Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all
KK
WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:13:02 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,And if you have a child that liked one of these players and wants to be like him, are you okay having your child to take all this shit?
KK
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
KK
and timely use.
There. How's that?Haha.
Doping is pretty unhealthy. Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:Haha.
Hello!I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
Doping is pretty unhealthy.
Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.
On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 11:13:02 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
yes they should have zero doping rules in tennis cos performance enhancing drugs don't help much anyway, the top levels a large part if mental, so the drugs don't help much, all we'd have is some more players like Shapo so would be entertaining too!
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all
WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:13:02 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
And if you have a child that liked one of these players
and wants to be like him, are you okay having your
child to take all this shit?
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
Haha.
Doping is pretty unhealthy. Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all >> WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
Haha.
Doping is pretty unhealthy. Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.It is an incorrect generalization to claim that
doping is pretty unhealthy. Why?
First, because there are many forms of doping,
some safer, some more dangerous than others.
Second, when you are a wealthy athlete, you
have access to medical supervision. Many
doctors know what kind of substances are safe and
they also know the proper dosage that is safe to
take.
But if you go overboard with your usage, you
will get sick and die. Just look at those
fucking body builders who have died young.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is an incorrect generalization to claim that
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Hello!I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all >> >> WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper
and timely use.
There. How's that?
Haha.
Doping is pretty unhealthy. Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.
doping is pretty unhealthy. Why?
First, because there are many forms of doping,
some safer, some more dangerous than others.
Second, when you are a wealthy athlete, you
have access to medical supervision. Many
doctors know what kind of substances are safe and
they also know the proper dosage that is safe to
take.
Maybe. If it's not unhealthy then it's Ok. It's then like vitamins. But many athletes do it regardless of the heath issues, just don't want to be caught.
But if you go overboard with your usage, you
will get sick and die. Just look at those
fucking body builders who have died young.
Or became governor of a large US state :-0
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:Maybe. If it's not unhealthy then it's Ok. It's then like vitamins. But many athletes do it regardless of the heath issues, just don't want to be caught.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 8:04:38 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is an incorrect generalization to claim that
On 9/15/23 3:12 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:Haha.
Hello!I'd go so far as to propose that high-level doping be *required* for all >>>> WTA and APT players; the organizations, themselves, should act as
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
So let's just enjoy watching good matches and
stop caring about doping. They are all doing it,
and they have been doing it for decades.
Both ITF and ATP know this fully well, but they do
not care because it is in their best interest to
show us best tennis possible and they also want to
make as much money as possible.
The best and most expensive doping products must
be so-called "designer drugs". Even if the players
go to doping tests, these substances cannot be
detected.
br,
KK
supplier. The players would have to periodically test to verify proper >>>> and timely use.
There. How's that?
Doping is pretty unhealthy. Barry Bonds could have been one of the baseball GOATs without it.
doping is pretty unhealthy. Why?
First, because there are many forms of doping,
some safer, some more dangerous than others.
Second, when you are a wealthy athlete, you
have access to medical supervision. Many
doctors know what kind of substances are safe and
they also know the proper dosage that is safe to
take.
But if you go overboard with your usage, youOr became governor of a large US state :-0
will get sick and die. Just look at those
fucking body builders who have died young.
Hello!
Instead of hating and despising doping, we should
love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to
answer.
It is like in many other sports, doping enhances
atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis
players use forbidden substances to improve
their performance, we the spectators get to
enjoy better tennis. That is great for us.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping enhances >atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
MBDunc made himself again wisest of the all and Wrote in message:renhances > atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping
This is what you believe, but you can't say all top stars do dope without having something that supports this claim.
When we use word "dope", we mean illegal substances, so anything else isn't considered doping and shouldn't be used to make such statement.
Of course I think the same like you at times but I know there is no proof that supports this and I opt to believe we have an efficient working system.
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:renhances > atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping
This is what you believe, but you can't say all top stars do dope without having something that supports this claim.
When we use word "dope", we mean illegal substances, so anything else isn't considered doping and shouldn't be used to make such statement.
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:rborderline illegal or currently allowed.Worst part: some biggest stars have a proven history that they have been too big to fall.- Agassi in his own book with meth- Carl Lewis with later confession of his hidden substance use of 1988 Olympic trials-
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping enhancesatheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
This is what you believe, but you can't say all top stars do dope without having something that supports this claim.
When we use word "dope", we mean illegal substances, so anything else isn't considered doping and shouldn't be used to make such statement.
Of course I think the same like you at times but I know there is no proof that supports this and I opt to believe we have an efficient working system.
On 9/16/23 7:25 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:enhances > atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping
This is what you believe, but you can't say all top stars do dope without having something that supports this claim.
When we use word "dope", we mean illegal substances, so anything else isn't considered doping and shouldn't be used to make such statement.
Of course I think the same like you at times but I know there is no proof that supports this and I opt to believe we have an efficient working system.
I, too, think the system is fine; this debate is much ado aboutLol
nothing, a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
;^)
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Barbecue grills on fire behind the condominiums that line the 9th fairway.
I watched casual strollers slip on dog excrement on the boardwalk near the amusement pier.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Time for lunch.
--Sawfish
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:25:28 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:enhances > atheletes' performance. Because all good tennis > players use forbidden substances to improve > their performance, we the spectators get to > enjoy better tennis. That is great for us. All major top sport stars do dope.Methods might be illegal,
MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:13:02 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Hello! > > Instead of hating and despising doping, we should > love it in tennis. Why? Well, it is quite easy to > answer. > > It is like in many other sports, doping
1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.This is what you believe, but you can't say all top stars do dope without having something that supports this claim.
When we use word "dope", we mean illegal substances, so anything else isn't considered doping and shouldn't be used to make such statement.Illegal for what sense? for medical purposes there already are tons of exclusions starting from asthmatic cure.
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed" event
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed" event
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikkoI think we all know what we are discussing.
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed" event
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno.....mikkoI think we all know what we are discussing.
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno.....mikkoI think we all know what we are discussing.
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikkoThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
the iceberg.Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno.....mikkoI think we all know what we are discussing.
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikkoThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tip of
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:10:46 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: >> > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tipThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
Halep suspended, Sharapova retired because of suspension, ... and many others.
How does this suggest that everyone is doping and wada and atp are fine with it?
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:10:46 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tipThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
Halep suspended, Sharapova retired because of suspension, ... and many others.
How does this suggest that everyone is doping and wada and atp are fine with it?
Halep and Sharapova did something wrong that made ITF
and ATP angry. Maybe they got too greedy? So they were
sacrificed as example cases. The money pigs sent a
message to the other players, essentially saying:
"Obey us or this will happen to you too".
And most of them will obey, since they know they
are using doping and could be exposed.
br,
KK
I couldn't care less that all top pro athletes are doping. In fact, I think it should be legalized. It's absolutely impossible that these players could be doing what they're doing without some medical assistance.something to the effect--don't get me started on how prevalent PED use is in pro tennis.
If you really look into it, you'll see a lot of people in the know have made comments implying that all the top players use PEDS. Noah Rubin(a retired tennis pro) is one of many. He made a comment on social media now that he's retired that said
I've posted about it before but we have a friend who is an agent in NY for a lot of sports stars and he said it's a dirty secret that all top pro athletes dope. It's a given in the high-pressure environments they're competing in. The corporate execs inthose industries don't want this fact to be common knowledge in the public arena for obvious reasons($$$$$$$!) I'd be more shocked if you told me top player X "doesn't" dope.
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:10:46 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tipThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
Halep suspended, Sharapova retired because of suspension, ... and many others.
How does this suggest that everyone is doping and wada and atp are fine with it?
Halep and Sharapova did something wrong that made ITF
and ATP angry. Maybe they got too greedy? So they were
sacrificed as example cases. The money pigs sent a
message to the other players, essentially saying:
"Obey us or this will happen to you too".
And most of them will obey, since they know they
are using doping and could be exposed.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
the iceberg.Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno.....mikkoI think we all know what we are discussing.
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikkoThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tip of
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 07:10:46 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: >> > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tipThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
oh yes crystal meth is such a performance booster, if you want to play like a zombie the next day perhaps you'd take meth, this is just Mikko being funny!
On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 20:59:39 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:needed" event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:10:46 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power
tip of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only theThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Halep and Sharapova did something wrong that made ITF
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
Halep suspended, Sharapova retired because of suspension, ... and many others.
How does this suggest that everyone is doping and wada and atp are fine with it?
and ATP angry. Maybe they got too greedy? So they were
sacrificed as example cases. The money pigs sent a
message to the other players, essentially saying:
"Obey us or this will happen to you too".
And most of them will obey, since they know they
are using doping and could be exposed.
you're deeply into conspiracy theories aren't you! do you reckon Roswell alien is involved in all this doping of tennis stars too? LOLski
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 07:10:46 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power needed"
of the iceberg.Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the tipThere is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->.
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly.
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
oh yes crystal meth is such a performance booster, if you want to play like a zombie the next day perhaps you'd take meth, this is just Mikko being funny!Hey, man, get real! The Finnish war veterans have
told that a strong pill of meth would wake up even
a dead person. It is a huge performance booster indeed.
Agassi was often on meth when he played tennis. It
helped him immensely on court.
It is the same nowadays. The top tennis professionals
are all using doping. I have no problem with it. Let
them compete and be the versions of themselves.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:needed" event 1956-1976 whether it was lifting or throwing.
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 07:10:46 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 3:23:54 PM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote: >> > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:42:17 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Harold Connolly USA hammer throw OG winner (1956) was a founder of steroids for sport use. He had a car crash accident he recovered with steroids and he thought --- these could be useful for my sport...). See progression of any "power
tip of the iceberg.There is a list, forbidden list, if you consider anything else that isn't in the list to be in the grey area, then it's fine, no rules are broken and this is far from what you said "all of them dope".No, I say : all top ones do everything: they enter "grey area " for sure, do they forward further? dunno....I think we all know what we are discussing.
Steroids' were illegal after 1975. Blood-dope illegal 1985->. >> > > > >
Other substances had been used already at early Olympics.
.mikko
There is a list of illegal substances, and athletes get tested regularly for violations.
When you say all of them dope, you are simply saying that we have fake system in place and whether they were found to be doping or not, it's all a big show.
I definitely fully disagree.
There is a fake system: big ones DO not get caught or revealed unless systematic violations. Too much money involved (see Agassi meth - example, they personally informed Agassi first and nothing in public breaking their own rules).
.mikko
Also, regarding Agassi, he is a jerk and attention seeker, clearly. >> Agassi may or may not be a jerk and attention-seeker but his book is one of the best-selling sports books of all time and what he said about his own failed drug test being covered up due to possible detrimental financial implications is only the
Anybody who doesn't see this fact must be stupid IMO.
oh yes crystal meth is such a performance booster, if you want to play like a zombie the next day perhaps you'd take meth, this is just Mikko being funny!Hey, man, get real! The Finnish war veterans have
told that a strong pill of meth would wake up even
a dead person. It is a huge performance booster indeed.
Agassi was often on meth when he played tennis. ItSo did Brooke :-)
helped him immensely on court.
[...] he wrote in his book that he tried taking
crystal meth one weekend and then failed a drugs
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