• Re: OT: TV Show "Columbo"

    From bmoore@21:1/5 to Shakes on Thu Sep 21 15:58:52 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk
    was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 22:44:31 2023
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk
    was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 21 16:31:48 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.

    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and the
    villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full confession
    once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the scenario, and
    viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to bmoore on Thu Sep 21 16:15:20 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Thu Sep 21 19:33:58 2023
    "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic
    (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    Good times, I enjoyed it plus many others.
    We are old :)
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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Thu Sep 21 16:41:09 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/21/23 4:31 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote: >>>> I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed >>>> it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk >>>> was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk
    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.
    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and
    the villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full
    confession once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the
    scenario, and viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

    This implies that much of the difference is in the viewers.

    That's true. I may be speaking for myself in the different view of "Columbo" then versus now.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 21 16:38:00 2023
    On 9/21/23 4:31 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk >>>> was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk
    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.
    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and the
    villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full confession
    once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the scenario, and
    viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

    This implies that much of the difference is in the viewers.

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    "If we use Occam's Razor, whose razor will *he* use?" --Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 21 18:44:34 2023
    On 9/21/2023 6:15 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk
    was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.

    Columbo was an awesome show! Amazing how the viewer knew the actual
    villain within the first two minutes and yet the suspense was incredible
    until Detective Columbo finally presented his findings to the villain.
    No other show, that I am aware of, did that back then (and usually to
    this day). Superb television!
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    Scall5

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 21 18:53:19 2023
    On 9/21/2023 6:41 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/21/23 4:31 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote: >>>>>> I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed >>>>>> it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk >>>>>> was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk
    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.
    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and
    the villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full
    confession once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the
    scenario, and viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

    This implies that much of the difference is in the viewers.

    That's true. I may be speaking for myself in the different view of "Columbo" then versus now.

    I have enjoyed Law and Order (original series only) a lot over the
    years. But I also knew in reality that defendants almost never take the
    stand; yet in the show it seemed to happen almost 100% of the time.
    Perhaps it was to 'conclude' a concrete win at the end of the show so
    the viewer isn't left hanging. Regardless, it's not accurate to real
    life trials, from what little I know about them.
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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 17:09:53 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:53:22 PM UTC-7, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/21/2023 6:41 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/21/23 4:31 PM, Gracchus wrote:

    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and
    the villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full
    confession once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the
    scenario, and viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

    This implies that much of the difference is in the viewers.

    That's true. I may be speaking for myself in the different view of "Columbo" then versus now.

    I have enjoyed Law and Order (original series only) a lot over the
    years. But I also knew in reality that defendants almost never take the stand; yet in the show it seemed to happen almost 100% of the time.
    Perhaps it was to 'conclude' a concrete win at the end of the show so
    the viewer isn't left hanging. Regardless, it's not accurate to real
    life trials, from what little I know about them.

    Yes, they take the stand nearly always on "Law and Order." And even worse then the highly-implausible confessions during police questioning are the confessions on the stand, also an old Perry Mason staple. There sits the ingenious villain--smooth, smug,
    and cool as a cucumber under cross-examination---until the D.A. prods them with that one "hot-button" issue to trigger them. This of course rattles the criminal's ego to its core, inducing (of course) a full confession before judge, jury, and gallery.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 21 17:14:39 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk
    was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and the
    villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.

    Doesn't matter. His pestering was so annoying that they confessed rather than having to keep listening to him :-)

    "Oh yeah, one more thing."

    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full confession
    once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the scenario, and
    viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 03:01:19 2023
    On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 00:44:37 UTC+1, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/21/2023 6:15 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed >>> it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk >>> was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and
    beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Columbo was an awesome show! Amazing how the viewer knew the actual
    villain within the first two minutes and yet the suspense was incredible until Detective Columbo finally presented his findings to the villain.
    No other show, that I am aware of, did that back then (and usually to
    this day). Superb television!

    yes Brilliant show, credit to Gracchus for reminding of Jack Cassidy, awesome stuff! though personal fave was Louis Jourdan as the murdering restaurant reviewer.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 22 03:50:43 2023
    On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 01:14:41 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:58:55 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:44:34 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyed
    it a lot.

    Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)

    One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falk
    was great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (and beautiful too).

    I was watching this clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    They had both William Shatner and Johnny Cash as the villains on separate occasions. Excellent television.

    Probably the best was Jack Cassidy. I think they used him three times. Nichol Williamson also was great.
    Must say, though, that as fun as those episodes were (and they are still highly enjoyable), you see them today through a different lens after years of greater exposure to trial coverage. Many of Columbo's "gotchas" would never hold up in court and
    the villains would end up free via acquittals, mistrials, or dismissals.
    Doesn't matter. His pestering was so annoying that they confessed rather than having to keep listening to him :-)

    "Oh yeah, one more thing."
    But I'd still rather watch these any day than the "Law and Order" crap which more often than not follows a more convoluted version of the Perry Mason template wherein the villains--no matter how clever--go into a fugue state and make a full
    confession once police confront them with an inconsistency in their story. They either do this without a lawyer present or disregard their lawyer's explicit warning to shut up. It makes for an easy cut-and-dried ending, however incredibly stupid the
    scenario, and viewers continue to eat it up for some reason.

    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Fri Sep 22 04:53:42 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.

    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers take the
    guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 22 07:19:56 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers take
    the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".

    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Fri Sep 22 07:16:35 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers take the
    guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.

    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 07:30:17 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers take
    the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!

    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 19:42:23 2023
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>

    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers take
    the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!

    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 22 11:15:42 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>

    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!

    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.

    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/

    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 22 11:40:50 2023
    On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>

    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!
    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is
    sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw
    was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others,
    although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't
    like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear
    at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the
    delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 22 13:49:27 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!
    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >> 20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is
    sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw
    was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others, although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't
    like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear
    at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.

    The bear movie!

    Yes, another example of weird directors. A weird and poignant story. And yes, quite tragic.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 22 13:55:36 2023
    On 9/22/23 1:49 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!
    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. >>>
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>> 20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is
    sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of
    humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw
    was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others,
    although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't
    like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear
    at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the
    delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.
    The bear movie!

    Yes, another example of weird directors. A weird and poignant story. And yes, quite tragic.

    I heard they found little bits of his pecker, cached up for later, under
    a fallen tree.

    ;^)

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 22 14:10:53 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 1:49 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors!
    Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. >>>
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>> 20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is
    sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of >> humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw >> was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others,
    although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't
    like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear
    at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the
    delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.
    The bear movie!

    Yes, another example of weird directors. A weird and poignant story. And yes, quite tragic.
    I heard they found little bits of his pecker, cached up for later, under
    a fallen tree.

    ;^)

    Really? Ick. No, you are kidding.

    That was a hard movie to watch. Especially cuz it's true.

    Ever seen the piranha movie with severed dick ? The one with Richard Dreyfuss getting devoured at the start was great.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 22 14:56:14 2023
    On 9/22/23 2:10 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 1:49 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed officers
    take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors! >>>>>>> Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. >>>>>
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>>>> 20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is
    sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of >>>> humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw >>>> was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others, >>>> although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't >>>> like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear >>>> at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the
    delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.
    The bear movie!

    Yes, another example of weird directors. A weird and poignant story. And yes, quite tragic.
    I heard they found little bits of his pecker, cached up for later, under
    a fallen tree.

    ;^)
    Really? Ick. No, you are kidding.
    Yes.

    That was a hard movie to watch. Especially cuz it's true.

    Yeah it was.

    You could see that he wanted desperately to believe in an alternate
    reality for some strange reasons of personal insecurity or low self
    esteem--he needed something that just plain wasn't there in his life,
    and he was filling it this way. You could see that it was going to end
    badly.

    As I recall from the film (although you should not trust Herzog too far
    on anything) he was getting along OK with the bears, but a young male
    joined the ursine community and thought he was some being kind of a
    smart alec and so he shredded him.


    Ever seen the piranha movie with severed dick ? The one with Richard Dreyfuss getting devoured at the start was great.
    No, but if Dreyfus was eaten sooner rather than later, that recommends
    the film highly.


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    --Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 22 15:33:35 2023
    On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 22:56:18 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 2:10 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/22/23 1:49 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 9/22/23 11:15 AM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:42:26 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    bmoore kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 17.30:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:53:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:


    yes also why would they end up mistrials when the "boys down the lab" often proved stuff too? would just need to get Quincy to help out a bit.
    Sometimes they did have stuff like fingerprint and ballistics evidence, yes. I just remember a lot of Columbo endings where he trips the villain up on his story and then explains the chain of logic solving the mystery before uniformed
    officers take the guy into custody. A good defense attorney would have loads to work with in those situations. But hey, I still love the lieutenant.
    You are right, but Columbo never gave up.

    Did you know that Peter Falk had a glass eye? Rumor has it that was playing baseball and the ump called him out, and Peter Falk looked at the umpire, took his glass eye out and handed it to him, saying "You need this more than I do".
    Falk, Gazzara and Cassavetes were three good pals, fine actors! >>>>>>> Peter Falk was in an interesting Wim Wenders movie called Wings of Desire, which included Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
    Horrible, horribly pretentious movie.
    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120632/
    Hollywood doesn't do pretentious as well as the Germans do :-)

    I never had any connection, at all, to Wenders' stuff.

    FWIW, I can easily connect to Werner Herzog's body of work, which is >>>> sort of an idiosyncratic exploration of the strange and quirky aspect of
    humans--maybe a sort of meta exploration of quirkiness? First one I saw >>>> was Aguirre, and I could connect in some fashion to all of the others, >>>> although he is often too self-indulgent (he likes approach and I don't >>>> like it so much).

    I think he did that film about a guy who saw himself as a grizzly bear >>>> at heart--perhaps mis-assigned at birth to the wrong species by the >>>> delivering physician.

    A truly tragic case of inappropriate self-identification.
    The bear movie!

    Yes, another example of weird directors. A weird and poignant story. And yes, quite tragic.
    I heard they found little bits of his pecker, cached up for later, under >> a fallen tree.

    ;^)
    Really? Ick. No, you are kidding.
    Yes.

    That was a hard movie to watch. Especially cuz it's true.
    Yeah it was.

    You could see that he wanted desperately to believe in an alternate
    reality for some strange reasons of personal insecurity or low self esteem--he needed something that just plain wasn't there in his life,
    and he was filling it this way. You could see that it was going to end badly.

    As I recall from the film (although you should not trust Herzog too far
    on anything) he was getting along OK with the bears, but a young male
    joined the ursine community and thought he was some being kind of a
    smart alec and so he shredded him.

    no it wasn't cos of the young male, all the bears liked him or rather didn't care about him until winter came along and food became more scarce, then they got hungry! cos they're friggign bears!! watched it with friends back when it came out and like you
    guys, they kept going on about how he was mentally ill, totally disagree, he just seemed plain stupid and like some idealist type who thought he could live with wild animals and they would be friends to him like dogs + he thought others might come and
    join with him on the adventure. It's not much different than Pelle saying that one day mass immigration will work wonderfully for everyone or that going to net zero CO2 will save the planet from its weather or thinking South Africa will work perfectly
    once we get rid of apartheid(not having a dig just saying it's similar idealism, when it's plain stupid if you consider what you're dealing with).

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Fri Sep 22 20:34:18 2023
    "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic
    (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?

    This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.

    Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)

    I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular ones: sinclair and commodore :)


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 22 21:39:07 2023
    On 9/22/23 5:34 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was
    fantastic (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk
    What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?

    This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.

    Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)

    Yeah!

    Was that the black keyboard that you connected to a TV?


    I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular ones: sinclair and commodore :)



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 10:09:12 2023
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 23.9.2023 klo 3.34:
    What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?

    I only know Columbo and McCloud from those.

    Remember vaguely horse riding on streets. Remember better this scene...

    https://youtu.be/7N6nK-_lnMk?si=hxYAuNPFx9sFmgfI

    Best ever. Also mad props for McCloud's jamming.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 10:18:13 2023
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 23.9.2023 klo 1.33:
    and like you guys, they kept going on about how he was mentally ill, totally disagree


    This scene has stayed with me...

    https://youtu.be/9b5yI9-uUUU?si=2QAs45Xx-QR1qqHS

    Yes, the man was nuts.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Sep 23 08:54:46 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 9/22/23 5:34 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "
    Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk> What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF
    streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?>> This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.>> Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)Yeah!Was that the black keyboard that you connected to a TV?>> I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular
    ones: sinclair and commodore :)>>-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I done created myself a monster." --Juan Carlos Ferrero~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This one
    https://youtu.be/uZEJ8-i-Kk0?si=8fcXW2MuVoMGuX6w

    It had great game cartridges at that time, with speech and graphics.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 17:21:47 2023
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sat Sep 23 13:14:11 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 23.9.2023 klo 15.54:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 9/22/23 5:34 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still
    enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.
    youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk> What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?>> This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.>> Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)Yeah!Was that the
    black keyboard that you connected to a TV?>> I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular ones: sinclair and commodore :)>>-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I done created myself a monster." --
    Juan Carlos Ferrero~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > This one> https://youtu.be/uZEJ8-i-Kk0?si=8fcXW2MuVoMGuX6w> > It had great game cartridges at that time, with speech and graphics.> Donkey Kong looks pretty
    good.

    They had many great games then. They had great graphics since it had graphics processor. Also you could buy speech synthesizer.

    This was a good game
    https://youtu.be/C8o_Wj7BkIo?si=cILliZRPh3KDbnz7



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 22:02:42 2023
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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 12:55:25 2023
    On Saturday, 23 September 2023 at 20:02:47 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 23.9.2023 klo 20.14:
    TT <T...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 23.9.2023 klo 15.54:> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 9/22/23 5:34 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> "Shakes" <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still
    enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was fantastic (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.
    youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk> What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?>> This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.>> Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)Yeah!Was that the
    black keyboard that you connected to a TV?>> I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular ones: sinclair and commodore :)>>-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I done created myself a monster." --
    Juan Carlos Ferrero~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > This one> https://youtu.be/uZEJ8-i-Kk0?si=8fcXW2MuVoMGuX6w> > It had great game cartridges at that time, with speech and graphics.> Donkey Kong looks pretty
    good.

    They had many great games then. They had great graphics since it had graphics processor. Also you could buy speech synthesizer.

    This was a good game
    https://youtu.be/C8o_Wj7BkIo?si=cILliZRPh3KDbnz7



    Looks ok.

    It's obviously inspired by Scramble... https://youtu.be/3Vc-RIkpk40?si=B2N5Rk8JsLdsYByB

    oh that game ruled!

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Sat Sep 23 16:38:29 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:33:37 PM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 22:56:18 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:

    As I recall from the film (although you should not trust Herzog too far
    on anything) he was getting along OK with the bears, but a young male joined the ursine community and thought he was some being kind of a
    smart alec and so he shredded him.

    no it wasn't cos of the young male, all the bears liked him or rather didn't care about him until winter came along and food became more scarce, then they got hungry! cos they're friggign bears!! watched it with friends back when it came out and like
    you guys, they kept going on about how he was mentally ill, totally disagree, he just seemed plain stupid and like some idealist type who thought he could live with wild animals and they would be friends to him like dogs + he thought others might come
    and join with him on the adventure.

    The guy was obviously mentally ill. Probably bipolar from the story of him going into a tailspin by losing the role on "Cheers" and then the weird manic scenes in the film indicative of an expectation (or hope?) that the bears would eventually kill him.
    No, this wasn't simple idealism or even old-fashioned stupidity. Even a barely functional retarded person wouldn't stand in a field watching grizzlies fight while he chatted to the camera like it's Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sat Sep 23 16:42:51 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:


    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.

    A classic written by Andrew Bergman (I think) and still is very funny. Falk and Arkin had great chemistry.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of 20th century...

    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.

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  • From grif@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Sep 24 00:20:07 2023
    On 23/09/2023 01:34, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    I saw this much later as this was before my time, but I still enjoyedit a lot.Not sure how it will hold up today though. :)One episode that I really liked was "Ransom For a Dead Man". Peter Falkwas great, as usual, but I thought Lee Grant was
    fantastic (andbeautiful too).I was watching this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-mP-li_tk

    What about "Barnaby Jones", "McCloud" and his horse racing in SF streets, "Police woman", "Rockford", etc?

    This is what I wasted my teen's hours on.

    Then I got my first home computer, TI 99/4A :)

    I got this one for its advanced graphics over the popular ones: sinclair and commodore :)



    Ah, the great home computer GOAT wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQBbxb6wB0

    The story of one of the most influential video games of all time, Tetris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BLM1naCfME

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Sep 23 21:01:52 2023
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 8:28:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/23/23 4:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:


    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.
    A classic written by Andrew Bergman (I think) and still is very funny. Falk and Arkin had great chemistry.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>> 20th century...

    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.

    Diverting, did you buy Arkin as Yossarian?

    I didn't. AS poor an actor as Elliot Gould is, I think he would have
    been better.

    I haven't seen that film. Certainly he's not right for every role, but he's versatile. Bergaman conceived and wrote the script for "The In-Laws" with Falk and Arkin in mind. Naturally everything fit. No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him
    in things where he was OK.

    One case was "The Long Goodbye." I didn't like the idea of Philip Marlowe in a then-contemporary setting at all. Yet the result is kind of fun.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sat Sep 23 20:27:57 2023
    On 9/23/23 4:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:


    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin.
    A classic written by Andrew Bergman (I think) and still is very funny. Falk and Arkin had great chemistry.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.

    Diverting, did you buy Arkin as Yossarian?

    I didn't. AS poor an actor as Elliot Gould is, I think he would have
    been better.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 07:49:09 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of
    20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.

    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 07:59:26 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK

    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent
    film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 22:06:31 2023
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK
    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent
    film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".

    "OK" wasn't meant as high praise. :)

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 03:52:26 2023
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 05:49:12 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>> 20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.

    only reason people didn't like Michael is cos the media were upset at Travolta and all his Sciento stuff when it came out, was like Battlefield Earth, which wasn't that bad either, least nothing like as bad as the paid-off stereotypical critics who like
    boring trash like Arrival said it was, Starship Troopers was almost the same film in fact. Anyway didn't care about any of that and found Michael quite an amusing film, thought Travolta worked well with Andi McDowell.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 24 03:50:34 2023
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:06:33 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK
    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".
    "OK" wasn't meant as high praise. :)

    isn't Elliot Gould like Robert de Niro, he always plays himself? worked really well in Capricorn One and the Oceans Eleven films.

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 07:12:09 2023
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:59:31 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK
    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent
    film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".


    MASH

    The performances have a lot to do with the movie's success. Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland are two genuinely funny actors; they don't have to make themselves ridiculous to get a laugh. They're funny because their humor comes so directly from their
    personalities. They underplay everything (and Sutherland and Gould trying to downstage each other could eventually lead to complete paralysis).

    Strangely enough, they're convincing as surgeons. During operations, covered with blood and gore, they mutter their way through running commentaries that sound totally professional. Sawing and hacking away at a parade of bodies, they should be driving us
    away, but they don't. We can take the unusually high gore-level in "MASH" because it is originally part of the movie's logic. If the surgeons didn't have to face the daily list of maimed and mutilated bodies, none of the rest of their lives would make
    any sense.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 24 10:53:53 2023
    "gap...@gmail.com" <gapp111@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:59:31AM UTC-4, TT wrote:> Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01: > > No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK> I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his
    blabbering > characters. > > Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film. > > Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent > film at least. > > Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California
    Split".MASHThe performances have a lot to do with the movie's success. Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland are two genuinely funny actors; they don't have to make themselves ridiculous to get a laugh. They're funny because their humor comes so directly
    from their personalities. They underplay everything (and Sutherland and Gould trying to downstage each other could eventually lead to complete paralysis).Strangely enough, they're convincing as surgeons. During operations, covered with blood and gore,
    they mutter their way through running commentaries that sound totally professional. Sawing and hacking away at a parade of bodies, they should be driving us away, but they don't. We can take the unusually high gore-level in "MASH" because it is
    originally part of the movie's logic. If the surgeons didn't have to face the daily list of maimed and mutilated bodies, none of the rest of their lives would make any sense.

    I was like wow, guppy wrote a full paragraph instead of his usual 2-5 words. But then realized it was a copy and paste, not bad, guppy learned new skills :)

    https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/mash-1970#:~:text=Strangely%20enough%2C%20they're%20convincing,%2C%20but%20they%20don't.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 24 08:54:47 2023
    On 9/23/23 9:01 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 8:28:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/23/23 4:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:


    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. >>> A classic written by Andrew Bergman (I think) and still is very funny. Falk and Arkin had great chemistry.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>>> 20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    Diverting, did you buy Arkin as Yossarian?
    I didn't. AS poor an actor as Elliot Gould is, I think he would have
    been better.
    I haven't seen that film. Certainly he's not right for every role, but he's versatile. Bergaman conceived and wrote the script for "The In-Laws" with Falk and Arkin in mind. Naturally everything fit. No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen
    him in things where he was OK.

    One case was "The Long Goodbye." I didn't like the idea of Philip Marlowe in a then-contemporary setting at all. Yet the result is kind of fun.

    I never really liked Arkin all that much--his roles, I guess--but I
    really liked him in The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Sun Sep 24 09:02:29 2023
    On 9/24/23 3:50 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 06:06:33 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:59:31 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK
    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering
    characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent
    film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".
    "OK" wasn't meant as high praise. :)
    isn't Elliot Gould like Robert de Niro, he always plays himself? worked really well in Capricorn One and the Oceans Eleven films.

    I didn't see any of those, so I don't know. But he has no other
    character to play but himself, that's right.

    I used to think that Brad Pitt was Redford's follow-on, but he actually
    has greater range. In a way he has to work against who he is perceived
    to be by audiences, like Redford. All-American golden boy for whom
    everything comes easy.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 08:58:49 2023
    On 9/23/23 9:59 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where
    he was OK

    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    I'm now thinking that you'd have to know and like LA--the Santa
    Monica/Sunset corridor--to find anything in it, at all.

    For my 21st birthday, my college roommate took me to a bunch of topless
    bars on Santa Monica. Great birthday present!



    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a
    decent film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".
    MASH was OK, but he didn't talk much. He was basically Sutherland's 2nd
    banana.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 24 08:53:01 2023
    On 9/23/23 9:01 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 8:28:03 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/23/23 4:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:15:45 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:


    Heh. Maybe you would enjoy the In-Laws, then? Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. >>> A classic written by Andrew Bergman (I think) and still is very funny. Falk and Arkin had great chemistry.

    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>>> 20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    Diverting, did you buy Arkin as Yossarian?
    I didn't. AS poor an actor as Elliot Gould is, I think he would have
    been better.
    I haven't seen that film. Certainly he's not right for every role, but he's versatile. Bergaman conceived and wrote the script for "The In-Laws" with Falk and Arkin in mind. Naturally everything fit. No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen
    him in things where he was OK.
    Very mediocre, with only one character setting, a kind of harmless shlub.

    One case was "The Long Goodbye." I didn't like the idea of Philip Marlowe in a then-contemporary setting at all.

    That's for damned sure!

    And feeling he had to cater to his cat. Not Marlowe.

    Nice car, though.

    Yet the result is kind of fun.

    It was. The scene where the hip 70's Jewish crime boss comes to
    Marlowe's apt and says something like:

    "I should be at temple, but I have to stand here and talk to you."

    The *idea* that the guy would ever go to a religious service, in
    Hollywood, on a Friday evening, was absurd, but more absurd still was
    that, you know, maybe Jewish gangsters *would* feel like they should go.

    Then he goes and disfigures his own girlfriend just to make a point.

    Interesting film, but not Marlowe. A sort of cavalcade of Hollywood
    characters.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 09:17:36 2023
    On 9/23/23 9:49 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous
    stars of
    20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.

    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.
    Don't particularly like her, or the genre.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.
    Best left unsaid.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Sun Sep 24 09:24:21 2023
    On 9/24/23 3:52 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 05:49:12 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>>> 20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.
    only reason people didn't like Michael is cos the media were upset at Travolta and all his Sciento stuff when it came out, was like Battlefield Earth, which wasn't that bad either, least nothing like as bad as the paid-off stereotypical critics who
    like boring trash like Arrival said it was, Starship Troopers was almost the same film in fact.

    Starship Troopers is an odd one.

    I think it's the best example I can think of where it was probably
    conceived and executed to target two disparate adult audiences: young
    numbnuts action addicts who might like Transformer movies, and older
    people who saw it as a sad parody of rah-rah militarism. In the latter
    case, akin to Full Metal Jacket.

    Anyway didn't care about any of that and found Michael quite an amusing film, thought Travolta worked well with Andi McDowell.
    Yep. I tend to ignore film critics, who are a lot like
    sportswriters--sad sacks who could not cut the mustard as a participant,
    and so they fill their time and soothe their egos making up ill-informed horseshit about their areas of "expertise".


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 24 09:15:31 2023
    On 9/24/23 7:12 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:59:31 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK
    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering
    characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent
    film at least.

    Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California Split".

    MASH
    Yep.

    The performances have a lot to do with the movie's success. Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland are two genuinely funny actors; they don't have to make themselves ridiculous to get a laugh.
    In Sutherland's case, he is funny-looking, to start with. Just like
    Kumail Najiani--he can immediately get a sort of chuckle (out of me, at
    least) just by the way he looks. E.g. Silicon Valley.
    They're funny because their humor comes so directly from their personalities. They underplay everything (and Sutherland and Gould trying to downstage each other could eventually lead to complete paralysis).
    The golf course scene in Japan impressed me so much that I wanted to
    replicate it as often as possible when I played golf with some of my
    rowdy friends.

    Strangely enough, they're convincing as surgeons. During operations, covered with blood and gore, they mutter their way through running commentaries that sound totally professional. Sawing and hacking away at a parade of bodies, they should be driving
    us away, but they don't. We can take the unusually high gore-level in "MASH" because it is originally part of the movie's logic. If the surgeons didn't have to face the daily list of maimed and mutilated bodies, none of the rest of their lives would make
    any sense.

    Good points.

    Get this...

    I had surgery on my hand about 3 years ago. They used propofol to put me
    under. This is an excellent anesthesiac but is frequently
    under-administered in dose.

    Woke up just as the surgeon was finishing and I heard the team talking.
    They were heatedly discussing George Floyd, ignoring my fucking hand. I
    sorta groggily jumped in on the discussion (I ignored my hand, too) and
    they knocked me out again.

    Boy, I'll bet some RST posters would like to be able to do that to their interlocutors...



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 20:12:16 2023
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 13.52:
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 05:49:12 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous stars of >>>>> 20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.

    only reason people didn't like Michael is cos the media were upset at Travolta and all his Sciento stuff when it came out, was like Battlefield Earth, which wasn't that bad either, least nothing like as bad as the paid-off stereotypical critics who
    like boring trash like Arrival said it was, Starship Troopers was almost the same film in fact. Anyway didn't care about any of that and found Michael quite an amusing film, thought Travolta worked well with Andi McDowell.

    Battlefield Earth has been chosen for a reason multiple times as one of
    the worst films ever. But I knew there was somewhere an audience for it. :))

    Yes, I think "Michael" is watchable for the actors. The idea of Travolta
    having wings isn't the greatest ever.

    Arrival is brilliance.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 20:29:45 2023
    Sawfish kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 18.58:
    On 9/23/23 9:59 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where
    he was OK

    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his blabbering
    characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    I'm now thinking that you'd have to know and like LA--the Santa
    Monica/Sunset corridor--to find anything in it, at all.

    For my 21st birthday, my college roommate took me to a bunch of topless
    bars on Santa Monica. Great birthday present!



    I've been to LA. Stayed for a week within walking distance of Santa
    Monica, hotel at Venice Beach. Didn't really do naughty rounds there.

    Then a few days at Las Vegas.
    Then a week at Hollywood Hills.

    Great trip!

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 10:24:41 2023
    On 9/24/23 10:12 AM, TT wrote:
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 13.52:
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 05:49:12 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous
    stars of
    20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.

    only reason people didn't like Michael is cos the media were upset at
    Travolta and all his Sciento stuff when it came out, was like
    Battlefield Earth, which wasn't that bad either, least nothing like
    as bad as the paid-off stereotypical critics who like boring trash
    like Arrival said it was, Starship Troopers was almost the same film
    in fact. Anyway didn't care about any of that and found Michael quite
    an amusing film, thought Travolta worked well with Andi McDowell.

    Battlefield Earth has been chosen for a reason multiple times as one
    of the worst films ever. But I knew there was somewhere an audience
    for it. :))

    Yes, I think "Michael" is watchable for the actors. The idea of
    Travolta having wings isn't the greatest ever.
    If not Travolta, which actor might have been more convincing with wings?

    Arrival is brilliance.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 10:44:06 2023
    On 9/24/23 10:29 AM, TT wrote:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 18.58:
    On 9/23/23 9:59 PM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01:
    No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things
    where he was OK

    I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his
    blabbering characters.

    Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film.

    I'm now thinking that you'd have to know and like LA--the Santa
    Monica/Sunset corridor--to find anything in it, at all.

    For my 21st birthday, my college roommate took me to a bunch of
    topless bars on Santa Monica. Great birthday present!



    I've been to LA. Stayed for a week within walking distance of Santa
    Monica, hotel at Venice Beach. Didn't really do naughty rounds there.

    Then a few days at Las Vegas.
    Then a week at Hollywood Hills.

    Great trip!


    Thanks, interesting!

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 24 20:49:49 2023
    Sawfish kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 20.24:
    On 9/24/23 10:12 AM, TT wrote:
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 13.52:
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 05:49:12 UTC+1, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 2.42:
    There's also a Hollywood remake, with two of the most luminous
    stars of
    20th century...
    Made for no good reason with no link to the original and no value.
    There's always some value with Meg Ryan romantic comedies.

    Definitely better than Michael (1996), the angel film with Travolta.
    Then again that's not saying much.

    only reason people didn't like Michael is cos the media were upset at
    Travolta and all his Sciento stuff when it came out, was like
    Battlefield Earth, which wasn't that bad either, least nothing like
    as bad as the paid-off stereotypical critics who like boring trash
    like Arrival said it was, Starship Troopers was almost the same film
    in fact. Anyway didn't care about any of that and found Michael quite
    an amusing film, thought Travolta worked well with Andi McDowell.

    Battlefield Earth has been chosen for a reason multiple times as one
    of the worst films ever. But I knew there was somewhere an audience
    for it. :))

    Yes, I think "Michael" is watchable for the actors. The idea of
    Travolta having wings isn't the greatest ever.
    If not Travolta, which actor might have been more convincing with wings?

    Ha-ha

    Cher. I'd like Cher with wings.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Sep 24 15:13:37 2023
    On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 15:54:00 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    "gap...@gmail.com" <gap...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:59:31 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:> Gracchus kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 7.01: > > No strong feelings about Elliott Gould. I've seen him in things where he was OK> I don't think I have. One gets tired pretty quickly of his
    blabbering > characters. > > Maybe he was ok at The Long Goodbye, but I didn't like film. > > Maybe he was ok at Capricorn One, don't remember, but that was a decent > film at least. > > Somewhat good, or at least fitting for the role at "California
    Split".MASHThe performances have a lot to do with the movie's success. Elliott Gould and Donald Sutherland are two genuinely funny actors; they don't have to make themselves ridiculous to get a laugh. They're funny because their humor comes so directly
    from their personalities. They underplay everything (and Sutherland and Gould trying to downstage each other could eventually lead to complete paralysis).Strangely enough, they're convincing as surgeons. During operations, covered with blood and gore,
    they mutter their way through running commentaries that sound totally professional. Sawing and hacking away at a parade of bodies, they should be driving us away, but they don't. We can take the unusually high gore-level in "MASH" because it is
    originally part of the movie's logic. If the surgeons didn't have to face the daily list of maimed and mutilated bodies, none of the rest of their lives would make any sense.

    I was like wow, guppy wrote a full paragraph instead of his usual 2-5 words. But then realized it was a copy and paste, not bad, guppy learned new skills :)

    https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/mash-1970#:~:text=Strangely%20enough%2C%20they're%20convincing,%2C%20but%20they%20don't.

    wow yeah was totally amazed thought maybe films are his specialist subject or something, well done on EXPOSING him!!

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