I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Ostapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety in
this game and she's awesome : )
On 4/09/2023 3:11 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of
these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she
gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving
with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him
nauseates me.
Gilbert was amazing with what he achieved given his lack of talent -
he was ranked top 10 in 10 of 11 years! He had wins over all the
greats of his era with a soft cock game, it was all brains.
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko
when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.
I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's
so unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status.Â
That's 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena
1st time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with
Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Ostapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety
in this game and she's awesome : )
Yes I tipped coco to win USO mainly because Gilbert is coach, but also
didn't see Iga going all the way. Good opportunity for Pegula too.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:56:14 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:"Variety." Gotta love that euphemism for vile specimens of humanity, like most of your heroes.
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.Ostapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety in
this game and she's awesome : )
On 9/3/23 10:11 PM, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko playThe usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loserWhy be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving withYes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him
Brad Gilbert on her team though.
nauseates me.
Same here.
You've got to give him credit for part of Gauf's increased success,
probably, but I don't think that he's the coach for everyone.
He's a pretty transparent self-centered self-promoter. Sort of a
professional jack-ass.
On 9/4/23 3:20 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:56:14 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety in >> this game and she's awesome : )
"Variety." Gotta love that euphemism for vile specimens of humanity, like most of your heroes.
Well, it's like "inclusiveness" and "diversity", isn't it? Can't really
take a full swing at either without befouling one's self. I suspect "variety" in this context is a Lite version.
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
I don't know what suggests he is a good coach, but I wouldn't tolerate him more than an hour.
I don't think he is capable of offering any intellectual value and I was shocked by his behavior the other day when he was criticizing the opponent slow play. This showed classless personality as well.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:I don't know what suggests he is a good coach, but I wouldn't tolerate him more than an hour.
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
I don't think he is capable of offering any intellectual value and I was shocked by his behavior the other day when he was criticizing the opponent slow play. This showed classless personality as well.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:44:21AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > I was actually watching this match.When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams. > > The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together. > > > Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rmatch. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams. > > The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together. > > > Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > I was actually watching this
I keep wondering how Agassi tolerated him for long time but maybe they are a good match.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
I keep wondering how Agassi tolerated him for long time but maybe they are a good match.Definitely a good match. Two peas in a rotten pod. I remember Gilbert heckling Muster during a USO match the latter had with Agassi. Gilbert couldn't beat Muster himself when still active, so he harassed him while his protege was doing it.
On 9/4/23 1:04 PM, Gracchus wrote:match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams. > > The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together. > > > Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > > I was actually watching this
enjoying vicariously what he would never dare try himselfI keep wondering how Agassi tolerated him for long time but maybe they are a good match.Definitely a good match. Two peas in a rotten pod. I remember Gilbert heckling Muster during a USO match the latter had with Agassi. Gilbert couldn't beat Muster himself when still active, so he harassed him while his protege was doing it.
And that was Agassi's way as well. He told in his memoir about a group of guys ridiculing him when he was with Gil Reyes at some fast food restaurant. So his "muscle" goes over and deals with hooligans while Andre watched from a safe distance,
Sorta like the way Frank Sinatra handled stuff, if what I read was true.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:pace was fun.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Which is also why Rios's victory over Agassi in their 1998 Miami F was one of the enjoyable matches at the time. I think they tried to pull something similar with Rios but it backfired. Plus watching Rios bamboozle Agassi with his angles and change ofI keep wondering how Agassi tolerated him for long time but maybe they are a good match.Definitely a good match. Two peas in a rotten pod. I remember Gilbert heckling Muster during a USO match the latter had with Agassi. Gilbert couldn't beat Muster himself when still active, so he harassed him while his protege was doing it.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:04:34 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:pace was fun.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:
I keep wondering how Agassi tolerated him for long time but maybe they are a good match.Definitely a good match. Two peas in a rotten pod. I remember Gilbert heckling Muster during a USO match the latter had with Agassi. Gilbert couldn't beat Muster himself when still active, so he harassed him while his protege was doing it.
Which is also why Rios's victory over Agassi in their 1998 Miami F was one of the enjoyable matches at the time. I think they tried to pull something similar with Rios but it backfired. Plus watching Rios bamboozle Agassi with his angles and change of
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st
time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!No, I haven't watched much of her since she won her slam. I have to agree with Whisper on this one that she's interesting to watch when on. You never know what to expect from her. The problem is, she's "on" once every blue moon it seems.
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
I actually quite like Brad Gilbert. He's quirky and can't spell his own name but when it comes to his tennis IQ and his ability to analyze the game, he's very good.
I'll take listening to Brad Gilbert commentate over John McEnroe.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:19:25 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!No, I haven't watched much of her since she won her slam. I have to agree with Whisper on this one that she's interesting to watch when on. You never know what to expect from her. The problem is, she's "on" once every blue moon it seems.
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him nauseates me.
I actually quite like Brad Gilbert. He's quirky and can't spell his own name but when it comes to his tennis IQ and his ability to analyze the game, he's very good.
Gilbert's analysis is overrated
and he's a self-satisfied dick with a face that would be a joy to slap the shit out of.
Case closed.
I'll take listening to Brad Gilbert commentate over John McEnroe.
I'll take neither one whenever possible.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:51:28 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
Gilbert's analysis is overrated
No, it isn't. Say what you want about him but his tennis analysis is excellent.
and he's a self-satisfied dick with a face that would be a joy to slap the shit out of.
Ok.
Case closed.
I don't think so! :)
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:30:46 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Sorta like the way Frank Sinatra handled stuff, if what I read was true.Yep, Ol' Blue Eyes was tough as nails as long as he had some burly goombahs to back him up. He got away with that in many situations. The funniest stories are when he ran into guys unafraid to stand up to him.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:51:28 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
Gilbert's analysis is overrated
No, it isn't. Say what you want about him but his tennis analysis is excellent.That's subjective. Yeah, I know the networks are paying him a lot for his commentary, but I'll bet they're paying McEnroe a lot more.
and he's a self-satisfied dick with a face that would be a joy to slap the shit out of.
Ok.
Case closed.
I don't think so! :)
Well, at the very least, if we voted on it I don't think you'd find many allies. Whisper maybe, and...?
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:42:25 PM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:30:46 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Sorta like the way Frank Sinatra handled stuff, if what I read was true.
Yep, Ol' Blue Eyes was tough as nails as long as he had some burly goombahs to back him up. He got away with that in many situations. The funniest stories are when he ran into guys unafraid to stand up to him.
Speaking of "tough" actors, there are some actors who effortlessly give out the "don't mess with me" vibe. Charles Bronson, for one. He looked menacing.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:11:58 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
Liked the way he used to beat Becker who used to swear at W in German, knowing well the Brits hated to hear German.
Decent coach and has a sense of humor about the whole game, like Jimmy C as a commentator!
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:11:58 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
Liked the way he used to beat Becker who used to swear at W in German, knowing well the Brits hated to hear German. Decent coach and has a sense of humor about the whole game, like Jimmy C as a commentator!
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:24:23 PM UTC-4, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:11:58 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
Liked the way he used to beat Becker who used to swear at W in German, knowing well the Brits hated to hear German. Decent coach and has a sense of humor about the whole game, like Jimmy C as a commentator!
Right! Gilbert knows he a doofus and has a sense of humor about it all.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:something to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
That's why I say I don't like either of them. McEnroe thinks *everything* that comes out of his mouth is gold. He as much as said this when he rated himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova, who speaks mainly when she actually has
Sure, Brad Gilbert runs through the motions of self-deprecation. IMO it's a calculated part of his act and he remains the same unpleasant character he was when on tour. I far prefer sober analysts (Cahill as an offhand example) but they will never getthe money Gilbert does for being "colorful."
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:24:23 PM UTC-4, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:11:58 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
Liked the way he used to beat Becker who used to swear at W in German, knowing well the Brits hated to hear German. Decent coach and has a sense of humor about the whole game, like Jimmy C as a commentator!
Right! Gilbert knows he a doofus and has a sense of humor about it all.
Wow, and you are someone who is supposed to know how showbiz works. Maybe you still think Cosby is "America's Dad"! :)
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:25:45 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:something to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
That's why I say I don't like either of them. McEnroe thinks *everything* that comes out of his mouth is gold. He as much as said this when he rated himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova, who speaks mainly when she actually has
I never heard about that. When did McEnroe say or infer that he rates himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova? Navratilova as a commentator is much better than McEnroe IMO.get the money Gilbert does for being "colorful."
Sure, Brad Gilbert runs through the motions of self-deprecation. IMO it's a calculated part of his act and he remains the same unpleasant character he was when on tour. I far prefer sober analysts (Cahill as an offhand example) but they will never
Cahill is pretty good as a commentator but there's something sleazy/underhanded about him I can't put my finger on. Like he's one of those guys that presents as an all-around good guy but has some kind of S&M set-up in his basement or something.estate) was a tough guy? I could be wrong but somehow I remember that. So, I get the impression that Gilbert had a lot to live up to in his family.
I disagree with you that Gilbert's self-deprecation is an act. I don't get that vibe from him at all. He almost seems to me like he has an inferiority complex. I think he's stated in a printed interview before that his father(who was successful in real
He just seems to me like a nerdy kind of guy who knew he didn't have the tennis talent to be a John McEnroe but he had tennis smarts and ran with that.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:25:45 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:something to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
That's why I say I don't like either of them. McEnroe thinks *everything* that comes out of his mouth is gold. He as much as said this when he rated himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova, who speaks mainly when she actually has
I never heard about that. When did McEnroe say or infer that he rates himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova?
get the money Gilbert does for being "colorful."Sure, Brad Gilbert runs through the motions of self-deprecation. IMO it's a calculated part of his act and he remains the same unpleasant character he was when on tour. I far prefer sober analysts (Cahill as an offhand example) but they will never
Cahill is pretty good as a commentator but there's something sleazy/underhanded about him I can't put my finger on. Like he's one of those guys that presents as an all-around good guy but has some kind of S&M set-up in his basement or something.
I disagree with you that Gilbert's self-deprecation is an act. I don't get that vibe from him at all. He almost seems to me like he has an inferiority complex. I think he's stated in a printed interview before that his father(who was successful in realestate) was a tough guy? I could be wrong but somehow I remember that. So, I get the impression that Gilbert had a lot to live up to in his family.
He just seems to me like a nerdy kind of guy who knew he didn't have the tennis talent to be a John McEnroe but he had tennis smarts and ran with that.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02PMUTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > >Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's
On 9/4/23 2:52 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko
when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.
I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's
so unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status.
That's 4-0 h2h : )
Is that right?
Hmmm...
Over the years I've gotten the impression of a sort of well-concealed
mental fragility in Swiatek. Maybe going into a big match with the idea
that you are 0-3Â against someone (as she was before yesterday's beat
down) was enough to trigger some tightness.
I didn't see the match. What do you think, Whisp?
On 9/4/23 2:55 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving with
Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Ostapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety
in this game and she's awesome : )
Yes I tipped coco to win USO mainly because Gilbert is coach, but also
didn't see Iga going all the way. Good opportunity for Pegula too.
I honestly don't see that Pegula has enough game.
In a sense, she's a female Gilbert--playing way higher than would be indicated by examining their games.
On 9/4/23 3:02 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 3:11 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of
these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she
gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving
with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Yes, it seems to be so. He's a good coach, but everything about him
nauseates me.
Gilbert was amazing with what he achieved given his lack of talent -
he was ranked top 10 in 10 of 11 years! He had wins over all the
greats of his era with a soft cock game, it was all brains.
Yep, I can remember reading about those wins, but he had a game that I
did not enjoy watching. Not sure why.
On 9/4/23 3:20 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:56:14 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:Well, it's like "inclusiveness" and "diversity", isn't it? Can't really
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:"Variety." Gotta love that euphemism for vile specimens of humanity,
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko playOstapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser
she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving
with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need variety in
this game and she's awesome : )
like most of your heroes.
take a full swing at either without befouling one's self. I suspect
"variety" in this context is a Lite version.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st
time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
No, I haven't watched much of her since she won her slam. I have to agree with Whisper on this one that she's interesting to watch when on. You never know what to expect from her. The problem is, she's "on" once every blue moon it seems.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 8:25:45 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:something to say.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's got him >pretty far up the food chain.
This is true. I don't mind that he's a self-promoter so much as that he's an asshole. There's a repulsive smugness I and others see in him that you don't. So there's not much else to say.
For me, he's nowhere near as smug as John McEnroe. Gilbert can laugh at himself..The other commentators on ESPN always make fun of him and he's good-natured about it all. He doesn't take himself too seriously. John McEnroe on the other hand?
That's why I say I don't like either of them. McEnroe thinks *everything* that comes out of his mouth is gold. He as much as said this when he rated himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova, who speaks mainly when she actually has
I never heard about that. When did McEnroe say or infer that he rates himself as a more valuable commentator than Navratilova? Navratilova as a commentator is much better than McEnroe IMO.
On 5/09/2023 7:19 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:08:38 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko play this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.The usual reason with players like this. She can't string enough of these matches together.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Why be sporting with Ostapenko? Have you ever seen the handshakes she gives when she loses? I think she patented the "drive-by"!
No, I haven't watched much of her since she won her slam. I have to agree with Whisper on this one that she's interesting to watch when on. You never know what to expect from her. The problem is, she's "on" once every blue moon it seems.
Yes she's one of the most interesting players on tour, never dull to
watch that's for sure.
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so >> unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
On 5/09/2023 10:55 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > > >Yes, Brad Gilbert is a self-promoter but that doesn't bother me. Why wouldn't somebody promote his business if he had the opportunity to do so? It's
Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:11:58 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote: > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 3:20:53 PM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:06:02 PM
Omg, Chris Evert can't hide how much she dislikes Gilbert to the extent she becomes unable to make a complete sentence when she is talking to him.
You think some sexual tension there?
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will beI like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into
Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into
high gear now.
she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st
time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on
Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
On 5/09/2023 12:43 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/4/23 3:20 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 2:56:14 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:Well, it's like "inclusiveness" and "diversity", isn't it? Can't
On 4/09/2023 2:08 pm, Court_1 wrote:"Variety." Gotta love that euphemism for vile specimens of humanity,
I was actually watching this match. When you watch Ostapenko playOstapenko has lost a bit of weight recently and is more of a threat.
this way, you wonder how she hasn't won multiple slams.
Bye bye, Swiatek! You have the charisma of a log. What a sore
loser she is. That handshake after the match! 😂
Yes, the Coco mania is off the charts. She seems to be improving
with Brad Gilbert on her team though.
Not sure how anyone can not like watching her play - we need
variety in
this game and she's awesome : )
like most of your heroes.
really take a full swing at either without befouling one's self. I
suspect "variety" in this context is a Lite version.
Variety in this context is at the macro level not player level, ie
variety of player styles on tour. That's a good thing as you don't
want to see clones playing each other, gets boring.
On 9/5/23 4:41 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will beI like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into
Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into
high gear now.
she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's >>> 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >>> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on
Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some mistake for ego/pretentiousness etcIn your opinion, in what way(s), if any, does her basic game strategy
differ from Sabelenka's. They seem the same.
Now, mechanical execution is different, and mobility, but when they step
out on court their idea is to overpower every opponent from the baseline.
On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:42:09 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:handle the limelight well. I admire someone like that for trying their best to live a public life as the price for exhibiting their talent.
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so >>>> unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >>>> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
Seems obvious she's just shy and awkward. I can see why some tennis fans wouldn't embrace her, but don't get why they would hate her for that. An extrovert who is great at something often takes to >fame like a fish to water. Introverts may never learn
On 9/5/23 4:41 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will beI like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into
Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into
high gear now.
she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's
4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >>>> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on
Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
In your opinion, in what way(s), if any, does her basic game strategy
differ from Sabelenka's. They seem the same.
Now, mechanical execution is different, and mobility, but when they step
out on court their idea is to overpower every opponent from the baseline.
On 5/09/2023 11:25 pm, Gracchus wrote:learn handle the limelight well. I admire someone like that for trying their best to live a public life as the price for exhibiting their talent.
On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:42:09 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's >>>> 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >>>> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
Seems obvious she's just shy and awkward. I can see why some tennis fans wouldn't embrace her, but don't get why they would hate her for that. An extrovert who is great at something often takes to >fame like a fish to water. Introverts may never
Graf was shy and introverted too, but Iga doesn't come across like Graf.
Iga seems to be trying to be funny/interesting/profound etc which puts
some people off as fake/trying too hard. Graf had no interest in the
show bizz side of tennis and that came across as more genuine.
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:56:21 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:learn handle the limelight well. I admire someone like that for trying their best to live a public life as the price for exhibiting their talent.
On 5/09/2023 11:25 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:42:09 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:Seems obvious she's just shy and awkward. I can see why some tennis fans wouldn't embrace her, but don't get why they would hate her for that. An extrovert who is great at something often takes to >fame like a fish to water. Introverts may never
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on Sunday. >>>> lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will be thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick into high gear now.I like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because she's so >>>>>> unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's >>>>>> 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for Jelena 1st >>>>>> time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
help.Graf was shy and introverted too, but Iga doesn't come across like Graf.Yes, that is a very good observation. Iga may have people around her pushing her to be a "voice" weighing in on different issues and taking the lead. It doesn't feel natural, plus sometimes she has little idea what she's talking about, which doesn't
Iga seems to be trying to be funny/interesting/profound etc which puts
some people off as fake/trying too hard. Graf had no interest in the
show bizz side of tennis and that came across as more genuine.
On 6/09/2023 12:25 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/5/23 4:41 AM, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will beI like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into
Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick
into high gear now.
she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's >>>>> 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for
Jelena 1st
time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on
Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
In your opinion, in what way(s), if any, does her basic game strategy
differ from Sabelenka's. They seem the same.
Now, mechanical execution is different, and mobility, but when they
step out on court their idea is to overpower every opponent from the
baseline.
Sabalenka is prepared to rally and come to net, will wait a fewSometimes.
strokes for the right ball to go in.
Jelena just wants to hit a winner 1st chance she gets. It's pretty
smart on her part as she knows she can't win just grinding from the baseline. If she played conventionally 'smart' tennis she'd never win
a slam and struggle to break top 100. Good for her. The game is
richer having her in it and playing this way.
On 5/09/2023 11:25 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:42:09 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 5/09/2023 7:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 5:53:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
On 4/09/2023 1:53 pm, Gracchus wrote:
With the added indignity of a third set bagel. Court 1 will beI like Ostapenko and Iga, but was pulling for Ostapenko because
thrilled and maybe Whisper too. Iga unfortunate to run into
Ostapenko when she's zoning. The media's Coco-mania will kick
into high gear now.
she's so
unique, what a character and player! She deserves cult status. That's >>>>> 4-0 h2h : )
My wife dislikes both, but hates Iga more so was pulling for
Jelena 1st
time ever - lol fun times at my house this morning : )
I'll take Ostapenko over Swiatek any day of the week and twice on
Sunday.
lol just like my wife. Iga is just shy and awkward imo, which some
mistake for ego/pretentiousness etc
Seems obvious she's just shy and awkward. I can see why some tennis
fans wouldn't embrace her, but don't get why they would hate her for
that. An extrovert who is great at something often takes to >fame
like a fish to water. Introverts may never learn handle the limelight
well. I admire someone like that for trying their best to live a
public life as the price for exhibiting their talent.
Graf was shy and introverted too, but Iga doesn't come across like
Graf. Â Iga seems to be trying to be funny/interesting/profound etc
which puts some people off as fake/trying too hard. Graf had no
interest in the show bizz side of tennis and that came across as more genuine.
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