressed, she saw
small signs that her project could lead to better vaccines. “You don’t persevere and repeat and repeat just to say, ‘I am not giving up,’” she
said.

At first, other scientists were largely uninterested in taking up that
new approach to vaccination. Their paper, published in 2005, was
rejected by the journals Nature and Science, Dr. Weissman said. The
study was eventually accepted by a niche publication called Immunity.

But two biotech companies soon took notice: Moderna, in the United
States, and BioNTech, in Germany, where Dr. Karikó eventually became a senior vice president. The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines
for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical trials for years.

Then the coronavirus emerged.

Cool.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/health/nobel-prize-medicine.html

The vaccines have saved 14-20M lives. Countless covid hospitalisations. Blessed are experts.

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On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical

trials for years.

And somehow it was magically developed and approved for Covid in six months :)

Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?

The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work validated.

Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karikó and Weissman!

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On 2.10.2023 22.57, PeteWasLucky wrote:

The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical

trials for years.

And somehow it was magically developed and approved for Covid in six months :)

One word. Twump.

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The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical

trials for years.

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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical > trials for years.> And somehow it was magically developed

and approved for Covid in six months :) Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work validated.
Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karik� and Weissman!

I don't want to vote for any of these two.
Biden is almost gone mentally and Trump we know the guy.
I definitely wish for another respectable candidate. I believe we need switch back and forth between the two parties.
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On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:40:07 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical > trials for years.> And somehow it was magically

developed and approved for Covid in six months :) Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work
validated.Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karikó and Weissman!

I don't want to vote for any of these two.
Biden is almost gone mentally and Trump we know the guy.
I definitely wish for another respectable candidate. I believe we need switch back and forth between the two parties.

Has switching back and forth been working out well for the country? The only chance for REAL change is to enable *viable* additional parties or scrap the ones we have now and start over from scratch. I'm not expecting either scenario to unfold anytime
soon.

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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:40:07PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu,

cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical > trials for years.> And somehow it was magically developed and approved for Covid in six months :) Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?
The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work validated.Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karik� and Weissman! > I don't want to vote
for any of these two. > Biden is almost gone mentally and Trump we know the guy. > I definitely wish for another respectable candidate. I believe we need switch back and forth between the two parties. Has switching back and forth been working out well
for the country? The only chance for REAL change is to enable *viable* additional parties or scrap the ones we have now and start over from scratch. I'm not expecting either scenario to unfold anytime soon.

Switching back and forth is the only way to prevent things from deteriorating badly and quickly since we know we aren't going to have additional parties.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

Switching back and forth is the only way to prevent things from
deteriorating badly and quickly since we know we aren't going to have additional parties.

Haven't we been doing that already for a while?

Truman (D)
Eisenhower (R)
Kennedy (D)
Johsnon (D)
Nixon (R)
Ford (R)
Carter (D)
Reagan (R)
Bush (R)
Clinton (D)
Bush (R)
Obama (D)
Trump (R)
Biden (D)

So you'd like the status quo, more or less?

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On 10/2/23 1:40 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical > trials for years.> And somehow it was magically developed

and approved for Covid in six months :) Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work validated.
Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karikó and Weissman!

I don't want to vote for any of these two.
Biden is almost gone mentally and Trump we know the guy.
I definitely wish for another respectable candidate. I believe we need switch back and forth between the two parties.

I think this would work, if there was a bit of integrity at the
leadership level, but I just threw it in some years back.

I have become successfully alienated from our system of government. I am scuttling around in the shadows at the periphery, like a rat.

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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Switching back and forth is the only way to prevent things from> deteriorating badly and quickly since we know we aren't going to have> additional parties.Haven't we been doing that already for a while?

Truman (D)Eisenhower (R)Kennedy (D)Johsnon (D)Nixon (R)Ford (R)Carter (D)Reagan (R)Bush (R)Clinton (D)Bush (R)Obama (D)Trump (R)Biden (D)So you'd like the status quo, more or less?

I wouldn't mind having a DD or RR pattern followed by a party flip as long as the current D or R is doing a good job, but I can't tolerate the current D for a second term.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Switching back and

forth is the only way to prevent things from> deteriorating badly and
quickly since we know we aren't going to have> additional
parties.Haven't we been doing that already for a while?Truman
(D)Eisenhower (R)Kennedy (D)Johsnon (D)Nixon (R)Ford (R)Carter
(D)Reagan (R)Bush (R)Clinton (D)Bush (R)Obama (D)Trump (R)Biden (D)So
you'd like the status quo, more or less?

I wouldn't mind having a DD or RR pattern followed by a party flip as
long as the current D or R is doing a good job, but I can't tolerate
the current D for a second term.

Biden's the best we've had since Clinton, I'd say. I'd rather not have
him for another term due to his age, but if the alternative is Trump or DeSantis, I'd vote Biden in a heartbeat. He should lose Harris
though... yeah maybe it'd be bad optics in the press but it'll pay big dividends in the election booth.

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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>> Switching back and> forth is the only way to prevent things from> deteriorating badly and> quickly since

we know we aren't going to have> additional> parties.Haven't we been doing that already for a while?Truman> (D)Eisenhower (R)Kennedy (D)Johsnon (D)Nixon (R)Ford (R)Carter> (D)Reagan (R)Bush (R)Clinton (D)Bush (R)Obama (D)Trump (R)Biden (D)So> you'd like
the status quo, more or less?>> I wouldn't mind having a DD or RR pattern followed by a party flip as> long as the current D or R is doing a good job, but I can't tolerate> the current D for a second term.Biden's the best we've had since Clinton, I'd say.
I'd rather not havehim for another term due to his age, but if the alternative is Trump orDeSantis, I'd vote Biden in a heartbeat. He should lose Harristhough... yeah maybe it'd be bad optics in the press but it'll pay bigdividends in the election
booth.

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On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 20:37:59 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:48:50 AM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical tweak to messenger RNA, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday. Their work enabled potent Covid vaccines to be made
in less than a year, averting tens of millions of deaths and helping the world recover from the worst pandemic in a century.

Dr. Karikó, the 13th woman to win the prize, languished for many long years without funding or a permanent academic position, keeping her research afloat only by latching on to more senior scientists at the University of Pennsylvania who let her work with them. Unable to get a grant, she said she was told she was “not faculty quality” and was forced to retire from the university a decade ago. She remains only an adjunct professor there while she pursues plans to start a company with her daughter, Susan Francia, who has an M.B.A. and was a two-time
Olympic gold medalist in rowing.

The mRNA work was especially frustrating, she said, because it was met with indifference and a lack of funds. She said she was motivated by
more than not being called a quitter; as the work progressed, she saw small signs that her project could lead to better vaccines. “You don’t persevere and repeat and repeat just to say, ‘I am not giving up,’” she
said.

At first, other scientists were largely uninterested in taking up that
new approach to vaccination. Their paper, published in 2005, was
rejected by the journals Nature and Science, Dr. Weissman said. The
study was eventually accepted by a niche publication called Immunity.

But two biotech companies soon took notice: Moderna, in the United
States, and BioNTech, in Germany, where Dr. Karikó eventually became a senior vice president. The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines
for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical trials for years.

Then the coronavirus emerged.

Cool.

what a surprise, a Marxist backing the biggest state and media oppression of people seen in our lifetimes, concentration camps, fines for going outside your own house, people banned from going to church even, for a virus that 99% always survived without
any treatment, that didn't kill anyone under 55 and a third never had any symptoms of either, then a vax boosters that didn't work, but still you had unvaxed being banned in the USA until May 2023! Amazing. Have you heard this week the CDC admitted they "
left out" vax results for those half-vaxed in 2021 stats cos it might've looked bad for their "pandemic of the unvaccinated" hoax? OHHH and even better the EUSSR and the UN now want a worldwide law to over-ride elected governments health policy! a total
dream for your Marxists, yes?

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On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 21:03:47 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 12:57:41 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

The companies studied the use of mRNA vaccines for flu, cytomegalovirus and other illnesses. None moved out of clinical

trials for years.

And somehow it was magically developed and approved for Covid in six months :)

Not "magically." Wasn't development accelerated by the guy you plan to vote for next year?

The prize is well-deserved for both scientists in this case and it's nice they both lived to see their work validated.

Meanwhile, I received the latest version of this marvelous vaccine just last week. Thank you Karikó and Weissman!

it was so good they had to get worldwide immunity from prosecution! what a scam of a prize LOL

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On Tuesday, 3 October 2023 at 07:00:07 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:>> Switching back and> forth is the only way to prevent things from> deteriorating badly and> quickly since we

know we aren't going to have> additional> parties.Haven't we been doing that already for a while?Truman> (D)Eisenhower (R)Kennedy (D)Johsnon (D)Nixon (R)Ford (R)Carter> (D)Reagan (R)Bush (R)Clinton (D)Bush (R)Obama (D)Trump (R)Biden (D)So> you'd like the
status quo, more or less?>> I wouldn't mind having a DD or RR pattern followed by a party flip as> long as the current D or R is doing a good job, but I can't tolerate> the current D for a second term.Biden's the best we've had since Clinton, I'd say. I'
d rather not havehim for another term due to his age, but if the alternative is Trump orDeSantis, I'd vote Biden in a heartbeat. He should lose Harristhough... yeah maybe it'd be bad optics in the press but it'll pay bigdividends in the election booth.

Thanks for the message. We got it.

yes, jdeluise is going for comedy value and max trolling points. He could've done better by saying "Biden saved us from Trump, the greatest threat we've had to democracy in our lifetime", but a good effort from him.

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