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    From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 14:30:05 2023
    One of the most pronounced trophy positions:

    https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Oct 1 12:28:50 2023
    On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    One of the most pronounced trophy positions:

    https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8


    It was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm up,
    with minimal knee bend.

    Great, easy motion, for sure.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Oct 1 13:19:08 2023
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    One of the most pronounced trophy positions:

    https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8


    It was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm up,
    with minimal knee bend.

    Great, easy motion, for sure.

    he makes it look so easy.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Sun Oct 1 23:59:01 2023
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry
    stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.

    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.
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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Oct 2 03:58:51 2023
    On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry
    stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.

    oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more pronounced.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Oct 2 17:35:28 2023
    On 1.10.2023 21.30, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    One of the most pronounced trophy positions:

    https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8

    Not much tilt in the first few minutes. sawfish would crush those little pwactice thingies. Fed does tilt more as he goes.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Oct 2 07:56:12 2023
    On 10/2/23 3:58 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry
    stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.
    oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more pronounced.

    I remember wondering how close he was to hitting the court with his
    racquet on the drawback loop. As I recall, the racquet head was fairly
    close to the ground. It would never touch, I think; that's just an
    illustrative exaggeration.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Oct 2 07:53:55 2023
    On 10/1/23 8:59 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry
    stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.

    Often, an exaggerated trophy position is the result of a hitch as the
    right toe is brought (dragged?) forward beside the left (RH servers I'm
    talking about. You'll note that Fed does not bring the right foot
    forward in this fashion. It's much more fluid; he transitions thru the
    trophy position very quickly.

    I think this tendency to purposely bring the right foot up to the
    service line, resulting in a hitch, is the result of a high ball toss.
    This hitch is like a second starting point: you come out of the trophy
    position when you *see* that the ball has fallen to optimum position.

    I strongly suspect that this is/was purposely taught by some coaches.

    Opposed to it are the Ivanesevich or Kyrgios motions.

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Oct 2 09:15:48 2023
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:59:06 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.
    --

    Yes, Fed has a great, easy, and effective serve motion. But I think the "trophy position" is a little overplayed as a guideline to a good serve. Ideally, I think the serving arm shoulder should be a little more lower than the trophy position.

    Here is an example of what I mean, from IMO, the most effortless serve motion I've seen:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDdhk0XYKHE

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Mon Oct 2 20:44:08 2023
    Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 8:59:06PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what
    I am talking about.> -- Yes, Fed has a great, easy, and effective serve motion. But I think the "trophy position" is a little overplayed as a guideline to a good serve. Ideally, I think the serving arm shoulder should be a little more lower than the
    trophy position.Here is an example of what I mean, from IMO, the most effortless serve motion I've seen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDdhk0XYKHE

    When you are 6,4 you can cut many corners and still hit good serves. His serve is pure topspin serve without worrying about the ball hitting the net due to his height.

    Zverev can take a note from Stich to fix his double faults disasterfull serving.
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Oct 3 18:30:44 2023
    On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry
    stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.

    oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more pronounced.


    Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only
    equal at best. Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient.
    He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Oct 3 13:14:08 2023
    On 3.10.2023 10.30, Whisper wrote:
    On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On
    10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced
    trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It
    was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm
    up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he
    makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk
    about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very
    pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.

    oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even
    more pronounced.


    Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only
    equal at best.  Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient.
    He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.

    Both had platform stances, legworks are similar. Sampras might of had
    more tilt, not sure. Perhaps rotated more. Starting from the hips up to shoulders.

    What Fed does with his body up to the trophy "position" is delightfully straightforward. Just bend the knees and toss/tilt. Not really that much rotation of shoulders/hips. None of that Djok type excessive arching
    either. An easy motion. Consequently, has had few back/arm issues. A
    blueprint for every player, from beginner to pro.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Oct 3 09:24:42 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM,
    PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he
    makes it look so easy.>> Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.> > oh know what you mean,
    it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more pronounced.Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only equal at best. Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient. He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in
    Sampras.

    Surprise

    Service Stats RF PS
    Serve Rating 307 299
    Aces 25 26
    Double Faults 6 9
    1st Serve 62%(113/181). 70%(132/189)
    1st Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) 77% (101/132)
    2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68) 46% (26/57)

    Courtesy link https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/match-stats/archive/2001/540/ms008


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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 06:19:51 2023
    On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 3.10.2023 10.30, Whisper wrote:
    On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On
    10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced >>>> trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It
    was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm
    up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he
    makes it look so easy.
    Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk
    about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very
    pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.

    oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even
    more pronounced.


    Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only equal at best. Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient.
    He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.
    Both had platform stances, legworks are similar. Sampras might of had
    more tilt, not sure. Perhaps rotated more. Starting from the hips up to shoulders.

    What Fed does with his body up to the trophy "position" is delightfully straightforward. Just bend the knees and toss/tilt. Not really that much rotation of shoulders/hips. None of that Djok type excessive arching
    either. An easy motion. Consequently, has had few back/arm issues. A blueprint for every player, from beginner to pro.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    It's funny even this was fed relaxed half ass warm up session.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 03:02:25 2023
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Oct 3 12:37:31 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/10/2023 12:24 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:> On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in
    message:r>>> On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the
    ealry stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.>> Yes he does, but I was pointing to what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very
    pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.> > oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more pronounced.Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only equal at best. Fed's
    has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient. He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.> > Surprise> > Service Stats RF PS> Serve Rating 307 299> Aces 25 26> Double Faults 6 9> 1st Serve 62%(113/181). 70%(132/189)> 1st
    Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) 77% (101/132)> 2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68) 46% (26/57)> > Courtesy link> https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/match-stats/archive/2001/540/ms008> > You're surprised Sampras' stats were bad in that 1 match in the middle
    2.5 year slump where he lost in every tournament? Ok.

    He didn't win Wimbledon the year before (2000), and every year before that till 96?
    He didn't reach the final of the us open this year as well and the following year and then beat his sister the year after to win his last slam? And he was 29-30 years old btw.

    So, how is this considered slump? But guess what, Federer can't be slumping at age 36 and 38 reaching slam finals as well while he was peak? :)

    You see the problem here Whisper? :)



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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 15:08:38 2023
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Wed Oct 4 01:10:12 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/10/2023 3:37 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 4/10/2023 12:24 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:> On Monday, 2
    October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy
    positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.>> Yes he does, but I was pointing to
    what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.> > oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more
    pronounced.Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only equal at best. Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient. He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.> > Surprise> > Service Stats RF PS>
    Serve Rating 307 299> Aces 25 26> Double Faults 6 9> 1st Serve 62%(113/181). 70%(132/189)> 1st Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) 77% (101/132)> 2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68) 46% (26/57)> > Courtesy link> https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/match-
    stats/archive/2001/540/ms008> > You're surprised Sampras' stats were bad in that 1 match in the middle 2.5 year slump where he lost in every tournament? Ok.> > He didn't win Wimbledon the year before (2000), and every year before that till 96?> He didn'
    t reach the final of the us open this year as well and the following year and then beat his sister the year after to win his last slam? And he was 29-30 years old btw.> > So, how is this considered slump? But guess what, Federer can't be slumping at age
    36 and 38 reaching slam finals as well while he was peak? :)> > You see the problem here Whisper? :)> > > Yes, you're the problem mixing different eras. Let me ask you a question - would Sampras have been more motivated if the slam record was say 15?

    Let's focus first on Sampras slumping when he was working his ass off, making finals in slams. This is what you called slumping, Right?
    Is this the definition of slumping?
    You said so, not me.
    Do you want to take it back?


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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Wed Oct 4 06:47:04 2023
    On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 9:29:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 4/10/2023 4:10 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/10/2023 3:37 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 4/10/2023 12:24 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 2/10/2023 9:58 pm, The Iceberg wrote:> On Monday, 2
    October 2023 at 04:59:06 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 20:28:53 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:> On 10/1/23 11:30 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > One of the most pronounced trophy
    positions: > > > > https://youtu.be/QI5adGG6RA8 > > > >> It was really interesting to see him in the ealry stages of the warm up, > with minimal knee bend. > > Great, easy motion, for sure. he makes it look so easy.>> Yes he does, but I was pointing to
    what many tennis analysts talk about during serving which is called the trophy position. It's very pronounced in his service motion if you know what I am talking about.> > oh know what you mean, it a good trophy position but Sampras was even more
    pronounced.Sampras' position was technically perfect, you couldn't better it only equal at best. Fed's has too many moving parts, whippy, inefficient. He's like the bizarrio superman v the real deal in Sampras.> > Surprise> > Service Stats RF PS> Serve
    Rating 307 299> Aces 25 26> Double Faults 6 9> 1st Serve 62%(113/181). 70%(132/189)> 1st Serve Points Won 82% (93/113) 77% (101/132)> 2nd Serve Points Won 51% (35/68) 46% (26/57)> > Courtesy link> https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/match-stats/archive/
    2001/540/ms008> > You're surprised Sampras' stats were bad in that 1 match in the middle 2.5 year slump where he lost in every tournament? Ok.> > He didn't win Wimbledon the year before (2000), and every year before that till 96?> He didn't reach the
    final of the us open this year as well and the following year and then beat his sister the year after to win his last slam? And he was 29-30 years old btw.> > So, how is this considered slump? But guess what, Federer can't be slumping at age 36 and 38
    reaching slam finals as well while he was peak? :)> > You see the problem here Whisper? :)> > > Yes, you're the problem mixing different eras. Let me ask you a question - would Sampras have been more motivated if the slam record was say 15?

    Let's focus first on Sampras slumping when he was working his ass off, making finals in slams. This is what you called slumping, Right?
    Is this the definition of slumping?
    You said so, not me.
    Do you want to take it back?


    Grow up. You're such a child.

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