Emma Navarro that is. Navarro looked in the beginning quite unbeatable
with terrible power. Leylah started hitting hard as well. It was all one
way street after that, Emma starting make more mistakes when rushed
herself. One of the best matches I've seen Leylah play.
Still, this Navarro gal has recently beaten some names and is rising the rankings fast. A future top tenner probably. Leylah also beat her at
junior RG final.
Leylah has been playing great her past 3 matches at Guodalajara WTA
1000. Has somehow found her serve which has been a huge problem the past
few months. She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours -
against Kenin. Doubles quarters after that. Vamoses.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:34:44 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Emma Navarro that is. Navarro looked in the beginning quite unbeatable
with terrible power. Leylah started hitting hard as well. It was all one
way street after that, Emma starting make more mistakes when rushed
herself. One of the best matches I've seen Leylah play.
Still, this Navarro gal has recently beaten some names and is rising the
rankings fast. A future top tenner probably. Leylah also beat her at
junior RG final.
Leylah has been playing great her past 3 matches at Guodalajara WTA
1000. Has somehow found her serve which has been a huge problem the past
few months. She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours -
against Kenin. Doubles quarters after that. Vamoses.
I've been in Mexico for the past month and "could of" spent all week at this tournament, damn it. Just neglected to follow the tennis schedule.
Skriptis, do you have any livestream sites for the match?
I have this, but it doesn't seem to show at least yet the video for the court...
https://tennis.sportshub.stream/
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:> Skriptis, do you have any livestream sites for the match?> > I have this, but it doesn't seem to show at least yet the video for the > court...> https://tennis.sportshub.stream/The link is already there, will probablywork when the match begins in one hour...https://sportshub.fan/event/leylah_annie_fernandez_w_sofia_kenin_w_156617287/A bit distressing that this the ONLY live stream site that currently seems to work for tennis... Maybe it's my firewall settings etc...
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:rprobably work when the match begins in one hour...https://sportshub.fan/event/leylah_annie_fernandez_w_sofia_kenin_w_156617287/A bit distressing that this the ONLY live stream site that currently seems to work for tennis... Maybe it's my firewall
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:> Skriptis, do you have any livestream sites for the match?> > I have this, but it doesn't seem to show at least yet the video for the > court...> https://tennis.sportshub.stream/The link is already there, will
Freestream site is currently down too so I have none reliable with high quality. I've stopped tracking other sites.
http://nk.freestreams-live1.top/
They're kinda like dailystormer forced to change domain all the time. They'll come back eventually with a new address.
I used to track many, e.g. rojadirecta.eu used to be good, but now is basically worthless especially for a female low tier WTA event, low odds I'd say.
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 21.26:> The only one that works seems to be the above listed> https://tennis.sportshub.stream/Also, with some googling around I did find the new site for freestreams. (.se)Not sure if the links work yet but at least the siteis up...https://freestreams-live1.se/tennis-live-stream3/
The only one that works seems to be the above listed https://tennis.sportshub.stream/
Gracchus kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 21.03:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:34:44 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Emma Navarro that is. Navarro looked in the beginning quite unbeatable
with terrible power. Leylah started hitting hard as well. It was all one >> way street after that, Emma starting make more mistakes when rushed
herself. One of the best matches I've seen Leylah play.
Still, this Navarro gal has recently beaten some names and is rising the >> rankings fast. A future top tenner probably. Leylah also beat her at
junior RG final.
Leylah has been playing great her past 3 matches at Guodalajara WTA
1000. Has somehow found her serve which has been a huge problem the past >> few months. She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours -
against Kenin. Doubles quarters after that. Vamoses.
I've been in Mexico for the past month and "could of" spent all week at this tournament, damn it. Just neglected to follow the tennis schedule.Damn. The problem with RST is that nobody follows tennis these days.
At least the weather looks warm...
Lucky you.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against Kenin.
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against Kenin.
Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break.
Plus a netcord to boot. Damn.
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? OtherwiseHahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of longevity...
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit winner or miss type of players...
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:09:23 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:as quickly turn to shit. That's why Kenin, Ostapenko, etc, are likely to remain one-slam wonders. Leylah may or may not mange any slams...her physical fragility is a liability. But I still prefer her skills and tenacity to the bashers.
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of longevity...
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
Me neither. I wouldn't call it luck, though. It's a game designed to spawn those unreturnable line-painting shots *when it's working.* But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a couple matches where they're invincible and just
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
Tough match!
Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:09:23 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:as quickly turn to shit. That's why Kenin, Ostapenko, etc, are likely to remain one-slam wonders. Leylah may or may not mange any slams...her physical fragility is a liability. But I still prefer her skills and tenacity to the bashers.
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:Me neither. I wouldn't call it luck, though. It's a game designed to spawn those unreturnable line-painting shots *when it's working.* But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a couple matches where they're invincible and just
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of longevity...
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
Tough match!
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble on championship point. That' the red flag you really have to look out for.
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to >>>>>> boot. Damn.
Kenin.
Tough match!
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds are
against her without some help from those self-same players. Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive focus,
but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly good at
things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run two years
ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more, but it's just
not physically available.
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
She is one of my personal favorites, as was Kontaveit before her collapse.
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble on championship
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against >>>>>>>> Kenin.Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to >>>>>>> boot. Damn.
Tough match!
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big positive >>>> for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing hit >>>> winner or miss type of players...
impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories against >>> high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds are
against her without some help from those self-same players. Sabelenka is >>> particularly generous in this regard.
point. That' the red flag you really have to look out for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive focus,
but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly good at
things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that this
gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run two years
ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more, but it's just
not physically available.
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
She is one of my personal favorites, as was Kontaveit before her collapse.
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble on championship
jdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise >>>>>> someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against >>>>>>>>> Kenin.Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to >>>>>>>> boot. Damn.
Tough match!
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big
positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing
hit
winner or miss type of players...
impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories
against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to
play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds are
against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
point. That' the red flag you really have to look out for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly
good at things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss.
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well... although I
think her game is more powerful than people give credit for... just
great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a finished
product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors, choice of
shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results this year if
not for her recent serve problems. She's added some consistency,
dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with doubles play. Still missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her toolbox yesterday though, I
think I saw only one dropshot... well, maybe Kenin's flat linelickers
are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously she
has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she should
have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a couple
more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that
this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run two
years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more, but
it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks nowadays.
May have something to do with her recent serving troubles too.
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big runThere's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
She is one of my personal favorites, as was Kontaveit before her
collapse.
On 9/22/23 9:26 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>> On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:
But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble on championshipjdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the >>>>> impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise >>>>>>> someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against >>>>>>>>>> Kenin.Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a netcord to >>>>>>>>> boot. Damn.
Tough match!
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went >>>>>> away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big
positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky >>>>>> though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball bashing >>>>>> hit
winner or miss type of players...
against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that USO >>>>> run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to
play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds are >>>>> against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
point. That' the red flag you really have to look out for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly
good at things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss.
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well... although I
think her game is more powerful than people give credit for... just
great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a finished
product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors, choice of
shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results this year if
not for her recent serve problems. She's added some consistency,
dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with doubles play. Still
missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her toolbox yesterday though, I
think I saw only one dropshot... well, maybe Kenin's flat linelickers
are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously she
has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she should
have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a couple
more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that
this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run two
years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more, but
it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks nowadays.
May have something to do with her recent serving troubles too.
It seems equally possible that the reason that she's losing tight
matches whereas before she had often own them--it was a *notable* strength--is that she was, and is redlining (I'm not sure that I agree
with you that she has improved over 2 years ago, but I haven't seen a
lot of her lately), and that the other tour players, who were somewhat buffaloed by the fact that she did not go away when she is down, are now
much less buffaloed. If this is accurate, it would mean that her mental/physical level has remained constant over two years, but that her opponents' *mental* level versus her is much improved. This means that
she has lost one of her main advantages--the intimidation that a very persistent and mental tough player brings to the match.
Please bear in mind, TT, that she has been one of my favorites to watch.
I've made it a point to find and watch her matches, when they are
readily available. So these criticisms are not from a position of
dislike or disrespect. They are tinged with sad regret.
She is very tough--it is inspiring to see someone like that competing.
There's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big run
at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
players no longer worry about playing her in a tight match, as they once
did.
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 19.43:
On 9/22/23 9:26 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:
But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble onjdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the >>>>>> impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise >>>>>>>> someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours.
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against >>>>>>>>>>> Kenin.Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a
netcord to
boot. Damn.
Tough match!
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went >>>>>>> away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big
positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky >>>>>>> though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball
bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that
USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to
play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds
are
against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
championship point. That' the red flag you really have to look out
for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly
good at things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss.
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well... although
I think her game is more powerful than people give credit for...
just great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a finished
product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors, choice of
shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results this year
if not for her recent serve problems. She's added some consistency,
dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with doubles play.
Still missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her toolbox yesterday
though, I think I saw only one dropshot... well, maybe Kenin's flat
linelickers are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously she
has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she
should have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on
occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a couple
more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that
this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run
two years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more,
but it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks nowadays.
May have something to do with her recent serving troubles too.
It seems equally possible that the reason that she's losing tight
matches whereas before she had often own them--it was a *notable*
strength--is that she was, and is redlining (I'm not sure that I
agree with you that she has improved over 2 years ago, but I haven't
seen a lot of her lately), and that the other tour players, who were
somewhat buffaloed by the fact that she did not go away when she is
down, are now much less buffaloed. If this is accurate, it would mean
that her mental/physical level has remained constant over two years,
but that her opponents' *mental* level versus her is much improved.
This means that she has lost one of her main advantages--the
intimidation that a very persistent and mental tough player brings to
the match.
Please bear in mind, TT, that she has been one of my favorites to
watch. I've made it a point to find and watch her matches, when they
are readily available. So these criticisms are not from a position of
dislike or disrespect. They are tinged with sad regret.
She is very tough--it is inspiring to see someone like that competing.
There's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big
run at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
players no longer worry about playing her in a tight match, as they
once did.
When did they... She made some great comebacks at USO. But nobody knewSo we've got two cases potentially. One where she had comebacks based on determination before anyone worried that she could do this, then
then about her comebacks.
I don't think it's that.I'll have to watch. It's true that I haven't seen enough of her lately
She's tough all right, but not as tough as it seemed back then. She's
feeling the pressure more, and losses chip away confidence. She's
making wrong shot choices etc.
I do think that she'll sort it out with time... looked pretty good in
this tournament... for a moment it looked like everything had clicked together.
Well, baby steps, baby.
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 20.59:
On 9/22/23 10:10 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 19.43:So we've got two cases potentially. One where she had comebacks based
On 9/22/23 9:26 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:
But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble onjdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had >>>>>>>> the
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:longevity... no, not at all...
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise >>>>>>>>>> someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;) >>>>>>>>> Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours. >>>>>>>>>>>
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - >>>>>>>>>>>>> againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a >>>>>>>>>>>> netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
Tough match!
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely >>>>>>>>> went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big >>>>>>>>> positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow >>>>>>>>> lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball
bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories >>>>>>>> against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since
that USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to >>>>>>>> play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the
odds are
against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
championship point. That' the red flag you really have to look
out for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there.
Surprisingly good at things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough >>>>>> goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss. >>>>>
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well...
although I think her game is more powerful than people give credit
for... just great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a
finished product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors,
choice of shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results
this year if not for her recent serve problems. She's added some
consistency, dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with
doubles play. Still missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her
toolbox yesterday though, I think I saw only one dropshot... well,
maybe Kenin's flat linelickers are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously she
has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she
should have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on
occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a couple
more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and
that this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one >>>>>> run two years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit
more, but it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks nowadays.
May have something to do with her recent serving troubles too.
It seems equally possible that the reason that she's losing tight
matches whereas before she had often own them--it was a *notable*
strength--is that she was, and is redlining (I'm not sure that I
agree with you that she has improved over 2 years ago, but I haven't
seen a lot of her lately), and that the other tour players, who were
somewhat buffaloed by the fact that she did not go away when she is
down, are now much less buffaloed. If this is accurate, it would
mean that her mental/physical level has remained constant over two
years, but that her opponents' *mental* level versus her is much
improved. This means that she has lost one of her main
advantages--the intimidation that a very persistent and mental tough
player brings to the match.
Please bear in mind, TT, that she has been one of my favorites to
watch. I've made it a point to find and watch her matches, when they
are readily available. So these criticisms are not from a position
of dislike or disrespect. They are tinged with sad regret.
She is very tough--it is inspiring to see someone like that competing. >>>>
There's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big
run at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
players no longer worry about playing her in a tight match, as they
once did.
When did they... She made some great comebacks at USO. But nobody
knew then about her comebacks.
on determination before anyone worried that she could do this, then
afterward, when she had established this intimidating toughness.
I'll have to watch. It's true that I haven't seen enough of her lately
I don't think it's that.
She's tough all right, but not as tough as it seemed back then. She's
feeling the pressure more, and losses chip away confidence. She's
making wrong shot choices etc.
to judge her shot selection. As you say, it could be a major factor.
I do think that she'll sort it out with time... looked pretty good inMaybe so.
this tournament... for a moment it looked like everything had clicked
together.
Well, baby steps, baby.
I keep seeing when players, as they come up, reach what looks like
their max development. This is not to say that there are no cases
where someone appears maxxed out, but then something clicks and they
get notably better. But I think about Rublev, Sakkari, Shapovolov,
Tsitsi--people like that. Rybakina is probably one, also, but
fortunate enough to play a world-class choker for a major final.
So this made me wonder if that's what I'm seeing with Fernandez.
So you think she's maybe maxed out?
I think she's still learning and improving. Sometimes when that's the
case results don't come immediately.
At least she's obviously trying to improve and add stuff to her game.
Playing doubles and experimenting different tactics.
A while back she was coming to net a lot. Returning aggressively
standing on service box. Using more drop shots. Slicing with bh.
Now she was not doing any of that but was serving bombs, not serving
soft serves at all.
So I think she's trying to improve AND to find the right balance with
her game tactics. Admitted, it seems a bit odd that sometimes she plays entirely differently depending on a month... is that experimenting, implementing, sticking to coach's tactics or what I don't know. Maybe
she needs a better coach. Anyway this week looked very promising... she looked like a top 10 player easy.
On 9/22/23 10:10 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 19.43:So we've got two cases potentially. One where she had comebacks based on determination before anyone worried that she could do this, then
On 9/22/23 9:26 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:
But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble onjdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always had the >>>>>>> impression that she was at constant redline to achieve victories >>>>>>> against
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh? Otherwise >>>>>>>>> someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;)
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours. >>>>>>>>>>
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - against >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenin.Shit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a
netcord to
boot. Damn.
Tough match!
longevity... no, not at all...
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely went >>>>>>>> away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big
positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow lucky >>>>>>>> though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball
bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since that >>>>>>> USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to
play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the odds >>>>>>> are
against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
championship point. That' the red flag you really have to look out >>>>>> for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there. Surprisingly
good at things like serve, and yet not *quite* enough goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss.
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well... although
I think her game is more powerful than people give credit for...
just great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a finished
product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors, choice of
shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results this year
if not for her recent serve problems. She's added some consistency,
dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with doubles play.
Still missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her toolbox yesterday
though, I think I saw only one dropshot... well, maybe Kenin's flat
linelickers are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously she
has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she
should have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on
occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a couple
more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and that
this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that one run
two years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a bit more,
but it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks nowadays.
May have something to do with her recent serving troubles too.
It seems equally possible that the reason that she's losing tight
matches whereas before she had often own them--it was a *notable*
strength--is that she was, and is redlining (I'm not sure that I
agree with you that she has improved over 2 years ago, but I haven't
seen a lot of her lately), and that the other tour players, who were
somewhat buffaloed by the fact that she did not go away when she is
down, are now much less buffaloed. If this is accurate, it would mean
that her mental/physical level has remained constant over two years,
but that her opponents' *mental* level versus her is much improved.
This means that she has lost one of her main advantages--the
intimidation that a very persistent and mental tough player brings to
the match.
Please bear in mind, TT, that she has been one of my favorites to
watch. I've made it a point to find and watch her matches, when they
are readily available. So these criticisms are not from a position of
dislike or disrespect. They are tinged with sad regret.
She is very tough--it is inspiring to see someone like that competing.
There's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big
run at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
players no longer worry about playing her in a tight match, as they
once did.
When did they... She made some great comebacks at USO. But nobody knew
then about her comebacks.
afterward, when she had established this intimidating toughness.
I'll have to watch. It's true that I haven't seen enough of her lately
I don't think it's that.
She's tough all right, but not as tough as it seemed back then. She's
feeling the pressure more, and losses chip away confidence. She's
making wrong shot choices etc.
to judge her shot selection. As you say, it could be a major factor.
I do think that she'll sort it out with time... looked pretty good inMaybe so.
this tournament... for a moment it looked like everything had clicked
together.
Well, baby steps, baby.
I keep seeing when players, as they come up, reach what looks like their
max development. This is not to say that there are no cases where
someone appears maxxed out, but then something clicks and they get
notably better. But I think about Rublev, Sakkari, Shapovolov,
Tsitsi--people like that. Rybakina is probably one, also, but fortunate enough to play a world-class choker for a major final.
So this made me wonder if that's what I'm seeing with Fernandez.
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 20.59:I'll have to watch more. It looks like you've seen more of her, so I
On 9/22/23 10:10 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 19.43:So we've got two cases potentially. One where she had comebacks based
On 9/22/23 9:26 AM, TT wrote:
Sawfish kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 3.04:
On 9/21/23 4:36 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:33:23 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/21/23 3:09 PM, TT wrote:
But you know, at least Leylah's hand doesn't tremble onjdeluise kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 0.59:When Kenin was formerly good, before her big slump, I always
TT <T...@dprk.kp> writes:longevity... no, not at all...
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 22.35:Sounds like it. Good thing they're not playing S/V eh?
TT kirjoitti 21.9.2023 klo 20.34:4-6, 7-6... off to the deciding set... after over 2 hours. >>>>>>>>>>>
She'll be playing the quarters in less than two hours - >>>>>>>>>>>>> againstShit umpire... basically gifted Kenin the break. Plus a >>>>>>>>>>>> netcord to
Kenin.
boot. Damn.
Tough match!
Otherwise
someone would have been hauled out on a stretched by now! ;) >>>>>>>>> Hahaha. I'm sure Pete is not making excuses for his lack of
Kenin won 3rd set 6-1. Terrible 3rd set for Leylah, completely >>>>>>>>> went
away. Maybe the heat.
Leylah hit 35 winners 18 errors I think.
15 aces, 8 df. Never seen her serve this BIG. So that's a big >>>>>>>>> positive
for the future. Great match for the first two sets...
Bleh. Off to doubles I guess.
Kenin hits quite a lot great shots, many of them feel somehow >>>>>>>>> lucky
though, lots of lines & stuff. Not very fond of these ball
bashing hit
winner or miss type of players...
had the
impression that she was at constant redline to achieve
victories against
high-level players.
I feel the same way about Fernandez after watching her since
that USO
run when she lost in the finals to Raducanu. Fernandez *has* to >>>>>>>> play at
the margin to win against top 10 players, and over time, the
odds are
against her without some help from those self-same players.
Sabelenka is
particularly generous in this regard.
championship point. That' the red flag you really have to look
out for.
Oh, I really like and admire Fernandez's courage and competitive
focus, but somehow there's just not enough game there.
Surprisingly good at things like serve, and yet not *quite*
enough goods.
Her serve was great only at this last tournament... she has had
MASSIVE problems with her serve the past few months, mainly the toss. >>>>>
I can't deny that she tends to redline when playing well...
although I think her game is more powerful than people give credit
for... just great timing and taking the ball early.
I think she is constantly improving and is still far from a
finished product. Imo she tends to make lots of tactical errors,
choice of shots, going too much etc. Would have had better results
this year if not for her recent serve problems. She's added some
consistency, dropshots, slice...and some skills at the net with
doubles play. Still missing a solid smash. Forgot to use her
toolbox yesterday though, I think I saw only one dropshot... well,
maybe Kenin's flat linelickers are not that great for droppers.
She also returned from the baseline yesterday, while previously
she has returned 2nd serves almost inside service box. I think she
should have mixed it a bit... changing her return placement on
occasion.
I would expect her to have much better next year. May take a
couple more years for her to realize her full potential.
Not sure if her coaches are any good, the father certainly wasn't
since she couldn't do a dropshot /smash etc.
Like I said, my feeling is that she's redlining routinely, and
that this gets her only to the quarters/semis, except for that
one run two years ago. So this would imply that she needs just a
bit more, but it's just not physically available.
I replied above...
I mean, her head is certainly not the problem, is it? :^)
Could be.
She's certainly losing awful lot 3 setters and tie-breaks
nowadays. May have something to do with her recent serving
troubles too.
It seems equally possible that the reason that she's losing tight
matches whereas before she had often own them--it was a *notable*
strength--is that she was, and is redlining (I'm not sure that I
agree with you that she has improved over 2 years ago, but I
haven't seen a lot of her lately), and that the other tour players,
who were somewhat buffaloed by the fact that she did not go away
when she is down, are now much less buffaloed. If this is accurate,
it would mean that her mental/physical level has remained constant
over two years, but that her opponents' *mental* level versus her
is much improved. This means that she has lost one of her main
advantages--the intimidation that a very persistent and mental
tough player brings to the match.
Please bear in mind, TT, that she has been one of my favorites to
watch. I've made it a point to find and watch her matches, when
they are readily available. So these criticisms are not from a
position of dislike or disrespect. They are tinged with sad regret.
She is very tough--it is inspiring to see someone like that competing. >>>>
There's that, but I think that the biggest change is that the other
It's probably much easier to play pressure free at your first big
run at a slam vs when you later expect it from yourself.
players no longer worry about playing her in a tight match, as they
once did.
When did they... She made some great comebacks at USO. But nobody
knew then about her comebacks.
on determination before anyone worried that she could do this, then
afterward, when she had established this intimidating toughness.
I'll have to watch. It's true that I haven't seen enough of her
I don't think it's that.
She's tough all right, but not as tough as it seemed back then.
She's feeling the pressure more, and losses chip away confidence.
She's making wrong shot choices etc.
lately to judge her shot selection. As you say, it could be a major
factor.
I do think that she'll sort it out with time... looked pretty goodMaybe so.
in this tournament... for a moment it looked like everything had
clicked together.
Well, baby steps, baby.
I keep seeing when players, as they come up, reach what looks like
their max development. This is not to say that there are no cases
where someone appears maxxed out, but then something clicks and they
get notably better. But I think about Rublev, Sakkari, Shapovolov,
Tsitsi--people like that. Rybakina is probably one, also, but
fortunate enough to play a world-class choker for a major final.
So this made me wonder if that's what I'm seeing with Fernandez.
So you think she's maybe maxed out?
I think she's still learning and improving. Sometimes when that's theI'll have to watch.
case results don't come immediately.
At least she's obviously trying to improve and add stuff to her game.
Playing doubles and experimenting different tactics.
A while back she was coming to net a lot. Returning aggressively
standing on service box. Using more drop shots. Slicing with bh.
Now she was not doing any of that but was serving bombs, not serving
soft serves at all.
So I think she's trying to improve AND to find the right balance with
her game tactics. Admitted, it seems a bit odd that sometimes she
plays entirely differently depending on a month... is that
experimenting, implementing, sticking to coach's tactics or what I
don't know. Maybe she needs a better coach. Anyway this week looked
very promising... she looked like a top 10 player easy.
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn to shit.
Gracchus kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 1.22:
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn to shit.Kenin then, of course, loses to 25 year old career best ranking 99
Caroline Dolehide.
Dolehide loses the final and rises 69 spots from #111 to #42!
Leylah rises from #74 to 60. Yippie fucking yay.
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final. American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin? She looks a bit like it.
"How Common Is The Last Name Dolehide?
It is the 2,352,516th most numerous family name at a global level, borne
by approximately 1 in 110,417,362 people. The surname occurs mostly in
The Americas, where 100 percent of Dolehide are found"
Gracchus kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 1.22:Interesting for you to ask, TT. As a Finn, and English not being your
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a
couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn to
shit.
Kenin then, of course, loses to 25 year old career best ranking 99
Caroline Dolehide.
Dolehide loses the final and rises 69 spots from #111 to #42!
Leylah rises from #74 to 60. Yippie fucking yay.
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin?
She looks a bit like it.Hard to know. Maybe you are right.
"How Common Is The Last Name Dolehide?
It is the 2,352,516th most numerous family name at a global level,
borne by approximately 1 in 110,417,362 people. The surname occurs
mostly in The Americas, where 100 percent of Dolehide are found"
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 1.22:So did the heroic "Sacheen Littlefeather."
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play a couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn to shit.Kenin then, of course, loses to 25 year old career best ranking 99
Caroline Dolehide.
Dolehide loses the final and rises 69 spots from #111 to #42!
Leylah rises from #74 to 60. Yippie fucking yay.
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin? She looks a bit like it.
Turns out she was a world-class fraud with less Native blood than Liz Warren.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Sacheen-Littlefeather-oscar-Native-pretendian-17520648.php
"How Common Is The Last Name Dolehide?Makes me think of Francis Dolarhyde from "Red Dragon" AKA "Manhunter."
It is the 2,352,516th most numerous family name at a global level, borne
by approximately 1 in 110,417,362 people. The surname occurs mostly in
The Americas, where 100 percent of Dolehide are found"
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.Interesting for you to ask, TT. As a Finn, and English not being your
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin?
first language (I assume), what about the name makes you lean in that direction?
On 9/23/23 9:40 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 1.22:So did the heroic "Sacheen Littlefeather."
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play aKenin then, of course, loses to 25 year old career best ranking 99
couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn to
shit.
Caroline Dolehide.
Dolehide loses the final and rises 69 spots from #111 to #42!
Leylah rises from #74 to 60. Yippie fucking yay.
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin? She looks a bit like it.
Hah, hah!
What a transparent farce, but you know, at the time, when we were less cynical (more young)...
Sawfish kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 19.33:
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.Interesting for you to ask, TT. As a Finn, and English not being your
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin?
first language (I assume), what about the name makes you lean in that
direction?
Three things:
1. Very rare name, one site claimed there are only 60 Dolehides, all
in USA
2. "hide" (as in animal skin)
3. She looks a bit like one
I guess "dole" also qualifies for Indians. Ha-ha-ha
Sawfish kirjoitti 24.9.2023 klo 19.34:
On 9/23/23 9:40 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 1.22:So did the heroic "Sacheen Littlefeather."
But these kind of players don't win many slams because they play aKenin then, of course, loses to 25 year old career best ranking 99
couple matches where they're invincible and just as quickly turn
to shit.
Caroline Dolehide.
Dolehide loses the final and rises 69 spots from #111 to #42!
Leylah rises from #74 to 60. Yippie fucking yay.
Well, Dolehide did beat some decent players on her way to the final.
American amazon. Wonder if the name "Dolehide" is of Native American
origin? She looks a bit like it.
Hah, hah!
What a transparent farce, but you know, at the time, when we were
less cynical (more young)...
Gracs' linked article had the YT video. I read some of the comments
there and about everyone wished her well for her courage etc. Nobody
seemed to know about her real origin. One commenter did, far as I
could stand to read the nonsense.
The face of Roger Moore is worth the watch, and then him looking at
Liv Ullman when "Sacheen" shows with her hand that she won't take the
trophy.
Goddamn Roger Moore looks snappy in a suit. If there's anyone to whom
wearing a suit fits...
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