• Re: Zverev beats clueless Sinner

    From Gracchus@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Wed Sep 6 07:57:17 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 07:48:49 2023
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

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  • From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Sep 6 10:09:08 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!

    No, a fukking jew with a long nose, hebe! Cahill the opportunist with no talent is the man!

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Wed Sep 6 13:49:36 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!


    No, Sinner needs a lobotomy. He's just not good enough compared to other top tier players. The positive about him is that he has heart. He wants to do whatever it takes to improve.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Sep 6 13:51:33 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!

    Say whatever you want about Gilbert but he's 100% a good tennis analyst. That's what kept him in the top ten for so long.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 14:23:03 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 1:51:35 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike into multi-slam winning
    champions!

    Say whatever you want about Gilbert but he's 100% a good tennis analyst. That's what kept him in the top ten for so long.

    His dirty gamesmanship kept his rank up more than "analysis." That was the whole point of his book.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to olympia0000@yahoo.com on Wed Sep 6 17:20:33 2023
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: > > > This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of
    continually flaking out at slams!> It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike
    into multi-slam winning champions!Say whatever you want about Gilbert but he's 100% a good tennis analyst. That's what kept him in the top ten for so long.

    Who are these top ten?

    https://youtu.be/M54g3kReXYU?si=UZyT1Q4dli4O2vtO&t=40s

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Sep 6 14:53:58 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:23:05 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 1:51:35 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike into multi-slam winning
    champions!

    Say whatever you want about Gilbert but he's 100% a good tennis analyst. That's what kept him in the top ten for so long.
    His dirty gamesmanship kept his rank up more than "analysis." That was the whole point of his book.

    Well, he's part of a very big club amongst tennis players in that respect. Nadal, Djokovic, Tsitsipas, Medvedev and 100s of other players are members of the dirty gamesmanship when necessary club.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Sep 6 14:55:52 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 5:20:37 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Court_1 < Wrote in message:r
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:57:19 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: > > > This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of
    continually flaking out at slams!> It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and journeymen alike
    into multi-slam winning champions!Say whatever you want about Gilbert but he's 100% a good tennis analyst. That's what kept him in the top ten for so long.

    Who are these top ten?

    https://youtu.be/M54g3kReXYU?si=UZyT1Q4dli4O2vtO&t=40s

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    I mean Gilbert was in the top ten when he was playing for a while.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 7 08:52:08 2023
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and >journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve. Gilbert can
    help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Whisper on Wed Sep 6 16:03:18 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and >journeymen alike into multi-slam winning
    champions!

    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.

    Novak benefits from a coach who will carry his bags.

    Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Yeah, I guess he's shown that.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Wed Sep 6 16:16:25 2023
    On 9/6/23 3:52 PM, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a
    slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the
    best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and
    journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.  Gilbert
    can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious
    reason, like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Agreed.

    To some significant degree, pro coaches are "gurus", svengalis. Most
    players who have "arrived" have solid mechanics, with only fine-tuning
    needed, or a specialty re-work, like service motion.

    But I think that Gilbert is guru more than mechanics coach.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 6 19:25:28 2023
    Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Gilbert has no clue what talent means to start with.


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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Sep 6 18:45:56 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:03:20 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.

    Novak benefits from a coach who will carry his bags.

    So true! 😂 Goran seems like a slave/patsy on the Djokovic team to me. One misstep and he's outta there!

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Wed Sep 6 18:43:11 2023
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:25:32 PM UTC-4, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc
    Gilbert has no clue what talent means to start with.
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    ???
    Yes, Gilbert, who was a top ten player for years and who has coached some of the most successful players of all time, doesn't know talent but you, with your arse parked on RST day after day, do! 😏

    You probably don't like him because Gilbert was a Nadal fanatic and was anti-Federer most of the time.

    Seriously, don't be silly. 😉

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 16:22:48 2023
    On 7/09/2023 11:45 am, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:03:20 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.

    Novak benefits from a coach who will carry his bags.

    So true! 😂 Goran seems like a slave/patsy on the Djokovic team to me. One misstep and he's outta there!


    Yes, but he also has helped him improve his serving. Novak never
    focussed much on the serve as he was rock solid from the baseline, so
    just getting the ball started. By improving his serve he could shorten
    points and take control quickly, big help as he ages. 80% of Goran's
    strategy was devoted simply to his serve options, smart to employ a guy
    like that if you want to acquire a great serve.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Thu Sep 7 16:18:30 2023
    On 7/09/2023 9:25 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Gilbert has no clue what talent means to start with.



    He admits he doesn't have any. That's why he looked on enviously at eg
    Agassi thinking how much he could win with that talent. He watched
    Agassi lose winnable matches and knew exactly what he'd do on critical
    points if he had that talent, whereas Agassi had no clue about strategy etc

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Thu Sep 7 11:01:51 2023
    On 7.9.2023 2.16, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/6/23 3:52 PM, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a
    slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the
    best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and
    journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.  Gilbert
    can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious
    reason, like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Agreed.

    To some significant degree,

    *Rolls eyes*

    pro coaches are "gurus", svengalis. Most
    players who have "arrived" have solid mechanics, with only fine-tuning needed, or a specialty re-work, like service motion.

    But I think that Gilbert is guru more than mechanics coach.

    *Rolls eyes*

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Thu Sep 7 10:59:10 2023
    On 7.9.2023 1.52, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam
    winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the
    best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and
    journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.  Gilbert can
    help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Gilbert's work with Roddick is legendary. Make a player that is like a
    fish out of water at the net a CC approaching slam slot machine for Federer.

    KA-CHING!

    --
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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 01:06:29 2023
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 21:49:38 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    No, Sinner needs a lobotomy. He's just not good enough compared to other top tier players. The positive about him is that he has heart. He wants to do whatever it takes to improve.

    that the problem there's nobody with him to tell him what to improve!

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  • From me@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 01:31:09 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 8:59:18 AM UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 7.9.2023 1.52, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam >>> winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the
    best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and
    journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic. Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve. Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc
    Gilbert's work with Roddick is legendary. Make a player that is like a
    fish out of water at the net a CC approaching slam slot machine for Federer.

    KA-CHING!

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 11:38:26 2023
    On 7.9.2023 11.31, me wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 8:59:18 AM UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 7.9.2023 1.52, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam >>>>> winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the
    best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and >>>>> journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve. Gilbert can
    help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc
    Gilbert's work with Roddick is legendary. Make a player that is like a
    fish out of water at the net a CC approaching slam slot machine for Federer. >>
    KA-CHING!

    --
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    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.

    It was? Was Connors a coach?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 7 06:52:41 2023
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 14:43:48 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his one-
    month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Uncle Toni should take on Sinner.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 7 06:43:46 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.

    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his one-
    month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Thu Sep 7 07:02:19 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 6:52:44 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 14:43:48 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his
    one-month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Uncle Toni should take on Sinner.

    He didn't do much for FAA--other than demoralize him be rooting AGAINST him.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 00:00:00 2023
    On 7/09/2023 6:38 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 7.9.2023 11.31, me wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 8:59:18 AM UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>> On 7.9.2023 1.52, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 12:57 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg
    wrote:

    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam >>>>>> winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!

    It has to be Brad Gilbert! Haven't you heard? Gilbert is not only the >>>>> best tennis commentator and analyst in the world now, but an
    infallible Svengali of a coach guaranteed to transform green kids and >>>>>> journeymen alike into multi-slam winning champions!


    Gilbert wouldn't be good for all players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.  Gilbert can >>>> help talented players who are underperforming for no obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc
    Gilbert's work with Roddick is legendary. Make a player that is like a
    fish out of water at the net a CC approaching slam slot machine for
    Federer.

    KA-CHING!

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.

    It was? Was Connors a coach?



    He coached Sharapova for 1 day. She couldn't take it anymore and sacked
    him. People look at Jimmy and think they could learn a lot from his
    street fighter qualities, but the problem is that's what he's like off
    court too, what you see is what you get.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Whisper on Thu Sep 7 07:08:57 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:00:08 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

    He coached Sharapova for 1 day. She couldn't take it anymore and sacked
    him. People look at Jimmy and think they could learn a lot from his
    street fighter qualities, but the problem is that's what he's like off
    court too, what you see is what you get.

    You can tell he'd have no patience for players who want to be moody, indulge in angst, or push back against his approach. Nor is he the type to hold their hand and soft-soap them just because they are paying him. Sharapova seems like a control freak who
    couldn't take that. Obviously, Jimmy doesn't need the money, so if a player won't embrace what he offers, he wouldn't waste his time.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Fri Sep 8 00:18:38 2023
    On 8/09/2023 12:08 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:00:08 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

    He coached Sharapova for 1 day. She couldn't take it anymore and sacked
    him. People look at Jimmy and think they could learn a lot from his
    street fighter qualities, but the problem is that's what he's like off
    court too, what you see is what you get.

    You can tell he'd have no patience for players who want to be moody, indulge in angst, or push back against his approach. Nor is he the type to hold their hand and soft-soap them just because they are >paying him. Sharapova seems like a control freak
    who couldn't take that. Obviously, Jimmy doesn't need the money, so if a player won't embrace what he offers, he wouldn't waste his time.


    Yes, you'd have to be prepared to be cucked because Jimmy will do it his
    way, no mollycoddling. Lendl is similar, didn't work with Zverev but
    went great with Murray as he's a cuck by nature.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Thu Sep 7 09:18:51 2023
    On 9/7/23 1:06 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 21:49:38 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>> This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    No, Sinner needs a lobotomy. He's just not good enough compared to other top tier players. The positive about him is that he has heart. He wants to do whatever it takes to improve.
    that the problem there's nobody with him to tell him what to improve!

    There's the distinct possibility that he's shown us all he has. We're
    seeing maximum potential.

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    --Sawfish

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Thu Sep 7 09:21:35 2023
    On 9/6/23 11:18 PM, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 9:25 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Gilbert can help talented players who are underperforming for no
    obvious reason,
    like Agassi, Gauff, Sinner etc

    Gilbert has no clue what talent means to start with.



    He admits he doesn't have any.  That's why he looked on enviously at
    eg Agassi thinking how much he could win with that talent.  He watched Agassi lose winnable matches and knew exactly what he'd do on critical
    points if he had that talent, whereas Agassi had no clue about
    strategy etc

    I think that's exactly right.

    ...and being of a salesman-type personality, he sold them on this, and
    it worked.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Thu Sep 7 09:20:07 2023
    On 9/6/23 11:22 PM, Whisper wrote:
    On 7/09/2023 11:45 am, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:03:20 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    players, eg be useless for Djokovic.
    Novak benefits from specific skills coach for areas he wants to
    improve/shorten points, like Goran who lived on his serve.

    Novak benefits from a coach who will carry his bags.

    So true! 😂 Goran seems like a slave/patsy on the Djokovic team to
    me. One misstep and he's outta there!


    Yes, but he also has helped him improve his serving.  Novak never
    focussed much on the serve as he was rock solid from the baseline, so
    just getting the ball started. By improving his serve he could shorten
    points and take control quickly, big help as he ages.  80% of Goran's strategy was devoted simply to his serve options, smart to employ a
    guy like that if you want to acquire a great serve.

    It's wise to also consider the cultural affinity.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Thu Sep 7 09:24:18 2023
    On 9/7/23 7:18 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 8/09/2023 12:08 am, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 7:00:08 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:

    He coached Sharapova for 1 day. She couldn't take it anymore and sacked
    him. People look at Jimmy and think they could learn a lot from his
    street fighter qualities, but the problem is that's what he's like off
    court too, what you see is what you get.

    You can tell he'd have no patience for players who want to be moody,
    indulge in angst, or push back against his approach. Nor is he the
    type to hold their hand and soft-soap them just because they are
    paying him. Sharapova seems like a control freak who couldn't take
    that. Obviously, Jimmy doesn't need the money, so if a player won't
    embrace what he offers, he wouldn't waste his time.


    Yes, you'd have to be prepared to be cucked because Jimmy will do it
    his way, no mollycoddling.   Lendl is similar, didn't work with Zverev
    but went great with Murray as he's a cuck by nature.


    ...as any glance up into the stands at his mom will confirm.

    --
    --Sawfish ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "Would someone please tell me what 'diddy-wah-diddy' means?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Thu Sep 7 09:50:22 2023
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 17:18:54 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/7/23 1:06 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 21:49:38 UTC+1, Court_1 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
    This is a good result as it's really showing that Sinner needs a slam winning coach instead of continually flaking out at slams!
    No, Sinner needs a lobotomy. He's just not good enough compared to other top tier players. The positive about him is that he has heart. He wants to do whatever it takes to improve.
    that the problem there's nobody with him to tell him what to improve!
    There's the distinct possibility that he's shown us all he has. We're
    seeing maximum potential.

    no we're not, if Sampras or Uncle Toni coached him he'd win a slam or least get to a final.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 7 20:14:41 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:43:48 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his one-
    month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Yeah. Neither Connors or McEnroe are good coach candidates.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Sep 7 20:19:49 2023
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:02:22 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 6:52:44 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 14:43:48 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his
    one-month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Uncle Toni should take on Sinner.

    He didn't do much for FAA--other than demoralize him be rooting AGAINST him.

    Uncle Toni(like Djokovic's father) is one obnoxious sob. They both like to hear themselves talk.
    That whole set-up Toni has with FAA is absurd. I don't know what FAA is getting out of it. He needs to can Toni.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 19:03:35 2023
    On 8/09/2023 1:14 pm, Court_1 wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 9:43:48 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his one-
    month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Yeah. Neither Connors or McEnroe are good coach candidates.


    Agree. Though you could learn a lot by watching their big matches.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 8 19:05:24 2023
    On 8/09/2023 1:19 pm, Court_1 wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:02:22 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 6:52:44 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Thursday, 7 September 2023 at 14:43:48 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 1:31:11 AM UTC-7, me wrote:

    That was under Connors, not Gilbert.
    Good memory. Connors could have done a lot of players good if he had the patience for it. He made an exception for Roddick, but apparently lost interest when he realized Andy didn't have the goods to be a multi-slam winner. Other than that was his
    one-month fiasco with Sharapova both of them would probably like to forget.

    Uncle Toni should take on Sinner.

    He didn't do much for FAA--other than demoralize him be rooting AGAINST him.

    Uncle Toni(like Djokovic's father) is one obnoxious sob. They both like to hear themselves talk.
    That whole set-up Toni has with FAA is absurd. I don't know what FAA is getting out of it. He needs to can Toni.


    Toni is no coach, he's a guru type who may influence his charge to try
    his best etc. Nadal doesn't need any coaching. Toni's efforts with
    Felix prove he's useless as a technical tennis coach.

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