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    From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 17:47:42 2023
    I knew he will miss that one.
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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 8 15:16:43 2023
    On 9/8/23 2:47 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.

    Yes, a flaw.

    I don't think he enjoys being at the net very much, either, do you?

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 8 16:02:55 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.

    Back in the day, Edberg's OH was considered relatively iffy as well.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 8 19:56:05 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 9/8/23 2:47 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> I knew he will miss that one.Yes, a flaw.I don't think he enjoys being at the net very much, either, do you?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"When I was back there in
    seminary school, there was a person there who put forth the proposition that you can petition the Lord with prayer..."Petition the lord with prayer..."Petition the lord with prayer..."YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!"--Sawfish

    I think he became a little bit more comfortable volleying in the last two years.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Shakes on Sat Sep 9 07:56:41 2023
    On 9.9.2023 2.02, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.

    He's had maybe two or three iterations with the serve. This one is a
    very uncomplicated motion. I think because of the elbow troubles he's
    had. Can't see anything wrong with it, really. A +200kmh on the line is
    nothing to scoff at.

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Shakes on Sat Sep 9 02:53:51 2023
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:02:57 AM UTC+3, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.

    Back in the day, Edberg's OH was considered relatively iffy as well.

    Wilander brought up some stats (a year ago) in Eurosport analysis; pre 2014 Djoker's OH was actually below average; but since then it has been above average compared to other top50.

    But early reputation remains and gets highlighted when ever he misses.

    .mikko

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Sat Sep 9 14:57:38 2023
    On 9.9.2023 12.53, MBDunc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:02:57 AM UTC+3, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.

    Back in the day, Edberg's OH was considered relatively iffy as well.

    Wilander brought up some stats (a year ago) in Eurosport analysis; pre 2014 Djoker's OH was actually below average; but since then it has been above average compared to other top50.

    But early reputation remains and gets highlighted when ever he misses.

    He was tempting fate with that one high overhead he could of let bounce.
    "I've had trouble with this in tight spots, let's do it again!"

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  • From Shakes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 11:52:45 2023
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:56:44 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 9.9.2023 2.02, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.
    He's had maybe two or three iterations with the serve. This one is a
    very uncomplicated motion. I think because of the elbow troubles he's
    had. Can't see anything wrong with it, really. A +200kmh on the line is nothing to scoff at.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    True, but, for his height, he should be having a better serve, IMO. It's not like he grew up playing on clay like Nadal, where the serve is not as important. I think the racquet plays a part too. From my experience, the wider the frame of the racquet is,
    the harder it is to serve well. For whatever reason, my serve used to be better with the Wilson Pro Staff 90 than the Head Radical.

    Also, I think there's some idiosyncrasy with the mechanics of his forearm + wrist. It could be due to his elbow injuries. Compare his biomechanics to Fed, for example. Fed has a great, easy, loose/relaxed, efficient serve. The best I've seen in recent
    memory.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 21:57:51 2023
    Shakes kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 21.52:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:56:44 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 9.9.2023 2.02, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.
    He's had maybe two or three iterations with the serve. This one is a
    very uncomplicated motion. I think because of the elbow troubles he's
    had. Can't see anything wrong with it, really. A +200kmh on the line is
    nothing to scoff at.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    True, but, for his height, he should be having a better serve, IMO. It's not like he grew up playing on clay like Nadal, where the serve is not as important. I think the racquet plays a part too. From my experience, the wider the frame of the racquet
    is, the harder it is to serve well. For whatever reason, my serve used to be better with the Wilson Pro Staff 90 than the Head Radical.

    Also, I think there's some idiosyncrasy with the mechanics of his forearm + wrist. It could be due to his elbow injuries. Compare his biomechanics to Fed, for example. Fed has a great, easy, loose/relaxed, efficient serve. The best I've seen in recent
    memory.

    Djoke is a stiff.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Shakes on Sat Sep 9 12:13:29 2023
    On 9/9/23 11:52 AM, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 9:56:44 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 9.9.2023 2.02, Shakes wrote:
    On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>> I knew he will miss that one.
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    Yes, Djok's OH is very weak for a pro. By extension, I think his serve still isn't that great either. Biomechanically, I wonder if it's something that can't be fixed ? I mean I am sure, on paper, he knows what it takes.
    He's had maybe two or three iterations with the serve. This one is a
    very uncomplicated motion. I think because of the elbow troubles he's
    had. Can't see anything wrong with it, really. A +200kmh on the line is
    nothing to scoff at.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional
    True, but, for his height, he should be having a better serve, IMO.

    Or at least more forceful, when he wants it.

    I've watched his serve the entire time he's been on TV. I have always
    found it difficult to believe that a player with his sort of serve, in
    terms of what the ball is doing, and how fast/heavy it is, could be a
    top player.

    But I see that he is able to keep people off balance and gets his share
    of aces. MY best guess at present is that he is *extremely* accurate,
    and he hides or deceives the other player so that they have some level
    of trouble reading where it will go.

    At least that's what I think now...

    It's not like he grew up playing on clay like Nadal, where the serve is not as important. I think the racquet plays a part too. From my experience, the wider the frame of the racquet is, the harder it is to serve well. For whatever reason, my serve
    used to be better with the Wilson Pro Staff 90 than the Head Radical.

    Also, I think there's some idiosyncrasy with the mechanics of his forearm + wrist. It could be due to his elbow injuries. Compare his biomechanics to Fed, for example. Fed has a great, easy, loose/relaxed, efficient serve. The best I've seen in recent
    memory.
    It is slick, and there was this tiny idiosyncrratic "hitch" or twist
    just as he brought the racquet up. Didn't harm a thing, and I looked at
    it as a sort of trademark.


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