Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it?
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Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it?In Indian languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region).
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In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices in the country have typically stuck to titles such as President of India, Prime Minister of India and Chief Justice of India
It's not really a change of name, since the government has already been using both 'Bharat' and 'India', and it may probably be an attempt to go back to how it was in ancient times.
As to the reason behind this now, it's more a political move by the present Indian Govt. trying to shed Colonial and Imperialist impositions.
On 9/14/23 4:57 PM, Shakes wrote:while communicating in English, especially during and after the colonial regime.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it?In Indian languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region).
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In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices in the country have typically stuck to titles such as President of India, Prime Minister of India and Chief Justice of India
The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.It's not really a change of name, since the government has already been using both 'Bharat' and 'India', and it may probably be an attempt to go back to how it was in ancient times.
As to the reason behind this now, it's more a political move by the present Indian Govt. trying to shed Colonial and Imperialist impositions.Thanks for this background information, Shakes.
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian languagesand ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices in the
The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, otherthan India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst masses
It's interesting that in a lot of cases nations do not call other nations by the term recognized by persons living in that country. Japan is not Japan, but Nihon. To the French, England is Angleterre, etc.
On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 06:03:32 UTC+5:30, Sawfish wrote:India while communicating in English, especially during and after the colonial regime.
On 9/14/23 4:57 PM, Shakes wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it?In Indian languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region).
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In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices in the country have typically stuck to titles such as President of India, Prime Minister of India and Chief Justice of
It's not really a change of name, since the government has already been using both 'Bharat' and 'India', and it may probably be an attempt to go back to how it was in ancient times.
As to the reason behind this now, it's more a political move by the present Indian Govt. trying to shed Colonial and Imperialist impositions.Thanks for this background information, Shakes.
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--Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.
The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst masses
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usmanimail@gmail.com> Wrote in message:than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst masses
The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other
This. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like this, this is a big thing, if your opposition is INDIA then you have huge incentive to brand "Bharat" as more genuine,more patriotic, while labeling "India" as something associated with serving foreign interests or masters.
Got it now.
The other reason I see, even if this opposition thing wasn't happening, is simply a geographical switch. I kinda expected this to happen over the long term since India doesn't hold Indus river valley nowadays, their spiritual centre is on the Gangesriver, it's a sacred river for them, and Bharat name comes from that region...
India is a name that Greek or Persians applied to all of the subcontinent because they came from the West encountering that river first, just as other people, e.g. Vietnamese etc applied their own names from their sides.
So in a way, as India doesn't hold Indus river anymore and it's not such (or at all) sacred river, name Bharat, which comes from Ganges region is more genuine way for a present day India to apply that name for itself. I'd say?
Colonial British history aside.
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usmanimail@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter thesame, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like
On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usmanimail@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- TheIndian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for
On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the
Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!Well, as near as I can tell, it's how we in the US went from a goal
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
being a "color blind" nation to a nation of equality of outcome, as
measured against racial groups.
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:rso they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like this,
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same,
Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
C'mon, they have the biggest number of poor in the world, worst stories of rapes I heard about, and then their caste system, they should try to improve these instead of brainwashing the public.
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On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
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Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the
Tied with Haiti?Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!Isnt bungle dish the poorest country in the world, living in squalor?
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
C'mon, they have the biggest number of poor in the world, worst stories of rapes I heard about, and then their caste system, they should try to improve these instead of brainwashing the public.
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On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usmanimail@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- TheIndian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like this,
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same,
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:rso they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like this,
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r >
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same,
Haiti is independent since 1804.
They killed all whites (French) in revolution and secured their independence.
Their current status is the result of their success for the past 218 years.
It's a normal black majority country I think.
On 9/15/23 10:37 AM, *skriptis wrote:National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as
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On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian
It used to be "United States are..." but now it's "United States is..."
Is that not so?Linguistically, there's always been a debate on whether to inflexibly
apply verb agreement to any entity that can be considered plural, as in "United States". It's clearly plural, and so there are those who smugly insist on "The United States *are*...".
Similarly, they'd insist on "the committee *are*...".
But there are those who see the entity as unitary, whether or not it has separate pieces, and they'd use the singular. So it would be "The United States is", and "the committee is...".
But that's the superficial back story and I understand your intend--at
least I think I do, skript.
Since the end of the US Civil War the nation has been more and more centrally controlled so it's more realistic to use "is".
So it's not that rare to change the name of the country.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:rSeptember 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
OK, but plural vs. singular is not as big a change as Germany vs. Deuchland, say.One is grammar; the other is cunning lingustics :-)
Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it?
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OK, but plural vs. singular is not as big a change as Germany vs. Deuchland, say.One is grammar; the other is cunning lingustics :-)
It's the other way around?
Germany = Deutschland, just different languages.
OTOH plural vs singular for USA is a big deal imo.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > > Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance hasbranded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:rgenuine, more patriotic, while labeling "India" as something associated with serving foreign interests or masters.Got it now.The other reason I see, even if this opposition thing wasn't happening, is simply a geographical switch. I kinda expected this to
This. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like this, this is a big thing, if your opposition is INDIA then you have huge incentive to brand "Bharat" as more
Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
C'mon, they have the biggest number of poor in the world, worst stories of rapes I heard about, and then their caste system, they should try to improve these instead of brainwashing the public.
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OK, but plural vs. singular is not as big a change as Germany vs. Deuchland, say.One is grammar; the other is cunning lingustics :-)
It's the other way around?
Germany = Deutschland, just different languages.
OTOH plural vs singular for USA is a big deal imo.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:47:40 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:OK, i can agree.
OK, but plural vs. singular is not as big a change as Germany vs. Deuchland, say.One is grammar; the other is cunning lingustics :-)
It's the other way around?
Germany = Deutschland, just different languages.
OTOH plural vs singular for USA is a big deal imo.I get what you are saying. But it's not like the US as a country is falling apart.
Oh wait, maybe it is!
I get what you are saying. But it's not like the US as a country is falling apart.Oh wait, maybe it is!
Using your observational sensibilities, what were the reasons for this change?
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
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On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I need clarification/correction.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rlanguages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian
A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rUTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM
I guess it wasn't a real win then, more like buying their freedom?
Or had to pay to France for slaughtering French people and destruction they did and France simply decided to leave from there once everything was destroyed?
I'm sorry I couldn't read entire article.
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
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A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Using your observational sensibilities, what were the reasons for this change?
No need for my sensibilities, it's clear and known from history. ;)
King wanted to increase unity, stop divisions and solve social problems which were many in 1920s.
It was not an easy time. Economically but more importantly socially both inside the country and in the world.
Background is that all of Slovenes and most of Croats and only parts of Serbs were ruled by Germans, Hungarians and Italians for centuries.
Most Serbs otoh and some Croats were ruled by Turks for centuries.
That meant you have totally different sensibilities and groups, even if they were same religion.
Clash of central Europe vs Islam.
Additionally Serbs were victorious in ww1 and many of them saw Croats and Slovenes as losers as we've been part of defeated Austro-Hungarian empire. So they demanded respect as "liberators" of South Slavs.
You have to understand that Serbs were on a roll at the time, late 19th early 20rh century.
They've liberated themselves from Turks after 5 centuries. With their own blood.
Then they've won against Bulgaria before ww1, then they won against Germany and Austria-Hungary.
It's 2011 Djokovic's season for them at the time.
Imagine papa Djokovic issuing justice in 1920s and demanding you respect him?
You know that could have been tough and alienating.
But the question of the time was, was all of it Serbian war gain, or a unification of South Slavs on equal terms?
Additionally Serbs who are Orthodox Christians were uneasy in 1920s as Russia was destroyed in 1917 and communists overtook it. They had no natural backing thus they placed all of their cards into sort of unnatural friendship with UK and France, evenUSA, thus making Yugoslavia bullwark against Germany, since UK and France only cared about their interests. Naturally.
Croats having been ruled by Germans for centuries weren't necessarily that much anti-German as Serbs.
In short at the time, we were useful idiots for UK and France. Hitler who came later in 1930s would always hate the existence of Yugoslavia as he hated entire post ww1 structure, but he was especially angry at Yugoslav leadership who signed a non-agression pact with Germany on March 27, 1941 and the following day British backed coup happened with military deposing the regent of the time. So Hitler immediately invaded the country and dismantled it as both revenge, but also because as I said he
This Balkan campaign in spring 1941 delayed his invasion of Russia and might have saved it?
So it was complex in 1920s, both in country and abroad. Radicalism was on the rise, communists and fascists started getting more and more votes in election, political assassinations and so on so king abolished constitution and elections in 1929.perhaps even less than that, refering them to mere tribes.
He wanted to ease the tensions I guess and spread love and unity and build Yugoslav nation (Yugoslav nationality) to bind people more together and he wanted to reduce already established nations (Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) to mere ethnicities, and
So changing the name of the country as an additional step.territory, e.g. in roman empire era the region was often one political unit, as geography demands it so it's all there. One thing against it, is cultural and religious diversity.
Of course, that's not his idea, Yugoslav movement existed for centuries, country was created based on that movement and ideals. And in some ways such movement makes sense as the people are of similar blood, speak similar languages, they occupy same
Basically 19th century was a period in which Yugoslav idea was competiting vs other national ideas, Yugoslav idea was most strong in Croatia as we had more freedom under Germans than Serbs under Turks, but all our peoples were still occupied by theGermans, Hungarians and Turks at the time so each of them build their national ideas for themselves.
By the time colonial empires of Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey were destroyed, after ww1, it was probably already too late to create unified nation. State could perhaps exist, but not a nation.
The fact it was named Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes from the start in 1918 tells you that even then, Yugoslavia was more an ideal, than a reality.
Romania is a similar example, but two differences. Their unification happened in 19th century, so not too late. And all of them were of same religion. No diversity.
But Romania is just a 19th century project just as Germany, or Italy or Yugoslavia.
Fast forward, once communists took over during WW2 and created new/old country, they specifically chose variant of present day Marxist slogan in the US "diversity is our strength".Serbs are dominating. They also copied king's dictatorship. ;)
The weaker you are, the stronger you are is how communists see the world.
Tito (who was a communist who betrayed Stalin and was a British agent, probably even a mason) invented our own slogan "brotherhood and unity".
They tried to strengthen Yugoslavia by doing the opposite yet similar what king did 10-15 years before. Making the country stronger but now by making it more diverse and less unified thinking it will get more unified as people wouldn't see it as if the
Many claim they were guided by motto "weak Serbia = strong Yugoslavia".Serbs.
So they reverted and abandoned the Yugoslav idea, despite the country keeping such name, but they had established many more new nations, most of whom were creating by substracting from Serbs, thus diminishing (or at least they thought so) power of
So you ended up with Macedonians (an ancient region) or Monte Negro (black mountains), Moslems were recognised as a separate nation and so on.
This all heavily backfired in 1991 when socialism collapsed.
How do you split the country?
Do Serbs get all of which they brought in 1918 when country was founded?
Or was country founded in 1945?
Then you get first free elections after 1920s...leading to same outcomes for which the king abolished it in the first place. ;)
Basically a big pause button.
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian
A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Bharatmen? This is stupidest thing ever. Modi and his followers should get castrated.
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
Yes. And it lasted for a long time.I need clarification/correction.
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor >> over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few
American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just
like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But
because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to
inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:03:42 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian
A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Bharatmen? This is stupidest thing ever. Modi and his followers should get castrated.I have seen India called Bharat. Is this in any way correct?
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India#/media/File:Indian_cultural_zone.svgYes. And it lasted for a long time.I need clarification/correction.
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute. >>
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...I think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:41:44 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On
South Central Coast and Central Highlands Vietnam), Funan (presently Southern Vietnam), and ThailandYes. And it lasted for a long time.I need clarification/correction.
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so. >>>
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India#/media/File:Indian_cultural_zone.svgBut yes, these may be unique perceptions...I think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.
That's supposed to be the real Bharat!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India
Indian cultural extent
Dark orange: The Indian subcontinent (Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Pakistan, Nepal,[1] and Sri Lanka)
Light orange: Southeast Asia culturally linked to India, notably Brunei, Cambodia, East Timor, Indonesia (except Western New Guinea), Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar (Burma), Singapore, Champa (presently Bình - Trị - Thiên provinces of North Central Coast,
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:46:40 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:06:22 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:03:42 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian
nationalistic clowns have nothing better to do. Supreme waste of time and money.A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Yes, it is called by many. Bharata was a mythological king under whom all the lands united.Bharatmen? This is stupidest thing ever. Modi and his followers should get castrated.I have seen India called Bharat. Is this in any way correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharata_(Mahabharata)
According to popular tradition, Bhārata, the traditional name of the Indian subcontinent, is named after Bharata.
For India to be Bharat, India will have invade all this neighbors And also whole of Southeast Asia
https://static.toiimg.com/imagenext/toiblogs/photo/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MAP.png
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/desires-of-a-modern-indian/117598/
Regardless, it is one of the stupidest ideas ever. Why change a number... it is a great financial loss... so much of repainting everywhere (in every street, bus, train etc.) and India is a large country. DUMBEST IDEA EVER. The Bhartiya Janata Party
Got it, thanks. So does everything say India currently? I have never been.Yes of course... a regular Indian would call themselves Indian.... it is only in literature and certain patriotic songs the word Bharat is used... I have never heard anyway call themselves Bharatiya (which would "of Bharat" or belonging to Bharat). It
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:41:44 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > > > On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoorewrote: > > > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > > > >> On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote: > > > >>> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > > >>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *
Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive
tribute. > > > >> > > > >> But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they > > > >> agreed to pay reparations. > > > >> > > > >> Is this correct? > > > > Yes. And it lasted for a long time. > > > > > > > > France raped Haiti. Kind ofSo reparations can't be an excuse. > > > >>> > > > >> I need clarification/correction. > > > >> > > > >> I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor > > > >> over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rbmoore wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > > > >> On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote: > > > >>> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > > >>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7,
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:59:41 PM UTC-5, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:41:44 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > > > On 9/15/23 1:54 PM,
compensatory tribute. > > > >> > > > >> But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they > > > >> agreed to pay reparations. > > > >> > > > >> Is this correct? > > > > Yes. And it lasted for a long time. > > > > > > > > France rapedSo reparations can't be an excuse. > > > >>> > > > >> I need clarification/correction. > > > >> > > > >> I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor > > > >> over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged
inform how I viewed my so-called leaders. > > > > > > Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis > > > with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed. > > > > > > But yes, these may be uniqueperceptions... > > I think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_India#/media/File:Indian_cultural_zone.svg > >
Fuck you. China ended slavery there.Go suck Chinese cock... arsehole...
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For India to be Bharat, India will have invade all this neighbors And also whole of Southeast Asia
The Bhartiya Janata Party nationalistic clowns have nothing better to do. Supreme waste of time and money.
LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
For India to be Bharat, India will have invade all this neighbors And also whole of Southeast AsiaBut if they want to be India, they have to invade and reclaim Indus (Simdh) river and valley from Pakistan.
Can they do it? No, as Pakistan has nukes.
So how can you be India if you don't own Indus?
Some of the biggest morons on Earth are the so called "patriots". These dime-a-dozen patriots would shit the bed, if they see any real danger to their life. I am glad to be not part of that group.The Bhartiya Janata Party nationalistic clowns have nothing better to do. Supreme waste of time and money.It seems their party name is most patriotic now, ha-ha.
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I have never been.Yes of course... a regular Indian would call themselves Indian.... it is only in literature and certain patriotic songs the word Bharat is used... I have never heard anyway call themselves Bharatiya (which would "of Bharat" orbelonging to Bharat). It would sound ridiculous. And that person would be laughed upon as a dolt.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, *skriptis wrote:> LedZep IgaSwanTech <krisr...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > For India to be Bharat, India will have invade all this neighbors And also whole of Southeast Asia> But if they want tobe India, they have to invade and reclaim Indus (Simdh) river and valley from Pakistan. > > Can they do it? No, as Pakistan has nukes. First we need to nuke Russia, then China... Pakistan we can take later on... who cares about cockroaches.> > So how can
In the G20 summit that took place in Delhi recently, the PM had the nameplate "Bharat" at his table. That's what sparked the debate.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-5, *skriptis wrote:
It seems their party name is most patriotic now, ha-ha.Some of the biggest morons on Earth are the so called "patriots". These dime-a-dozen patriots would shit the bed, if they see any real danger to their life. I am glad to be not part of that group.
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On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:59:51 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:would sound ridiculous. And that person would be laughed upon as a dolt.
Got it, thanks. So does everything say India currently? I have never been.Yes of course... a regular Indian would call themselves Indian.... it is only in literature and certain patriotic songs the word Bharat is used... I have never heard anyway call themselves Bharatiya (which would "of Bharat" or belonging to Bharat). It
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
In the G20 summit that took place in Delhi recently, the PM had the nameplate "Bharat" at his table. That's what sparked the debate.
Plates are easily swapped, yes.;)
https://youtu.be/bBMeMrPuQyU?si=Wl9on1_eC17XLZcH
On 9/15/23 2:41 PM, bmoore wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
But what this showed me is that given the opportunity and a perceivedI think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers andYes. And it lasted for a long time.30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.I need clarification/correction.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so. >>>>>
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute. >>>>
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few
American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely
exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just
like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any >> other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But
because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to
inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis >> with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...
value, humans *in general* are happy enough to commit genocide.
We really need to see that this is in there, good and deep.
On 9/15/23 4:36 PM, bmoore wrote:Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 2:41 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On
You know what, b? I strongly suspect that better human behavior thatDo we suck as much as we used to? Seriously.But what this showed me is that given the opportunity and a perceivedI think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers andYes. And it lasted for a long time.30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.I need clarification/correction.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so. >>>>>>>
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they >>>>>> agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few
American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely
exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just >>>> like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any
other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But >>>> because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to >>>> inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis
with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed. >>>>
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...
value, humans *in general* are happy enough to commit genocide.
We really need to see that this is in there, good and deep.
might be seen as an evolution in moral standards, might also be
attributed to a general increase in surpluses of all kinds, as compared
to say, 500 years ago, or even less.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:33:18?AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as
On 9/15/23 10:37 AM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian
India doesn't hold Indus river valley nowadays, their spiritual centre is on the Ganges river, it's a sacred river for them, and Bharat name comes from that region...India is a name that Greek or Persians applied to all of the subcontinent because theycame from the West encountering that river first, just as other people, e.g. Vietnamese etc applied their own names from their sides.So in a way, as India doesn't hold Indus river anymore and it's not such (or at all) sacred river, name Bharat, which
how we in the US went from a goal being a "color blind" nation to a nation of equality of outcome, as measured against racial groups.>> C'mon, they have the biggest number of poor in the world, worst stories of rapes I heard about, and then their castesystem, they should try to improve these instead of brainwashing the public.Their goal is not civil improvement, but remaining in power.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Favorite tattoo: BORN TOULOUSE~~~~~~~~~~~
Linguistically, there's always been a debate on whether to inflexibly
It used to be "United States are..." but now it's "United States is..."
Is that not so?
apply verb agreement to any entity that can be considered plural, as in
"United States". It's clearly plural, and so there are those who smugly
insist on "The United States *are*...".
Similarly, they'd insist on "the committee *are*...".
But there are those who see the entity as unitary, whether or not it has
separate pieces, and they'd use the singular. So it would be "The United
States is", and "the committee is...".
But that's the superficial back story and I understand your intend--at
least I think I do, skript.
Since the end of the US Civil War the nation has been more and more
centrally controlled so it's more realistic to use "is".
So it's not that rare to change the name of the country.
OK, but plural vs. singular is not as big a change as Germany vs. Deuchland, say.
One is grammar; the other is cunning lingustics :-)
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like
On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the
What a tragedy Haiti is. Stomped on by colonial powers, still feeling the effects.Tied with Haiti?Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!Isnt bungle dish the poorest country in the world, living in squalor?
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
C'mon, they have the biggest number of poor in the world, worst stories of rapes I heard about, and then their caste system, they should try to improve these instead of brainwashing the public.
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On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:17:05 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.Oh, so you only read the headline.
There's so much more.
On 9/15/23 9:13 AM, The Iceberg wrote:same, so they have started using Bharat everywhere. Btw, other than India, Hindustan is quite popular amongst massesThis. Thx Ali. Tnx Shakes for explanations as well, I've googled myself about history of the name, but I was looking for a reason like
On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 15:38:07 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 7:29 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r
Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded itself as INDIA- The Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance. The regime is finding it difficult to counter the
is a cornerstone of many communist philosophies.for anyone wondering what the insane phrase "equality of outcome" means, this from Google says it all:Seriously, politicians have nothing to do other than changing the name of the country?!Well, as near as I can tell, it's how we in the US went from a goal
They woke up one morning and were like "I am not feeling great today, cheer me up, okay, what if we change the name of the country?".
being a "color blind" nation to a nation of equality of outcome, as
measured against racial groups.
What is the equality of outcome ideology?
In contrast, the concept of equality of outcomes rests on the notion that everyone should have the same level of material wealth and social standing, regardless of their individual efforts or abilities. This idea, seductive in its apparent fairness,
Yes. That's it, all right.
Is it getting that way in the UK?
It was weird living here all that time. The idea that black folk were treated very poorly almost everywhere in the US first came to general awareness maybe in the early 60s. And it was basically accurate: they
were being treated differently under the law. That can be remedied and that's fine, but what cannot be remedied is when individuals treat other individuals different socially. That's just the way humans are. If you
don't like some one, for whatever reason, you do not want to associate socially. Making laws requiring not only equal application of laws, but equal social acceptance, can on the surface of it never work. Think
about the 1970s bussing experiment.
So we went from finding out that blacks were being shit on, and wanting
to help, then hearing the simple call for judging people not by the
color of their skin, but by the content of their character, then to
equality of opportunity (AA), based on race, then to equality of outcome (assets), based on race.
It was like being screwed by a cardsharp playing 3 card monte at the
county fair. There's just no way you'll trust people like that again,
and so the only people they can easily fool are those who've never been screwed playing with card sharps yet--the young.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:03:42 PM UTC-4, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high offices
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn Indian
A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Bharatmen? This is stupidest thing ever. Modi and his followers should get castrated.Monagasque is person from Monaco
Indian: a person nationally identified with the Republic of India. Adjective Edit. Bharatiya
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
Yes. And it lasted for a long time.I need clarification/correction.
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor >> over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few
American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just
like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But
because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to
inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has branded
On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday,
Yes. And it lasted for a long time.I need clarification/correction.
30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so.
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute. >>
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they
agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and
ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed.
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...I think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:59:51 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:Indian languages and ancient Indian literature, India was known by the name(s) 'Bharat'/'Bharata'/'Bharatam' (depending on the region). In normal everyday discourse, both the general population and the governments sometimes still use 'Bharat', but high
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:46:40 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:06:22 PM UTC-5, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:03:42 PM UTC-7, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlIn
nationalistic clowns have nothing better to do. Supreme waste of time and money.A person from India is called Indian, what would we call a person from Bharat? Bhartiy?
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Yes, it is called by many. Bharata was a mythological king under whom all the lands united.Bharatmen? This is stupidest thing ever. Modi and his followers should get castrated.I have seen India called Bharat. Is this in any way correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharata_(Mahabharata)
According to popular tradition, Bhārata, the traditional name of the Indian subcontinent, is named after Bharata.
For India to be Bharat, India will have invade all this neighbors And also whole of Southeast Asia
https://static.toiimg.com/imagenext/toiblogs/photo/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MAP.png
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/desires-of-a-modern-indian/117598/
Regardless, it is one of the stupidest ideas ever. Why change a number... it is a great financial loss... so much of repainting everywhere (in every street, bus, train etc.) and India is a large country. DUMBEST IDEA EVER. The Bhartiya Janata Party
would sound ridiculous. And that person would be laughed upon as a dolt.Got it, thanks. So does everything say India currently? I have never been.Yes of course... a regular Indian would call themselves Indian.... it is only in literature and certain patriotic songs the word Bharat is used... I have never heard anyway call themselves Bharatiya (which would "of Bharat" or belonging to Bharat). It
On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 22:23:59 UTC+1, gap...@gmail.com wrote:> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:03:42 PM UTC-4, LedZep IgaSwanTech wrote: > > On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 9:59:22 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> Shakes, RD can you tells us what's behind it? > > > -- > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:13:14 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:29:59 AM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >> *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r > >>> Ali Yawer Usmani <ali.usm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> The Real Reason is that principal opposition alliance has
On 9/15/23 4:36 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:21:59 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/23 2:41 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:25:57 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>> On 9/15/23 1:54 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 9/15/23 11:17 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 9/15/23 9:36 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > > On
Very interesting point, Saw. Makes sense.You know what, b? I strongly suspect that better human behavior thatDo we suck as much as we used to? Seriously.But what this showed me is that given the opportunity and a perceived >> value, humans *in general* are happy enough to commit genocide.I think it was the westward expansion that cemented the US reputation as nasty killers. And let's face it, the US in those days was basically Brits.I had never thought of making a list of modern colonial powers and >>>> ranking them by sensitivity to indigenous populations.Yes. And it lasted for a long time.30 billions in today's money isn't a lot. You can't use mere 30 billions as an excuse for 219 years of failure.I need clarification/correction.
For examples Germany has been paying for the last 100 years or so. >>>>>>>
They finally paid for ww1 in 2010.
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-finally-pays-off-world-war-i-debt-2010-9
And then there's still of course ww2.
Just this year, Jews took 1.4 billions.
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182428154/germany-holocaust-survivors-payment-1-4-billion-nazi-victims
Germany will pay more than $1.4 billion next year to survivors of Nazi atrocities
June 15, 20231:51 PM ET
So reparations can't be an excuse.
I thought that the normal award of reparations is enforced by the victor
over the vanquished. It's a sort of supercharged compensatory tribute.
But I thought that Haiti won its freedom from France, and yet they >>>>>> agreed to pay reparations.
Is this correct?
France raped Haiti. Kind of goes back to my assertion that the UK was a "kinder, gentler" colonialist :-)
I'm serious. It won't change much, but it would be interesting.
I'll tell you this much. When I realized that the reason I see few >>>> American Indians growing up in CA was because they were largely
exterminated--less from policy and more by tacit local agreement--just
like noxious wildlife, I understood that the US was pretty much like any
other colonial power I had been led to see in a negative light. But >>>> because of odd peculiarities in the way I see life, all it did was to >>>> inform how I viewed my so-called leaders.
Later, I played with the idea that the UK were simply good-natured Nazis
with a sense of humor, and I still don't see it as all that flawed. >>>>
But yes, these may be unique perceptions...
We really need to see that this is in there, good and deep.
might be seen as an evolution in moral standards, might also be
attributed to a general increase in surpluses of all kinds, as compared
to say, 500 years ago, or even less.
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