• Re: Med - Impressive !

    From Shakes@21:1/5 to Shakes on Fri Sep 8 17:37:38 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:34:51 PM UTC-7, Shakes wrote:
    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.

    Neutralized Alcaraz's wide serve to the FH in the deuce court. Great adjustment. High level of play so far.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Fri Sep 8 20:43:18 2023
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    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.

    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.

    Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.
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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 8 17:47:06 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:43:22 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    "Shakes" <kvcs...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.


    I think he did make Med pay for his court position in the 1st set with some great drop shots. But I think Med made some adjustments by removing the angles, increasing the depth.

    Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.
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    Not sure. Med served quite poorly through most of the 1st set, missing a lot of 1st serves. He still managed to hold on. In fact, that probably increased his confidence and he relaxed a little, and his serving improved.




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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 20:57:29 2023
    Not sure. Med served quite poorly through most of the 1st set, missing a lot of 1st serves. He still managed to hold on. In fact, that probably increased his confidence and he relaxed a little, and his serving improved.

    Not sure, I see Medvedev have been serving unreturnables on 1st and 2nd serves.

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 8 17:59:30 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:54:10 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well
    Correction: find a way to get Medvedev to pay for his court ****
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    I understood what you meant. :)

    But Med has really played impressive so far. Good to see.

    BTW, no matter who he plays, Djok will get a chance for some revenge.

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 8 18:02:57 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:57:35 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Not sure. Med served quite poorly through most of the 1st set, missing a lot of 1st serves. He still managed to hold on. In fact, that probably increased his confidence and he relaxed a little, and his serving improved.
    Not sure, I see Medvedev have been serving unreturnables on 1st and 2nd serves.
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    Well, as per stats, Med has 4 aces and 6 DFs. Alcaraz has a higher % of 1st serves (70 vs. 62).

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Fri Sep 8 21:08:38 2023
    Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:54:10PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well> Correction: find a way to
    get Medvedev to pay for his court ****> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlI understood what you meant. :)But Med has really played impressive so far. Good to see. BTW, no matter who he plays,
    Djok will get a chance for some revenge.

    Sure he has been playing unbelievable tennis.
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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Shakes on Fri Sep 8 21:10:43 2023
    Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 5:57:35PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> > Not sure. Med served quite poorly through most of the 1st set, missing a lot of 1st serves. He still managed to hold on. In fact, that probably increased his confidence and he
    relaxed a little, and his serving improved.> Not sure, I see Medvedev have been serving unreturnables on 1st and 2nd serves.> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlWell, as per stats, Med has 4
    aces and 6 DFs. Alcaraz has a higher % of 1st serves (70 vs. 62).

    Aces and %1st serve aren't good measure for the unreturnables on both serves.


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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 00:34:48 2023
    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 20:54:07 2023
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well

    Correction: find a way to get Medvedev to pay for his court ****


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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 04:38:22 2023
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:
    "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.

    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.

    Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.

    Good serving from Meds & standard play.
    Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a bit.

    Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Fri Sep 8 22:28:04 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> > Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play
    medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.Good serving from Meds & standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor
    choices, choking a bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...

    Standard play? :) yes sure
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 05:47:46 2023
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> > Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play
    medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.Good serving from Meds & standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor
    choices, choking a bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...

    Standard play? :) yes sure

    Yes. Meds played his average play. Alkie was full of errors. Nothing
    special really. Meds serving great in 2nd set.

    Fun to see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I felt that
    Alkie didn't believe in his ground game.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sat Sep 9 00:04:59 2023
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> >
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a
    chance.Good serving from Meds & standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...> > Standard play? :) yes sureYes. Meds played his average play. Alkie was full of errors.
    Nothing special really. Meds serving great in 2nd set.Fun to see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I felt that Alkie didn't believe in his ground game.

    Alcaraz was full of errors because medvedev was getting every ball back with interest and was rarely missing.

    The same applies to Alcaraz not trusting his ground game, it was because of medvedev madness.

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 01:11:24 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:15:44 AM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    Meds has something to do with it yes. And no, Alkie made mistakes that didn't depend on Meds's play. Bad mistakes and plenty of them. Alkie can hang with Meds from back of the court.

    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much on feeling, confidence & improvisation. He often improvises too much, goes
    for crazy shots too much.

    Like Mandlikova back in 80:ies?

    He's also a choker and can lose confidence abruptly. Talented as hell,
    but not perfect.

    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.

    Dunno about choker *) ; he is that young and too much succee already to make any claim (compare to Lendl's start)

    *) Did in Wimb final quite well, right?

    Though all creds to Meds.

    .mikko

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 10:15:39 2023
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 7.04:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> >
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a
    chance.Good serving from Meds & standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...> > Standard play? :) yes sureYes. Meds played his average play. Alkie was full of errors.
    Nothing special really. Meds serving great in 2nd set.Fun to see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I felt that Alkie didn't believe in his ground game.

    Alcaraz was full of errors because medvedev was getting every ball back with interest and was rarely missing.

    The same applies to Alcaraz not trusting his ground game, it was because of medvedev madness.


    Meds has something to do with it yes. And no, Alkie made mistakes that
    didn't depend on Meds's play. Bad mistakes and plenty of them. Alkie can
    hang with Meds from back of the court.

    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much on feeling, confidence & improvisation. He often improvises too much, goes
    for crazy shots too much.

    He's also a choker and can lose confidence abruptly. Talented as hell,
    but not perfect.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 11:41:01 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 11.11:
    *) Did in Wimb final quite well, right?

    Certainly. I think he's natural on grass. His variety fits great for the surface.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 09:27:36 2023
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.

    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 06:35:24 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 16:57:56 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko

    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against
    Delpo. Alkie didn't.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 17:45:49 2023
    On 9.9.2023 16.57, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the
    match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he
    had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with
    a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also
    tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping
    business.

    .mikko

    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear

    https://youtu.be/Tlm_1LIbKOs?t=57

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 08:02:04 2023
    On 9/9/23 12:15 AM, TT wrote:
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 7.04:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in
    message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes"
    <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play
    by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> > Alcaraz has to
    find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play
    medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as
    well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has
    to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a chance.Good serving from Meds &
    standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a
    bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...> >
    Standard play? :) yes sureYes. Meds played his average play. Alkie
    was full of errors. Nothing special really. Meds serving great in
    2nd set.Fun to see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I
    felt that Alkie didn't believe in his ground game.

    Alcaraz was full of errors because medvedev was getting every ball
    back with interest and was rarely missing.

    The same applies to Alcaraz not trusting his ground game, it was
    because of medvedev madness.


    Meds has something to do with it yes. And no, Alkie made mistakes that
    didn't depend on Meds's play. Bad mistakes and plenty of them. Alkie
    can hang with Meds from back of the court.

    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much
    on feeling, confidence & improvisation.
    He is the Charlie Parker of modern tennis.
    He often improvises too much, goes for crazy shots too much.

    He's also a choker and can lose confidence abruptly. Talented as hell,
    but not perfect.


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  • From grif@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 16:21:47 2023
    On 09/09/2023 08:15, TT wrote:
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 7.04:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes" <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> >
    Alcaraz has to find a way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also, Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in order Alcaraz cann have a
    chance.Good serving from Meds & standard play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a bit.Maybe Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...> > Standard play? :) yes sureYes. Meds played his average play. Alkie was full of errors.
    Nothing special really. Meds serving great in 2nd set.Fun to see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I felt that Alkie didn't believe in his ground game.

    Alcaraz was full of errors because medvedev was getting every ball back with interest and was rarely missing.

    The same applies to Alcaraz not trusting his ground game, it was because of medvedev madness.


    Meds has something to do with it yes. And no, Alkie made mistakes that didn't depend on Meds's play. Bad mistakes and plenty of them. Alkie can hang with Meds from back of the court.

    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much on feeling, confidence & improvisation. He often improvises too much, goes for crazy shots too much.

    He's also a choker and can lose confidence abruptly. Talented as hell, but not perfect.

    I heard he could crush a man's skull with one hand.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Sep 9 08:15:28 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:02:08 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/9/23 12:15 AM, TT wrote:


    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much
    on feeling, confidence & improvisation.

    He beats everyone in his path to win the USO or Wimbledon, he's a scintillating phenom. He loses in the USO semis to a zoning Russian, his game is fundamentally flawed Ah, hell, back to the drawing board, Carlos. :)

    He is the Charlie Parker of modern tennis.

    Hopefully he lasts a bit longer. Laying off the heroin would help.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sat Sep 9 18:32:27 2023
    On 9.9.2023 18.15, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:02:08 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/9/23 12:15 AM, TT wrote:


    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much
    on feeling, confidence & improvisation.

    He beats everyone in his path to win the USO or Wimbledon, he's a scintillating phenom. He loses in the USO semis to a zoning Russian, his game is fundamentally flawed Ah, hell, back to the drawing board, Carlos. :)


    Tiny's ray of hope is that Alcatraz keeps beating Djok until next year
    when mancrush Rafito comes back and wins RG. Then Tiny can declare him
    GOAT. In the meantime, everytime Alcatraz does beat Djok, he's the
    greatest thing around. When he fails to stop Djok, he's again a choker
    and a "fundamentally flawed" player.

    *Rolls eyes*

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 08:48:12 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:58:01 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko
    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against

    Nadal had always best ..or most numerous?... excuses. He always had a luxury to refer "I did run tons in previous match". He is only sport athlete who had
    written injury report confirmed already before the match...?

    Even if Nadal got lucky with Balco scandal back then, props for successful hair implants 2016.

    Single best excuse ever of a match is Iceberg's pizza for Sampras. Golden stuff. Injuries are so easy and lazy....

    .mikko

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 19:04:14 2023
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 18.32:
    On 9.9.2023 18.15, Gracchus wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:02:08 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/9/23 12:15 AM, TT wrote:


    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much
    on feeling, confidence & improvisation.

    He beats everyone in his path to win the USO or Wimbledon, he's a
    scintillating phenom. He loses in the USO semis to a zoning Russian,
    his game is fundamentally flawed Ah, hell, back to the drawing board,
    Carlos. :)


    Tiny's ray of hope is that Alcatraz keeps beating Djok until next year
    when mancrush Rafito comes back and wins RG. Then Tiny can declare him
    GOAT. In the meantime, everytime Alcatraz does beat Djok, he's the
    greatest thing around. When he fails to stop Djok, he's again a choker
    and a "fundamentally flawed" player.

    *Rolls eyes*


    Rubbish. I don't think Rafa even comes back, less come back and win slams.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 19:03:06 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 18.48:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:58:01 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>> I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko
    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against

    Nadal had always best ..or most numerous?... excuses. He always had a luxury to refer "I did run tons in previous match". He is only sport athlete who had
    written injury report confirmed already before the match...?


    Sure... all excuses...

    Even if Nadal got lucky with Balco scandal back then, props for successful hair implants 2016.

    Single best excuse ever of a match is Iceberg's pizza for Sampras. Golden stuff. Injuries are so easy and lazy....

    .mikko


    Sounds that you're still bitter about Fedal...

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 09:22:17 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:03:11 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 18.48:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:58:01 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko
    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against

    Nadal had always best ..or most numerous?... excuses. He always had a luxury to refer "I did run tons in previous match". He is only sport athlete who had
    written injury report confirmed already before the match...?

    Sure... all excuses...
    Even if Nadal got lucky with Balco scandal back then, props for successful hair implants 2016.

    Single best excuse ever of a match is Iceberg's pizza for Sampras. Golden stuff. Injuries are so easy and lazy....

    .mikko

    Sounds that you're still bitter about Fedal...

    ? have no reason?

    I like Djokovic, Murray, Delpo, Wawrinka over Fedal. Why should I care about Fedal.

    It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.

    My cup of 2000:s crop is Safin, Kuerten, Murray, Delpo, Meds.

    Of big3 I prefer Djoker, but they all three have tons of stuff to dislike.....

    .mikko

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to grif on Sat Sep 9 18:25:53 2023
    grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> Wrote in message:
    I heard he could crush a man's skull with one hand.



    Or two?

    https://youtu.be/SzZX4dVCW1o?si=tPuyFtI160j2-5py



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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 19:34:13 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 19.22:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:03:11 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 18.48:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:58:01 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>>> I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko
    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against

    Nadal had always best ..or most numerous?... excuses. He always had a luxury to refer "I did run tons in previous match". He is only sport athlete who had
    written injury report confirmed already before the match...?

    Sure... all excuses...
    Even if Nadal got lucky with Balco scandal back then, props for successful hair implants 2016.

    Single best excuse ever of a match is Iceberg's pizza for Sampras. Golden stuff. Injuries are so easy and lazy....

    .mikko

    Sounds that you're still bitter about Fedal...

    ? have no reason?

    I like Djokovic, Murray, Delpo, Wawrinka over Fedal. Why should I care about Fedal.

    It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.

    My cup of 2000:s crop is Safin, Kuerten, Murray, Delpo, Meds.

    Of big3 I prefer Djoker, but they all three have tons of stuff to dislike.....

    .mikko

    WE all know you're fedfan...

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 10:01:55 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:34:17 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 19.22:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:03:11 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 18.48:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:58:01 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 16.35:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:27:41 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I think Alkie made a rookie mistake; underestimated Meds.
    What does "underestimated" really mean? :)

    Medved was on fire and had this crazy look on his face before the match, during the match and in his previous match, the same look he had when he defeated Djokovic in the US open.
    Every out of the world shot Alcaraz threw on him he answered it with a superior shot.

    Not a case in 2023 previous matches (5 sets all to Alkie)

    Meds raised things. (I have said this for year; this guy has also tennis IQ)

    Just like Del Potro-Nadal SF USO 2009.

    Everyone expected Nadal to sweep, but it was Delpo who did sweeping business.

    .mikko
    Why be dishonest about it?

    Nadal had 6mm abdominal tear beginning of USO 2009 and 26mm against

    Nadal had always best ..or most numerous?... excuses. He always had a luxury to refer "I did run tons in previous match". He is only sport athlete who had
    written injury report confirmed already before the match...?

    Sure... all excuses...
    Even if Nadal got lucky with Balco scandal back then, props for successful hair implants 2016.

    Single best excuse ever of a match is Iceberg's pizza for Sampras. Golden stuff. Injuries are so easy and lazy....

    .mikko

    Sounds that you're still bitter about Fedal...

    ? have no reason?

    I like Djokovic, Murray, Delpo, Wawrinka over Fedal. Why should I care about Fedal.

    It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.

    My cup of 2000:s crop is Safin, Kuerten, Murray, Delpo, Meds.

    Of big3 I prefer Djoker, but they all three have tons of stuff to dislike.....

    .mikko
    WE all know you're fedfan...

    I do not care what others think:

    I like Stich, Safin, Kuerten, Rios, Hingis, Delpo, Jankovic (if I had to pick one: Hingis, then Safin)
    I like tier2 : Becker, Lendl, Murray.

    Of "big three" : it is Djoker > Fed > Nadal. They all have their pros an cons.

    Fed/Nadal just loses the extra point - just not being fun enough? (their press conferences always were snore stuff - compared to Meds/Rublev/Djoker).

    .mikko

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 14:32:23 2023
    Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.

    Is this an issue?


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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sat Sep 9 12:19:17 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:32:28 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.
    Is this an issue?

    Well, you have to see the ball, right?

    Note; I also have had eye laser surgery 2011, but technically it is like any artificial boost?

    If smt like above is allowed, why not similar enhancements to other parts of your body?

    Of course Nadal hair implant is innocent for tennis game sense....

    .mikko

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 16:22:05 2023
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Shakes on Sun Sep 10 21:05:09 2023
    On 9/09/2023 10:34 am, Shakes wrote:
    Great composure and play by Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.


    And no let up the whole match - crazy impressive.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 21:36:59 2023
    On 9/09/2023 5:15 pm, TT wrote:
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 7.04:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 5.28:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in
    message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 3.43:> "Shakes"
    <kvcshake@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> Great composure and play by
    Med so far. Hung tough and is playing solid.> > Alcaraz has to find a
    way to pay for his court position. If he continues to play medved's
    game staying very back he will lose and get injured as well.> > Also,
    Medvedev is serving like a maniac, his percentage has to drop in
    order Alcaraz cann have a chance.Good serving from Meds & standard
    play.Alkie making lots of errors & poor choices, choking a bit.Maybe
    Alkie is turning the match around... could go to 5th...> > Standard
    play? :) yes sureYes. Meds played his average play. Alkie was full of
    errors. Nothing special really. Meds serving great in 2nd set.Fun to
    see so much s/v from Alcaraz. Probably too much. I felt that Alkie
    didn't believe in his ground game.

    Alcaraz was full of errors because medvedev was getting every ball
    back with interest and was rarely missing.

    The same applies to Alcaraz not trusting his ground game, it was
    because of medvedev madness.


    Meds has something to do with it yes. And no, Alkie made mistakes that
    didn't depend on Meds's play. Bad mistakes and plenty of them. Alkie can
    hang with Meds from back of the court.

    There is a fundamental flaw with Alcaraz's game; it's based too much on feeling, confidence & improvisation. He often improvises too much, goes
    for crazy shots too much.

    He's also a choker and can lose confidence abruptly. Talented as hell,
    but not perfect.


    Yes Carlos does tend to go walkabout in many matches. This is due to a
    number of reasons, eg he's young and inexperienced, he has too many
    options which makes it harder to determine the best option, he admits to
    trying to entertain the crowd etc. It really took Medvedev playing his
    10/10 game and Carlos at about 70% for this result to happen. AO should
    be interesting.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 21:38:55 2023
    On 9/09/2023 6:41 pm, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 11.11:
    *) Did in Wimb final quite well, right?

    Certainly. I think he's natural on grass. His variety fits great for the surface.


    Yes Wimbledon should be his most successful slam - he beat Medvedev in
    semis 63 63 63 - but should win all the slam multiple times, unless
    something very strange happens : )

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Sep 10 22:16:45 2023
    On 10/09/2023 6:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?



    It's pretty obvious no?

    If your eyesight degrades naturally with age should you be allowed to artificially improve it with surgery so it enhances your tennis? If yes
    then should you be able to artificially improve your stamina/muscles etc
    as they degrade with age too? Or should we just allow Federer to cheat
    because he has 'beautiful' style on his strokes?

    In short, Federer is a cheat who couldn't do it naturally.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Sep 10 06:10:40 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:16:59 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 6:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?

    It's pretty obvious no?

    If your eyesight degrades naturally with age should you be allowed to artificially improve it with surgery so it enhances your tennis? If yes
    then should you be able to artificially improve your stamina/muscles etc
    as they degrade with age too? Or should we just allow Federer to cheat because he has 'beautiful' style on his strokes?
    ,
    In short, Federer is a cheat who couldn't do it naturally.

    Same with Navratilova, Ashe, etc--they actually were allowed to wear CORRECTIVE LENSES during their matches. I mean, if shouldn't the opponent be allowed a compensatory third serve or something? The outrages never cease.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Whisper on Sun Sep 10 06:35:54 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:16:59 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 6:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?

    It's pretty obvious no?

    If your eyesight degrades naturally with age should you be allowed to artificially improve it with surgery so it enhances your tennis? If yes
    then should you be able to artificially improve your stamina/muscles etc
    as they degrade with age too? Or should we just allow Federer to cheat because he has 'beautiful' style on his strokes?

    In short, Federer is a cheat who couldn't do it naturally.

    wtf!
    You forgot that Nadal had hair transplant and Sampras took Viagra.

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  • From joh@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sun Sep 10 08:34:24 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:19:19 PM UTC+2, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:32:28 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Fed and Tiger woods have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early 2000s.
    Is this an issue?
    Well, you have to see the ball, right?

    Note; I also have had eye laser surgery 2011, but technically it is like any artificial boost?

    If smt like above is allowed, why not similar enhancements to other parts of your body?

    Of course Nadal hair implant is innocent for tennis game sense....

    A butt plug would be non-trivial though. A lot of energy saved.


    .mikko

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  • From joh@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Sep 10 08:37:50 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 3:35:56 PM UTC+2, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:16:59 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 6:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?

    It's pretty obvious no?

    If your eyesight degrades naturally with age should you be allowed to artificially improve it with surgery so it enhances your tennis? If yes then should you be able to artificially improve your stamina/muscles etc as they degrade with age too? Or should we just allow Federer to cheat because he has 'beautiful' style on his strokes?

    In short, Federer is a cheat who couldn't do it naturally.
    wtf!
    You forgot that Nadal had hair transplant and Sampras took Viagra.

    There's even been talk people practice their serve. Dirty cheaters!

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sun Sep 10 08:56:28 2023
    On 9/10/23 6:10 AM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:16:59 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 10/09/2023 6:22 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I guess I may be missing something here.
    You said "It was me who brought the fact that Fed and Tiger woods
    have both artificially lasered 20/20 vision early
    2000s.".
    What is the importance of bringing out this fact?

    It's pretty obvious no?

    If your eyesight degrades naturally with age should you be allowed to
    artificially improve it with surgery so it enhances your tennis? If yes
    then should you be able to artificially improve your stamina/muscles etc
    as they degrade with age too? Or should we just allow Federer to cheat
    because he has 'beautiful' style on his strokes?
    ,
    In short, Federer is a cheat who couldn't do it naturally.
    Same with Navratilova, Ashe, etc--they actually were allowed to wear CORRECTIVE LENSES during their matches. I mean, if shouldn't the opponent be allowed a compensatory third serve or something? The outrages never cease.

    That's because we are living in The Age of Outrage.

    You know, like The Gilded Age, The Age of Enlightenment...

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