• Re:Who's likely to be yr-end No.1?

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 11 17:05:56 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for
    8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500 (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts ahead.



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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 00:58:28 2023
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with
    injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead
    after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos would
    love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 01:15:34 2023
    On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting
    for 8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500 (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts ahead.





    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close, so hope he can
    get it done on points. Carlos has had a great follow up year, a title
    and 2 semis in the 3 slams he entered. Bit unlucky with the cramps at
    FO but no excuse at USO, should have been better prepared for a red
    lining opponent in a semi.

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  • From grif@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 11 16:40:15 2023
    On 11/09/2023 16:15, Whisper wrote:
    On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with injury after USO last yr.  I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1?  Carlos would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting
    for 8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500 (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts ahead. >>




    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close, so hope he can get it done on points.  Carlos has had a great follow up year, a title and 2 semis in the 3 slams he entered.  Bit unlucky with the cramps at FO but no excuse at USO, should
    have been better prepared for a red lining opponent in a semi.

    Nole the GOAT is the true #1.

    All that is gold does not glitter,
    Not all those who wander are lost;
    The old that is strong does not wither,
    Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
    From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
    A light from the shadows shall spring;
    Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
    The crownless again shall be king.
    😔

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 11 09:04:51 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:58:42 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with
    injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead
    after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos would
    love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.

    Novak leads 2023 race:

    Novak Djokovic
    8,945

    Carlos Alcaraz
    8,175

    Daniil Medvedev
    6,590

    It is up-to these three. Meds having obviously a lot longer path.

    Most likely YEC decides... depends on Djoker/Alcaraz schedules....

    .mikko

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 11 19:33:56 2023
    On 11.9.2023 18.15, Whisper wrote:
    On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with
    injury after USO last yr.  I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead
    after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1?  Carlos
    would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess
    so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he
    doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500
    (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts
    ahead.





    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close,

    It's amazing. One swing volley away from a CYGS.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 01:52:55 2023
    On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 17:33:59 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 11.9.2023 18.15, Whisper wrote:
    On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off with >>> injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead
    after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos
    would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess
    so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he
    doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500
    (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts
    ahead.





    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close,
    It's amazing. One swing volley away from a CYGS.

    yes this actually makes Djoker's 2023 better than 2021! cos he got closer to the CYGS than he's ever been! since he was 5 sets at Wimbledon whereas Meds beat him in 3 at USO 2021. So with Alcaraz being around Djoker has actually improved and no disputing
    that, AMAZING!! :O

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 18:55:28 2023
    On 12/09/2023 2:33 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 11.9.2023 18.15, Whisper wrote:
    On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off
    with injury after USO last yr.  I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points
    ahead after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1?
    Carlos would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.



    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess
    so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he
    doesn't get the ATP #1.

    In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.

    But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500
    (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).

    So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts
    ahead.





    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close,

    It's amazing. One swing volley away from a CYGS.



    I don't look at it that way. I think he'd find it harder to win this
    USO final if calendar slam was again on the line, given how tough Med
    was playing again. That's just too big a prize to be able to block out.
    I also think Novak wins 2021 USO final if calendar slam wasn't on the
    line.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Sep 12 11:46:38 2023
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 17:33:59 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> On 11.9.2023 18.15, Whisper wrote: > > On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote: > >> Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r > >>> I know Carlos has very few points to
    defend as he was mostly off with > >>> injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points ahead > >>> after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? Carlos > >>> would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8. > >> > >> > >> > >
    Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3 titles and a final) I guess > >> so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he > >> doesn't get the ATP #1. > >> > >> In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year. > >> > >> But
    he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both ATP500 > >> (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years). > >> > >> So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts > >> ahead. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >
    Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close,> It's amazing. One swing volley away from a CYGS. yes this actually makes Djoker's 2023 better than 2021! cos he got closer to the CYGS than he's ever been! since he was 5 sets at Wimbledon
    whereas Meds beat him in 3 at USO 2021. So with Alcaraz being around Djoker has actually improved and no disputing that, AMAZING!! :O



    Since Alcaraz came on the scene, Djokovic won 3 slams, Alcaraz won 2.

    Since Alcaraz and Djokovic are both equally allowed to compete, Djokovic won 3 slams, Alcaraz won 1.


    Djokovic has cca 700-800 pts lead in ATP rade for this season, but he was prevented from playing in Indian Wells and Miami (2000 pts up for grabs).

    No need to mention last year.

    He was banned from
    AO
    IW
    Miami
    Canada
    Cincinnati
    USO

    This year he played
    AO
    Cincinnati
    USO

    And won it. All 3 tournaments he was banned from last year.


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Sep 12 12:09:19 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 12/09/2023 2:33 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> On 11.9.2023 18.15, Whisper wrote:>> On 12/09/2023 1:05 am, *skriptis wrote:>>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>>>> I know Carlos has very few points to defend as he was mostly off >>>>
    with injury after USO last yr. I think Novak is maybe 3,000 points >>>> ahead after this USO, so who's most likely to end the yr no.1? >>>> Carlos would love 2 in a row, and Novak is shooting for 8.>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic is already ITF world champion (3
    titles and a final) I guess >>> so for all time purposes, it's going to be a shared year even if he >>> doesn't get the ATP #1.>>>>>> In ATP, he has a lead cca 700 or 800 pts for this year.>>>>>> But he's skipping Asian swing and Alcaraz is playing both
    ATP500 >>> (Tokyo or Beijing) and ATP1000 Shanghai (returns after 4 years).>>>>>> So when the tour comes back to Europe Alcaraz could be 700 or 800 pts >>> ahead.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Novak is the real No.1 for this year it's not even close, > > It's amazing.
    One swing volley away from a CYGS.> I don't look at it that way. I think he'd find it harder to win this USO final if calendar slam was again on the line, given how tough Med was playing again. That's just too big a prize to be able to block out. I
    also think Novak wins 2021 USO final if calendar slam wasn't on the line.



    Yeah it's a shame he didn't have me as a counsellor. I would have put him in the right state of mind.

    I would have told him just how big of a prize it was. Once a person knows the exact value of something, the myth is gone and you can swing freely.

    Clearly it's huge, and if Laver is goat, and if it's based on 2 CYGS, the second greatest ever would need to be Budge? But that's not the case. So it's not that huge.

    All the careers of Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Borg etc have surpassed Budge.

    If one CYGS can be surpassed, then 2 can be as well. You just need to win a lot, a lot.

    CYGS is a shortcut, that's all.
    It's like playing 4 grand slam finals at once.

    That's how you must frame it. If you can deal the pressure of 1 major, you take it all 4 at once.


    The mistake was to think of it as a once in a life time opportunity and crap like that. That can paralyze you. In the same vein lots of stuff can paralyze you. Going for 6th straight Wimbledon for Borg or Federer could have been paralyzing as well, as
    that is once in a lifetime opportunity too.

    If that streak is snapped, it's unlikely they'd get another chance at winning 6 consecutive Wimbledons.

    But Borg and Federer lost to McEnroe and Nadal on a given day in tough matches. But were they thinking about streaks?

    Just as Djokovic lost to Alcaraz. He lost a chance to win 5 consecutive Wimbledons, but I doubt that was which paralyzed him.

    The streak is always on the line and thinking you're probably never going to get a chance at 6th consecutive Wimbledon or 5th one is not what players do. Or should do. You think about one Wimbledon that's at stake. You fight for that.


    Likewise, going after CYGS is USO title at stake, and then doubling the values of all 4 titles in the season. So yeah, kinda 5 slams at once. And that's quite tangible and shouldn't paralyze you.

    CYGS serve the purpose of propelling you ahead of someone who has slam record unless the gap is really huge.

    If the gap is say 6 slams, even CYGS is not enough.



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