• How many bounces? (Query)

    From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 11:05:44 2023
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my service
    motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my posture, I give
    it another bounce, but never more than that.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Yama on Thu Aug 31 02:36:23 2023
    On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 09:05:51 UTC+1, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my posture, I give
    it another bounce, but never more than that.

    two or three times only! any more and kind of find it distracting from what serving. That's why reckon when folks like Shapo do all his weird ball through the legs + loads of bounces prob doesn't help him at all, Kyrgios has got it right.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Yama on Thu Aug 31 13:47:56 2023
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve?

    Zero. I am too overweight to play tennis anymore.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Thu Aug 31 08:00:18 2023
    On 8/31/23 2:36 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 09:05:51 UTC+1, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my service
    motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my posture, I give
    it another bounce, but never more than that.
    two or three times only! any more and kind of find it distracting from what serving. That's why reckon when folks like Shapo do all his weird ball through the legs + loads of bounces prob doesn't help him at all, Kyrgios has got it right.

    I agree. Just go up, get your feet right, and pull the trigger.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Thu Aug 31 08:02:49 2023
    On 8/31/23 6:47 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve?
    Zero. I am too overweight to play tennis anymore.

    br,
    KK

    Hah!

    I should have owned up to the same right away!

    Man, when I stopped at age 54-ish I gained maybe 30 lbs in 6 months.
    Real grim.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Sep 1 08:54:33 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    Play doubles with a 20 something partner and say
    'yours!' a lot.

    It is not just that I have too much weight. My forehand
    grip was way too extreme and put heavy strain on my
    wrist. I never had any problems with my elbow, but
    the wrist got so wasted during my high school days
    that I could not write using a pencil.

    As a hobbyist, I was better than most, but I just
    cannot play any longer. When I was young, I was very
    competitive and wanted to practice as hard as I could
    to ensure success on court. Those days are gone.

    Nowadays I do not care about winning or losing, so
    playing tennis seems pointless. I know I could do
    it just for health reasons, but to me it is all
    about winning. If you no longer care about what
    will happen on a tennis court, you are done.

    My "sports" is just taking long walks. I have
    run 3250 meters in a Cooper's Test where you
    run for 12 minutes as fast as you can, but
    my weight now being something like 105kg, it is
    too risky to run at all. I am a couch potato.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Fri Sep 1 09:09:54 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
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    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:
    I am a couch potato.br,KK

    Meanwhile

    https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh


    Now we know why are you so jealous.

    Jealous? Of what? I am not jealous at all, I
    am very happy with my life.

    Do you seriously share some idiot videos of
    Putler? You fucking bastard!!!

    br,
    KK

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 11:10:39 2023
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:> [-- text/plain, encoding 7bit, charset: UTF-8, 20 lines --]> > kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:>> I am a couch potato.br,KK> > Meanwhile> > https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=
    BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh> > > Now we know why are you so jealous.Jealous? Of what? I am not jealous at all, Iam very happy with my life.Do you seriously share some idiot videos of Putler? You fucking bastard!!!br,KK



    Eat shit.



    https://youtu.be/6uw_czggrtk?si=4vWpeWrE3V7oNbFx






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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 18:34:52 2023
    On 31/08/2023 11:47 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve?

    Zero. I am too overweight to play tennis anymore.

    br,
    KK


    Play doubles with a 20 something partner and say 'yours!' a lot.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 10:57:55 2023
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:
    I am a couch potato.br,KK



    Meanwhile


    https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh



    Now we know why are you so jealous.
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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Fri Sep 1 09:16:56 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
    Eat shit.

    That's what I do every time I read your fucking
    moronic posts! How can anyone be so fucking
    stupid? You are a fucking Putler's troll!

    Why don't you move to fucking Putlerlandia since
    you love Putler so much? I am sure Putler will
    happily welcome you. Putler loves to rule idiots
    like you.

    Back in the USSR, the communist leaders called
    the common people "useful idiots". It is exactly
    the same in Putlerlandia in 2023.

    So you fucking moron, sell your house if you
    have one. Then fucking *MOVE* to Putlerlandia.
    They love useful idiots there!!!

    FUCK YOU, SIR!

    br,
    KK

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 12:28:02 2023
    On 1.9.2023 11.57, *skriptis wrote:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:
    I am a couch potato.br,KK



    Meanwhile


    https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh



    Now we know why are you so jealous.

    Putin chooses his practice partners carefully. Nobody is allowed to be
    more than 2cm taller than he is. That would put the max height at around
    160.

    Lolski parushki.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Fri Sep 1 11:32:22 2023
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
    On 1.9.2023 11.57, *skriptis wrote:> kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:>> I am a couch potato.br,KK> > > > Meanwhile> > > https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh> > > > Now we know why are you so jealous.Putin chooses his
    practice partners carefully. Nobody is allowed to be more than 2cm taller than he is. That would put the max height at around 160.Lolski parushki.--


    And?

    If he's so powerful that he's able to rig practice sessions, then it will obviously impress the people.






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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Fri Sep 1 09:35:12 2023
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
    And?

    Holy fucking shit, why don't you just admit that
    you are a repressed gay man? You are clearly in
    love with Putler.

    So fucking move to Putlerlandia and you will meet
    the man of your dreams there! Hahahaa!

    br,
    KK

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 13:51:45 2023
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 1.9.2023 klo 12.16:
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
    Eat shit.

    That's what I do every time I read your fucking
    moronic posts! How can anyone be so fucking
    stupid? You are a fucking Putler's troll!

    Why don't you move to fucking Putlerlandia since
    you love Putler so much? I am sure Putler will
    happily welcome you. Putler loves to rule idiots
    like you.

    Back in the USSR, the communist leaders called
    the common people "useful idiots". It is exactly
    the same in Putlerlandia in 2023.

    So you fucking moron, sell your house if you
    have one. Then fucking *MOVE* to Putlerlandia.
    They love useful idiots there!!!

    FUCK YOU, SIR!

    br,
    KK

    Tell him Ceske.

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 04:26:52 2023
    On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 10:28:06 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 1.9.2023 11.57, *skriptis wrote:
    kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:
    I am a couch potato.br,KK



    Meanwhile


    https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh



    Now we know why are you so jealous.
    Putin chooses his practice partners carefully. Nobody is allowed to be
    more than 2cm taller than he is. That would put the max height at around 160.

    Lolski parushki.

    would Putin be able to beat up Joe Biden though?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Fri Sep 1 04:23:17 2023
    On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 10:09:57 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    *skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:
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    kal...@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:
    I am a couch potato.br,KK

    Meanwhile

    https://youtu.be/TKHK2Noqb_8?si=BqA3RqOABdgTDhNh


    Now we know why are you so jealous.
    Jealous? Of what? I am not jealous at all, I
    am very happy with my life.

    Do you seriously share some idiot videos of
    Putler? You fucking bastard!!!

    it quite obvious you dream of being built like and as trim as Putin, but you love Krispy Kreme doughnuts too much and then you blame Putin for that too!

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 05:32:29 2023
    I dribble the ball with my racket, but I do not bounce it.

    .mikko

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Fri Sep 1 12:29:06 2023
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> wrote:
    it quite obvious you dream of being built like
    and as trim as Putin,

    Hahahahaha! Thanks for the big laughs, sir. Your
    gay spirited fantasies about Putler are highly
    amusing.

    Let me assure you: Normal straight men never
    dream about Putler's trim body, sir! Hahahahaa!

    Jesus, fuck, after all those years of hard
    tennis and boxing practice, I can still smack
    fucking *HUGE* punches. We are talking about
    deadly hits here.

    If I were to get in a boxing ring with Putler, I
    could kill that bastard with a powerful
    left-right-left combination. Even my right
    hook alone would end Putler's life in a second!

    HAHHAHAHHAHHAA! :-)))

    but you love Krispy Kreme doughnuts too much
    and then you blame Putin for that too!

    I don't eat those, sir.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri Sep 1 08:47:53 2023
    On 9/1/23 1:34 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 31/08/2023 11:47 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve?

    Zero. I am too overweight to play tennis anymore.

    br,
    KK


    Play doubles with a 20 something partner and say 'yours!' a lot.

    It's funny how when you transition from almost exclusively singles to
    doubles, you are not in the habit of saying "yours", ever.

    You have to get it into your psyche that you need to intelligently split
    up court coverage.

    --
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    that barks at you."

    --Sawfish

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Fri Sep 1 08:50:11 2023
    On 9/1/23 5:32 AM, MBDunc wrote:
    I dribble the ball with my racket, but I do not bounce it.

    .mikko

    Yes, same here.

    Just a couple of times.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Yama on Fri Sep 1 10:53:15 2023
    On 9/1/23 10:45 AM, Yama wrote:
    Amazing, any topic can truly turn toxic almost immediately =D

    Well, it's one way I can tell for sure I'm in RST.

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  • From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 1 20:45:08 2023
    Amazing, any topic can truly turn toxic almost immediately =D

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to Yama on Fri Sep 1 12:17:27 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-7, Yama wrote:
    Amazing, any topic can truly turn toxic almost immediately =D

    True, but you ain't seen nothin' yet :-

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to bmoore on Fri Sep 1 12:24:53 2023
    On 9/1/23 12:17 PM, bmoore wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-7, Yama wrote:
    Amazing, any topic can truly turn toxic almost immediately =D
    True, but you ain't seen nothin' yet :-

    :^)

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  • From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 00:43:30 2023
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 1.9.2023 klo 14:23:
    it quite obvious you dream of being built like and as trim as Putin, but you love Krispy Kreme doughnuts too much and then you blame Putin for that too!

    American style doughnuts are not very popular in Finland. Here we eat
    plain or sugared doughnuts, which are relatively low-calorie compared to Berliner, or American ones:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Polskie_p%C4%85czki.jpg/320px-Polskie_p%C4%85czki.jpg

    Any way, Putin is hardly trim nowadays.

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  • From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 00:25:44 2023
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 1.9.2023 klo 11:54:
    My "sports" is just taking long walks. I have
    run 3250 meters in a Cooper's Test where you
    run for 12 minutes as fast as you can, but
    my weight now being something like 105kg, it is
    too risky to run at all. I am a couch potato.

    105kg is really not too much for tennis (for Coopers test, it maybe is). Though, if you insist on playing at some level and no longer can, then I
    can see why you wouldn't have motivation.

    I have gained like 10kg over last five years, but I don't see myself too
    fat for tennis. I'm probably worse player than I was 5 years ago, but I
    was never very good to begin with, so I don't mind.

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  • From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 2 00:46:04 2023
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 1.9.2023 klo 12:28:
    Putin chooses his practice partners carefully. Nobody is allowed to be
    more than 2cm taller than he is. That would put the max height at around
    160.

    Lolski parushki.

    I don't think Putin ever claimed to be some Judo GOAT, he's just someone
    who probably was quite good at his youth, but has not trained
    intensively for 25 or so years.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Yama on Sat Sep 2 19:56:36 2023
    On 2/09/2023 7:25 am, Yama wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 1.9.2023 klo 11:54:
    My "sports" is just taking long walks. I have
    run 3250 meters in a Cooper's Test where you
    run for 12 minutes as fast as you can, but
    my weight now being something like 105kg, it is
    too risky to run at all. I am a couch potato.

    105kg is really not too much for tennis (for Coopers test, it maybe is). Though, if you insist on playing at some level and no longer can, then I
    can see why you wouldn't have motivation.

    I have gained like 10kg over last five years, but I don't see myself too
    fat for tennis. I'm probably worse player than I was 5 years ago, but I
    was never very good to begin with, so I don't mind.



    Yes, you can weigh a lot and be very fit/healthy especially if you have
    a lot of muscle.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Yama on Sat Sep 2 11:00:58 2023
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    105kg is really not too much for tennis (for Coopers test, it maybe is). Though, if you insist on playing at some level and no longer can, then I
    can see why you wouldn't have motivation.

    When I was young, I was pretty good but by no means
    a great player. I practiced way too much and ignored the
    need for rest, because I was stupid and had no good
    coaching.

    Yes, it is true that I could never reach even that level
    anymore. I used to be super fit, but now it is fucking useless
    when you cannot move well at all. And as I said, I am not
    competitive anymore.

    I am sometimes asked to participate in board games, but
    I will not do it simply because I don't care whether I
    win or lose... It is totally pointless to play if your
    attitude is like that.

    I have gained like 10kg over last five years, but I don't
    see myself too fat for tennis. I'm probably worse player
    than I was 5 years ago, but I was never very good to
    begin with, so I don't mind.

    Fine. Have fun.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Sat Sep 2 08:04:07 2023
    On 9/2/23 4:00 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Yama <yama212NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    105kg is really not too much for tennis (for Coopers test, it maybe is).
    Though, if you insist on playing at some level and no longer can, then I
    can see why you wouldn't have motivation.
    When I was young, I was pretty good but by no means
    a great player. I practiced way too much and ignored the
    need for rest, because I was stupid and had no good
    coaching.

    Yes, it is true that I could never reach even that level
    anymore. I used to be super fit, but now it is fucking useless
    when you cannot move well at all. And as I said, I am not
    competitive anymore.

    I am sometimes asked to participate in board games, but
    I will not do it simply because I don't care whether I
    win or lose... It is totally pointless to play if your
    attitude is like that.
    To be fair, chinese checkers is pretty demanding...

    I have gained like 10kg over last five years, but I don't
    see myself too fat for tennis. I'm probably worse player
    than I was 5 years ago, but I was never very good to
    begin with, so I don't mind.
    Fine. Have fun.

    br,
    KK


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  • From Yama@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 03:00:11 2023
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 2.9.2023 klo 14:00:
    Fine. Have fun.

    I will. That's why I play in the first place.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Yama on Mon Sep 4 12:11:43 2023
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my posture, I give
    it another bounce, but never more than that.

    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time to
    remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my serve.
    Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is 'right' then I
    may go back and do another bounce and then again lean back to serve.
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    Scall5

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 10:29:22 2023
    On 9/4/23 10:11 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my
    service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my
    posture, I give it another bounce, but never more than that.

    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time to
    remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my
    serve. Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is
    'right' then I may go back and do another bounce and then again lean
    back to serve.

    Here's a really odd habit that was a part of my service set-up.

    I *never* looked at where the receiver was, where they stood, etc.once I stepped up to the baseline. Since I never varied my side-to-side
    placement on the baseline more than about 2 feet, it did not matter to
    my ultimate selection. I just decided where I was going to go with the
    ball by the time I started the set-up.

    No reason; superstition more than anything.

    Hard to explain.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Sep 4 14:06:12 2023
    On 9/4/2023 12:29 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:11 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic, or
    just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my
    service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my
    posture, I give it another bounce, but never more than that.

    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time to
    remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my
    serve. Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is
    'right' then I may go back and do another bounce and then again lean
    back to serve.

    Here's a really odd habit that was a part of my service set-up.

    I *never* looked at where the receiver was, where they stood, etc.once I stepped up to the baseline. Since I never varied my side-to-side
    placement on the baseline more than about 2 feet, it did not matter to
    my ultimate selection. I just decided where I was going to go with the
    ball by the time I started the set-up.

    No reason; superstition more than anything.

    Hard to explain.

    I have played against other players who would do that. It was like they
    were saying to themself, "what my opponent is doing will have no effect
    on my serve".

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    Scall5

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 12:20:59 2023
    On 9/4/23 12:06 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/4/2023 12:29 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:11 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic,
    or just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my
    service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my
    posture, I give it another bounce, but never more than that.

    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time
    to remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my
    serve. Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is
    'right' then I may go back and do another bounce and then again lean
    back to serve.

    Here's a really odd habit that was a part of my service set-up.

    I *never* looked at where the receiver was, where they stood,
    etc.once I stepped up to the baseline. Since I never varied my
    side-to-side placement on the baseline more than about 2 feet, it did
    not matter to my ultimate selection. I just decided where I was going
    to go with the ball by the time I started the set-up.

    No reason; superstition more than anything.

    Hard to explain.

    I have played against other players who would do that. It was like
    they were saying to themself, "what my opponent is doing will have no
    effect on my serve".

    YES!

    That's *exactly* it! If I hit it well, it won't matter, they won't get
    it back into play.

    I was saying it to myself, to pump up confidence.

    It's a sort of positive self-hypnosis, like when I used to tell myself
    that I *liked* work. I knew I needed to do it to have a chance at my
    personal goals, and to make it easier to stay the course, I simply told
    myself that I enjoyed it simply as an exercise in will power.

    --
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    "To the average American or Englishman the very name of anarchy causes a shudder, because it invariably conjures up a picture of a land terrorized by low-browed assassins with matted beards, carrying bombs in one hand and mugs of beer in the other. But
    as a matter of fact, there is no reason whatever to believe that, if all laws were abolished tomorrow, such swine would survive the day."

    --H. L. Mencken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Yama on Tue Sep 5 07:26:25 2023
    On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 18:45:15 UTC+1, Yama wrote:
    Amazing, any topic can truly turn toxic almost immediately =D

    oh no don't tell us you've turned into a snowflake!

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Tue Sep 5 07:48:19 2023
    On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 12:01:00 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Yama <yama21...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    105kg is really not too much for tennis (for Coopers test, it maybe is). Though, if you insist on playing at some level and no longer can, then I can see why you wouldn't have motivation.
    When I was young, I was pretty good but by no means
    a great player. I practiced way too much and ignored the
    need for rest, because I was stupid and had no good
    coaching.

    Yes, it is true that I could never reach even that level
    anymore. I used to be super fit, but now it is fucking useless
    when you cannot move well at all. And as I said, I am not
    competitive anymore.

    I am sometimes asked to participate in board games, but
    I will not do it simply because I don't care whether I
    win or lose... It is totally pointless to play if your
    attitude is like that.
    I have gained like 10kg over last five years, but I don't
    see myself too fat for tennis. I'm probably worse player
    than I was 5 years ago, but I was never very good to
    begin with, so I don't mind.
    Fine. Have fun.

    Whisper is right, look at this guy that read about years ago, you have no excuse, get training Kalevi!

    https://www.itv.com/news/2014-07-28/steve-way-from-16-stone-smoker-to-commonwealth-marathon-runner

    Steve Way, who went from 16 and a half stone smoker to marathon runner, told ITV News competing at the Commonwealth Games was "quite a surreal" experience.

    Way was 33 years old when he decided it was time to change his diet of beer, junk food and cigarettes for something more healthy.

    He said, "It was just that point where you think, 'If I don't do something now then I might go down a route that I can't get back from.'

    "It was, 'Let's lose some weight, let's find something to do while not smoking', and running was the answer for me."

    Seven years later he finished the Commonwealth Games men's marathon as the fastest Englishman in the race.

    "At the start of the marathon I was actually leading in the Commonwealth Games marathon, which did put a smile on my face," he said beaming.

    He crossed the finishing line at Glasgow Green in a time of 2hrs 15mins 16secs.

    "Just get out there," Way said when asked what he would say to people who want to follow in his footsteps.

    "There might be a Commonwealth athlete hidden just beneath that couch potato suit so, you won't know until you give it a try, so keep on running."

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Tue Sep 5 07:49:03 2023
    On Monday, 4 September 2023 at 20:21:02 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 12:06 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/4/2023 12:29 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:11 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic,
    or just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my
    service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my
    posture, I give it another bounce, but never more than that.

    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time
    to remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my
    serve. Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is
    'right' then I may go back and do another bounce and then again lean
    back to serve.

    Here's a really odd habit that was a part of my service set-up.

    I *never* looked at where the receiver was, where they stood,
    etc.once I stepped up to the baseline. Since I never varied my
    side-to-side placement on the baseline more than about 2 feet, it did
    not matter to my ultimate selection. I just decided where I was going
    to go with the ball by the time I started the set-up.

    No reason; superstition more than anything.

    Hard to explain.

    I have played against other players who would do that. It was like
    they were saying to themself, "what my opponent is doing will have no effect on my serve".

    YES!

    That's *exactly* it! If I hit it well, it won't matter, they won't get
    it back into play.

    I was saying it to myself, to pump up confidence.

    It's a sort of positive self-hypnosis, like when I used to tell myself
    that I *liked* work. I knew I needed to do it to have a chance at my
    personal goals, and to make it easier to stay the course, I simply told myself that I enjoyed it simply as an exercise in will power.

    don't you miss out on some cheap/easy points? sometimes the opponent stands far on one side or the other and it easy to hit an ace or unreturnable past them then.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Sep 5 08:00:32 2023
    On 9/5/23 7:49 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 4 September 2023 at 20:21:02 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 12:06 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 9/4/2023 12:29 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 9/4/23 10:11 AM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/31/2023 3:05 AM, Yama wrote:
    How many times you bounce the ball before your serve? Are you 'no
    bouncer' like Thomas Enqvist, or dozens of bounces a'la Djokovic,
    or just a few like most players?

    For me, it's always 1 bounce. No more, no less. Sometimes, if my
    service motion is somehow interrupted or I have to readjust my
    posture, I give it another bounce, but never more than that.
    I never really counted but I would say about 3-4. Just enough time
    to remind myself to focus totally on the toss at the beginning of my >>>>> serve. Then I lean back to serve. If I don't feel my position is
    'right' then I may go back and do another bounce and then again lean >>>>> back to serve.
    Here's a really odd habit that was a part of my service set-up.

    I *never* looked at where the receiver was, where they stood,
    etc.once I stepped up to the baseline. Since I never varied my
    side-to-side placement on the baseline more than about 2 feet, it did
    not matter to my ultimate selection. I just decided where I was going
    to go with the ball by the time I started the set-up.

    No reason; superstition more than anything.

    Hard to explain.
    I have played against other players who would do that. It was like
    they were saying to themself, "what my opponent is doing will have no
    effect on my serve".

    YES!

    That's *exactly* it! If I hit it well, it won't matter, they won't get
    it back into play.

    I was saying it to myself, to pump up confidence.

    It's a sort of positive self-hypnosis, like when I used to tell myself
    that I *liked* work. I knew I needed to do it to have a chance at my
    personal goals, and to make it easier to stay the course, I simply told
    myself that I enjoyed it simply as an exercise in will power.
    don't you miss out on some cheap/easy points? sometimes the opponent stands far on one side or the other and it easy to hit an ace or unreturnable past them then.

    It's possible.

    But at that point I really did feel like if I actually went down the T,
    or into the corner on the AD side, and I had hit a quality 1st serve, it wouldn't matter much. At best I'd get a weak return.

    That was very optimistic at 4.5-5.0 level, but by then the habit was set.

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    "I only trust statistics that I have falsified, myself."

    --Winston Churchill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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