https://youtube.com/shorts/237PRv5tB-A?si=GDoD9RY-zQ6mGEPi
On 19/09/2023 11:15 pm, *skriptis wrote:
https://youtube.com/shorts/237PRv5tB-A?si=GDoD9RY-zQ6mGEPi
It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have huge egos
so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after Nadal won
2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have won' or
something similar. The margins are pretty small at this level. Nadal
knows he can beat Novak and vice versa, because it's true. That's why
they all think they are better, because on a good day they are.
Last year Nadal would have been feeling on top of the world. He held
the slam record by 2 and in his mind he had a good chance to win a
calendar slam, get to maybe 24 slams while Novak stuck on 20. It's
crazy to think Novak won 4 of the last 5 slams he entered since, and was
very close to 5/5.
Imagine if Nadal somehow wins at 2024 AO and FO to get to 24. Can't
rule it out even though now seems unlikely : )
https://youtube.com/shorts/237PRv5tB-A?si=GDoD9RY-zQ6mGEPi
On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 10:43:40 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:> On 19/09/2023 11:15 pm, *skriptis wrote: > > https://youtube.com/shorts/237PRv5tB-A?si=GDoD9RY-zQ6mGEPi > > > > > > > > > It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have hugeegos > so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after Nadal won > 2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have won' or > something similar. The margins are pretty small at this level. Nadal > knows he can beat Novak and vice versa,
It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have huge egos so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after Nadal won 2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have won' or something similar. The margins are prettysmall at this level. Nadal knows he can beat Novak and vice versa, because it's true. That's why they all think they are better, because on a good day they are.Last year Nadal would have been feeling on top of the world. He held the slam record by 2
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:rsmall at this level. Nadal knows he can beat Novak and vice versa, because it's true. That's why they all think they are better, because on a good day they are.Last year Nadal would have been feeling on top of the world. He held the slam record by 2
It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have huge egos so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after Nadal won 2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have won' or something similar. The margins are pretty
Yeah, as you say, they're all trying to spin it to make themselves look better or if not that, then just appear "more objective".
Imo I don't think he's said anything really outrageous here, if it was a private chit chat and he told you the same, it wouldn't register.
But publicly it all feels different and carries some weight.
First if all, the word frustration is very loaded. That's a big no to use. He could have used motivation or drive or something else.
It does feel bitchy.
Secondly, even if he had managed to use a different and better word, the truth is that Nadal should keep his mouth shut, because he's only Nadal.
He's not Djokovic, he doesn't know how Djokovic feels or how much he's is or would have been frustrated or driven.
Nobody knows that.
If we go by the fact, and those are:chase. So Nadal doesn't have a point here. A frustrated or merely a player who chooses record quest over anything and everything would not have done that. So why say it?
1. Djokovic willingly sacrificed slam chase, he could have been out of the game indefinitely due to COVID hoax. In the end he lost a shot at only two slams so he's good. But this alone makes it clear that Djokovic has even higher priorities than slam
2. Approach to medicine, Djokovic kinda wasted 2 years struggling with elbow and motivation opting for natural healing before he chose to do a surgery. What if did it earlier we might have had no 2017 Fedal resurgence?noticed decline in motivation so he left. In fact I remember Becker was hesitant to join Djokovic camp in late 2013 in the first place as he wasn't sure Djokovic was driven enough? Imo Becker judged him by the 1980s standard. For Becker's point if view,
If anything I believe Djokovic was burnt following his NCYGS and completion of CGS so he needed a rest and a reset, and I believe "hiding" behind an injury allowed him to spend some period not pursuing records or playing at top of his game. Becker
Anyway regarding medicine, point being, Djokovic opted for natural approach waiting for 2 years before choosing a surgical knife, while Nadal himself injects all sorts of stuff in foot and killing his nerves there so that he could play (and win). Hewas praised for his effort in winning his record 22nd slam and 14th FO last year. On one foot and dead nerve. Just ask TT.
Who knows, it's very likely that Djokovic's approach actually helped him to last longer, preserve his body and that he was indeed more driven to success, opting long-term success over short term. And that he got it right. Vax thing could fit here aswell.
But still, just by looking it on the paper, one guy delaying surgery for two years, the other one says "bring it on kill my foot nerve so that I don't feel pain" doesn't really feel right to say that first guy is more obsessed, especially coming fromthis second guy.
And if indeed Djokovic wanted it more, then Nadal really is a loser as Djokovic outwilled him and even more hilarious slam record wasn't even Djokovic's first priority. So the rankings would be...
1. Djokovic's desire to stay free and independent (reject vax and forego slams)
2. Djokovic's desire to get the slam record
3. Nadal's desire to get a slam record
;)
Actually Nadal should have started bitching about surface discrepancy in tennis, just throw a bone out there, what if there were 2 clay slams and 1 on HC?
Or if everything was truly equal, only 3 slams, 1 per surface
He'd get a lot of support.
That's much more logical way to try to bring confusion into this slam chase
Let's see it.
Nadal averages 3 slams on HC, 2 on grass and 14 on clay. 19 in total.
Djokovic averages 7 slams on HC, 7 on grass, 3 on clay. 17 in total.
Federer averages 5.5 slams on HC, 8 on grass, 1 on clay. Let's round it up to 15.
So this is what Nadal should do.
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:rsmall at this level. Nadal knows he can beat Novak and vice versa, because it's true. That's why they all think they are better, because on a good day they are.Last year Nadal would have been feeling on top of the world. He held the slam record by 2
It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have huge egos so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after Nadal won 2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have won' or something similar. The margins are pretty
Yeah, as you say, they're all trying to spin it to make themselves look better or if not that, then just appear "more objective".
Imo I don't think he's said anything really outrageous here, if it was a private chit chat and he told you the same, it wouldn't register.
But publicly it all feels different and carries some weight.
First if all, the word frustration is very loaded. That's a big no to use. He could have used motivation or drive or something else.
It does feel bitchy.
Secondly, even if he had managed to use a different and better word, the truth is that Nadal should keep his mouth shut, because he's only Nadal.
He's not Djokovic, he doesn't know how Djokovic feels or how much he's is or would have been frustrated or driven.
Nobody knows that.
If we go by the fact, and those are:chase. So Nadal doesn't have a point here. A frustrated or merely a player who chooses record quest over anything and everything would not have done that. So why say it?
1. Djokovic willingly sacrificed slam chase, he could have been out of the game indefinitely due to COVID hoax. In the end he lost a shot at only two slams so he's good. But this alone makes it clear that Djokovic has even higher priorities than slam
2. Approach to medicine, Djokovic kinda wasted 2 years struggling with elbow and motivation opting for natural healing before he chose to do a surgery. What if did it earlier we might have had no 2017 Fedal resurgence?noticed decline in motivation so he left. In fact I remember Becker was hesitant to join Djokovic camp in late 2013 in the first place as he wasn't sure Djokovic was driven enough? Imo Becker judged him by the 1980s standard. For Becker's point if view,
If anything I believe Djokovic was burnt following his NCYGS and completion of CGS so he needed a rest and a reset, and I believe "hiding" behind an injury allowed him to spend some period not pursuing records or playing at top of his game. Becker
Anyway regarding medicine, point being, Djokovic opted for natural approach waiting for 2 years before choosing a surgical knife, while Nadal himself injects all sorts of stuff in foot and killing his nerves there so that he could play (and win). Hewas praised for his effort in winning his record 22nd slam and 14th FO last year. On one foot and dead nerve. Just ask TT.
Who knows, it's very likely that Djokovic's approach actually helped him to last longer, preserve his body and that he was indeed more driven to success, opting long-term success over short term. And that he got it right. Vax thing could fit here aswell.
But still, just by looking it on the paper, one guy delaying surgery for two years, the other one says "bring it on kill my foot nerve so that I don't feel pain" doesn't really feel right to say that first guy is more obsessed, especially coming fromthis second guy.
And if indeed Djokovic wanted it more, then Nadal really is a loser as Djokovic outwilled him and even more hilarious slam record wasn't even Djokovic's first priority. So the rankings would be...
1. Djokovic's desire to stay free and independent (reject vax and forego slams)
2. Djokovic's desire to get the slam record
3. Nadal's desire to get a slam record
;)
Actually Nadal should have started bitching about surface discrepancy in tennis, just throw a bone out there, what if there were 2 clay slams and 1 on HC?
Or if everything was truly equal, only 3 slams, 1 per surface
He'd get a lot of support.
That's much more logical way to try to bring confusion into this slam chase
Let's see it.
Nadal averages 3 slams on HC, 2 on grass and 14 on clay. 19 in total.
Djokovic averages 7 slams on HC, 7 on grass, 3 on clay. 17 in total.
Federer averages 5.5 slams on HC, 8 on grass, 1 on clay. Let's round it up to 15.
So this is what Nadal should do.
On 22/09/2023 8:45 pm, *skriptis wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
It's fun watching these reactions as all tennis players have huge
egos so they will slant a pov to their benefit. Novak said after
Nadal won 2022 AO 'with all respect to Nadal I think I would have
won' or something similar. The margins are pretty small at this
level. Nadal knows he can beat Novak and vice versa, because it's
true. That's why they all think they are better, because on a good
day they are.Last year Nadal would have been feeling on top of the
world. He held the slam record by 2 and in his mind he had a good
chance to win a calendar slam, get to maybe 24 slams while Novak
stuck on 20. It's crazy to think Novak won 4 of the last 5 slams he
entered since, and was very close to 5/5.Imagine if Nadal somehow
wins at 2024 AO and FO to get to 24. Can't rule it out even though
now seems unlikely : )
Yeah, as you say, they're all trying to spin it to make themselves
look better or if not that, then just appear "more objective".
Imo I don't think he's said anything really outrageous here, if it
was a private chit chat and he told you the same, it wouldn't register.
But publicly it all feels different and carries some weight.
First if all, the word frustration is very loaded. That's a big no to
use. He could have used motivation or drive or something else.
It does feel bitchy.
Secondly, even if he had managed to use a different and better word,
the truth is that Nadal should keep his mouth shut, because he's only
Nadal.
He's not Djokovic, he doesn't know how Djokovic feels or how much
he's is or would have been frustrated or driven.
Nobody knows that.
If we go by the fact, and those are:
1. Djokovic willingly sacrificed slam chase, he could have been out
of the game indefinitely due to COVID hoax. In the end he lost a shot
at only two slams so he's good. But this alone makes it clear that
Djokovic has even higher priorities than slam chase. So Nadal doesn't
have a point here. A frustrated or merely a player who chooses record
quest over anything and everything would not have done that. So why
say it?
2. Approach to medicine, Djokovic kinda wasted 2 years struggling
with elbow and motivation opting for natural healing before he chose
to do a surgery. What if did it earlier we might have had no 2017
Fedal resurgence?
If anything I believe Djokovic was burnt following his NCYGS and
completion of CGS so he needed a rest and a reset, and I believe
"hiding" behind an injury allowed him to spend some period not
pursuing records or playing at top of his game. Becker noticed
decline in motivation so he left. In fact I remember Becker was
hesitant to join Djokovic camp in late 2013 in the first place as he
wasn't sure Djokovic was driven enough? Imo Becker judged him by the
1980s standard. For Becker's point if view, Djokovic in late 2013,
nearing 27 years, former #1, 6-time slam champion, lost many recent
slam finals, this guy is going down...is what probably Becker felt.
Anyway regarding medicine, point being, Djokovic opted for natural
approach waiting for 2 years before choosing a surgical knife, while
Nadal himself injects all sorts of stuff in foot and killing his
nerves there so that he could play (and win). He was praised for his
effort in winning his record 22nd slam and 14th FO last year. On one
foot and dead nerve. Just ask TT.
Who knows, it's very likely that Djokovic's approach actually helped
him to last longer, preserve his body and that he was indeed more
driven to success, opting long-term success over short term. And that
he got it right. Vax thing could fit here as well.
But still, just by looking it on the paper, one guy delaying surgery
for two years, the other one says "bring it on kill my foot nerve so
that I don't feel pain" doesn't really feel right to say that first
guy is more obsessed, especially coming from this second guy.
And if indeed Djokovic wanted it more, then Nadal really is a loser
as Djokovic outwilled him and even more hilarious slam record wasn't
even Djokovic's first priority. So the rankings would be...
1. Djokovic's desire to stay free and independent (reject vax and
forego slams)
2. Djokovic's desire to get the slam record
3. Nadal's desire to get a slam record
;)
Actually Nadal should have started bitching about surface discrepancy
in tennis, just throw a bone out there, what if there were 2 clay
slams and 1 on HC?
Or if everything was truly equal, only 3 slams, 1 per surface
He'd get a lot of support.
That's much more logical way to try to bring confusion into this slam
chase
Let's see it.
Nadal averages 3 slams on HC, 2 on grass and 14 on clay. 19 in total.
Djokovic averages 7 slams on HC, 7 on grass, 3 on clay. 17 in total.
Federer averages 5.5 slams on HC, 8 on grass, 1 on clay. Let's round
it up to 15.
So this is what Nadal should do.
There's nothing Nadal could have said that would be ok with everyone.
If he turned into a Novak fanboy and said yes Novak is the best by far
etc everyone would be saying he's trying too hard and not showing his
true feelings.
'Imo' Nadal meant it as a slight, as if 'wanting it too much' somehow
lessens the feat, and if he himself wanted it that badly he could have
won more lol. They all want it badly no doubt about it. 'wanting it
too much' is a sign of greatness in my book.
 Who wants to idolize players who don't really want it that much?Surely you can afford a better grade of porn, Whisp.
That's like a porn star who can barely manage a semi mongrel.
Imagine if Nadal somehow wins at 2024 AO and FO to get to 24. Can't
rule it out even though now seems unlikely : )
On 19.9.2023 16.15, *skriptis wrote:
https://youtube.com/shorts/237PRv5tB-A?si=GDoD9RY-zQ6mGEPi
Such much bitchy.
I would not be surprised if Nadal retired pretty
soon.
I would love to see Nadal winning FO 2024, but
this long absence and his wasted body do not
give Nadal fans much hope.
It went all wrong way when they started burning his nerves in the leg. Crazy doctors.
Anyway, doesn't matter whether he has 14 or 15 RG titles. That record will never be broken.
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Imagine if Nadal somehow wins at 2024 AO and FO to get to 24. Can't
rule it out even though now seems unlikely : )
I usually do not make any tennis predictions, but this
time I cannot resist. I am 99,99% sure that Nadal
will not win any GS singles titles in the future.
That includes the French Open. His injuries are
apparently killing him and his leg is so bad that
he needs strong pain killer injections to remove the
pain.
He's been off the tour for so long now, and even
for a legendary champion like Nadal, the possibility
of a successful comeback is very slim.
I would not be surprised if Nadal retired pretty
soon.
I would love to see Nadal winning FO 2024, but
this long absence and his wasted body do not
give Nadal fans much hope.
br,
KK
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 23.45:
I would not be surprised if Nadal retired pretty
soon.
Yes
I would love to see Nadal winning FO 2024, but
this long absence and his wasted body do not
give Nadal fans much hope.
Yes, there's really no point in even trying. It's unlikely that he could
find his form AND be physically fit. It went all wrong way when they
started burning his nerves in the leg. Crazy doctors. Well, at least
they didn't cut his dick out like the doctors nowadays do.
Anyway, doesn't matter whether he has 14 or 15 RG titles. That record
will never be broken.
On 23/09/2023 5:26 pm, TT wrote:> Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 22.9.2023 klo 23.45:>> I would not be surprised if Nadal retired pretty>> soon.>>> > Yes> >> I would love to see Nadal winning FO 2024, but>> this long absence and his wasted body do not>>give Nadal fans much hope.> > Yes, there's really no point in even trying. It's unlikely that he could > find his form AND be physically fit. It went all wrong way when they > started burning his nerves in the leg. Crazy doctors. Well, at least > they
kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:
In today's teletext news Nadal just said that his leg is so bad it
almost prevents him from climbing up the stairs.
His body is fucking wasted and the comeback, if it ever even happens,
will be a fucking disaster.
OK, but Nadal is known for such statements.
kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:
In today's teletext news Nadal just said that his leg is so bad it
almost prevents him from climbing up the stairs.
His body is fucking wasted and the comeback, if it ever even happens,
will be a fucking disaster.
OK, but Nadal is known for such statements.
In today's teletext news Nadal just said that his leg is so bad it
almost prevents him from climbing up the stairs.
His body is fucking wasted and the comeback, if it ever even happens,
will be a fucking disaster.
If he has a bad injury he wouldn't be talking comebacks.
Well, it has been obvious to me for quite some time that he is finished with tennis.
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