1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. REC.SPORT.TENNIS

  • Halep gets 4-year ban

    From Custos Custodum@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 16:55:03 2023
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Custos Custodum on Tue Sep 12 10:33:28 2023
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Sep 12 18:01:09 2023
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!

    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 17:53:55 2023
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From RzR@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Sep 13 12:08:29 2023
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to RzR on Wed Sep 13 03:29:40 2023
    On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 10:08:22 UTC+1, RzR wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.
    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm

    the miracle of Gluten!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Sep 13 03:29:37 2023
    On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 01:53:57 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5
    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    she said it was in her system due to a contamination, why aren't you convinced by that? agree it sounds perhaps like Sharapova which was plain laziness with the procedure, but not sure she's guilty of doing a Lance Armstrong.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 11:13:04 2023
    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I can say!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to RzR on Wed Sep 13 11:14:55 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:08:22 AM UTC-4, RzR wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm

    That's true but if anybody dug deeper(and really you don't have to go that far) they'd find things on the other top players too. It doesn't compute for me why people can't grasp it.



    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Wed Sep 13 11:15:39 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:29:39 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 01:53:57 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5
    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    she said it was in her system due to a contamination, why aren't you convinced by that? agree it sounds perhaps like Sharapova which was plain laziness with the procedure, but not sure she's guilty of doing a Lance Armstrong.

    Baboon, do you always have to be so dumb?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 21:37:26 2023
    Court_1 kirjoitti 13.9.2023 klo 21.13:
    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I can say!

    Yeah, around 3 billion men...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From undecided@21:1/5 to RzR on Wed Sep 13 11:47:50 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:08:22 PM UTC+3, RzR wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.
    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm
    imagine the damage to the sport if that happens. He is safe.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 11:50:58 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 13.9.2023 klo 21.13:
    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I can say!
    Yeah, around 3 billion men...

    You're referring to her breast reduction surgery? ;)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 21:52:43 2023
    Court_1 kirjoitti 13.9.2023 klo 21.50:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 13.9.2023 klo 21.13:
    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I can say! >> Yeah, around 3 billion men...

    You're referring to her breast reduction surgery? ;)

    Yep

    :))

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Custos Custodum on Wed Sep 13 18:35:21 2023
    Custos Custodum <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    I am glad that she is out. Almost nobody ever admits
    their doping.

    br,
    KK

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 13 15:11:42 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I can say!

    The U.S. military for that "bike over the moon" trick.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to undecided on Wed Sep 13 19:52:48 2023
    On 9/13/2023 1:47 PM, undecided wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:08:22 PM UTC+3, RzR wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >>>> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see >>>> how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.
    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian
    angles...mhm
    imagine the damage to the sport if that happens. He is safe.

    So was Lance Armstrong to cycling...
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From jdeluise@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Sep 13 20:48:34 2023
    Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> writes:

    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:13:06 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:

    Halep must have really pissed somebody important off, that's all I
    can say!

    The U.S. military for that "bike over the moon" trick.

    Good one :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 01:09:21 2023
    On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 19:15:41 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:29:39 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 01:53:57 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5
    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    she said it was in her system due to a contamination, why aren't you convinced by that? agree it sounds perhaps like Sharapova which was plain laziness with the procedure, but not sure she's guilty of doing a Lance Armstrong.
    Baboon, do you always have to be so dumb?

    ?! you been on the red wine during the week again?! far as can remember Sharapova tested positive cos she didn't bother reading the doping emails for one random drug, which had only just been banned, it was laziness on her behalf and poor management from
    her team, was quite different than Cilic stories etc. Halep sounds quite similar, she's even said she's going to sue the drug company cos of the contamination.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 14 01:14:57 2023
    On Thursday, 14 September 2023 at 01:52:53 UTC+1, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 1:47 PM, undecided wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:08:22 PM UTC+3, RzR wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see >>>> how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.
    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian
    angles...mhm
    imagine the damage to the sport if that happens. He is safe.
    So was Lance Armstrong to cycling...

    yeah we're meant to believe that Lance Armstrong the biggest name in USA sport and Maria Sharapova the biggest name in women's sport get busted, yet somehow Djoker/Nadal/Fed have all been secretly let off by the doping guys! say this and had no problem
    with Lance Armstrong, everyone else in cycling doped for decades, remember being told this in the 90's that was how it was yet nobody cared and the journos never said anything either, be interesting to ask Patrick and see if he admits that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to RzR on Fri Sep 15 10:01:38 2023
    RzR <razor@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >>> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.

    br,
    KK

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 16 06:39:42 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:36:21 PM UTC+3, MBDunc wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.
    Djoker is genious or mentally ill or clever or stupid.

    But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.

    In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)

    I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?

    1 Capriati
    2 Muster
    3 ?

    I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season)

    Note: similar sudden retirement happened with Nicolas Escude.

    .mikko

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sat Sep 16 06:36:19 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.

    Djoker is genious or mentally ill or clever or stupid.

    But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.

    In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)

    I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?

    1 Capriati
    2 Muster
    3 ?

    I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season)

    .mikko

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 16 06:50:02 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:36:21 PM UTC+3, MBDunc wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.
    Djoker is genious or mentally ill or clever or stupid.

    But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.

    In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)

    I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?

    1 Capriati
    2 Muster
    3 ?

    I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season)
    Note: similar sudden retirement happened with Nicolas Escude.

    .mikko

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/sep/14/tennis-simona-halep-tribunal-suspected-blood-doping-wimbledon

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to gap on Sat Sep 16 07:31:29 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 4:50:04 PM UTC+3, gap wrote:
    But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.

    In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)

    I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?

    1 Capriati
    2 Muster
    3 ?

    I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season)
    Note: similar sudden retirement happened with Nicolas Escude.

    .mikko
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/sep/14/tennis-simona-halep-tribunal-suspected-blood-doping-wimbledon

    Sweden invented blood doping late 60:ies (1st Olympic Gold- Lundbäck Sapporo 1972) but Finnish progressed it soon way further. (instead of using 3rd party blood, you use own frozen blood taken from when in high altitude)

    This was super-sure "you will not get busted" method". But 1988/1989 came EPO which did same but way easier and better - but this was soon trackable by tests.... but traditional "Finnish way" was no more.

    Death was 2002 when this Finnish blood dope method was able to to track, but as like 1988/1989, better methods were already rampart.

    .mikko

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 16 10:17:25 2023
    MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or
    mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of
    potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).
    mikko

    Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep that won 2-3 slams?

    --




    ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 16 07:47:09 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:17:29 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or
    mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of
    potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).
    mikko

    Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep that won 2-3 slams?
    Different times?

    See Carl Lewis failed doping test 1988 case. Or Agassi's hidden result (which he revealed his his book, that they asked him first how to go with this)

    .mikko

    So does this mean we are in the times in which that they reveal failing dope tests now?
    Then great, not all of them dope as you said :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 16 07:35:19 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:17:29 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or
    mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of
    potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).
    mikko

    Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep that won 2-3 slams?

    Different times?

    See Carl Lewis failed doping test 1988 case. Or Agassi's hidden result (which he revealed his his book, that they asked him first how to go with this)

    .mikko

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 16 07:52:26 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:17:29 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or
    mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of
    potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).
    mikko

    Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep that won 2-3 slams?
    Different times?

    See Carl Lewis failed doping test 1988 case. Or Agassi's hidden result (which he revealed his his book, that they asked him first how to go with this)

    .mikko

    Let me add you are contradicting yourself, on the assumption that Soderling quit because of doping and Agassi had whatever, this means athletes get tested and get confronted when found to be doping and actions are taken.
    This translates to the opposite of what you said, and it can't mean by anyways that all of them dope.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 16 17:00:08 2023
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:17:29 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill
    and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.
    In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden
    retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).mikko > > > > Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep
    that won 2-3 slams?> Different times? > > See Carl Lewis failed doping test 1988 case. Or Agassi's hidden result (which he revealed his his book, that they asked him first how to go with this) > > .mikkoLet me add you are contradicting yourself, on the
    assumption that Soderling quit because of doping and Agassi had whatever, this means athletes get tested and get confronted when found to be doping and actions are taken.This translates to the opposite of what you said, and it can't mean by anyways that
    all of them dope.


    If Söderling indeed doped, he interfered in sports in an unthinkable way, stopping Nadal from winning e.g. 9 straight FOs?

    You can't really pay back Nadal enough ever again, so best to keep it under the carpet I guess and retire Söderling.

    But like most said, I too believe it's all who dope or no one.

    Ančić suffered from mono and had to retire, it's plausible that Söderling suffered the same fate.


    --




    ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 16 08:11:34 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 6:00:07 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
    If Söderling indeed doped, he interfered in sports in an unthinkable way, stopping Nadal from winning e.g. 9 straight FOs?

    You can't really pay back Nadal enough ever again, so best to keep it under the carpet I guess and retire Söderling.

    To be noted: why Nadal's camp has not made any issue. Nadal had 200x Balco connection which was revealed as a "dope lab".

    But Nadal camp did not to response any of this because no-one dared to make any further conclusions (my 1st theory : too big to fall). But here I hope my 1st theory is false and whole thing was just a co-incident.

    .mikko

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sat Sep 16 22:45:39 2023
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >>> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see >>> how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him he
    was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.


    but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    I'm not sure if he's the GOAT as we didn't see all of these great players play in the same time frame but he's the most accomplished and the best of his era and the greatest of the Big Three for sure.


    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.

    Without a shadow of a doubt. That gluten story he pedalled around 2011 after transforming from a player who retired all the time to Superman was a bunch of BS IMO. But, I think all top players take PEDS.

    There's nothing that annoys me more than fans of one of the Big Three players throwing stones at the other two rival Big Three players by claiming they're doping while uttering with a straight face that their favorite Big Three Player is a Saint. It's so
    completely delusional IMO and is what makes me detest fanatics.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to olympia0000@yahoo.com on Sun Sep 17 15:59:41 2023
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >> >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >> >>> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see >> >>> how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian
    angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him
    he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.


    but
    when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT.

    I'm not sure if he's the GOAT as we didn't see all of these great players play in the same time frame but he's the most accomplished and the best of his era and the greatest of the Big Three for sure.


    Of course he uses doping just like everyone else.

    Without a shadow of a doubt. That gluten story he pedalled around 2011 after transforming from a player who retired all the time to Superman was a bunch of BS IMO. But, I think all top players take PEDS.

    There's nothing that annoys me more than fans of one of the Big Three players throwing stones at the other two rival Big Three players by claiming they're doping while uttering with a straight face that their favorite Big Three Player is a Saint. It's
    so completely delusional IMO and is what makes me detest fanatics.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sun Sep 17 15:53:50 2023
    MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net> wrote:
    I made list of potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?

    1 Capriati
    2 Muster
    3 ?

    As far as I can remember, Karel Novacek had a
    big winning streak back in the early 1990s.

    I think he got caught using doping.

    br,
    KK

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sun Sep 17 13:11:30 2023
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:>> RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote: >> > On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11PM UTC-4,
    Scall5 wrote: >> >>> On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote: >> >>>> On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote: >> >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732 >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach, >> >>> Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see >> >>> how it pans out. >> >>> -- >> >>> --------------- >> >>> Scall5 >> >> >> >> I don't know
    how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced. >> > >> > Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude >> > went from forfeiting every tougher
    match in bad conditions, to >> > outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent >> > interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian >> > angles...mhm> >> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,> > He's
    not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him he was
    special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god andguardian" angels help you with your tennis. Thoseare delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.> but >> when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > I'm
    not sure if he's the GOAT as we didn't see all of these great players play in the same time frame but he's the most accomplished and the best of his era and the greatest of the Big Three for sure.> > >> Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. >
    Without a shadow of a doubt. That gluten story he pedalled around 2011 after transforming from a player who retired all the time to Superman was a bunch of BS IMO. But, I think all top players take PEDS. > > There's nothing that annoys me more than
    fans of one of the Big Three players throwing stones at the other two rival Big Three players by claiming they're doping while uttering with a straight face that their favorite Big Three Player is a Saint. It's so completely delusional IMO and is what
    makes me detest fanatics.

    Most people would dream to be mentally ill if Novak is mentally ill.
    --




    ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sun Sep 17 12:32:35 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him
    he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 13:18:10 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrot
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    Lol, Courtly gets to gracchus!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 17 13:19:41 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to bmoore on Sun Sep 17 13:54:55 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.

    Aside from his serve, Roscoe wasn't that mighty. :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 17 13:51:07 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:18:12 PM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrot
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    Lol, Courtly gets to gracchus!

    I was agreeing with Court 1. Try to keep up, Martini.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sun Sep 17 18:44:14 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude >> > went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian >> > angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him
    he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    It's not mental illness, it's the fact that his parents were constantly telling him that he's special and was sent by God in combination with his extraordinary success which has made him believe the hype. He's a wacky egomaniac with a persecution complex
    and he has very strange beliefs. But mental illness? I don't believe so.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 17 19:42:52 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:51:09 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:18:12 PM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrot
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents
    told him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    Lol, Courtly gets to gracchus!
    I was agreeing with Court 1. Try to keep up, Martini.

    Yes, my bad, oops!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Sep 18 17:57:16 2023
    On 18/09/2023 6:54 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.

    Aside from his serve, Roscoe wasn't that mighty. :)


    He had his moments. This match v McEnroe looks pretty good;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lOqGJOEH0

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 18 05:57:18 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:57:29 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 18/09/2023 6:54 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.

    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.

    Aside from his serve, Roscoe wasn't that mighty. :)

    He had his moments. This match v McEnroe looks pretty good;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lOqGJOEH0

    He did. I enjoyed watching Roscoe play, even rooted for him in those Borg matches. His fellow players certainly respected him. Just saying he never won anything big.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Sep 18 07:01:58 2023
    On Saturday, 16 September 2023 at 15:52:28 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:17:29 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:01:41 PM UTC+3, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man, but > when it comes to tennis, he is the GOAT. > > Of course he uses doping just like everyone else. Djoker is genious or
    mentally ill or clever or stupid.But all top star of major sports use every advantage known for their purpose.In tennis we already know caught cases and self-confessed cases like Mac''s horsedope or Agassi's meth or Becker's sleeping pills)I made list of
    potential tennis super-dope users 15y+ ago?1 Capriati2 Muster3 ?I also think that Robin Soderling sudden retirement of sport was due doping fail, rather than his excuse (he left tour completely after winning a tournament and a great 1st half of a season).
    mikko

    Why wouldn't they announce that Soderling failed doping test while they did it for Halep that won 2-3 slams?
    Different times?

    See Carl Lewis failed doping test 1988 case. Or Agassi's hidden result (which he revealed his his book, that they asked him first how to go with this)

    .mikko
    Let me add you are contradicting yourself, on the assumption that Soderling quit because of doping and Agassi had whatever, this means athletes get tested and get confronted when found to be doping and actions are taken.
    This translates to the opposite of what you said, and it can't mean by anyways that all of them dope.

    yes we're meant to believe these days after Lance Armstrong and Maria Sharapova were busted they're hiding others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Sep 18 07:26:57 2023
    On 9/18/23 5:57 AM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:57:29 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 18/09/2023 6:54 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.
    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.
    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.
    Aside from his serve, Roscoe wasn't that mighty. :)
    He had his moments. This match v McEnroe looks pretty good;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lOqGJOEH0
    He did. I enjoyed watching Roscoe play, even rooted for him in those Borg matches. His fellow players certainly respected him. Just saying he never won anything big.

    He was fun to watch. His game, while certainly S&V, looked different,
    somehow. In a way, formulaic and mechanical, but is was a nice foil for
    Borg's and Connors' styles.

    You knew the end was fast approaching when he curled up his hair.

    --
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Favorite tattoo:

    BORN TOULOUSE


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Mon Sep 18 07:36:18 2023
    On Saturday, 16 September 2023 at 16:11:37 UTC+1, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 6:00:07 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
    If Söderling indeed doped, he interfered in sports in an unthinkable way, stopping Nadal from winning e.g. 9 straight FOs?

    You can't really pay back Nadal enough ever again, so best to keep it under the carpet I guess and retire Söderling.
    To be noted: why Nadal's camp has not made any issue. Nadal had 200x Balco connection which was revealed as a "dope lab".

    But Nadal camp did not to response any of this because no-one dared to make any further conclusions (my 1st theory : too big to fall). But here I hope my 1st theory is false and whole thing was just a co-incident.

    Nadal camp couldn't just accuse Soderling of doping or even Djoker, they'd get sued YUGELY!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Sep 18 07:33:28 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 7:27:00 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/18/23 5:57 AM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:57:29 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 18/09/2023 6:54 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents
    told him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.
    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not
    carving pentagrams on babies.
    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.
    Aside from his serve, Roscoe wasn't that mighty. :)
    He had his moments. This match v McEnroe looks pretty good;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_lOqGJOEH0

    He did. I enjoyed watching Roscoe play, even rooted for him in those Borg matches. His fellow players certainly respected him. Just saying he never won anything big.

    He was fun to watch. His game, while certainly S&V, looked different, somehow. In a way, formulaic and mechanical, but is was a nice foil for Borg's and Connors' styles.

    You knew the end was fast approaching when he curled up his hair.

    He did that prior to Wimbledon '79. Without the perm, he might well have beaten Borg.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Sep 18 16:44:33 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
    He was fun to watch. His game, while certainly S&V, looked different, somehow. In a way, formulaic and mechanical, but is was a nice foil for Borg's and Connors' styles. You knew the end was fast approaching when he curled up his hair.


    Let's check him in MPOAT?


    #35 Tsonga, 22 pts, 0%
    #40 Stich, 21 pts, 24%

    #40 Tanner, 21 pts, 24%

    #42 Kuerten, 20 pts, 75%
    #42 Thiem, 20 pts, 25%



    https://www.docdroid.net/dWQ2BP0/mpoat-2023-arwu-pdf



    So he's still in top 40 of most prominent tennisers in era. Cool.

    I thought he was ranked lower.



    ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 18 08:01:20 2023
    On Monday, 18 September 2023 at 02:44:16 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:59:44 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote: >> >>> On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude
    went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian >> > angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It's not mental illness, it's the fact that his parents were constantly telling him that he's special and was sent by God in combination with his extraordinary success which has made him believe the hype. He's a wacky egomaniac with a persecution
    complex and he has very strange beliefs. But mental illness? I don't believe so.

    you're dreaming and just desperate to disparage him in some way, sorry it doesn't work, he was totally right about the vax, proved what a great leader he is!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to bmoore on Mon Sep 18 08:00:15 2023
    On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 21:19:43 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:59:44 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told
    him he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.

    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.
    It doesn't matter one iota whether those beliefs are objectively true or not (and I don't presume to know either way). If the result is ending up insanely rich and successful, then bring on that insanity! The guy is playing pro tennis, not carving
    pentagrams on babies.
    He's pretty obviously obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame. Kinda like Roscoe Tanner. Be careful, the mighty can fall.

    what are you talking about? what evidence do you have that he's "obsessed with his talent and wealth and fame"? you could easily say that about Fed, he even said "well I'm a very talented person" in some interview, but how so Djoker, got any examples?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Sep 18 07:58:24 2023
    On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 16:59:44 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:01:41 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    RzR <ra...@email.tg> wrote:
    On 9/13/2023 3:53 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:01:11 PM UTC-4, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/12/2023 12:33 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Tuesday, 12 September 2023 at 16:55:10 UTC+1, Custos Custodum wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

    thanks, wondered what had happened to her!
    She posted today on Twitter that she will fight it and her former coach,
    Darren Cahill, twitted his support for her. Will be interesting to see
    how it pans out.
    --
    ---------------
    Scall5

    I don't know how I should feel about this. I used to like her, and even if she cleared her name which I doubt she can, I won't be very convinced.

    Imagine what they could find on Djoker if they really dug deeper. Dude >> > went from forfeiting every tougher match in bad conditions, to
    outlasting 20 year younger dudes in the same conditions. In recent
    interview, he attributes it to divine intervention - god and guardian >> > angles...mhm

    Djokovic is mentally ill and a very stupid man,

    He's not mentally ill. That's a pretty extreme claim. He's also most definitely not stupid. He speaks multiple languages, reads books, is well-spoken, has a very high tennis IQ, etc. He's a person who has some very offbeat views. His parents told him
    he was special/a God so he's likely an egomaniac.
    Yes, you are *mentally ill* if you think that "god and
    guardian" angels help you with your tennis. Those
    are delusions produced by a very sick mind indeed.

    amazing you reckon someone is mentally ill if they believe in God, yet not mentally ill if they're a man who "feels" they're a woman and wears dresses or thinks they are 155 different genders. amazing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)