Fuck, two fucking players from Putlerlandia are
playing against each other. I am talking about
Medvedev and Rublev here.
The good news is that one of those bastards
will lose. The bad news is that one of them
will win.
ITF and ATP have no sense of righteousness
at all. All the players from Putlerlandia and
"Belarus" should be banned from playing. Note
that Belarus as a country does not really exist
at all!
It is just a scam, pretending to be an
independent country when in reality it is
nothing but *a part of Putlerlandia*. The
president of Belarus is just a fucking fake
doll only sitting there on his throne, taking
orders from Putler and his criminal friends.
That's ridiculous, everyone can see through
their sick lies!
The fucking Russians should form their own fucking
tennis circuit, just like they have the fucking
pathetic and corrupt KHL in ice hockey. Hahahaa!
Do not watch Medvedev vs Rublev match at all,
my friends! Show some respect and decency towards
Ukraine, please. We have seen what skriptis and
the Iceberg are like. They are Putler's trolls
and very evil indeed.
br,
KK
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting
and entertaining players on tour (in terms of
personality/character), and very smart.
I'll be watching.
Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:> The banned players could then form their own> tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called> "PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.I would like to expand this idea. PATL could haveits ownprestigious Grand Slams called Putler Slams, e.g.1) Moscow Open in Putlerlandia2) Beijing Open in China3) Leningrad Open in Putlerlandia4) Pyongyang Open in North KoreaPATL could also require that all the players*MUST* be unvaccinated and Orthdox
The banned players could then form their own
tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called
"PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.
Are you trying to get Skriptis attention?
I understand the point that you are trying to make
but I definitely don't think it's right to punish
players in individual sports for political reasons.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you trying to get Skriptis attention?No, I am trying to offer great ideas for making PATL
a huge success. If PATL is to be a viable alternative
to ATP and ITF, it needs to be designed with utmost
care and attention.
I understand the point that you are trying to makeAll England Lawn Tennis Club did the right thing when
but I definitely don't think it's right to punish
players in individual sports for political reasons.
they denied access to Putlerlandia freaks. The cowardly
ATP did not like what UK did, so they punished the
players by not awarding them any ATP points in Wimbledon.
Yes, all Putlerlandia freaks must be banned from
ATP, WTA and ITF events.
br,
KK
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining players on tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be watching.
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:18:41 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining players on
tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be watching.
Both players' interviews are always very good and usually very entertaining/fun..
Rublev being a good guy and Meds kind-of-a-bad/sarcastic guy.
It is striking especially compared to some blank paper sheets were have gotten used to....
.mikko
On 7/09/2023 3:14 pm, MBDunc wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:18:41 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining players on >>> tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be
watching.
Both players' interviews are always very good and usually very
entertaining/fun..
Rublev being a good guy and Meds kind-of-a-bad/sarcastic guy.
It is striking especially compared to some blank paper sheets were
have gotten used to....
.mikko
Absolutely. Nadal and Carlos interviews are too predictable and boring.
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interestingThat means implicit support for Putler. You should
and entertaining players on tour (in terms of
personality/character), and very smart.
I'll be watching.
*never* watch or support anyone from Putlerlandia -
unless they clearly support the Western World.
Well, I guess Rublev has said that he opposes the
war in Ukraine, so he might be okay. But ITF and
ATP should kick out all the fucking Putlerlandia
freaks.
The banned players could then form their own
tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called
"PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:rprestigious Grand Slams called Putler Slams, e.g.1) Moscow Open in Putlerlandia2) Beijing Open in China3) Leningrad Open in Putlerlandia4) Pyongyang Open in North KoreaPATL could also require that all the players*MUST* be unvaccinated and Orthdox
Kalevi Kolttonen <kal...@kolttonen.fi> wrote:> The banned players could then form their own> tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called> "PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.I would like to expand this idea. PATL could haveits own
Are you trying to get Skriptis attention?
I understand the point that you are trying to make but I definitely don't think it's right to punish players in individual sports for political reasons.
On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 15:44:11 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:prestigious Grand Slams called Putler Slams, e.g.1) Moscow Open in Putlerlandia2) Beijing Open in China3) Leningrad Open in Putlerlandia4) Pyongyang Open in North KoreaPATL could also require that all the players*MUST* be unvaccinated and Orthdox
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
Kalevi Kolttonen <kal...@kolttonen.fi> wrote:> The banned players could then form their own> tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called> "PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.I would like to expand this idea. PATL could haveits own
his anger to the point he blames all Russians for his physical shape compared to Putler!!Are you trying to get Skriptis attention?
I understand the point that you are trying to make but I definitely don't think it's right to punish players in individual sports for political reasons.he's very angry cos Putin is in such good shape and Kalevi dreams of having the same muscular physique and looks up to him, but Kalevi loves Finland doughnuts too much(+ sometimes Krispy Kremes which he imports at YUGE expense)! all the sugar drives
On 7/09/2023 3:14 pm, MBDunc wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:18:41 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining
players on
tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be
watching.
Both players' interviews are always very good and usually very
entertaining/fun..
Rublev being a good guy and Meds kind-of-a-bad/sarcastic guy.
It is striking especially compared to some blank paper sheets were
have gotten used to....
.mikko
Absolutely. Nadal and Carlos interviews are too predictable and boring.
On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 10:08:30 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:> On Wednesday, 6 September 2023 at 15:44:11 UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r > > > Kalevi Kolttonen <kal...@kolttonen.fi>wrote:> The banned players could then form their own> tennis circuit. I propose that it could be called> "PATL", for Putler's Asshole Tennis League.I would like to expand this idea. PATL could haveits own prestigious Grand Slams called Putler Slams, e.g.
The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> wrote:> he's very angry cos Putin is in such good > shape and Kalevi dreams of having the same muscular > physique and looks up to himOnly repressed gay men like you dream of Putler's "muscular physique". Straightmen do not do that.I have already told you this, but you did notlisten or forgot.br,KK
he's very angry cos Putin is in such good
shape and Kalevi dreams of having the same muscular
physique and looks up to him
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:18:41 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining players on
tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be watching.
Both players' interviews are always very good and usually very entertaining/fun..
Rublev being a good guy and Meds kind-of-a-bad/sarcastic guy.
It is striking especially compared to some blank paper sheets were have gotten used to....
.mikko
On 6/09/2023 11:09 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Fuck, two fucking players from Putlerlandia are
playing against each other. I am talking about
Medvedev and Rublev here.
The good news is that one of those bastards
will lose. The bad news is that one of them
will win.
ITF and ATP have no sense of righteousness
at all. All the players from Putlerlandia and
"Belarus" should be banned from playing. Note
that Belarus as a country does not really exist
at all!
It is just a scam, pretending to be an
independent country when in reality it is
nothing but *a part of Putlerlandia*. The
president of Belarus is just a fucking fake
doll only sitting there on his throne, taking
orders from Putler and his criminal friends.
That's ridiculous, everyone can see through
their sick lies!
The fucking Russians should form their own fucking
tennis circuit, just like they have the fucking
pathetic and corrupt KHL in ice hockey. Hahahaa!
Do not watch Medvedev vs Rublev match at all,
my friends! Show some respect and decency towards
Ukraine, please. We have seen what skriptis and
the Iceberg are like. They are Putler's trolls
and very evil indeed.
br,
KK
Med and Rublev are 2 of the most interesting and entertaining players on
tour (in terms of personality/character), and very smart. I'll be
watching.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:> Rublev has a personality?After matches, that bastard kisses a cross andlooks up to the sky. In his delusions, Jesuscares about his tennis matches. We are talkingabout a real fool here.br,KK
Rublev has a personality?
There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in
existence, according to the various fairy tales
found on this earth.
Which one of those gods protects Rublev? Why? How
can I confirm it?
God protects Rublev.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in existence, according to
the various fairy tales found on this earth.
Which one of those gods protects Rublev? Why? How can I confirm it?
Why do you need to? If this simple ritual after a match gives him
comfort, why should it bother you so much? He's not the only player to
do this, and it's not like Michael Chang imposing his religious
beliefs on the audience in trophy speeches.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in
existence, according to the various fairy tales
found on this earth.
Which one of those gods protects Rublev? Why? How
can I confirm it?
Why do you need to? If this simple ritual after a match gives him comfort, why should it bother you so much? He's not the only player to do this, and it's not like Michael Chang imposing his religious beliefs on the audience in trophy speeches.
The fact is, none of us---even our most brilliant scientists--know much about how this universe works.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 7:42:00 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>
There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in existence, according to
the various fairy tales found on this earth.
Which one of those gods protects Rublev? Why? How can I confirm it?
Why do you need to? If this simple ritual after a match gives him
comfort, why should it bother you so much? He's not the only player to
do this, and it's not like Michael Chang imposing his religious
beliefs on the audience in trophy speeches.
Seen another way, it's like a religious form of "ear cupping" :)
What is this "it's" you are referring to?
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:
What is this "it's" you are referring to?
It was a joke, Gracchus dislikes it when players "cup" their ear to ask
for applause from the crowd. I was comparing it to kissing a cross and looking to the heavens.
On 9/8/23 11:25 AM, Gracchus wrote:the first time I've heard commentators address the practice, and it's been going on for at least two years (Djokovic much longer of course).
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:02:05 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:
What is this "it's" you are referring to?
It was a joke, Gracchus dislikes it when players "cup" their ear to ask >> for applause from the crowd. I was comparing it to kissing a cross and
looking to the heavens.
Oh, I thought you meant Chang's "I want to thank the Lord, Jesus Christ" speech. The cross-kiss makes more sense.
Yeah, the ear-cupping and "give me more love for my brilliant point" gestures still make me want to puke every single time. The other night when Coco did it, Chris Evert observed, "More players are doing that now." And Cliff said, "Oh *yeah*!" It's
https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/06/e845eab675e45d31-600x338.jpeg
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:02:05 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:first time I've heard commentators address the practice, and it's been going on for at least two years (Djokovic much longer of course).
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:Oh, I thought you meant Chang's "I want to thank the Lord, Jesus Christ" speech. The cross-kiss makes more sense.
What is this "it's" you are referring to?It was a joke, Gracchus dislikes it when players "cup" their ear to ask
for applause from the crowd. I was comparing it to kissing a cross and
looking to the heavens.
Yeah, the ear-cupping and "give me more love for my brilliant point" gestures still make me want to puke every single time. The other night when Coco did it, Chris Evert observed, "More players are doing that now." And Cliff said, "Oh *yeah*!" It's the
We do know for 100% certain that the various Bibles
cannot be true, because they are self-contradictory.
Hence it is foolish to believe in them.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:36:17 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:the first time I've heard commentators address the practice, and it's been going on for at least two years (Djokovic much longer of course).
On 9/8/23 11:25 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 11:02:05 AM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:Oh, I thought you meant Chang's "I want to thank the Lord, Jesus Christ" speech. The cross-kiss makes more sense.
What is this "it's" you are referring to?It was a joke, Gracchus dislikes it when players "cup" their ear to ask >>>> for applause from the crowd. I was comparing it to kissing a cross and >>>> looking to the heavens.
Yeah, the ear-cupping and "give me more love for my brilliant point" gestures still make me want to puke every single time. The other night when Coco did it, Chris Evert observed, "More players are doing that now." And Cliff said, "Oh *yeah*!" It's
https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/06/e845eab675e45d31-600x338.jpegThat's a good indication of how classy it is.
Your tongue is you, but does your tongue know
what will say?
Dumbo.
Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:> We do know for 100% certain that the various Bibles > cannot be true, because they are self-contradictory.> > Hence it is foolish to believe in them.Let's take just one fundamental delusion that almostallChristians share. First of all the Christians tell us that their "god" is omniscient.What does omniscient mean? It means someone who knows it all, someone who knows absolutely everything. Christian "god" is supposed to be likethat.Second, almost all
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is "god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god,
not god.
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god, not
god.
On 9.9.2023 2.08, TT wrote:
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god,
not god.
You mean he's like Sonny Twump?
Look "Holy Trinity" up, and you'll be somewhat wiser.
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god, not
god.
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 8.01:
On 9.9.2023 2.08, TT wrote:
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god,
not god.
You mean he's like Sonny Twump?
Look "Holy Trinity" up, and you'll be somewhat wiser.
I don't think Bible claims Jesus as all-knowing.
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god, not
god.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 9.9.2023 klo 8.01:
On 9.9.2023 2.08, TT wrote:
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god,
not god.
You mean he's like Sonny Twump?
Look "Holy Trinity" up, and you'll be somewhat wiser.
I don't think Bible claims Jesus as all-knowing.
All Christians think that their "god" is omniscient,
whether it is in the Bible or not.
Almost all of them also think that Jesus is "god".
br,
KK
On 9/09/2023 9:08 am, TT wrote:
Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 8.9.2023 klo 21.36:
Second, almost all Christians claim that Jesus is
"god"
This may come as a shock to you but Jesus is thought as son of god,
not god.
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the same
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound very mature.
You need to have an open mind when it
comes to 'god' concepts.
Don't take the bible literally, a lot of
it is dumbed down to make sense to
people of that time.
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the same
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound
very mature.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 7:42:00AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> >> There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in >> existence, according to the various fairy tales >> found on this earth. > >> Which oneof those gods protects Rublev? Why? How >> can I confirm it? > > Why do you need to? If this simple ritual after a match gives him comfort, why should it bother you so much? He's not the only player to do this, and it's not like Michael Chang imposing
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the samePlease read Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound
very mature.
and get rid of your delusions.
br,
KK
On 9/10/23 6:23 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the samePlease read Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound
very mature.
and get rid of your delusions.
br,
KK
But can we take it as the Gospel truth?
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do believe in higher power.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:> Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing? I have never said anything like that.> Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it inthe soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?I never said anything like that.> Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.> > None of this was
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/10/23 6:23 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I have no idea what "the Gospel truth" means.
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:But can we take it as the Gospel truth?
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the samePlease read Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound >>>> very mature.
and get rid of your delusions.
br,
KK
br,
KK
Ah, kk. I can see you've not been saved yet.
Come on down to the meetin' by the river
after Sunday school today...
High power means there is a creator, and by
creator we mean God in the religions.
Knowing there is a God (or a creator), follow
what your brain will tell you to do
kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:rof those gods protects Rublev? Why? How >> can I confirm it? > > Why do you need to? If this simple ritual after a match gives him comfort, why should it bother you so much? He's not the only player to do this, and it's not like Michael Chang imposing
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 7:42:00AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:> >> There are hundreds of millions of "gods" in >> existence, according to the various fairy tales >> found on this earth. > >> Which one
So seriously, when you look in the mirror you find yourself that ugly and random that makes you think you were createdn really by big some big explosion?
We emulated the eye to create cameras, the ear to create microphones, we are very excited about neural networks now using couple hundreds of neurons to simulate the brain, .. etc.
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do believe in higher power.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, kk. I can see you've not been saved yet.Fucking churches work exactly like the mob/mafia.
First they threaten you with something, then they
offer you "salvation" with their help.
But it is all just a pack of sick Christian
lies, so in reality there is no need to be "saved"
from anything. "Hell" in Christianity is only
a tool for controlling foolish people.
Come on down to the meetin' by the riverHahahaaa!
after Sunday school today...
br,
KK
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
I used to take the bible literally and had fun with the same
contradictory arguments - when I was 12. How old is KK? Doesn't sound
very mature.
Please read Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion
and get rid of your delusions.
br,
KK
I admired Dawkins in my teens, moved on since then : )
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
I have never said anything like that.
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?
I never said anything like that.
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
I never said anything ike that.
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do believe in higher power.
So far, I said that the Bibles are not trustworthy.
Obviously, your "higher power" needs a clear
and unambiguous definition before one can even
start arguing about it.
To believe in "higher power" is pretty much a
meaningless statement on its own. What are the
implications? Do you perhaps receive messages
from this "higher power"? How can we reason
about it?
br,
KK
On 11/09/2023 1:59 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
I have never said anything like that.
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?
I never said anything like that.
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
I never said anything ike that.
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do believe in higher power.
So far, I said that the Bibles are not trustworthy.
Obviously, your "higher power" needs a clear
and unambiguous definition before one can even
start arguing about it.
To believe in "higher power" is pretty much a
meaningless statement on its own. What are the
implications? Do you perhaps receive messages
from this "higher power"? How can we reason
about it?
br,
KK
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can never know the cosmos, just
as ant can never comprehend sql.
On 11/09/2023 1:59 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
I have never said anything like that.
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for
years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree,
what kind of random act is this?
I never said anything like that.
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think
about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
I never said anything ike that.
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on
the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind
of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do
believe in higher power.
So far, I said that the Bibles are not trustworthy.
Obviously, your "higher power" needs a clear
and unambiguous definition before one can even
start arguing about it.
To believe in "higher power" is pretty much a
meaningless statement on its own. What are the
implications? Do you perhaps receive messages
from this "higher power"? How can we reason
about it?
br,
KK
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can never know the cosmos,
just as ant can never comprehend sql.
On 9/11/23 4:00 AM, Whisper wrote:
To believe in "higher power" is pretty much a
meaningless statement on its own. What are the
implications? Do you perhaps receive messages
from this "higher power"? How can we reason
about it?
br,
KK
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can never know the cosmos,
just as ant can never comprehend sql.
I've heard that they do really good assembly language coding, though.
On 11/09/2023 1:59 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think this all happens randomly with evolution from nothing?
I have never said anything like that.
Simple stuff, bag of seeds in your basement, dry shit in a bag for years, you go out to put it in the soil add water, you get a tree, what kind of random act is this?
I never said anything like that.
Maybe this isn't what you think about all the time, and you think about our external genitals, sexual attraction, sex itself, etc.
None of this was designed and created by higher power??
I never said anything ike that.
But somehow you would ask who made you this sandwich you found on the counter, or wrote this program, .. when it comes to these kind of little things, you never think they found themselves.
Btw, I am not arguing for/or against certain religion, but I do believe in higher power.
So far, I said that the Bibles are not trustworthy.
Obviously, your "higher power" needs a clear
and unambiguous definition before one can even
start arguing about it.
To believe in "higher power" is pretty much a
meaningless statement on its own. What are the
implications? Do you perhaps receive messages
from this "higher power"? How can we reason
about it?
br,'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can never know the cosmos, just
KK
as ant can never comprehend sql.
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almostSo true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other's
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations proneto "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other's
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations proneto "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:s point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other'
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
Goldfish have the ability to do logical reasoning.
br,
KK
On 12/09/2023 6:33 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
Goldfish have the ability to do logical reasoning.
br,They have a short attention span. My fish swims around the bowl and is always surprised to see the same rock.
KK
On 12/09/2023 6:33 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen
wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my
goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the
better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours,
with each of us scoring points and considering the other's
point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the
original's superior story structure has greater merit than the
sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT,
Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of
course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution,
whereas the AIs are primitive human creations prone to
"hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and
talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
Goldfish have the ability to do logical reasoning.
br,
KK
They have a short attention span. My fish swims around the bowl and
is always surprised to see the same rock.
On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 5:35:55 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 12/09/2023 6:33 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
They have a short attention span. My fish swims around the bowl and is
br,
KK
always surprised to see the same rock.
And you knew they are surprised how? You get surprised too?
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other's
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations proneto "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:s point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other'
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I
answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc).
What does your goldfish think of the black princess Ariel?
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:s point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the other'
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans canNo, reasoning is an universal act that almost
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where IMaybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't
understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc).
What does your goldfish think of the black princess Ariel?She wonders why princesses are always black these days and never orange.
Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had
some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc).Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
What does your goldfish think of the black princess Ariel?She wonders why princesses are always black these days and never orange.
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> writes:
Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.Speaking of "AI", this article about an "AI" attempt at an obit for a sportsman had me rolling.
https://futurism.com/msn-ai-brandon-hunter-useless
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:58:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans canNo, reasoning is an universal act that almost
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I wonder what Bard makes of "I am the walrus?"For lyrics, yeah, maybe AI can do analysis. But for appreciating the actual music, can it do that?I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I
answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't
understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc). >> Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
What does your goldfish think of the black princess Ariel?She wonders why princesses are always black these days and never orange.
On 9/15/23 9:33 AM, bmoore wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:58:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans canNo, reasoning is an universal act that almost
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I wonder what Bard makes of "I am the walrus?"For lyrics, yeah, maybe AI can do analysis. But for appreciating the actual music, can it do that?I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I >>> answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't >>> understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc).Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 9:40:56 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On 9/15/23 9:33 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:58:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans canNo, reasoning is an universal act that almost
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
Heh. It probably asks for computer-generated acid :-)I wonder what Bard makes of "I am the walrus?"For lyrics, yeah, maybe AI can do analysis. But for appreciating the actual music, can it do that?I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I >>>>> answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't >>>>> understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc).Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:58:45 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:other's point-of-view. Finally, we found common ground, agreeing that the original's superior story structure has greater merit than the sequel's decidedly more advanced animation.
On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:50:33 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
Gracchus kirjoitti 11.9.2023 klo 22.48:
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:41:53 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
'Reasoning' is a human trait, and humans can
never know the cosmos, just as ant can never
comprehend sql.
No, reasoning is an universal act that almost
all living things seem to do. Sadly some people's
logic is so poor that they cannot reason at all.
So true. In fact, just yesterday I had a spirited debate with my goldfish about whether "Finding Nemo" or "Finding Dory" was the better film. Goldie and I went back and forth over it for hours, with each of us scoring points and considering the
prone to "hallucination" and unexpected biases. Oh, they love to talk and talk, alright. But *reason*? Forget it.
I've been disappointed when discussing this same topic with ChatGPT, Bard, Claude, etc. It confused me until I read your comments. Of course! Goldie is a living thing--an organic product of evolution, whereas the AIs are primitive human creations
I tried a while back to play a movie guessing game with Bard, where I
answer only yes or no. It tried to guess single popular movies, didn't
understand the concept of elimination (eg "Is the film black&white?" etc). >> Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
For lyrics, yeah, maybe AI can do analysis. But for appreciating the actual music, can it do that?
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> writes:
Maybe the problem is Bard-specific or the game might need more "prompt
engineering." I haven't tried anything movie-related with AIs yet. Had
some interesting exchanges about Bob Dylan songs with Claude though.
Speaking of "AI", this article about an "AI" attempt at an obit for a sportsman had me rolling.
https://futurism.com/msn-ai-brandon-hunter-useless
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