PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
On 9.9.2023 12.38, The Iceberg wrote:> PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)Pete is lucky.-- "And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
The Iceberg Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-7, MBDunc wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:24:40 PM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> The Iceberg Wrote in message:r
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
improving.1) Meds is not bad: already #1, already slam winner, already YEC title, tons of other titles.
2) It is tennis; even Djoker/Fed/Nadal at their absolute peak lost important matches (mostly to each other though)
3) Overrated? as by stats Alkie is 20y and already 2 slams, #1, a lot of titles, .... what can you ask more?
Meds did same as Djoker did at FO 2023 SF, brought A+ game. At this high level it can be one single point there and there can make the outcome (see YEC Sampras-Becker 5-set final which was effectively won/lost by 2 crurial points).
Yep. Exactly. The "overrated" claim is stupid. Nobody knows what Alcaraz's legacy will be at this age. Current rivals might eclipse him or formidable new ones might crop up at any time. But his weapons are real, he will win MORE slams, and he will keep
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:24:40 PM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
1) Meds is not bad: already #1, already slam winner, already YEC title, tons of other titles.
2) It is tennis; even Djoker/Fed/Nadal at their absolute peak lost important matches (mostly to each other though)
3) Overrated? as by stats Alkie is 20y and already 2 slams, #1, a lot of titles, .... what can you ask more?
Meds did same as Djoker did at FO 2023 SF, brought A+ game. At this high level it can be one single point there and there can make the outcome (see YEC Sampras-Becker 5-set final which was effectively won/lost by 2 crurial points).
got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so his UE count rose
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.57:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:44:35 AM UTC-7, MBDunc wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:24:40 PM UTC+3, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
keep improving.1) Meds is not bad: already #1, already slam winner, already YEC title, tons of other titles.
2) It is tennis; even Djoker/Fed/Nadal at their absolute peak lost important matches (mostly to each other though)
3) Overrated? as by stats Alkie is 20y and already 2 slams, #1, a lot of titles, .... what can you ask more?
Meds did same as Djoker did at FO 2023 SF, brought A+ game. At this high level it can be one single point there and there can make the outcome (see YEC Sampras-Becker 5-set final which was effectively won/lost by 2 crurial points).
Yep. Exactly. The "overrated" claim is stupid. Nobody knows what Alcaraz's legacy will be at this age. Current rivals might eclipse him or formidable new ones might crop up at any time. But his weapons are real, he will win MORE slams, and he will
Obviously.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Obviously.There is no doubt that Alcaraz received a juicy kick on his ass. He was playing to the gallery at times, enjoying the adulation. Meds was focused and played his best. Well deserved win.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.the kid a lot. > > Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match. > > > > Medvedev
Wrote in message:r > > > > PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once) > > > > > Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays. > > > I like
I haven't seen a kid that just turned 20 that was as matured as Alcaraz is.
Alcaraz is a talent powerhouse and I am excited to see his evolution as a player.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:29:55AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> I haven't seen a kid that just turned 20 that was as matured as Alcaraz is. > Do you mean in terms of his game, or his on-court personality ?
His only issues seem to be shot selection and lack of any serious strategizing.
I'm not sure at this point, but he *may* be coming out and
playing every opponent essentially the same way. And this has been
possible because he can beat just about anyone with his standard
game--which is to pretty much improvise on the fly.
...and you can do this if you own just about every shot in a tennis
arsenal.
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:29:55 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> I haven't seen a kid that just turned 20 that was as matured as Alcaraz is. > Do you mean in terms of his game, or his on-court personality ?I know we are going to compare him to Sampras and others, but I meant in the last 20 years, and yes I mean the combination of his game and personality and being able to conduct himself the way he does in the era that was dominated by the big three.
In my opinion, tennis was dying again but it got a nice push when Alcaraz showed up.
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On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:55:50 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Shakes <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rFair enough. I wasn't thinking of Sampras in any case. :) I think Fed and Nadal were both more mature at 20 in the way they conducted themselves. Well Nadal did have that scowl and his "Vamos", but still ... :)
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:29:55 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> I haven't seen a kid that just turned 20 that was as matured as Alcaraz is. > Do you mean in terms of his game, or his on-court personality ?I know we are going to compare him to Sampras and others, but I meant in the last 20 years, and yes I mean the combination of his game and personality and being able to conduct himself the way he does in the era that was dominated by the big three.
In my opinion, tennis was dying again but it got a nice push when Alcaraz showed up.Definitely, yes. He's a breath of fresh air for the ATP Tour.
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Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 20.57:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
It's a learning experience. Obviously his game/mentality has not yet
reached its final form.
I don't think Meds played even close to unbeatable... looked to me like pretty standard Meds playing well. Maybe served close unbreakable on 2nd set.
I stand by my point that Alkie's game has too much elements of risk & improvisation. When it works it's wonderful to watch. I believe that
Ferrero said early in their relationship that he will let Alkie play
freely, what he feels like doing, not going to rein in his play. I have
felt all the way that Alkie makes a lot of "wrong" decisions/shots on
the court. I think his shot selection should veer towards percentage
play due time... Then again it appears that there are not many players forcing him to do so! Maybe he'll be soon so good that his shot
selection doesn't even matter much...
Meds obviously can beat Djoke. Should be a close one.
So you think he needs to be a lot more boring, like Djokovic, right? ;) Screw that. People are excited to see him play because he *isn't* like that. It's like in 1980s heavyweight boxing when there were all these slippin' and a slidin' schmoo fightersand then Mike Tyson came along.
IMO Ferrero knows exactly what he's doing. He developed Alcaraz based on his strengths, nurturing his spontaneous nature. Last night, Ferrero & co. were urging him "be brave!" And when it works, it's spectacular. I'd say, if he goes through an extendeddry spell without results, his team would need to make adjustments. If he's still winning tournaments and getting to semis at least, I'd say he's doing pretty damn well. The only change I'd make is tell him to stop pointing to his fucking ear for the
Also, I disagree that it was average Medvedev play last night. Looked to me like he was maxing out.
Meds obviously can beat Djoke. Should be a close one.I hope so. It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 20.57:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote: >>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
and then Mike Tyson came along.It's a learning experience. Obviously his game/mentality has not yet
reached its final form.
I don't think Meds played even close to unbeatable... looked to me like
pretty standard Meds playing well. Maybe served close unbreakable on 2nd
set.
I stand by my point that Alkie's game has too much elements of risk &
improvisation. When it works it's wonderful to watch. I believe that
Ferrero said early in their relationship that he will let Alkie play
freely, what he feels like doing, not going to rein in his play. I have
felt all the way that Alkie makes a lot of "wrong" decisions/shots on
the court. I think his shot selection should veer towards percentage
play due time... Then again it appears that there are not many players
forcing him to do so! Maybe he'll be soon so good that his shot
selection doesn't even matter much...
So you think he needs to be a lot more boring, like Djokovic, right? ;) Screw that. People are excited to see him play because he *isn't* like that. It's like in 1980s heavyweight boxing when there were all these slippin' and a slidin' schmoo fighters
IMO Ferrero knows exactly what he's doing. He developed Alcaraz based on his strengths, nurturing his spontaneous nature. Last night, Ferrero & co. were urging him "be brave!" And when it works, it's spectacular. I'd say, if he goes through an extendeddry spell without results, his team would need to make adjustments. If he's still winning tournaments and getting to semis at least, I'd say he's doing pretty damn well. The only change I'd make is tell him to stop pointing to his fucking ear for the
Also, I disagree that it was average Medvedev play last night. Looked to me like he was maxing out.
Meds obviously can beat Djoke. Should be a close one.
I hope so. It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 22.46:
I hope so. It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
Probably side with Djokovic...as he'll be making new slam record and New Yorkers apparently like to brag "I was there"...
And playing against a russkie, too.
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 22.46:
The only change I'd make is tell him to stop pointing to his fucking ear for the crowd and stay focused on the opponent.
Yeah, both were doing the ear thing.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)i did not watch it as i am on vacation but Alcaraz dismantled Meds game the last couple of times with power and drop shots. what was different this time?
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:46:18 PM UTC-4, undecided wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:38:04 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
i did not watch it as i am on vacation but Alcaraz dismantled Meds game the last couple of times with power and drop shots. what was different this time?
Maniac mad Medvedev showed up.
Played extremely high level tennis for the entire match.
He said before the match he needed to be 12/10 and he said after the match he play at that level.
Alcaraz said medvedev was 10/10.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:38:04 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)i did not watch it as i am on vacation but Alcaraz dismantled Meds game the last couple of times with power and drop shots. what was different this time?
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 1:58:17PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:46:18PM UTC-4, undecided wrote: > > On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:38:04PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote: > > > PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!!(for once) > > i did not watch it as i am on vacation but Alcaraz dismantled Meds game the last couple of times with power and drop shots. what was different this time?> Maniac mad Medvedev showed up. > Played extremely high level tennis for the entire
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:29:26 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:59:52 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:
Agreed about his playing to the gallery a little. But he's only 20 and has the natural exuberance that comes with youth (plus he wanted some "pick-me-up" energy when he was down 2 sets).Obviously.There is no doubt that Alcaraz received a juicy kick on his ass. He was playing to the gallery at times, enjoying the adulation. Meds was focused and played his best. Well deserved win.
Do you remember Roddick at the same age ? I found him nauseating. He was probably the most irritating young top player I'd ever seen - past and present.
Alcaraz is a talent powerhouse and I am excited to see his evolution as a player.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 5:38:04 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)How can he be overrated, baboon? He's 20 and has two slams, four Masters 1000s, youngest to be number one in Open Era.
You have some warped definition of overrated.
There is however, excessive hype around him to the point of hysteria i.e. he'll surpass the Big Three's numbers. I doubt it.
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 22.46:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 20.57:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
fighters and then Mike Tyson came along.It's a learning experience. Obviously his game/mentality has not yet
reached its final form.
I don't think Meds played even close to unbeatable... looked to me like >> pretty standard Meds playing well. Maybe served close unbreakable on 2nd >> set.
I stand by my point that Alkie's game has too much elements of risk &
improvisation. When it works it's wonderful to watch. I believe that
Ferrero said early in their relationship that he will let Alkie play
freely, what he feels like doing, not going to rein in his play. I have >> felt all the way that Alkie makes a lot of "wrong" decisions/shots on
the court. I think his shot selection should veer towards percentage
play due time... Then again it appears that there are not many players
forcing him to do so! Maybe he'll be soon so good that his shot
selection doesn't even matter much...
So you think he needs to be a lot more boring, like Djokovic, right? ;) Screw that. People are excited to see him play because he *isn't* like that. It's like in 1980s heavyweight boxing when there were all these slippin' and a slidin' schmoo
Hehextended dry spell without results, his team would need to make adjustments. If he's still winning tournaments and getting to semis at least, I'd say he's doing pretty damn well. The only change I'd make is tell him to stop pointing to his fucking ear
IMO Ferrero knows exactly what he's doing. He developed Alcaraz based on his strengths, nurturing his spontaneous nature. Last night, Ferrero & co. were urging him "be brave!" And when it works, it's spectacular. I'd say, if he goes through an
Yeah, both were doing the ear thing.
Today the problem is ears again... goddamn Saba is shouting loud.
Also, I disagree that it was average Medvedev play last night. Looked to me like he was maxing out.
Ok
Meds obviously can beat Djoke. Should be a close one.
I hope so. It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.Probably side with Djokovic...as he'll be making new slam record and New Yorkers apparently like to brag "I was there"...
And playing against a russkie, too.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 1:57:29 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote: >>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
"I have to find the right serve every time, and I have to serve better to be able to stay in a good position after the serve," he said. "I will do it in the next game."
https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/38356988/what-went-wrong-defending-champ-carlos-alcaraz-us-open
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
It won't happen.
Now that they've warned that up to Djokovic, New York Jews will always hate Russian more than a mini-Russian (Serbl).
In their sick minds, Medvedev is Dr. Evil and Djokovic is Mini-Me.
So the crowd is going to treat Medvedev unfairly, boo him before serve and such classesles stuff and throw him off.
On 9/09/2023 11:24 pm, Gracchus wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
As well as Medvedev played it still was short of the best stuff we've
seen from Alcaraz. Great win for Medvedev, not much more to say except
let's see you win the final and beat Carlos again in a slam.
On 9/09/2023 11:24 pm, Gracchus wrote:his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough, so
As well as Medvedev played it still was short of the best stuff we've
seen from Alcaraz. Great win for Medvedev, not much more to say except
RaspingDrive kirjoitti 10.9.2023 klo 5.03:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 1:57:29 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote: >>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
"I have to find the right serve every time, and I have to serve better to be able to stay in a good position after the serve," he said. "I will do it in the next game."
https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/38356988/what-went-wrong-defending-champ-carlos-alcaraz-us-open"Medvedev won the mental game"
...That's about all that needs be said.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:55:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On 9/09/2023 11:24 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
As well as Medvedev played it still was short of the best stuff we'veAlcaraz remained relatively distracted throughout. Meds was focused.
seen from Alcaraz. Great win for Medvedev, not much more to say except
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:25:26 AM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:55:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/09/2023 11:24 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
Did you mean Alcaraz was overwhelmed instead of distracted?As well as Medvedev played it still was short of the best stuff we've seen from Alcaraz. Great win for Medvedev, not much more to say exceptAlcaraz remained relatively distracted throughout. Meds was focused.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:21:06 AM UTC-4, TT wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
RaspingDrive kirjoitti 10.9.2023 klo 5.03:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 1:57:29 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
"Medvedev won the mental game"
"I have to find the right serve every time, and I have to serve better to be able to stay in a good position after the serve," he said. "I will do it in the next game."
https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/38356988/what-went-wrong-defending-champ-carlos-alcaraz-us-open
...That's about all that needs be said.
That's all that is needed, wouldn't you think? All these guys are talented. Meds was totally focused and blasted returns that left Alcaraz dazed.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:06:36 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 5:38:04 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
How can he be overrated, baboon? He's 20 and has two slams, four Masters 1000s, youngest to be number one in Open Era.
You have some warped definition of overrated.He says he's a coach. Hmmm...
There is however, excessive hype around him to the point of hysteria i.e. he'll surpass the Big Three's numbers. I doubt it.
He was reveling in the adulation when Medvedev was blasting his serves.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote:
He was reveling in the adulation when Medvedev was blasting his serves.Yes. Alcaraz was humbled by Medvedev yesterday. He needs to dial things down a bit.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:20:09 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:25:26 AM UTC-4, RaspingDrive wrote: >>> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 7:55:39 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 9/09/2023 11:24 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>> The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Two slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not >being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
Did you mean Alcaraz was overwhelmed instead of distracted?As well as Medvedev played it still was short of the best stuff we'veAlcaraz remained relatively distracted throughout. Meds was focused.
seen from Alcaraz. Great win for Medvedev, not much more to say except
Yes, Alcaraz got his ass kicked hard!
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:29:28 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:so his UE count rose. It was a surprise, but not a huge mystery.
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 22.46:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 20.57:
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:26:34 AM UTC-7, RaspingDrive wrote: >>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:24:40 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:13:11 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rTwo slams at 20 isn't too shabby. He just got outplayed on a particular day, which can and does happen to every player. It doesn't mean Medvedev has "mastered" Alcaraz. At least not based on the evidence of one match.
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)
Overrated is a tough word. He is definitely great player but he just turned 20 and lacks experience which makes him vulnerable to different styles of plays.
I like the kid a lot.
Medvedev said beforehand he knew his level would need to be super-high to beat Alcaraz, and it was. He played a lot better than in their last two matches. Alcaraz meanwhile, got frustrated at not being able to "hit through" Medvedev often enough,
decisively in their last two matches, then he loses one and he's suddenly a hapless schlub whose game needs an total overhaul. Perspective, dude!
His serve has to improve, maybe? Meds learned quickly how to counter him. Coming to the net behind serves is tough. As TT mentioned, what happened to his ground game?
Medvedev was fielding everything and Carlos was pushing too hard to end points fast. Medvedev assessed his own level as "12" on a scale of "10" last night. That's tough to handle no matter who you are. You guys are hilarious. Alcaraz beat Medvedev
fighters and then Mike Tyson came along.It's a learning experience. Obviously his game/mentality has not yet
reached its final form.
I don't think Meds played even close to unbeatable... looked to me like >>>> pretty standard Meds playing well. Maybe served close unbreakable on 2nd >>>> set.
I stand by my point that Alkie's game has too much elements of risk &
improvisation. When it works it's wonderful to watch. I believe that
Ferrero said early in their relationship that he will let Alkie play
freely, what he feels like doing, not going to rein in his play. I have >>>> felt all the way that Alkie makes a lot of "wrong" decisions/shots on
the court. I think his shot selection should veer towards percentage
play due time... Then again it appears that there are not many players >>>> forcing him to do so! Maybe he'll be soon so good that his shot
selection doesn't even matter much...
So you think he needs to be a lot more boring, like Djokovic, right? ;) Screw that. People are excited to see him play because he *isn't* like that. It's like in 1980s heavyweight boxing when there were all these slippin' and a slidin' schmoo
extended dry spell without results, his team would need to make adjustments. If he's still winning tournaments and getting to semis at least, I'd say he's doing pretty damn well. The only change I'd make is tell him to stop pointing to his fucking earHeh
IMO Ferrero knows exactly what he's doing. He developed Alcaraz based on his strengths, nurturing his spontaneous nature. Last night, Ferrero & co. were urging him "be brave!" And when it works, it's spectacular. I'd say, if he goes through an
Yeah, both were doing the ear thing.
Today the problem is ears again... goddamn Saba is shouting loud.
Also, I disagree that it was average Medvedev play last night. Looked to me like he was maxing out.Ok
Probably side with Djokovic...as he'll be making new slam record and NewMeds obviously can beat Djoke. Should be a close one.
I hope so. It's certainly promising that Medvedev beat him at the USO before, spoiling his party. I hope the crowd is heavily pro-Medvedev to really piss Djoke off.
Yorkers apparently like to brag "I was there"...
And playing against a russkie, too.
Medvedev for his 2nd slam on Sunday.
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 5:38:04 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
PeteWasLucky was right!!!!!!! (for once)How can he be overrated, baboon? He's 20 and has two slams, four Masters 1000s, youngest to be number one in Open Era.
You have some warped definition of overrated.
There is however, excessive hype around him to the point of hysteria i.e. he'll surpass the Big Three's numbers. I doubt it.
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:00:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:53:47 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:51:29 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:What's wrong with Djokovic? Is it something physical?
Come on, Medvedev. Make this into a challenge at least! 🙄They both are looking worn out in the heat. If Medvedev can snag a set, anything could happen. But looks like this could go to a tie-break, which Djokovic loves (most of the time).
My internet/cable tv actually went out for about 20 minutes right at the end of the first set(the one time I want to watch a tennis match!) Did I miss something?
Playing possum again probably.
On 11/09/2023 8:01 am, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:00:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:53:47 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:51:29 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:What's wrong with Djokovic? Is it something physical?
Come on, Medvedev. Make this into a challenge at least! 🙄They both are looking worn out in the heat. If Medvedev can snag a set, anything could happen. But looks like this could go to a tie-break, which Djokovic loves (most of the time).
My internet/cable tv actually went out for about 20 minutes right at the end of the first set(the one time I want to watch a tennis match!) Did I miss something?
Playing possum again probably.
I think he really was feeling it. Previously he'd limp around but then
play like a demon on the very next point. This time he looked like he
was feeling it during the point too. You can never count Djoker out in
long matches, but I suspect his level would have dropped a lot had he
lost that 2nd set. Depends how Medvedev would have held up too lol.
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