https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Ok. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> writes:
I'm not sure how far back you are going in assessing "modern" TV. I
never watched "Buffy." Some of Whedon's other work I like a lot, such
as "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Shows like "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men"
could be classified as modern. IMO the quality stayed very high
throughout their run. I still love the classics and like newer shows
too. But obviously they have become fewer and further between since
the woke era started.
I recently "rewatched" Buffy (more like we had it on in the
background). Well, I'd say it could be considered "woke" for a number
of reasons, with some notable exceptions.
I noticed there was a new warning before one of the episodes, a
"sensitivity warning" about the episode's depiction of native
americans. The storyline featured the revenging spirit of a native
american tribe during Thanksgiving. The depiction was pretty
ridiculously stereotyped, I'd agree, but still I was surprised they
actually put a warning on it (long after the fact of course).
Especially for a show that's at least outwardly in the horror genre
and is filled with (pretty tame) death and destruction.
I'm not sure how far back you are going in assessing "modern" TV. I
never watched "Buffy." Some of Whedon's other work I like a lot, such
as "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Shows like "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men"
could be classified as modern. IMO the quality stayed very high
throughout their run. I still love the classics and like newer shows
too. But obviously they have become fewer and further between since
the woke era started.
jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> writes:
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> writes:
I'm not sure how far back you are going in assessing "modern" TV. I
never watched "Buffy." Some of Whedon's other work I like a lot, such
as "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Shows like "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men"
could be classified as modern. IMO the quality stayed very high
throughout their run. I still love the classics and like newer shows
too. But obviously they have become fewer and further between since
the woke era started.
I recently "rewatched" Buffy (more like we had it on in the
background). Well, I'd say it could be considered "woke" for a number
of reasons, with some notable exceptions.
I noticed there was a new warning before one of the episodes, a "sensitivity warning" about the episode's depiction of native
americans. The storyline featured the revenging spirit of a native american tribe during Thanksgiving. The depiction was pretty
ridiculously stereotyped, I'd agree, but still I was surprised they actually put a warning on it (long after the fact of course).
Especially for a show that's at least outwardly in the horror genre
and is filled with (pretty tame) death and destruction.
Actually, I am a little surprised they didn't have a warning that
Joss was a big meany on set and has been canceled.
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Ok. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Ok. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> writes:
I'm not sure how far back you are going in assessing "modern" TV. II recently "rewatched" Buffy (more like we had it on in the background). Well, I'd say it could be considered "woke" for a number of reasons,
never watched "Buffy." Some of Whedon's other work I like a lot, such
as "Firefly" and "Dollhouse." Shows like "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men"
could be classified as modern. IMO the quality stayed very high
throughout their run. I still love the classics and like newer shows
too. But obviously they have become fewer and further between since
the woke era started.
with some notable exceptions.
I noticed there was a new warning before one of the episodes, a
"sensitivity warning" about the episode's depiction of native americans.
The storyline featured the revenging spirit of a native american tribe
during Thanksgiving. The depiction was pretty ridiculously stereotyped,
I'd agree, but still I was surprised they actually put a warning on it
(long after the fact of course). Especially for a show that's at least outwardly in the horror genre and is filled with (pretty tame) death and destruction.
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Ok. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
🙄
On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Ok. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure. >>
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
🙄
Deadwood?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure. >>>>
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure. >>>>>
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it. >>>> 🙄
Fuckin' A...
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). >>>>>> Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of >>>>>> it.
"cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows
that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Pushing Daisies
Six Feet Under
Schitt's Creek
Firefly
Barry
The Shield
The Good Place
The Americans
Deadwood
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Battlestar Galactica
Community
Fleabag
Lost
Twin Peaks
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it. >>>> 🙄
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Six Feet Under
The Americans
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Twin Peaks
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it. >>>>>> 🙄
Fuckin' A...
Six Feet Under
You should watch it. It's an excellent show. One of my faves for sure.
The Americans
It was fantastic for the first four seasons and then it became ridiculous for the last two seasons and I stopped watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
So funny.
Twin Peaks
The original Twin Peaks tv series was fun.
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 22.29:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it. >>>>>> 🙄
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Pushing Daisies
Six Feet Under
Schitt's Creek
Firefly
Barry
The Shield
The Good Place
The Americans
Deadwood
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Battlestar Galactica
Community
Fleabag
Lost
Twin Peaks
Oh no, it's the Battlestar Galactica remake. I can see from the pic alone that it's terrible.
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/09/22/battlestar-galactica-1695394547619.jpg
What a bunch of edgy posers. And yes, I'm wearing a suit and a tie in space. lol
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of
On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days
(100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All
of it.
"cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of
shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Pushing Daisies
Six Feet Under
Schitt's Creek
Firefly
Barry
The Shield
The Good Place
The Americans
Deadwood
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Battlestar Galactica
Community
Fleabag
Lost
Twin Peaks
On 27/09/2023 21:39, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses ofOn 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days
(100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All >>>>>>>> of it.
"cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
Fuckin' A...
shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Six Feet Under
You should watch it. It's an excellent show. One of my faves for sure.
The Americans
It was fantastic for the first four seasons and then it became
ridiculous for the last two seasons and I stopped watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
So funny.
Twin Peaks
The original Twin Peaks tv series was fun.
Yeah, I've seen the movie but never got around to watching the show.
On 27/09/2023 21:33, TT wrote:
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 22.29:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses ofOn 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days
(100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All >>>>>>>> of it.
"cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of
shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Pushing Daisies
Six Feet Under
Schitt's Creek
Firefly
Barry
The Shield
The Good Place
The Americans
Deadwood
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Battlestar Galactica
Community
Fleabag
Lost
Twin Peaks
Oh no, it's the Battlestar Galactica remake. I can see from the pic
alone that it's terrible.
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/09/22/battlestar-galactica-1695394547619.jpg
What a bunch of edgy posers. And yes, I'm wearing a suit and a tie in
space. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBTcDF1eVQ
Pog.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents and The Twilight Zone--both great.
Dexter. Good show but it got tiresome towards the end.
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
I despised Johnny Carson. I don't get his appeal at all.
I watched My So Called Life and The Wonder Years back in the day. The Wonder Years in particular was well-done.
Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
ER--LOL, I can't believe I watched that dreck. I could never watch it today.
Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad--I've never watched a minute of any of them despite the furor.
Mad Men--good at first but went downhill.
The X-Files--one of my all time favorite shows.
All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the air today though(sadly.)
Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.
Columbo--terrific.
Hannibal--I tried to watch it but couldn't get into it. Don't like the lead actor.
Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld. I love them both but I know people either love them or hate them.
I Love Lucy. Hard to go wrong with that show.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents and The Twilight Zone--both great.
Dexter. Good show but it got tiresome towards the end.
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
I despised Johnny Carson. I don't get his appeal at all.
I watched My So Called Life and The Wonder Years back in the day. The Wonder Years in particular was well-done.
Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
ER--LOL, I can't believe I watched that dreck. I could never watch it today.
Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad--I've never watched a minute of any of them despite the furor.
Mad Men--good at first but went downhill.
The X-Files--one of my all time favorite shows.
All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the air today though(sadly.)
Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.
Columbo--terrific.
Hannibal--I tried to watch it but couldn't get into it. Don't like the lead actor.
Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld. I love them both but I know people either love them or hate them.
I Love Lucy. Hard to go wrong with that show.
I watched some of Breaking Bad. Good cinematography, passable series.
Big hype.
I think has one of the top spots. But imo it's not something one thinks about longingly few years from now. So it shouldn't be on the list at all.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
I watched some of Breaking Bad. Good cinematography, passable series.
Big hype.
I think has one of the top spots. But imo it's not something one thinks
about longingly few years from now. So it shouldn't be on the list at all.
Yes it should. Because it was great. Sounds like you made your judgement after a handful of episodes, missing the whole arc.
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though (which is different than detective shows.)
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 0.57:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
I watched some of Breaking Bad. Good cinematography, passable series.
Big hype.
I think has one of the top spots. But imo it's not something one thinks >> about longingly few years from now. So it shouldn't be on the list at all.
Yes it should. Because it was great. Sounds like you made your judgement after a handful of episodes, missing the whole arc.
The arc was closing quite slowly... and could see it coming miles away.
I don't think I would have been awed even if looking the entire thing.
For one, the main character didn't intrigue me.
Maybe I'm just too picky.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:10:39 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 0.57:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
I watched some of Breaking Bad. Good cinematography, passable series.Yes it should. Because it was great. Sounds like you made your judgement after a handful of episodes, missing the whole arc.
Big hype.
I think has one of the top spots. But imo it's not something one thinks >>>> about longingly few years from now. So it shouldn't be on the list at all. >>>
The arc was closing quite slowly... and could see it coming miles away.
I don't think I would have been awed even if looking the entire thing.
You figured out all five seasons that fast, hmm? OK. :)
Seinfeld.For one, the main character didn't intrigue me.
Maybe I'm just too picky.
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:Seinfeld.
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:Seinfeld.
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.53:
On 27/09/2023 21:33, TT wrote:
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 22.29:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
Fuckin' A...
Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Pushing Daisies
Six Feet Under
Schitt's Creek
Firefly
Barry
The Shield
The Good Place
The Americans
Deadwood
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Battlestar Galactica
Community
Fleabag
Lost
Twin Peaks
Oh no, it's the Battlestar Galactica remake. I can see from the pic alone that it's terrible.
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/09/22/battlestar-galactica-1695394547619.jpg
What a bunch of edgy posers. And yes, I'm wearing a suit and a tie in space. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBTcDF1eVQ
Pog.
Yeah, looks somewhat promising start. But watched couple more random clips too... these don't seem characters I would get attached to.
Also, Starbuck is now a woman. Edward James Olmos belongs to Miami Vice, not Galactica.
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But it
was still great.
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
Annoyed me too, mainly because the lead was Dennis Franz which was my
least liked character from Hill Street Blues, my all-time favourite
series. It was like much worse version of HSB.
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series but it
was legendary and should be on the list...
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
Ok-ish. Frasier shouldn't be on the list. At least very high.
Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
Top 100? Surely not.
Dana Scully was a walking encyclopedia. Did it empower you?
All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the air today though(sadly.)
Very funny & memorable. Definitely in top 100.
Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.
Columbo--terrific.
Yes. Falk was great.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:47:30 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But it
was still great.
It was. I had a Fonzie t-shirt! :)
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series but it
was legendary and should be on the list...
Dallas? I watched it when I was younger but that's another show I couldn't sit through for a minute today. Tastes sure do change as one ages and matures. Maybe not in your case though? ;)
Top 100? Surely not.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
For what? SATC or Six Feet Under?
Yes. Falk was great.
I saw Peter Falk and his his much younger wife in a restaurant called Dan Tana's in Los Angeles about 35 years ago! I was with my father. Falk looked exactly the same as he did on tv.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:56:20 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:characters I could care about.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
I didn't like it either for some of the same reason I didn't like "Hill Street Blues." Squad rooms full of overlapping dialogue and half-eaten sandwiches. They tried a little too hard to feel authentic and gritty. But most of all, these weren't
Alfred Hitchcock Presents and The Twilight Zone--both great.Yep. Great.
Dexter. Good show but it got tiresome towards the end.
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.Yes, except they went on too many years and weren't so funny by the end.
I despised Johnny Carson. I don't get his appeal at all.He was kind of a knob, wasn't he? I thought he was OK when I was growing up, but when I eventually saw earlier "Tonight Show" eps with Jack Paar, he made Carson look like a lightweight.
I watched My So Called Life and The Wonder Years back in the day. The Wonder Years in particular was well-done.
Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.It was. And final ep was fantastic. Alan Ball of course had to insert his signature gay storylines, but not enough to wreck the quality.
Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad--I've never watched a minute of any of them despite the furor.It's hard to imagine you watching any of them. :) I tired of "Game of Thrones" after a couple seasons. "The Wire" and "Breaking Bad" were first rate IMO.
Mad Men--good at first but went downhill.Yes, it sagged in the last season--and maybe before that. I thought the first 3-4 seasons were brilliant.
The X-Files--one of my all time favorite shows.Umm.....
Norman Lear tried to revive it in a modern setting with Woody Harrelson a few years ago. It was terrible--partly due to an inferior cast and writing; mostly because it was meant for an earlier era. Setting it in the 2020s was weird and jarring.All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the air today though(sadly.)
Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.Well damn it, I'm not going to.
Columbo--terrific.
In its original run, yes. Episodes from the 1980s-90s don't count.
Hannibal--I tried to watch it but couldn't get into it. Don't like the lead actor.
Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld. I love them both but I know people either love them or hate them.Yes, we discussed "Seinfeld" at length once. I hate it. We didn't discuss "Curb Your Enthusiasm." I hate that too.
I Love Lucy. Hard to go wrong with that show.Yep, that and "The Honeymooners" are evergreen.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:Seinfeld.
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainlyI don't even remember a boss.
what kept me watching a few episodes.
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:It paled when one compared it to its source concept: American Graffiti.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would
stand up today?
I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But
it was still great.
Never saw it.NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows
though(which is different than detective shows.)
Annoyed me too, mainly because the lead was Dennis Franz which was my
least liked character from Hill Street Blues, my all-time favourite
series. It was like much worse version of HSB.
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...Ditto.
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series butDitto.
it was legendary and should be on the list.
Agreed.Alfred Hitchcock Presents and The Twilight Zone--both great.
Yes.
Never saw any of them.Dexter. Good show but it got tiresome towards the end.
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
Ok-ish. Frasier shouldn't be on the list. At least very high.
I despised Johnny Carson. I don't get his appeal at all.
Never saw it.
Never saw it.I watched My So Called Life and The Wonder Years back in the day. The
Wonder Years in particular was well-done.
I think they showed "The Wonder Years" here. Made no impression at all.
Did not see it.Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.
Never saw it.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I
don't know if I could sit through it today though.
Top 100? Surely not.
Saw the first few, but lost interest because I could not believe thatER--LOL, I can't believe I watched that dreck. I could never watch it
today.
Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad--I've never watched a minute
of any of them despite the furor.
I watched some of Breaking Bad. Good cinematography, passable series.
Big hype.
I think has one of the top spots. But imo it's not something oneNever saw the rest.
thinks about longingly few years from now. So it shouldn't be on the
list at all.
Never saw it.Mad Men--good at first but went downhill.
Sometimes OK.
The X-Files--one of my all time favorite shows.
Good. Not sure if top 100 though, there was lots of filler material
there.
Dana Scully was a walking encyclopedia. Did it empower you?
All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the
air today though(sadly.)
Very funny & memorable. Definitely in top 100.
Saw neither.Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.
Columbo--terrific.
Yes. Falk was great.
Never saw it.Hannibal--I tried to watch it but couldn't get into it. Don't like
the lead actor.
Never saw it.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Watched it and liked the laughs.and Seinfeld. I love them both but I know people either love them or
hate them.
Seinfeld was watchable. Must be a US thing, wasn't such a huge hit here.
I Love Lucy. Hard to go wrong with that show.
Court_1 kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 2.04:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:47:30 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But it >> was still great.
It was. I had a Fonzie t-shirt! :)
Pics or it didn't happen! :))
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series but it >> was legendary and should be on the list...
Dallas? I watched it when I was younger but that's another show I couldn't sit through for a minute today. Tastes sure do change as one ages and matures. Maybe not in your case though? ;)
Why change excellent taste...
Top 100? Surely not.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
For what? SATC or Six Feet Under?
SATC
Yes. Falk was great.
I saw Peter Falk and his his much younger wife in a restaurant called Dan Tana's in Los Angeles about 35 years ago! I was with my father. Falk looked exactly the same as he did on tv.
Poor guy. I hope he didn't wear the same trench coat too.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
Alfred Hitchcock Presents and The Twilight Zone--both great.
Dexter. Good show but it got tiresome towards the end.
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
I despised Johnny Carson. I don't get his appeal at all.
I watched My So Called Life and The Wonder Years back in the day. The Wonder Years in particular was well-done.
Six Feet Under--I've already commented about it. Fantastic show.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
ER--LOL, I can't believe I watched that dreck. I could never watch it today.
Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad--I've never watched a minute of any of them despite the furor.
Mad Men--good at first but went downhill.
The X-Files--one of my all time favorite shows.
All in the Family. Superb comedy. It wouldn't last two seconds on the air today though(sadly.)
Chernobyl was truly excellent. Everybody should watch it.
Columbo--terrific.
Hannibal--I tried to watch it but couldn't get into it. Don't like the lead actor.
Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld. I love them both but I know people either love them or hate them.
I Love Lucy. Hard to go wrong with that show.
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.33:Seinfeld.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.I meant him:
https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/Gustavo_Fring
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:Seinfeld.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
Me, too.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his unlikely partner/runner.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Seinfeld.
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
Me, too.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his
unlikely partner/runner.
He clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started. Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 17.48:Seinfeld.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly >>>> what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
Me, too.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his
unlikely partner/runner.
He clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started. Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
No worries... watched it with a lady friend and she put me up to speed
what had happened. Ummm...kinda. :))
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 2.04:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:47:30 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But it
was still great.
It was. I had a Fonzie t-shirt! :)
Pics or it didn't happen! :))I wish I still had it. I don't know where it ended up.
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series but it
was legendary and should be on the list...
Dallas? I watched it when I was younger but that's another show I couldn't sit through for a minute today. Tastes sure do change as one ages and matures. Maybe not in your case though? ;)
Why change excellent taste...:)
Top 100? Surely not.
Sex and the City. Yes, I admit I watched it and used to enjoy it. I don't know if I could sit through it today though.
For what? SATC or Six Feet Under?
SATCIt was iconic in certain ways. No doubt about it.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 5:47:30 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 23.56:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-shows
Some comments about the list.
Happy Days was good back in the day but I'm not sure how it would stand up today?
I think its place at 100 is rewarded. Could be higher too.
Certainly legendary at the time. Maybe wouldn't fit modern taste? But it was still great.It was. I had a Fonzie t-shirt! :)
NYPD Blue annoyed me. I don't like most cop-centered shows though(which is different than detective shows.)
Annoyed me too, mainly because the lead was Dennis Franz which was my least liked character from Hill Street Blues, my all-time favourite series. It was like much worse version of HSB.I couldn't stand Dennis Franz either. He looked like a greaseball and acted like he was the only actor to play a cop before.
I didn't like Hill Street Blues either. I just hate the cop mentality centered shows.
Hill Street Blues of course wasn't even on the list...
Neither was btw Dallas. One can be of many opinions on the series but it was legendary and should be on the list...
Dallas? I watched it when I was younger but that's another show I couldn't sit through for a minute today. Tastes sure do change as one ages and matures. Maybe not in your case though? ;)
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
Ok-ish. Frasier shouldn't be on the list. At least very high.Really? I think it should be on the list for sure. I found it funny, well-written, etc., and I find that it stands up well. I caught an episode a few weeks ago as I was flipping through the channels and started watching it. It cracked me up.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Seinfeld.
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
I did. That was all that I saw. I believe I may have made it to episodeHe clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started.Me, too.That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainlyI don't even remember a boss.
what kept me watching a few episodes.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his
unlikely partner/runner.
Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:19:13 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:Jerry Seinfeld.
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 17.48:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love
get that. IMO it just isn't fair to rate a series as "hyped" based on what amounts to a glimpse of the series run grabbed from the middle.That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly >>>> what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
Me, too.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his
unlikely partner/runner.
He clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started. Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
No worries... watched it with a lady friend and she put me up to speed what had happened. Ummm...kinda. :))That is helpful....but of course not the same as watching events and character changes transpire in "real time" over multiple seasons. I've tuned into shows mid-series as well, and sometimes felt similarly put-off and not inclined to watch more, so I
On 9/28/23 7:48 AM, Gracchus wrote:Seinfeld.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love Jerry
I did. That was all that I saw. I believe I may have made it to episodeHe clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started.Me, too.That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly >>>> what kept me watching a few episodes.I don't even remember a boss.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his
unlikely partner/runner.
5 or 6.
The guy I'm objecting to was I believe a former student of his. Up to
the point I quit watching, I can see no reason that the teacher would
have anything to do, at all, with the former student, least of all in a risk-taking illegal venture.
I gave up after the former student showed up and I could see this disconnect.
Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
What did you make of the Sopranos?
I never connected with it, either. Not sure why.
On Thursday, 28 September 2023 at 17:17:39 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:Jerry Seinfeld.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:19:13 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 17.48:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:40:10 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 3:33 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:34 PM UTC-7, TT wrote: >>>> Gracchus kirjoitti 28.9.2023 klo 1.25:
If the main character doesn't pull you into the story within a few episodes, it's not likely to happen. Different shows resonate with different people. I couldn't talk you into liking "Breaking Bad" any more than Court 1 could make me love
get that. IMO it just isn't fair to rate a series as "hyped" based on what amounts to a glimpse of the series run grabbed from the middle.That's about it. His boss was somewhat interesting, and that's mainly
what kept me watching a few episodes.
I don't even remember a boss.
Me, too.
There was the high school chemistry teacher (main character) and his >> unlikely partner/runner.
He clarified and it was a later character. It appears neither of you guys saw how the series started. Sometimes that isn't important. In this case, it is.
No worries... watched it with a lady friend and she put me up to speed what had happened. Ummm...kinda. :))
That is helpful....but of course not the same as watching events and character changes transpire in "real time" over multiple seasons. I've tuned into shows mid-series as well, and sometimes felt similarly put-off and not inclined to watch more, so I
well it usually is eg. saw a bit of the Wire and got bored, but not case with Breaking Bad. Fring was a great bad guy too, as well as Mr.Doorbell :D
Liked Hill St Blues so why on earth that not on the list but NYPD Blue is nuts.
then Fleabag #12!!! What a nice surprise. Especially the 1st season is superb.
Pretty obvious list.
But some surprises: Simpson #2 - this has superb impact to Culture (bigger than Friends?) but #2?
I would put it in the top 2 with GoT.then Fleabag #12!!! What a nice surprise. Especially the 1st season is superb.
My own list would start with Futurama as #1.
On 27/09/2023 21:39, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it. >>>>>>> 🙄
Fuckin' A...
Six Feet Under
You should watch it. It's an excellent show. One of my faves for sure.
The Americans
It was fantastic for the first four seasons and then it became ridiculous for the last two seasons and I stopped watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
So funny.
Twin Peaks
The original Twin Peaks tv series was fun.
Yeah, I've seen the movie but never got around to watching the show.
On 27/09/2023 21:48, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 21:39, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses ofOn 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days
(100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage.
All of it.
"cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?
Fuckin' A...
shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
Six Feet Under
You should watch it. It's an excellent show. One of my faves for sure. >>>
The Americans
It was fantastic for the first four seasons and then it became
ridiculous for the last two seasons and I stopped watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
So funny.
Twin Peaks
The original Twin Peaks tv series was fun.
Yeah, I've seen the movie but never got around to watching the show.
I'm definitely struggling with season 2 after its ninth episode. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-two
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-two
I never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this made thehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:the quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this madehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral, non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
On 10/2/23 8:36 AM, grif wrote:Lynch.
On 27/09/2023 21:48, grif wrote:I never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
On 27/09/2023 21:39, Court_1 wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
On 27/09/2023 17:37, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/27/23 9:08 AM, Gracchus wrote:Looking at that list, and reading the synopses, there are a lot of shows that look like they might catch my fancy if I had time:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/27/23 3:25 AM, grif wrote:
It distinguished itself by setting the record for most uses of "cocksucker" in one season, didn't it?On 26/09/2023 23:18, TT wrote:Deadwood?
grif kirjoitti 27.9.2023 klo 1.01:🙄
https://www.ign.com/articles/best-tv-showsOk. Buffy the vampire slayer (16) is better than Happy Days (100). Sure.
Bullshit list with contemporary bias. Modern TV is garbage. All of it.
Fuckin' A...
Six Feet Under
You should watch it. It's an excellent show. One of my faves for sure. >>>>
The Americans
It was fantastic for the first four seasons and then it became ridiculous for the last two seasons and I stopped watching.
Curb Your Enthusiasm
So funny.
Twin Peaks
The original Twin Peaks tv series was fun.
Yeah, I've seen the movie but never got around to watching the show.
I'm definitely struggling with season 2 after its ninth episode.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-two
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch, and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of unsuspecting people were going to find out about
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:the quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this madehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch, >>>> and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed >>>> it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
indie film "Lost in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
If airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess that would make TP one.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
IMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sitthrough long scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.Ron Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a
Gracchus kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 18.27:through long scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in the background.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit
Ron Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a
Incorrect.
8 The Straight Story (1999) [4]*
7 Blue Velvet (1986) [9]*
7 Lost Highway (1997) [7]*
7 The Elephant Man (1980) [7]*
6 Mulholland Drive (2001) [10]*
6 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992) [never saw it]*
5 Dune [3]*
4 Wild at Heart (1990) [6]*
4 Eraserhead (1977) [5]*
3 Inland Empire (2006) [3]*
I would say that top 4 are "worthwhile". Maybe next two as well.
But yes, I don't like pseudo-intellectual pretentious nonsense. If it
has to be artistic then I often prefer hard core... say Bela Tarr... or
even better films where art serves the story... such as 2001, Repulsion
etc. With Lynch his "art" feels like serving his own ambitions only,
sort of like many of Tarkovsky's films (who made quite gorgeous films really).
I never got into Twin Peaks TV series... watched a bit at the time but I couldn't care less who killed Laura Palmer, while everyone else was
talking about it endlessly.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:the quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this madehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch, >>>> and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed >>>> it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
indie film "Lost in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has anyIf airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess that would make TP one.
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all aboutIMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sitthrough long scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" are master works IMO.
Few directors tap into the language of the unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.I think he does tap into a part if the unconscious, but that much of it
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been aRon Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.
On 10/3/23 8:27 AM, Gracchus wrote:the quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this madehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch, >>>> and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I >>>> kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed >>>> it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
indie film "Lost in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has anyIf airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess that would make TP one.
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all aboutIMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great master >> of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
Fine. Then let's agree on his best stuff. To show my good intent, I'llthrough long scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in the background.
roll over and show my belly first:
Mulholland Drive
...
...
Blue Velvet -- and he was goddamn lucky to have Hopper in there, huh?
That's about it. I personally liked Dune ("flying fat man", indeed...),
it was the reliable Lynch freakshow.
For the others, you got a nekkid Patricia Arquette, and not a lot *over
and above* dwarves and apples.
I'd have to see Elephant Man again to judge what he actually achieved
with it--but the story is incredibly repugnant--and in a way, denatured repugnance forms a good deal of his later work.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit
Ron Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" are master works IMO.The former is quite good, but the latter in mental dynamite if you are
the sort who likes to unraveling the essence from obscure hints.
I am, and so this is one of my favorite movies of all time. Probably
have seen it 5 times and will see it again.
Few directors tap into the language of the unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.I think he does tap into a part if the unconscious, but that much of it
is simply poking around for effect. It might be that Elephant Man is an attempt to extent the effect to an entire theme.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a
It's not a memorable film, except for one scene. Where the character
played by Farnsworth is sitting around that campfire with those young college types, and someone asks him what the worst thing about being old
is, and he answers:
"Remembering being young."
At 76, you do not want to think about that one too long, I assure you...
Gracchus kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 18.27:Curious about why you liked Lost Highway. I *did* like it (saw it maybe
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, buthttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with
Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I
kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch
viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive
actresses.
cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it
became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the
remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this made the quality
very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about.
Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to
television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
If airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess
that would make TP one.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great
master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
IMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is
"all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a
particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING
Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the indie film "Lost in
Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into
"Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?).
Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have
patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit through long scenes of
someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in
the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive"
are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the
unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary
directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average
story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see,
I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a Ron Howard
project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.
Incorrect.
8 The Straight Story (1999)
7 Blue Velvet (1986)
7 Lost Highway (1997)
7 The Elephant Man (1980)
6 Mulholland Drive (2001)
6 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
5 Dune
4 Wild at Heart (1990)
4 Eraserhead (1977)
3 Inland Empire (2006)
I would say that top 4 are "worthwhile". Maybe next two as well.
But yes, I don't like pseudo-intellectual pretentious nonsense. If itI'm unfamiliar with this person...
has to be artistic then I often prefer hard core... say Bela Tarr...
or even better films where art serves the story... such as 2001,
RepulsionNow you're talking, bro!
etc. With Lynch his "art" feels like serving his own ambitions only,Maybe only saw Solaris, which has stuck with me.
sort of like many of Tarkovsky's films (who made quite gorgeous films really).
I never got into Twin Peaks TV series... watched a bit at the time but"Donuts, donuts, donuts..."
I couldn't care less who killed Laura Palmer, while everyone else was
talking about it endlessly.
On 10/3/23 10:22 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 18.27:Curious about why you liked Lost Highway. I *did* like it (saw it maybe
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, buthttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with
Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I >>>>>> kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch
viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive
actresses.
cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it
became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the
remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this made the quality
very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about.
Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to
television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
If airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess
that would make TP one.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great
master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
IMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is
"all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a
particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING
Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the indie film "Lost in
Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into
"Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?).
Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have
patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit through long scenes of
someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in
the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive"
are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the
unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary
directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average
story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see,
I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a Ron Howard
project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.
Incorrect.
8 The Straight Story (1999)
7 Blue Velvet (1986)
7 Lost Highway (1997)
7 The Elephant Man (1980)
6 Mulholland Drive (2001)
6 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
5 Dune
4 Wild at Heart (1990)
4 Eraserhead (1977)
3 Inland Empire (2006)
I would say that top 4 are "worthwhile". Maybe next two as well.
three times--mostly to eyeball the nude Arquette), but I do not expect
others to like it.
Huh. You know, in a way Lynch and Kubrick were similar in that each hadNot quite sure what you mean here.
an intuitive feeling for the "weird" impression that can be made on an audience, and neither was in complete control. Lynch is constantly
amused by this, but I don't see where Kubrick had a single funny bone in
his body.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 11:08:00 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:the quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to last.
On 10/3/23 8:27 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, but cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this madehttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with Lynch, >>>>>> and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I >>>>>> kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch viewed >>>>>> it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive actresses.
indie film "Lost in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has anyIf airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I guess that would make TP one.
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience,
and having them watch it, absorb it.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all aboutIMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great master >>>> of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my
head, The Straight Story.
through long scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running machinery in the background.Fine. Then let's agree on his best stuff. To show my good intent, I'll
roll over and show my belly first:
Mulholland Drive
...
...
Blue Velvet -- and he was goddamn lucky to have Hopper in there, huh?
That's about it. I personally liked Dune ("flying fat man", indeed...),
it was the reliable Lynch freakshow.
For the others, you got a nekkid Patricia Arquette, and not a lot *over
and above* dwarves and apples.
I'd have to see Elephant Man again to judge what he actually achieved
with it--but the story is incredibly repugnant--and in a way, denatured
repugnance forms a good deal of his later work.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in 2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit
Ron Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds worthwhile.The former is quite good, but the latter in mental dynamite if you are
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" are master works IMO.
the sort who likes to unraveling the essence from obscure hints.
I am, and so this is one of my favorite movies of all time. Probably
have seen it 5 times and will see it again.
Few directors tap into the language of the unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.I think he does tap into a part if the unconscious, but that much of it
is simply poking around for effect. It might be that Elephant Man is an
attempt to extent the effect to an entire theme.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying, "see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a
It's not a memorable film, except for one scene. Where the characterLOL. It is a great line, for sure. I didn't remember that.
played by Farnsworth is sitting around that campfire with those young
college types, and someone asks him what the worst thing about being old
is, and he answers:
"Remembering being young."
At 76, you do not want to think about that one too long, I assure you...
Looking at your comments, it seems we aren't at odds so much on his films. Two outstanding ones, a number of somewhat interesting ones, and some throwaways. Other than that, I liked half of "Twin Peaks" and you didn't like it much at all.
Sawfish kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 21.19:
On 10/3/23 10:22 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 18.27:Curious about why you liked Lost Highway. I *did* like it (saw it
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, buthttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with
Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I >>>>>>> kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of
unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch
viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive >>>>>>> actresses.
cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it
became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the
remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this made the
quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're
talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his
films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to
last.
The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any
meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience, >>>>> and having them watch it, absorb it.
If airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I
guess that would make TP one.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about
showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral,
non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great
master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my >>>>> head, The Straight Story.
IMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he
is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a
a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING
Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the indie film "Lost
in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved
into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in
2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no
longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit through long
scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running
machinery in the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive"
are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the
unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary
directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average
story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying,
"see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a Ron
Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds
worthwhile.
Incorrect.
8 The Straight Story (1999)
7 Blue Velvet (1986)
7 Lost Highway (1997)
7 The Elephant Man (1980)
6 Mulholland Drive (2001)
6 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
5 Dune
4 Wild at Heart (1990)
4 Eraserhead (1977)
3 Inland Empire (2006)
I would say that top 4 are "worthwhile". Maybe next two as well.
maybe three times--mostly to eyeball the nude Arquette), but I do not
expect others to like it.
This is what I have previously written about Lost Highway...
Lost Highway (1997)
...Really good and atmospheric Lynch film. The story is rather weird
about a man who wakes up as another man (or same man) and their fates
are somehow connected - I have to admit I did not understand the plot fully... and after some consideration I came to conclusion that the
story actually didn't make sense in end, things didn't really tie up together. Anyway it held my interest and sure got me thinking and
guessing what's happening & was very well filmed and atmospheric... 7/10
Huh. You know, in a way Lynch and Kubrick were similar in that eachNot quite sure what you mean here.
had an intuitive feeling for the "weird" impression that can be made
on an audience, and neither was in complete control. Lynch is
constantly amused by this, but I don't see where Kubrick had a single
funny bone in his body.
On 10/3/23 11:57 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 21.19:
On 10/3/23 10:22 AM, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 3.10.2023 klo 18.27:Curious about why you liked Lost Highway. I *did* like it (saw it
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:18:29 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/2/23 10:24 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 5:59:02 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>
My take is that Lynch didn't want a long series commitment, buthttps://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/david-lynch-twin-peaks-season-twoI never thought much of it. It seemed to me to be a gimmick.
At the time it came out--late 80s?--I was already familiar with >>>>>>>> Lynch,
and knew him to be a quirky auteur, probably not for everyone. So I >>>>>>>> kinda got off on the idea that all of a sudden, a whole lot of >>>>>>>> unsuspecting people were going to find out about Lynch.
https://youtu.be/N755jvOUCNI?t=7
But basically, I believe this is probably pretty much how Lynch >>>>>>>> viewed
it, too: plus a chance to make some money and to meet attractive >>>>>>>> actresses.
cared about the first season of TP and took pride in it. When it >>>>>>> became a surprise success, he lost interest and outsourced the
remainder to Mark Frost and others. Naturally this made the
quality very uneven. I don't get the "gimmick" thing you're
talking about. Seemed to me he merely carried the style of his
films to television, minus the profanity. It just wasn't built to >>>>>>> last.
The "gimmick" was tossing Lynch's (an "auteur", if the term has any >>>>>> meaning) stuff before an uninitiated, undifferentiated mass audience, >>>>>> and having them watch it, absorb it.
If airing a TV show unlike other TV shows is a gimmick, then I
guess that would make TP one.
Lynch is not all about making profound statements. He is all about >>>>>> showing you something familiar, and planting a degree of visceral, >>>>>> non-intellectual discomfort--something kinda creepy. He's a great
master
of this, with the one noted exception I can recall off the top of my >>>>>> head, The Straight Story.
IMO you are describing elements of his style that are only what he
is "all about" in his very worst stuff. Or as one critic said of a
a particular film (probably "Inland Empire"), this is "Lynch DOING
Lynch." Tom DeCillo references this aspect in the indie film "Lost
in Oblivion." Dwarfs and apples.
I thought the first season of TP was quality Lynch that devolved
into "Lynch doing Lynch." I tried to watch the resurrected TP in
2016 (?). Couldn't get through the first episode because I no
longer have patience to look for "Easter eggs" or sit through long
scenes of someone sitting alone in a room with the hum of running
machinery in the background.
On the other hand, films like "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive"
are master works IMO. Few directors tap into the language of the
unconscious so well, and there is nothing haphazard about it.
As for "The Straight Story," this is the inverse of ordinary
directors getting "experimental." To me it feels like an average
story done in an average Hollywood way, as if Lynch was saying,
"see, I can paint by numbers too." Might as well have been a Ron
Howard project. And to think this is the one Lynch film TJT finds
worthwhile.
Incorrect.
8 The Straight Story (1999)
7 Blue Velvet (1986)
7 Lost Highway (1997)
7 The Elephant Man (1980)
6 Mulholland Drive (2001)
6 Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
5 Dune
4 Wild at Heart (1990)
4 Eraserhead (1977)
3 Inland Empire (2006)
I would say that top 4 are "worthwhile". Maybe next two as well.
maybe three times--mostly to eyeball the nude Arquette), but I do not
expect others to like it.
This is what I have previously written about Lost Highway...
Lost Highway (1997)
...Really good and atmospheric Lynch film. The story is rather weird
about a man who wakes up as another man (or same man) and their fates
are somehow connected - I have to admit I did not understand the plot
fully... and after some consideration I came to conclusion that the
story actually didn't make sense in end, things didn't really tie up
together. Anyway it held my interest and sure got me thinking and
Good, TT, but one might question the honesty of the review, since it
makes no positive mention of Arquette's nudity...
:^)
guessing what's happening & was very well filmed and atmospheric... 7/10
Huh. You know, in a way Lynch and Kubrick were similar in that eachNot quite sure what you mean here.
had an intuitive feeling for the "weird" impression that can be made
on an audience, and neither was in complete control. Lynch is
constantly amused by this, but I don't see where Kubrick had a single
funny bone in his body.
I think they had a gut feeling of what might *score* in an emotional,
rather than intellectual, level and found away to include it. It may or
may not fit, but to to them that visceral audience response was paramount.
The rape scene at the beginning of Clockwork Orange, the nudes at the ceremony in Eyes Wide Shut, the entity in the black, steampunk-like
device in Dune, the bug-infested ear on the lawn in Blue Velvet, etc...
https://i.imgur.com/svKGAsb.png
The actress who plays Shelly is extremely attractive. Lynch must have put a specific scene in one of the episodes just so he could kiss her.
I saw "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me" ages ago. I liked it at the time but was aware that it wasn't as well received as the show. I hadn't seen the series back then so wasn't really sure why there was negativity for the film. Coming into the show, Imight have been expecting it to be more like the film. What I was not expecting was it to be a campy soap opera in large parts. They tried for a lot more humour than I was expecting, so much so that I wondered if "Twin Peaks" influenced "Northern
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:18:41 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:might have been expecting it to be more like the film. What I was not expecting was it to be a campy soap opera in large parts. They tried for a lot more humour than I was expecting, so much so that I wondered if "Twin Peaks" influenced "Northern
https://i.imgur.com/svKGAsb.png
The actress who plays Shelly is extremely attractive. Lynch must have put a specific scene in one of the episodes just so he could kiss her.
There were three very pretty women/actresses in that show: Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick. They didn't all age well but they sure were lovely at the time they did that tv show IMO.
I saw "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me" ages ago. I liked it at the time but was aware that it wasn't as well received as the show. I hadn't seen the series back then so wasn't really sure why there was negativity for the film. Coming into the show, I
There's another great tv show---Northern Exposure. I really enjoyed it.
On 06/10/2023 03:14, Court_1 wrote:might have been expecting it to be more like the film. What I was not expecting was it to be a campy soap opera in large parts. They tried for a lot more humour than I was expecting, so much so that I wondered if "Twin Peaks" influenced "Northern
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:18:41 PM UTC-4, grif wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/svKGAsb.png
The actress who plays Shelly is extremely attractive. Lynch must have put a specific scene in one of the episodes just so he could kiss her.
There were three very pretty women/actresses in that show: Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick. They didn't all age well but they sure were lovely at the time they did that tv show IMO.
I saw "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me" ages ago. I liked it at the time but was aware that it wasn't as well received as the show. I hadn't seen the series back then so wasn't really sure why there was negativity for the film. Coming into the show, I
There's another great tv show---Northern Exposure. I really enjoyed it.
Yeah, I was only able to catch random episodes of "Northern Exposure" back then, but liked them a lot when I did.
I should give a shoutout to the late Peggy Lipton for more than holding her own with the younger girls on the show
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/twin-peaks-babes-in-the-woods-229726/
I'm currently watching season 3 of "Twin Peaks" and the quality is a lot more consistent. I think he directed all the episodes so that's probably why. He's really into doppelangers and dwarves.
Yes, I forgot about Peggy Lipton on that show. She was nice- looking too. Boy, David Lynch must have had a literal field day(Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick, Peggy Lipton) if you know what I mean. They're all casting couch participantsin that unsavory entertainment business(men and women.)
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:participants in that unsavory entertainment business(men and women.)
Yes, I forgot about Peggy Lipton on that show. She was nice- looking too. Boy, David Lynch must have had a literal field day(Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick, Peggy Lipton) if you know what I mean. They're all casting couch
Assuming that this was going on during casting of "Twin Peaks" (a giant assumption),
Peggy Lipton wasn't desperate for money after 15 years of marriage to Quincy Jones.
Her "Mod Squad" days are another story. She didn't get that role through her acting skills.
Sherilynn Fenn and Madchen Amick were very attractive. Lara Flynn Boyle not quite as much IMO.
Years after "Twin Peaks" there was an episode of "Psych" with a "Twin Peaks" theme and they got a number of actors from TP to guest. As you've said, those girls didn't age so well. That "Psych" episode was a waste unfortunately. It tried way too hard tobe funny and failed in every way.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:participants in that unsavory entertainment business(men and women.)
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, I forgot about Peggy Lipton on that show. She was nice- looking too. Boy, David Lynch must have had a literal field day(Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick, Peggy Lipton) if you know what I mean. They're all casting couch
small towns, had zero education, were escaping dysfunctional families. They knew what they had to do to "make it." This is common knowledge when you start investigating the history of the entertainment business. Actors/actresses were always akin toAssuming that this was going on during casting of "Twin Peaks" (a giant assumption),
I disagree about it being a "giant" assumption. You don't make it in that business unless you use the casting couch. It shouldn't be looked at like some kind of perfect fantasy world. It's a sleazy business. A lot of these actors/actresses came from
to be funny and failed in every way.Peggy Lipton wasn't desperate for money after 15 years of marriage to Quincy Jones.
You wouldn't think so but who knows. We don't know how much she received from Jones or how she invested her money.
Her "Mod Squad" days are another story. She didn't get that role through her acting skills.For sure.
Sherilynn Fenn and Madchen Amick were very attractive. Lara Flynn Boyle not quite as much IMO.
I think Lara Flynn Boyle was very pretty when she did the tv show, The Practice. She went downhill fast after that though. She had too many cosmetic procedures which ruined her face, she got heavy. She seems off her rocker too.
Years after "Twin Peaks" there was an episode of "Psych" with a "Twin Peaks" theme and they got a number of actors from TP to guest. As you've said, those girls didn't age so well. That "Psych" episode was a waste unfortunately. It tried way too hard
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:participants in that unsavory entertainment business(men and women.)
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, I forgot about Peggy Lipton on that show. She was nice- looking too. Boy, David Lynch must have had a literal field day(Sherilynn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Madchen Amick, Peggy Lipton) if you know what I mean. They're all casting couch
small towns, had zero education, were escaping dysfunctional families. They knew what they had to do to "make it." This is common knowledge when you start investigating the history of the entertainment business. Actors/actresses were always akin toAssuming that this was going on during casting of "Twin Peaks" (a giant assumption),
I disagree about it being a "giant" assumption. You don't make it in that business unless you use the casting couch. It shouldn't be looked at like some kind of perfect fantasy world. It's a sleazy business. A lot of these actors/actresses came from
I don't see it as any fantasy world. I've just never heard anything like that about Lynch and until I do, I've no reason to believe all those actresses had to ride his rod before he'd consider them for the roles.hard to be funny and failed in every way.
Peggy Lipton wasn't desperate for money after 15 years of marriage to Quincy Jones.
You wouldn't think so but who knows. We don't know how much she received from Jones or how she invested her money.
Her "Mod Squad" days are another story. She didn't get that role through her acting skills.For sure.
Sherilynn Fenn and Madchen Amick were very attractive. Lara Flynn Boyle not quite as much IMO.
I think Lara Flynn Boyle was very pretty when she did the tv show, The Practice. She went downhill fast after that though. She had too many cosmetic procedures which ruined her face, she got heavy. She seems off her rocker too.
Years after "Twin Peaks" there was an episode of "Psych" with a "Twin Peaks" theme and they got a number of actors from TP to guest. As you've said, those girls didn't age so well. That "Psych" episode was a waste unfortunately. It tried way too
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
Well that is very different. :) I watched all of "In Treatment" when it was first aired. The first two seasons are high quality and well worth watching IMO. I didn't love the third one so much.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
Well that is very different. :)
I've always liked Gabriel Byrne too. He's good in just about everything.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
Well that is very different. :) I watched all of "In Treatment" when it was first aired. The first two seasons are high quality and well worth watching IMO. I didn't love the third one so much.OK, my blunder this time--I just checked at there were FOUR seasons! It was the last one I didn't like.
A note of trivia: It was adapted from an Israeli series called BeTipul that had a shorter run. I still haven't seen the original.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:11:48 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
Well that is very different. :) I watched all of "In Treatment" when it was first aired. The first two seasons are high quality and well worth watching IMO. I didn't love the third one so much.OK, my blunder this time--I just checked at there were FOUR seasons! It was the last one I didn't like.
A note of trivia: It was adapted from an Israeli series called BeTipul that had a shorter run. I still haven't seen the original.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
I've watched very little in the way of tv shows or movies lately other than some documentaries(MH370: The Plane That Disappeared, Icarus--which is about doping in sports.)
That last tv series I watched that I thought was decent was Love & Death, created by David E. Kelley.
I tried to watch that movie, The Whale which has received glowing reviews. I couldn't get beyond 10 minutes.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 5:23:22 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:few TV series I've liked.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:11:48 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 8:05:04 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 3:23:44 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I never watched Psych even though I've been meaning to for years.
Your priorities have been right on that one. :) It sucks mightily.
Actually, I just looked it up. It wasn't Psych I wanted to watch, it was In Treatment with Gabriel Byrne(love him!) I got mixed up.
Well that is very different. :) I watched all of "In Treatment" when it was first aired. The first two seasons are high quality and well worth watching IMO. I didn't love the third one so much.OK, my blunder this time--I just checked at there were FOUR seasons! It was the last one I didn't like.
A note of trivia: It was adapted from an Israeli series called BeTipul that had a shorter run. I still haven't seen the original.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
I've watched very little in the way of tv shows or movies lately other than some documentaries(MH370: The Plane That Disappeared, Icarus--which is about doping in sports.)
That last tv series I watched that I thought was decent was Love & Death, created by David E. Kelley.Yes, it seems like the best films the last few years have been documentaries. Touted narrative films aren't interesting me. You got further than I did with "The Whale." I had it on deck to watch and couldn't make myself interested enough. I have seen a
I tried to watch that movie, The Whale which has received glowing reviews. I couldn't get beyond 10 minutes.
From the first five minutes, the plot revealed its weaknesses when
Brendan Fraser's character invited a Jehovah's Witness salesman(a
stranger) into his home to read to him. That was number one. Number
two was Brendan Fraser looked absolutely repulsive in this film. I
couldn't look at him for more than 10 minutes. He's an obese, sweaty
mess! He was hyperventilating trying to spit out a sentence. I never
even liked Brendan Fraser as an actor when he was young and in great
shape.
What a dumb, dingy, depressing film.
What tv shows did you watch and like?
Court_1 .com> writes:
From the first five minutes, the plot revealed its weaknesses when
Brendan Fraser's character invited a Jehovah's Witness salesman(a stranger) into his home to read to him. That was number one. Number
two was Brendan Fraser looked absolutely repulsive in this film. I couldn't look at him for more than 10 minutes. He's an obese, sweaty
mess! He was hyperventilating trying to spit out a sentence. I never
even liked Brendan Fraser as an actor when he was young and in great shape.
What a dumb, dingy, depressing film.
What tv shows did you watch and like?
I didn't watch it, but wasn't he "supposed" to look that way? I mean,
it's not like it was just an accident and nobody noticed... right?
Number two was Brendan Fraser looked absolutely repulsive in this film. I couldn't look at him for more than 10 minutes.
I don't know, I"m not a big Brendan Fraser fan
The title--The Whale--kind of gives it away, don't you think?
Court_1 kirjoitti 11.10.2023 klo 7.26:
The title--The Whale--kind of gives it away, don't you think?
Not necessarily... I was excited that the film would be about next
Gordon Gekko.
Seeing the poster I thought now way in hell am I watching that.
Then again it's Aronofsky & A24 film, so could be very good if one
gives it a real chance.
The trailer doesn't make it look very attractive, been there, seen that. https://youtu.be/nWiQodhMvz4?si=6ML0uNcnIPIggZ7M
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:56:20 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Frasier, Cheers. Good comedies.
Yes, except they went on too many years and weren't so funny by the
end.
On 10/11/23 3:11 AM, TT wrote:
Court_1 kirjoitti 11.10.2023 klo 7.26:
The title--The Whale--kind of gives it away, don't you think?
Not necessarily... I was excited that the film would be about next
Gordon Gekko.
Seeing the poster I thought now way in hell am I watching that.
Then again it's Aronofsky & A24 film, so could be very good if one
gives it a real chance.
The trailer doesn't make it look very attractive, been there, seen that.
https://youtu.be/nWiQodhMvz4?si=6ML0uNcnIPIggZ7M
I realize that this is not an airtight analogy, but do you consider A24
to be the inheritor of the role filled by Miramax--that is to say a high level of quality as compared to the other major producers/distributors?
Court_1 kirjoitti 11.10.2023 klo 4.41:
Number two was Brendan Fraser looked absolutely repulsive in this film. I couldn't look at him for more than 10 minutes.
I guessed that it was the main reason. This is how women function.
Points for honesty.
Not that I'm interested in watching it myself either.
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