• Something about Alcaraz

    From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 10:44:48 2023
    Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.
    He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.
    This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.
    I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 17:50:27 2023
    On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.
    He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.
    This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.
    I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.

    Very loose, relaxed.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8

    A carbon copy of Federer,

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 18:54:46 2023
    On 9.9.2023 18.46, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major
    arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.
    youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

    It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

    Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.

    There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.

    If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

    This is a free flowing swing btw:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB

    Like two berries.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Sat Sep 9 11:46:38 2023
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm
    muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.
    youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

    It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

    Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.

    There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.

    If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

    This is a free flowing swing btw:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB








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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 18:56:29 2023
    On 9.9.2023 18.54, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 9.9.2023 18.46, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the
    racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any
    initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he
    holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.>
    This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the
    hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of
    loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and
    cramping.Very loose,
    relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of
    Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear,
    and the maiden fair"-- Traditional

    It's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by
    forces generated by the arm and strong grip.

    Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact
    his career.

    There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his
    forehand swing.

    If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be
    something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his
    swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.

    This is a free flowing swing btw:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB

    Like two berries.

    You can tell those swings apart only by looking at the hairdos.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 12:05:40 2023
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds
    the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm
    fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with
    racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the
    same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_
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    This video highlights the issue and the differences between the two

    https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 09:36:24 2023
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 19:55:34 2023
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 14:09:23 2023
    The grips, for example, have nary an effect on their swings

    Clearly you aren't listening. The issue isn't about the swing or the quality of the shot, it's about the stress that goes on the wrist as it adjusts and exerts force during the impact.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Sep 9 14:19:28 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 9/9/23 9:05 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and
    his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep
    generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to
    there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong because if I am right this may impact his
    career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that constrained his swing and creates the issue I
    observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html> This video highlights the
    issue and the differences between the two>> https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk>>I think that the visuals (side-by-side frames; sync'ed motion; freeze frame) was very very good. I think the coach narrating it is a bit of a bullshit artist. E.
    g., identifying, and even stressing, that the off-hand should be as high as Alcaraz's seems pointless.The two biggest differences I see are: a) grip (the coach does a good job explaining this); and b) Alcaraz's upper body remains more erect throughout
    the swing than Fed's. Fed seems more flexible, looser.I also think that the two balls hit to Alc and Fed were of differing qualities: one was higher than the other, one seemed faster, and one was an FH and the other was BH. My guess is that the coach's
    primary concern when selecting two swings to put side-by-side was that both Fed and Alc had very similar body positions, making for a useful video comparison side-by-side. He cared less about the qualities of the ball delivered to them (height, speed,
    spin diff between BH and FH), and basically talked his way around those differences as if they didn't matter to the relative swings.But GREAT to see those two synced up, side-by-side. Very instructive.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"He who talks the talk must also walk the walk." --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This video shows the angles better.
    It's more of front impact hit for Alcaraz

    https://youtube.com/shorts/QhT0_0BsX0k?si=nrgAlmAHT07eKdo_

    While it's more rotational swing for Federer.


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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 22:30:19 2023
    On 9.9.2023 21.09, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    The grips, for example, have nary an effect on their swings

    Clearly you aren't listening. The issue isn't about the swing or the quality of the shot, it's about the stress that goes on the wrist as it adjusts and exerts force during the impact.


    I am. I am. You said "Alcatraz keep generating pace with muscles instead
    of the dynamics of loose swings". Both the guy in your vid and I say the
    same thing. That Alcatraz's swing is loose. This looseness is essential
    to make the swing use the dynamics as it does. Some things don't happen
    if you're tense, or if you're out to muscle stuff.

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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Sep 10 02:21:26 2023
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> On 9/9/23 9:05 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r> On 9.9.2023 17.44, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz
    doesn't hold the racquet with a relaxed wrist, and his swings don't involve any initial twists in his wrist.> He has bulky hand and wrist, and he holds the racquet with major force involving the major arm muscles.> This may seem fine but it's extremely
    exhausting for the arm and the hand to keep generating pace with muscles instead of the dynamics of loose swings.> I see possible wrist injuries, arm fatigue and cramping.Very loose, relaxed.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sAnk2tswc_8A carbon copy of
    Federer,-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- TraditionalIt's a tough swing then he meets the ball with racquet face driven by forces generated by the arm and strong grip.Listen, I really hope I am wrong
    because if I am right this may impact his career.There is something that doesn't feel comfortable for me in his forehand swing.If he is playing with the same swing as Federer then there must be something different in his grip than Federer's that
    constrained his swing and creates the issue I observe. I will take a deeper look.This is a free flowing swing btw:https://youtube.com/shorts/qrNuaN-acSQ?si=mI_p008QZVAM2prB-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/
    usenet/index.html> This video highlights the issue and the differences between the two>> https://youtu.be/VebPedeOKMQ?si=nZS2SSHmHyhrMGTk>>I think that the visuals (side-by-side frames; sync'ed motion; freeze frame) was very very good. I think the coach
    narrating it is a bit of a bullshit artist. E.g., identifying, and even stressing, that the off-hand should be as high as Alcaraz's seems pointless.The two biggest differences I see are: a) grip (the coach does a good job explaining this); and b) Alcaraz'
    s upper body remains more erect throughout the swing than Fed's. Fed seems more flexible, looser.I also think that the two balls hit to Alc and Fed were of differing qualities: one was higher than the other, one seemed faster, and one was an FH and the
    other was BH. My guess is that the coach's primary concern when selecting two swings to put side-by-side was that both Fed and Alc had very similar body positions, making for a useful video comparison side-by-side. He cared less about the qualities of
    the ball delivered to them (height, speed, spin diff between BH and FH), and basically talked his way around those differences as if they didn't matter to the relative swings.But GREAT to see those two synced up, side-by-side. Very instructive.-- ~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"He who talks the talk must also walk the walk." --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~This video shows the angles better.It's more of front
    impact hit for Alcarazhttps://youtube.com/shorts/QhT0_0BsX0k?si=nrgAlmAHT07eKdo_While it's more rotational swing for Federer.https://youtube.com/shorts/qwKbdntIbRQ?si=zaNcCcAhrn3tFNQA-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.
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    Alcaraz reminds me of Dementieva compared to Federer.

    Clearly he's interior.


    https://youtu.be/mfVBLFcQko4?si=vsjVBeO0FOF_EZYC
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