• What just happened to Berrettini?

    From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 20:15:20 2023
    Hello!

    What happened to Berrettini against Rinderknech?

    I tried to watch the match, but all I saw was
    Berrettini walking out of the court with one
    shoe missing. He had retired.

    Did he twist his ankle or what?

    br,
    KK

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Thu Aug 31 13:46:25 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:15:23 PM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    What happened to Berrettini against Rinderknech?

    I tried to watch the match, but all I saw was
    Berrettini walking out of the court with one
    shoe missing. He had retired.

    Did he twist his ankle or what?

    br,
    KK

    Ajla put a hex on him.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Thu Aug 31 13:48:40 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:31 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:15:23 PM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Hello!

    What happened to Berrettini against Rinderknech?

    I tried to watch the match, but all I saw was
    Berrettini walking out of the court with one
    shoe missing. He had retired.

    Did he twist his ankle or what?

    br,
    KK
    Ajla put a hex on him.

    They've both had horrible results since their breakup.

    Who really cares about Berrettini though? He has a lot of weaknesses that Djokovic can feast on. I've seen enough of their matches. We need players who can beat Djokovic.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to olympia0000@yahoo.com on Fri Sep 1 06:44:45 2023
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Who really cares about Berrettini though?

    I care. That's why I asked. Here's the answer:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/matteo-berrettini-us-open-tennis-30836704

    "Former Wimbledon finalist Matteo Berrettini
    is out of the US Open after retiring with a
    painful-looking injury during his second-
    round match against Arthur Rinderknech."

    "Berrettini, 26, was writhing in agony on Court
    5 after sustaining an ankle injury. The Italian
    was already a set and a break down (4-6, 3-5)
    when play was ruled a walkover."

    br,
    KK

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 19:29:23 2023
    On 1/09/2023 6:48 am, Court_1 wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:46:31 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 1:15:23 PM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >>> Hello!

    What happened to Berrettini against Rinderknech?

    I tried to watch the match, but all I saw was
    Berrettini walking out of the court with one
    shoe missing. He had retired.

    Did he twist his ankle or what?

    br,
    KK
    Ajla put a hex on him.

    They've both had horrible results since their breakup.



    Kyrgios went out with Alja too so must be some kind of jinx - he's
    achieved the calendar slam of pull outs this year.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 02:46:44 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:44:48 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 wrote:
    Who really cares about Berrettini though?
    I care. That's why I asked. Here's the answer:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/matteo-berrettini-us-open-tennis-30836704

    "Former Wimbledon finalist Matteo Berrettini
    is out of the US Open after retiring with a
    painful-looking injury during his second-
    round match against Arthur Rinderknech."

    "Berrettini, 26, was writhing in agony on Court
    5 after sustaining an ankle injury. The Italian
    was already a set and a break down (4-6, 3-5)
    when play was ruled a walkover."

    br,
    KK

    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time and time again? He doesn't even make it interesting. At least with Alcaraz, we have somebody who
    challenges Djokovic!

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to olympia0000@yahoo.com on Fri Sep 1 10:33:16 2023
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?

    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!

    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 09:22:22 2023
    On 9/1/23 3:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK

    To me, Berrettini is one dimensional: serve and FH power. You can credit
    him with surprising mobility *for a man his size*, but relative to other
    top players he lacks mobility.

    In a way he's a lot like Phillipousis.

    He seems like a cheerful enough guy, however, FWIW.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 1 16:33:48 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/1/23 3:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK

    To me, Berrettini is one dimensional: serve and FH power. You can credit
    him with surprising mobility *for a man his size*, but relative to other
    top players he lacks mobility.

    In a way he's a lot like Phillipousis.

    He seems like a cheerful enough guy, however, FWIW.

    You are probably right. However, I neved made any
    claims about Berrettini's abilities.

    Hell, I even watch ATP Challenger Tour matches. ATP
    broadcasts all matches live for free.

    br,
    KK

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 09:40:07 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/1/23 3:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK

    To me, Berrettini is one dimensional: serve and FH power. You can credit him with surprising mobility *for a man his size*, but relative to other top players he lacks mobility.

    In a way he's a lot like Phillipousis.

    He seems like a cheerful enough guy, however, FWIW.
    You are probably right. However, I neved made any
    claims about Berrettini's abilities.

    Hell, I even watch ATP Challenger Tour matches. ATP
    broadcasts all matches live for free.

    br,
    KK

    Plenty of free time? Retired?
    Get out of the house

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 09:55:36 2023
    On 9/1/23 9:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/1/23 3:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK
    To me, Berrettini is one dimensional: serve and FH power. You can credit
    him with surprising mobility *for a man his size*, but relative to other
    top players he lacks mobility.

    In a way he's a lot like Phillipousis.

    He seems like a cheerful enough guy, however, FWIW.
    You are probably right. However, I neved made any
    claims about Berrettini's abilities.
    OK.

    Hell, I even watch ATP Challenger Tour matches. ATP
    broadcasts all matches live for free.

    br,
    KK


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sat Sep 2 03:12:58 2023
    On 2/09/2023 2:22 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/1/23 3:33 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw.  The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.

    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    br,
    KK

    To me, Berrettini is one dimensional: serve and FH power. You can credit
    him with surprising mobility *for a man his size*, but relative to other
    top players he lacks mobility.

    In a way he's a lot like Phillipousis.

    He seems like a cheerful enough guy, however, FWIW.



    Yeah good call, he's very similar to Flip. Both guys are too heavy and
    thus injury prone to be really elite level champs.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Fri Sep 1 17:48:28 2023
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:
    Plenty of free time? Retired?

    I am currently studying even though I am old.

    You sometimes see very good battles on the Challenger
    Tour. And I have witnessed mamy players who made it
    to the main tour, the latest one maybe was Tomas
    Martin Etcheverry.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Sep 1 17:52:53 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    Yeah good call, he's very similar to Flip. Both guys are too heavy and
    thus injury prone to be really elite level champs.

    Yes, but Berrettini is no loser either. He made it to the
    Top 10. He reached #6 in the age where Djokovic and Nadal
    were still active. That is a great achievement considering
    how weak his backhand is.

    For the most part, Berrettini seems to use slice BH. His
    topspin BH has gotten better, but is not good by any means.

    He also made it to the Wimbledon final. If I remember
    right, he won the first set against Djoker, but was
    then beaten pretty comfortably by the GOAT.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 10:55:00 2023
    On 9/1/23 10:48 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> wrote:
    Plenty of free time? Retired?
    I am currently studying even though I am old.

    You sometimes see very good battles on the Challenger
    Tour. And I have witnessed mamy players who made it
    to the main tour, the latest one maybe was Tomas
    Martin Etcheverry.

    br,
    KK

    If I may ask: what are you studying, kk?

    Sometimes I think of doing that, just for something useful to do.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 11:08:42 2023
    On 9/1/23 10:52 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    Yeah good call, he's very similar to Flip. Both guys are too heavy and
    thus injury prone to be really elite level champs.
    Yes, but Berrettini is no loser either. He made it to the
    Top 10. He reached #6 in the age where Djokovic and Nadal
    were still active. That is a great achievement considering
    how weak his backhand is.

    Yes. Agreed.

    But he looks in decline to me, at this stage.


    For the most part, Berrettini seems to use slice BH. His
    topspin BH has gotten better, but is not good by any means.
    His BH is not an offensive weapon under any circumstance. It is usually
    a place-holder--stay at neutral court position.

    He also made it to the Wimbledon final. If I remember
    right, he won the first set against Djoker, but was
    then beaten pretty comfortably by the GOAT.

    br,
    KK


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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Sep 1 18:55:13 2023
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    If I may ask: what are you studying, kk?

    Let's say that I did some serious IT work
    for two decades and grew tired of it. Now it is
    time for me to do something else.

    Sometimes I think of doing that, just for
    something useful to do.

    Studying need not be formal. You do not have to
    enter a school in order to study. You can study
    online if you find good, reliable sources.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 12:37:08 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:55:16 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

    If I may ask: what are you studying, kk?

    Let's say that I did some serious IT work
    for two decades and grew tired of it. Now it is
    time for me to do something else.

    Sometimes I think of doing that, just for
    something useful to do.

    Studying need not be formal. You do not have to
    enter a school in order to study. You can study
    online if you find good, reliable sources.

    br,
    KK

    And how about international espionage? Have you ever done any of that on the side? If so, it is safe to reveal it here. We know how to keep a secret.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Fri Sep 1 12:53:28 2023
    On 9/1/23 12:37 PM, Gracchus wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:55:16 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
    If I may ask: what are you studying, kk?
    Let's say that I did some serious IT work
    for two decades and grew tired of it. Now it is
    time for me to do something else.
    Sometimes I think of doing that, just for
    something useful to do.
    Studying need not be formal. You do not have to
    enter a school in order to study. You can study
    online if you find good, reliable sources.

    br,
    KK
    And how about international espionage? Have you ever done any of that on the side? If so, it is safe to reveal it here. We know how to keep a secret.

    :^D

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 16:05:47 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 6:33:19 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.
    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    I'm not a Djokovic fan. I was a Federer fan(although I'm not a deluded fan) but yes, I only like to watch the greatest players and match-ups that challenge the greatest players. I don't like to watch one-sided pastings.

    Give me Djokovic-Alcaraz these days. Is there a better match-up currently?

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Sat Sep 2 08:50:42 2023
    Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> wrote:
    And how about international espionage? Have you
    ever done any of that on the side? If so, it
    is safe to reveal it here. We know how to
    keep a secret.

    You have watched too many James Bond movies, bro.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 20:17:35 2023
    On 2/09/2023 9:05 am, Court_1 wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 6:33:19 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Court_1 wrote:
    Ok, suit yourself. I truly couldn't care less about
    Berrettini. What's the point of watching a player
    with so many weaknesses be crushed by Djokovic time
    and time again?
    You see, Berrettini plays against many different
    opponents. It all depends on the tournament's
    draw. The last time he played against Rinderknecht,
    not Djokovic.
    He doesn't even make it interesting. At least
    with Alcaraz, we have somebody who challenges
    Djokovic!
    Okay, I get it. You obviously only like to watch the
    matches involving Djokovic. I like to watch other
    players, too.

    I'm not a Djokovic fan. I was a Federer fan(although I'm not a deluded fan) but yes, I only like to watch the greatest players and match-ups that challenge the greatest players. I don't like to watch >one-sided pastings.


    They can be good if it's 2 great players playing great but 1 guy is
    sublime and on fire;

    1984 Wimbledon McEnroe d Connors 61 61 62

    2008 FO Nadal d Federer 61 63 60

    2019 AO Djokovic d Nadal 63 62 62






    Give me Djokovic-Alcaraz these days. Is there a better match-up currently?


    So far it's one of the best match-ups of all time.

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sat Sep 2 06:01:11 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:50:45 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> wrote:

    And how about international espionage? Have you
    ever done any of that on the side? If so, it
    is safe to reveal it here. We know how to
    keep a secret.

    You have watched too many James Bond movies, bro.

    Only the Connery ones. :) I just figured with all your caginess, it might be a side line.

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