He was an awful man. But that's of course not the point.
He is burning in hell.
He is burning in hell.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:>>> He is burning in hell.> He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there>> https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person like me squirm.https:/
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rO7ahvnOKOknMMVj_>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person like me squirm.https:/
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:>>> He is burning in hell.> He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there>> https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=
I have a real life example...same stuff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1AytQEpwQUo
On 8/27/23 9:58 AM, bmoore wrote:
He was an awful man. But that's of course not the point.
He is burning in hell.Yeah.
...but what if he's *not*?
That's kinda my point about everything, b. People like to say that "race
is a human construct". Well, if it is, seems like justice must be as
well. And it's near congruent with "revenge".
Question for the class: Does a Rottweiler seek justice? Does a highland gorilla?
:^)
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there >>>
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they >> come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person >> like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there >> >>>
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they >> >> come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person >> >> like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
-Luke
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
-LukeIt is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >>>>>> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on thisI don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.
Itho ever walked it."
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the
rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
Which one are you? :-)
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard
rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came andOn Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >>>>>>>> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
An interesting link, thanks.A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common >>>> folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >>>> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
-Luke
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this >>>> earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >>>> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed. >>> I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
Itho ever walked it."
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi.
I would want no part of such a God. Our God created us with free will, but with power comes responsibility.Well, I can see that POV, but so far as I know, we don't get to vote on
our divinity.
...but that's just me.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >> >> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
Which one are you? :-)I think religion is foolish, but realizing its foolishness
does not require much wisdom at all. Even kids can do it.
However, the power of brainwashing (a.k.a. "education") is
huge. If you start the indoctrination with small kids, you
can make the majority of people to believe in practically
anything.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QGm46YbrU
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >> >> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
Which one are you? :-)I think religion is foolish, but realizing its foolishness
does not require much wisdom at all. Even kids can do it.
However, the power of brainwashing (a.k.a. "education") is
huge. If you start the indoctrination with small kids, you
can make the majority of people to believe in practically
anything.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3QGm46YbrU
br,
KK
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
Which one are you? :-)-LukeIt is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >> >> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
Which one are you? :-)I think religion is foolish, but realizing its foolishness
does not require much wisdom at all. Even kids can do it.
However, the power of brainwashing (a.k.a. "education") is
huge. If you start the indoctrination with small kids, you
can make the majority of people to believe in practically
anything.
On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 17:09:00 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >> >> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
so why do you want to impose Marxism on everyone then?Which one are you? :-)-LukeIt is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:10:17 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24
On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 17:09:00 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >> >> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came
Oh, you're back.so why do you want to impose Marxism on everyone then?Which one are you? :-)-LukeIt is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the
rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastardI don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:57:37 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >> >> >> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came
It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common >> folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
-Luke
Who are the people behind the brainwashing? Shouldn't we ignore them?Which one are you? :-)I think religion is foolish, but realizing its foolishness
does not require much wisdom at all. Even kids can do it.
On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came andOn Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >>>>>>>> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
An interesting link, thanks.A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common >>>> folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >>>> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
-Luke
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this >>>> earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >>>> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed. >>> I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
Itho ever walked it."
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi.
I would want no part of such a God. Our God created us with free will, but with power comes responsibility.Well, I can see that POV, but so far as I know, we don't get to vote on
our divinity.
...but that's just me.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > >>>> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>>>> On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7,
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24
On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >>>>>>>> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
Well, I can see that POV, but so far as I know, we don't get to vote onAn interesting link, thanks.A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common >> >>>> folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> >>>> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
-Luke
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on this >> >>>> earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard >> >>>> rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed. >> >>> I don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
Itho ever walked it."
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi.
I would want no part of such a God. Our God created us with free will, but with power comes responsibility.
our divinity.
...but that's just me.
Look at the power that a scumbag like Putin has. Real power comes from within.
if you choose to follow Jesus you do,
That's where "climate change"
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:57:37 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: >> >> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:It is a blast furnace.
On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:Yeah, that's hellish...
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote: >> >> >> >>>Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film, >> >> >> >> Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and
I think religion is foolish, but realizing its foolishnessIt is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the >> >> rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
Which one are you? :-)
does not require much wisdom at all. Even kids can do it.
Who are the people behind the brainwashing?
Shouldn't we ignore them?
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
Well, I can see that POV, but so far as I know, we don't get to vote on >> our divinity.An interesting link, thanks.A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the
rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on thisI don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard
rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
It
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi. >> > ho ever walked it."
I would want no part of such a God. Our God created us with free will, but with power comes responsibility.
...but that's just me.
Look at the power that a scumbag like Putin has. Real power comes from within.The USSR communists wanted to destroy Christianity and replace it
with their own communist religion where the communist leaders play
the role of the gods.
Putler sees religion as useful. The Russian Orthodox Church fully
supports everything that Putler does. The fucking priests praise his
person and deeds.
Putler is very happy as he gets justification for his actions
from the fucking priests. Putler praises the fucking Orthodox Church to return the favour. I am sure that the fucking priests also get money and other goodies, too.
It is a clear example of a symbiotic relationship.
100% agree. But do you know the difference between
real Christianity and the crap that Putin puts out?
The Russian Orthodox Church is a tool of Putin.
No connection with the teachings of Jesus.
It's like when a church official putting on the
crown at a king's coronation.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who merely have a different tale to tell.
KK
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who >> merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to >> bet on, in my opinion.
I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but >>>> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who >>>> merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to >>>> bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, butIt is true. But once you have removed the fucking royal families,
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
you can have a democracy that is *a bit better*. When Finland got
its independence in 1917, some crazy bastards insisted that Finland
should become a kingdom like Sweden, Norway, Denmark and UK.
They even had figured out a suitable candidate for our king, i.e.
some idiot from Germany was supposed to become The King of Finland!
It's been too long since I took any history lessons, so I cannot
remember why this evil plan got overturned. But we did not get
kings, queens, princes and princesses. We now have a political system
that is based on voting. There are no "political positions"
one can inherit by the virtue of belonging to a certain family.
Like elsewhere, most of our politicians are ignorant trash, but
at least we can choose to vote or not. When you have kings and
queens, the ordinary folks have to pay for their arrogant
life styles and finance their disgusting lives. Royal families are
a big disgrace indeed... No wonder wise people in the UK say:
"NOT MY KING!"
br,
KK
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead
and that's it? Why?
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it?
Why?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> writes:
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it?Yes. Why should I think otherwise?
Why?
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life
For me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation
if you have no memory of your past existence?
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but >>>> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >>>> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to >>>> bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
OK.
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as
yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life
Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.
For me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation
if you have no memory of your past existence?
Buddhists take solace in knowing that the self will continue, and will have opportunity for improvement.
On 30/08/2023 10:42 pm, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life
Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.But the result is exactly the same as if you don't come back at all. I
mean if you can't and will never remember a past life, that's the same
as this being your 1st time around.
For me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation >> if you have no memory of your past existence?
Buddhists take solace in knowing that the self will continue, and will have opportunity for improvement.How can you improve if you have no memory of any actions you took in previous lives? Makes no sense. Ok if you have recollection of your
past lives, then you can learn something.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:OK.
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but >>>>>> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >>>>>> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who >>>>>> merely have a different tale to tell.
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to >>>>>> bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity
associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as
yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:39:06 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 30/08/2023 10:42 pm, bmoore wrote:Well, there is innate memory. When you know to get on a bus you don't recall memories, you just do it.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:But the result is exactly the same as if you don't come back at all. I
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>>>
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life >>> Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.
mean if you can't and will never remember a past life, that's the same
as this being your 1st time around.
How can you improve if you have no memory of any actions you took inFor me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation >>>> if you have no memory of your past existence?Buddhists take solace in knowing that the self will continue, and will have opportunity for improvement.
previous lives? Makes no sense. Ok if you have recollection of your
past lives, then you can learn something.
But you're talking to a Christian. I have studied Buddhism, and think its focus on the self is meaningful, but you should maybe talk to a real Buddhist. FWIW though, I don't think reincarnation means a total reboot. What is the self?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:51:33 PM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> writes:You should think whatever you think.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it?Yes. Why should I think otherwise?
Why?
On 8/30/23 5:24 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:You are right: nothing is for sure in any absolute sense.
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:OK.
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets >>>>>>> of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >>>>>> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity
associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as
yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
But the way I see it, I have to navigate thru life making decisions--or
I can simply go with the flow, but that's not possible for me, my type
of personality. These decisions are essentially bets, and I make it a
point to try for the best odds possible that will support my goals--and that's not simply a conversational device: I've had nesting, scoped
goals for at least 40 years, and prior to that, goals that were much
more vague.
I've been goal-oriented my entire life, one way or another.
So, seeing things this way, the bet that there is life after death is a non-betting situation; don't bet on it. What's more, it has not been demonstrated to me that I even *have* to place this bet. So it looks
like a losing bet on a situation on which I needn't make a choice.
So that's how I see it, nor am I saying it's correct. *I* think it is,
and it's why I live as I do, but no guarantees, anywhere. You live as
you think proper, and I respect that.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:10:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 5:24 AM, bmoore wrote:Thank you. I respect your choices as well.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:You are right: nothing is for sure in any absolute sense.
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:OK.
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but >>>>>>>> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >>>>>>>> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets >>>>>>>>> of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people >>>>>>>>> give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be >>>>>>>>> abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... >>>>>>>>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are alsoin a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>>>
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity
associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as >>>> yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
But the way I see it, I have to navigate thru life making decisions--or
I can simply go with the flow, but that's not possible for me, my type
of personality. These decisions are essentially bets, and I make it a
point to try for the best odds possible that will support my goals--and
that's not simply a conversational device: I've had nesting, scoped
goals for at least 40 years, and prior to that, goals that were much
more vague.
I've been goal-oriented my entire life, one way or another.
So, seeing things this way, the bet that there is life after death is a
non-betting situation; don't bet on it. What's more, it has not been
demonstrated to me that I even *have* to place this bet. So it looks
like a losing bet on a situation on which I needn't make a choice.
So that's how I see it, nor am I saying it's correct. *I* think it is,
and it's why I live as I do, but no guarantees, anywhere. You live as
you think proper, and I respect that.
In a way, life after death questions are irrelevant, because what will happen is what will happen (though speculating is interesting to some of us). How to live the life in front of you is bigger.
On 8/30/23 8:25 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:10:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 5:24 AM, bmoore wrote:Thank you. I respect your choices as well.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:You are right: nothing is for sure in any absolute sense.
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:OK.
There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth, >>>>>>>>> they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites. >>>>>>>>>
crown at a king's coronation.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets >>>>>>>>> of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people >>>>>>>>> give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses >>>>>>>>> instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be >>>>>>>>> abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... >>>>>>>>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also >>>>>>>>> in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers. >>>>>>>>>br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity >>>> associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as >>>> yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
But the way I see it, I have to navigate thru life making decisions--or >> I can simply go with the flow, but that's not possible for me, my type
of personality. These decisions are essentially bets, and I make it a
point to try for the best odds possible that will support my goals--and >> that's not simply a conversational device: I've had nesting, scoped
goals for at least 40 years, and prior to that, goals that were much
more vague.
I've been goal-oriented my entire life, one way or another.
So, seeing things this way, the bet that there is life after death is a >> non-betting situation; don't bet on it. What's more, it has not been
demonstrated to me that I even *have* to place this bet. So it looks
like a losing bet on a situation on which I needn't make a choice.
So that's how I see it, nor am I saying it's correct. *I* think it is,
and it's why I live as I do, but no guarantees, anywhere. You live as
you think proper, and I respect that.
In a way, life after death questions are irrelevant, because what will happen is what will happen (though speculating is interesting to some of us). How to live the life in front of you is bigger.I think you're right about that.
I've never actually had any of the curiosity about my individual purpose
in life,
where it all started,where we're going, etc., that I read about
in many people. Life has always seemed to me like I got para-dropped
into the middle of it.
I had the great good fortune of having parents
and relatives who gave me a clue, at least, and I'll run my course as
long as I can, and that's that.
It's much simpler that way, too.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 8:25 AM, bmoore wrote:Fundamentally, it's all about the self. But how you treat others matters, even on rst :-)
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:10:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I think you're right about that.
On 8/30/23 5:24 AM, bmoore wrote:Thank you. I respect your choices as well.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:You are right: nothing is for sure in any absolute sense.
On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:OK.
There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth, >>>>>>>>>>> they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites. >>>>>>>>>>>
crown at a king's coronation.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets >>>>>>>>>>> of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people >>>>>>>>>>> give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses >>>>>>>>>>> instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be >>>>>>>>>>> abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just >>>>>>>>>>> like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... >>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also >>>>>>>>>>> in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers. >>>>>>>>>>>br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >>>>>>>>>> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>>>>>
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity >>>>>> associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as >>>>>> yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
But the way I see it, I have to navigate thru life making decisions--or >>>> I can simply go with the flow, but that's not possible for me, my type >>>> of personality. These decisions are essentially bets, and I make it a
point to try for the best odds possible that will support my goals--and >>>> that's not simply a conversational device: I've had nesting, scoped
goals for at least 40 years, and prior to that, goals that were much
more vague.
I've been goal-oriented my entire life, one way or another.
So, seeing things this way, the bet that there is life after death is a >>>> non-betting situation; don't bet on it. What's more, it has not been
demonstrated to me that I even *have* to place this bet. So it looks
like a losing bet on a situation on which I needn't make a choice.
So that's how I see it, nor am I saying it's correct. *I* think it is, >>>> and it's why I live as I do, but no guarantees, anywhere. You live as
you think proper, and I respect that.
In a way, life after death questions are irrelevant, because what will happen is what will happen (though speculating is interesting to some of us). How to live the life in front of you is bigger.
I've never actually had any of the curiosity about my individual purpose
in life,
where it all started,where we're going, etc., that I read aboutNice analogy. But you've lived long enough to figure some things out.
in many people. Life has always seemed to me like I got para-dropped
into the middle of it.
I had the great good fortune of having parentsAt least we weren't beaten physically. Some here probably were. Life can suck.
and relatives who gave me a clue, at least, and I'll run my course as
long as I can, and that's that.
It's much simpler that way, too.
On 8/30/23 9:10 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 8:25 AM, bmoore wrote:Fundamentally, it's all about the self. But how you treat others matters, even on rst :-)
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:10:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I think you're right about that.
On 8/30/23 5:24 AM, bmoore wrote:Thank you. I respect your choices as well.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:04:38 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:38 PM, bmoore wrote:You are right: nothing is for sure in any absolute sense.
Sure, but nothing in life is for sure. Why do you accept that the sun will rise tomorrow?On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:OK.
There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.
But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth, >>>>>>>>>>> they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites. >>>>>>>>>>>
crown at a king's coronation.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets >>>>>>>>>>> of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people >>>>>>>>>>> give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses >>>>>>>>>>> instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my >>>>>>>>>>> favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be >>>>>>>>>>> abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any* >>>>>>>>>>> funding and they will have to work for their lives, just >>>>>>>>>>> like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... >>>>>>>>>>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also >>>>>>>>>>> in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers. >>>>>>>>>>>br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
I see no evidence whatsoever that after death any non-physical entity >>>>>> associated in any way with the deceased survives.
I have left the door open all these years, but have seen no inkling as
yet. Nothing that I could accept as indicative.
Does this make sense to you, b?
But the way I see it, I have to navigate thru life making decisions--or >>>> I can simply go with the flow, but that's not possible for me, my type >>>> of personality. These decisions are essentially bets, and I make it a >>>> point to try for the best odds possible that will support my goals--and >>>> that's not simply a conversational device: I've had nesting, scoped >>>> goals for at least 40 years, and prior to that, goals that were much >>>> more vague.
I've been goal-oriented my entire life, one way or another.
So, seeing things this way, the bet that there is life after death is a >>>> non-betting situation; don't bet on it. What's more, it has not been >>>> demonstrated to me that I even *have* to place this bet. So it looks >>>> like a losing bet on a situation on which I needn't make a choice.
So that's how I see it, nor am I saying it's correct. *I* think it is, >>>> and it's why I live as I do, but no guarantees, anywhere. You live as >>>> you think proper, and I respect that.
In a way, life after death questions are irrelevant, because what will happen is what will happen (though speculating is interesting to some of us). How to live the life in front of you is bigger.
I've never actually had any of the curiosity about my individual purpose >> in life,
where it all started,where we're going, etc., that I read aboutNice analogy. But you've lived long enough to figure some things out.
in many people. Life has always seemed to me like I got para-dropped
into the middle of it.
Yes.I had the great good fortune of having parentsAt least we weren't beaten physically. Some here probably were. Life can suck.
and relatives who gave me a clue, at least, and I'll run my course as
long as I can, and that's that.
It's much simpler that way, too.
The para-dropping is blind. You can get dropped into an active civil
war. Spina bifida or Downs's is like being dropped into a lake, or something.
That did not happen to me. Now, *that's* part of what I see as "birth
luck". As an analogy, it is something like life being a stand pat poker
hand that you are dealt at birth. I believe that I got a low to mid 3 of
a kind.
Now that's *good*, very good...but you must now play it correctly.
And
even the ability to see life this way is in a sense a part of the birth
luck hand.
Life's strange, isn't it?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
Yup.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 8:25 AM, bmoore wrote:
I had the great good fortune of having parents
and relatives who gave me a clue, at least, and I'll run my course as
long as I can, and that's that.
It's much simpler that way, too.
At least we weren't beaten physically. Some here probably were. Life can suck.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life
Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.
On 31/08/2023 2:10 am, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:41:07 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 8:25 AM, bmoore wrote:
I had the great good fortune of having parents
and relatives who gave me a clue, at least, and I'll run my course as
long as I can, and that's that.
It's much simpler that way, too.
At least we weren't beaten physically. Some here probably were. Life
can suck.
Some weren't that should have been.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:32 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:21:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 9:08 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:17:09 AM UTC-7, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:41:21 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/28/23 8:24 AM, bmoore wrote:“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 11:00:18 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On 8/27/23 10:50 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:It is a blast furnace.
Yeah, that's hellish...On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:58:46 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:Diverting a bit, there is a visual of Hell in a recent Basque film,
He is burning in hell.He knew he is heading to hell but he thought he will be the best there
https://youtu.be/t_z8OvUVVtU?si=O7ahvnOKOknMMVj_
Erramentari, (The Devil and the Blacksmith) where towards the end, they
come to the gates of Hell (so to speak), and it just makes even a person
like me squirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuHDrjG884U
Not so much the foul, stinking demons, but the actual "structure" of Hell...
Well, I can see that POV, but so far as I know, we don't get to vote on >> our divinity.An interesting link, thanks.A couple of days ago I posted a link to a vision of hell in a film.Which one are you? :-)It is exactly like Seneca the Younger said, something like: the common
-Luke
folks think that religion is true, the wise think it is foolish and the
rulers think it is *USEFUL*.
It is a very useful lie to claim that it is blessed to be poor on thisI don't agree with the "pie in the sky" philosophy. We should try to be happy in the here and now.
earth, and then you will be rewarded in the afterlife. The rich bastard
rulers love it as they can enjoy their riches without being disturbed.
It
would be ironic if it's not just sinners, but *everyone*, who is
frogmarched into the furnace simply to heat God's celestial Jacuzzi. >> > ho ever walked it."
I would want no part of such a God. Our God created us with free will, but with power comes responsibility.
...but that's just me.
Look at the power that a scumbag like Putin has. Real power comes from within.The USSR communists wanted to destroy Christianity and replace it
with their own communist religion where the communist leaders play
the role of the gods.
Putler sees religion as useful. The Russian Orthodox Church fully
supports everything that Putler does. The fucking priests praise his
person and deeds.
Putler is very happy as he gets justification for his actions
from the fucking priests. Putler praises the fucking Orthodox Church to return the favour. I am sure that the fucking priests also get money and other goodies, too.
It is a clear example of a symbiotic relationship.
The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
if you choose to follow Jesus you do,How do you follow a totally crazy Jewish dude who died
something like 2000 years ago, sir?
In his delusional dreams Jesus even thought that he
would return soon. It was supposed to happen when some
of his original followers were still alive. None of
this ever happened, of course.
The damn Christian cannot even agree about which Bible
is the correct one, and so they include different
books in their canonical editions. That's laughable.
There are probably *thousands* of different Christian
sects and churches around, almost all of them claiming
to be the purest and most correct choice for believers.
It is just a bunch of delusions and bullshit that is
designed to fool people. The ruling class loves it.
Putler's followers firmly believe that the fucking
Russian Orthodox priests are right in praising
Putler. The stupidity comes with a price you
have to pay: All the freedoms are gone in the fucking
Putlerlandia, but the brain-washed people do not
either realize it, or they do not care about it.
So disgusting.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> writes:
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it?Yes. Why should I think otherwise?
Why?
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough toIt is true. But once you have removed the fucking royal families,
bet on, in my opinion.
you can have a democracy that is *a bit better*. When Finland got
its independence in 1917, some crazy bastards insisted that Finland
should become a kingdom like Sweden, Norway, Denmark and UK.
They even had figured out a suitable candidate for our king, i.e.
some idiot from Germany was supposed to become The King of Finland!
It's been too long since I took any history lessons, so I cannot
remember why this evil plan got overturned. But we did not get
kings, queens, princes and princesses. We now have a political system
that is based on voting. There are no "political positions"
one can inherit by the virtue of belonging to a certain family.
Like elsewhere, most of our politicians are ignorant trash, but
at least we can choose to vote or not. When you have kings and
queens, the ordinary folks have to pay for their arrogant
life styles and finance their disgusting lives. Royal families are
a big disgrace indeed... No wonder wise people in the UK say:
"NOT MY KING!"
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
But do you think that after we die, we're just deadWe cannot be absolutely certain of what will happen
and that's it? Why?
after we die.
When we observe elderly people who suffer from
brain-related illnesses, we can be surprised how
their entire personality can change. A friendly person
can turn into a raving maniac who is evil towards
everyone. Some people lose all their inhibitions and
start having sex with everybody. Basically
anything could happen.
In other words, when our brain gets seriously sick,
it can completely change the consciousness and
behaviour of the person in question. It is very
difficult to believe that a person has a separate
"soul" that is distinct from the person created
by our brains.
However, we can be absolutely certain that Bibles
are self-contradictory collections of bad literature.
They are for the most part just a bunch of sick lies
and ancient mythologies. As a non-believer, I actually
urge everyone to read some version of the Bible. It
is the best way to turn people into non-believers.
Just don't believe the Christians and don't ignore
the Old Testament.
Really torment yourself and start right from the
beginning. The Genesis. I am pretty sure you
will not even make it to the New Testament before
you get sick and tired of the stupid and
disgusting stories you come across in the Old
Testament.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
On 8/30/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:39:06 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 30/08/2023 10:42 pm, bmoore wrote:Well, there is innate memory. When you know to get on a bus you don't recall memories, you just do it.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:But the result is exactly the same as if you don't come back at all. I
On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why?
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life
mean if you can't and will never remember a past life, that's the same
as this being your 1st time around.
How can you improve if you have no memory of any actions you took inFor me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation >>>> if you have no memory of your past existence?Buddhists take solace in knowing that the self will continue, and will have opportunity for improvement.
previous lives? Makes no sense. Ok if you have recollection of your
past lives, then you can learn something.
But you're talking to a Christian. I have studied Buddhism, and think its focus on the self is meaningful, but you should maybe talk to a real Buddhist. FWIW though, I don't think reincarnation means a total reboot. What is the self?This Buddhist stuff is interesting, b. There are many flavors of it,
just as in Christianity. Interestingly, I do not think that there is as
much *doctrinal* divergence in Judaism and Islam as there is in
Christianity and Buddhism. Not sure why yet.
Anyway, the Buddha, in the most basic sense and from direct quotes attributed to him, is not talking about divinity (he's not holy,
according to him) and advises certain ways to approach life *to make it
more bearable while living*. It is, therefore, a philosophy rather than
a theology.
Of course those following took it and ran with it, creating a structured reincarnation schema, a priesthood, and what have you.
FWIW, my wife is nominally a Buddhist, just as I'm nominally a
Christian. It was one of the things I found attractive about her was
that she viewed Buddhism about the same way I viewed Christianity. It
was a part of my upbringing, but not ever really attached to it. I was *outside* of it, looking at it, all along.
Now, it may be that as I approach death, I might just want to get
"saved", so who knows? Maybe I should shop for the best deal... :^)
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)being rich and famous obviously.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57?AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38?AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote::-)
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46?AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
Life's strange, isn't it?
Yup.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
being rich and famous obviously.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 16:22:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/30/23 8:01 AM, bmoore wrote:why? absolutely nothing about Buddhism makes sense or has any use, it's all hippy idealism which doesn't add up at all.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:39:06 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:This Buddhist stuff is interesting, b. There are many flavors of it,
On 30/08/2023 10:42 pm, bmoore wrote:Well, there is innate memory. When you know to get on a bus you don't recall memories, you just do it.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:54:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>> On 30/08/2023 5:38 am, bmoore wrote:But the result is exactly the same as if you don't come back at all. I >>>> mean if you can't and will never remember a past life, that's the same >>>> as this being your 1st time around.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>Tell me what the difference is between these 2 scenarios;
But do you think that after we die, we're just dead and that's it? Why? >>>>>>>
- You die and that's it
- You die but come back as someone else with no memory of your past life >>>>> Believers in reincarnation believe you come back as you, not someone else. Even if you don't remember.
How can you improve if you have no memory of any actions you took inFor me there is no difference. How can you take solace in reincarnation >>>>>> if you have no memory of your past existence?Buddhists take solace in knowing that the self will continue, and will have opportunity for improvement.
previous lives? Makes no sense. Ok if you have recollection of your
past lives, then you can learn something.
But you're talking to a Christian. I have studied Buddhism, and think its focus on the self is meaningful, but you should maybe talk to a real Buddhist. FWIW though, I don't think reincarnation means a total reboot. What is the self?
just as in Christianity. Interestingly, I do not think that there is as
much *doctrinal* divergence in Judaism and Islam as there is in
Christianity and Buddhism. Not sure why yet.
Anyway, the Buddha, in the most basic sense and from direct quotes
attributed to him, is not talking about divinity (he's not holy,
according to him) and advises certain ways to approach life *to make it
more bearable while living*. It is, therefore, a philosophy rather than
a theology.
Of course those following took it and ran with it, creating a structured
reincarnation schema, a priesthood, and what have you.
FWIW, my wife is nominally a Buddhist, just as I'm nominally a
Christian. It was one of the things I found attractive about her was
that she viewed Buddhism about the same way I viewed Christianity. It
was a part of my upbringing, but not ever really attached to it. I was
*outside* of it, looking at it, all along.
Now, it may be that as I approach death, I might just want to get
"saved", so who knows? Maybe I should shop for the best deal... :^)
On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 20:38:34 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:years by those who were religious!! so we should ban all religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is >> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to
bet on, in my opinion.
this is a classic Marxist reply from bmoore agreeing with this KK idiot about religion being bad! cos we must all remember that whilst more than 100MILLION people were killed by atheists in the past 100 years, about 5million were killed in past 2000I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are telling is not evil at all.
Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but >> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is
It's like when a church official putting on theExactly. The roaylties are nothing but scum of the earth,
crown at a king's coronation.
they are nothing but blood-sucking vampires and parasites.
Just look at the UK. There are homeless people on the streets
of London, suffering a great deal. The common British people
give their money to kings, queens, princes and princesses
instead of helping the poor. So insane.
I like UK a lot, I even love the country... Most of my
favourite artists come from UK or USA.
But those kings and queens are just bastards that need to be
abolished. The "royal families" must not receive *any*
funding and they will have to work for their lives, just
like all the others.
An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours...Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also
in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers.
br,
KK
removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil deceivers who
merely have a different tale to tell.
There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to >> bet on, in my opinion.
I hope I've missed the smiley face, b.There has been enormous wrong done in the name of religion.
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:> On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 20:38:34 UTC+1, bmoore wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> > > On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote: > > > >On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> > > >> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > > > >>> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > >>>> It's like when a church official putting on the > > > >>>> crown at a king's
deceivers who > > > >> merely have a different tale to tell. > > > >> > > > >> There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to > > > >> bet on, in my opinion.> > > > But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are tellinglike all the others. > > > >>> > > > >>>> An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... > > > >>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also > > > >>> in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers. > > > >>
br, > > > >>> KK> > > >> I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but > > > >> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is > > > >> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil
On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 10:56:49 -0700 (PDT), The Iceberg
<iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57?AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38?AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote::-)
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46?AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
Life's strange, isn't it?
Yup.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
being rich and famous obviously.That's not what JC said (allegedly). (Matthew 19:24)
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:rOn Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> > > >> On 8/29/23 12:00 PM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote: > > > >>> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> wrote:> > > >>>> It's like when a church official putting on the > > > >>>> crown at a king's
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:> On Tuesday, 29 August 2023 at 20:38:34 UTC+1, bmoore wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 12:31:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> > > On 8/29/23 12:27 PM, bmoore wrote: > > > >
deceivers who > > > >> merely have a different tale to tell. > > > >> > > > >> There are--and can be--some exceptions, but the odds are good enough to > > > >> bet on, in my opinion.> > > > But Sawfish, why do you see us as evil? The tale we are tellinglike all the others. > > > >>> > > > >>>> An example of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours... > > > >>> Correct. The royal family members and the priests are also > > > >>> in a symbiotic relationship. Both are also evil deceivers. > > > >>
br, > > > >>> KK> > > >> I think that by and large we are on a lot the same wavelength, kk, but > > > >> history leads me to believe that when one group of evil deceivers is > > > >> removed, they tend to be replaced by another group of evil
Are you denying what you said?
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real?What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)being rich and famous obviously.
How about happiness?
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:03:28 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:the same!
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:no they don't loads of them die very happy cos they have tons of money and are surrounded by fans etc. Sawfish has said his whole life has been goal oriented money earning that what makes him happy and he measures success by, like Bill Gates is much
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>> Life's strange, isn't it?being rich and famous obviously.
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
How about happiness?
look at your hero Obama, he used to be worth $400,000 now he's worth $80MILLION, what makes them happy is earning money by going around doing famous speeches, same with Hillary.
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:03:28 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:the same! look at your hero Obama, he used to be worth $400,000 now he's worth $80MILLION, what makes them happy is earning money by going around doing famous speeches, same with Hillary.
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
Life's strange, isn't it?
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real?What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)being rich and famous obviously.
How about happiness?no they don't loads of them die very happy cos they have tons of money and are surrounded by fans etc. Sawfish has said his whole life has been goal oriented money earning that what makes him happy and he measures success by, like Bill Gates is much
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:36:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:the same! look at your hero Obama, he used to be worth $400,000 now he's worth $80MILLION, what makes them happy is earning money by going around doing famous speeches, same with Hillary.
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:03:28 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:no they don't loads of them die very happy cos they have tons of money and are surrounded by fans etc. Sawfish has said his whole life has been goal oriented money earning that what makes him happy and he measures success by, like Bill Gates is much
Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real?On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> Life's strange, isn't it?being rich and famous obviously.
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
How about happiness?
Obama's not my hero.
Money is good, but obsession is not.
"For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
That's from the Bible.
On 9/1/23 9:23 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:36:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
Money is a form of energy, like electricity or petrol. Intelligent application makes almost all problems easier to solve. It's a force multiplier. I do not mean this in a cynical way.
In another way, it is like stored fat with which to ward of the danger
of a hard winter.
It is also like a great lubricant: smooths rough edges, when you
encounter them.
Other than that it has no value. I mean, gold is a bitchin' substance,
but that's not money any more. It is a luxury commodity more than it is
a currency.
Now, given all that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would not
want it. I can see a sort of sour grapes approach of saying that one
prefers to be honest but poor, but this is usually because one would
like to have more than one currently has access to. It's sorta of an
obvious attempt at self-ennoblement.
On 2/09/2023 2:35 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/1/23 9:23 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:36:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
Money is a form of energy, like electricity or petrol. Intelligent
application makes almost all problems easier to solve. It's a force
multiplier. I do not mean this in a cynical way.
In another way, it is like stored fat with which to ward of the
danger of a hard winter.
It is also like a great lubricant: smooths rough edges, when you
encounter them.
Other than that it has no value. I mean, gold is a bitchin'
substance, but that's not money any more. It is a luxury commodity
more than it is a currency.
Now, given all that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would
not want it. I can see a sort of sour grapes approach of saying that
one prefers to be honest but poor, but this is usually because one
would like to have more than one currently has access to. It's sorta
of an obvious attempt at self-ennoblement.
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your life.
On 9/1/23 9:23 AM, bmoore wrote:the same! look at your hero Obama, he used to be worth $400,000 now he's worth $80MILLION, what makes them happy is earning money by going around doing famous speeches, same with Hillary.
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:36:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:03:28 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:no they don't loads of them die very happy cos they have tons of money and are surrounded by fans etc. Sawfish has said his whole life has been goal oriented money earning that what makes him happy and he measures success by, like Bill Gates is much
Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real? >>>On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>> Life's strange, isn't it?being rich and famous obviously.
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
How about happiness?
Obama's not my hero.
Money is good, but obsession is not.
"For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
That's from the Bible.Money is a form of energy, like electricity or petrol. Intelligent application makes almost all problems easier to solve. It's a force multiplier. I do not mean this in a cynical way.
In another way, it is like stored fat with which to ward of the danger
of a hard winter.
It is also like a great lubricant: smooths rough edges, when you
encounter them.
Other than that it has no value. I mean, gold is a bitchin' substance,
but that's not money any more. It is a luxury commodity more than it is
a currency.
Now, given all that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would not
want it. I can see a sort of sour grapes approach of saying that one
prefers to be honest but poor, but this is usually because one would
like to have more than one currently has access to. It's sorta of an
obvious attempt at self-ennoblement.
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 9:36:03 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:the same! look at your hero Obama, he used to be worth $400,000 now he's worth $80MILLION, what makes them happy is earning money by going around doing famous speeches, same with Hillary.
On 9/1/23 9:23 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 12:36:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 19:03:28 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 20:26:37 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:no they don't loads of them die very happy cos they have tons of money and are surrounded by fans etc. Sawfish has said his whole life has been goal oriented money earning that what makes him happy and he measures success by, like Bill Gates is much
Shallow. Many of the rich and famous die miserably. Are you for real? >>>>>On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:39:57 AM UTC-7, Gracchus wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:05:38 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:42:46 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Life's strange, isn't it?being rich and famous obviously.
:-)Yup.I'm taking notes, cause this is some high-level discourse.
What do you think constitutes success? No pressure :-)
How about happiness?
I'll give you $50 to keep quiet about this :-)Obama's not my hero.Money is a form of energy, like electricity or petrol. Intelligent
Money is good, but obsession is not.
"For the love of money is the root of all of evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
That's from the Bible.
application makes almost all problems easier to solve. It's a force
multiplier. I do not mean this in a cynical way.
In another way, it is like stored fat with which to ward of the danger
of a hard winter.
It is also like a great lubricant: smooths rough edges, when you
encounter them.
Other than that it has no value. I mean, gold is a bitchin' substance,
but that's not money any more. It is a luxury commodity more than it is
a currency.
Now, given all that it's hard for me to understand why anyone would not
want it. I can see a sort of sour grapes approach of saying that one
prefers to be honest but poor, but this is usually because one would
like to have more than one currently has access to. It's sorta of an
obvious attempt at self-ennoblement.
On 9/1/23 10:14 AM, Whisper wrote:
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your life.
To me, that's what it's for.
...however, it can be used for *other* things, as well. Very much a
wildcard, isn't it, and who wouldn't want as many wildcards as possible?
I'll never understand anyone who doesn't.
I don't believe that it can extend life under normal circumstances very
much. For combating pathologies, sure, it can, but if you're relatively healthy, your genes have more to do with longevity than other factors.
...and here's what's extra fun! Suppose you had one parent who died of
old age at say 75--just worn out--and the other who died of old age at
~95? You get to fool yourself which set of genes you've got!!! Or
exactly which parts of you will wear out in what order. What fun!
At least that's how it's looking to me at this point.
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him.
On 2/09/2023 3:33 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/1/23 10:14 AM, Whisper wrote:
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your life.
To me, that's what it's for.
...however, it can be used for *other* things, as well. Very much a wildcard, isn't it, and who wouldn't want as many wildcards as possible? I'll never understand anyone who doesn't.
I don't believe that it can extend life under normal circumstances very much. For combating pathologies, sure, it can, but if you're relatively healthy, your genes have more to do with longevity than other factors.
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him.
...and here's what's extra fun! Suppose you had one parent who died of
old age at say 75--just worn out--and the other who died of old age at ~95? You get to fool yourself which set of genes you've got!!! Or
exactly which parts of you will wear out in what order. What fun!
At least that's how it's looking to me at this point.
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days.
My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest
of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I
can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health
is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst
thing would be losing my sight.
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:Mustache" is brilliant. I used to include that in my own repertoire, even though at the time, I didn't know who half the characters in the song were: Sky King, Boston Blackie, etc. Then again, subsequent generations forgetting those things is much the
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him.
Nope. It helps of course to have great medical care, but anyone can be gone in a flash. As said in "Lawrence of Arabia," "It is written."
I saw Buffet in concert in 1984 playing solo with acoustic guitar. I wasn't much of a fan. I went with friends who were. I'd gotten to hate "Margaritaville" from living in S. Florida and hearing it in bars 10 million times. But I think "Pencil-Thin
Anyway, I had to admit after seeing him, he was a great showman. Didn't do any one thing particularly well, but knew how to entertain a crowd.
On 2/09/2023 10:55 pm, Gracchus wrote:Mustache" is brilliant. I used to include that in my own repertoire, even though at the time, I didn't know who half the characters in the song were: Sky King, Boston Blackie, etc. Then again, subsequent generations forgetting those things is much the
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him.
Nope. It helps of course to have great medical care, but anyone can be gone in a flash. As said in "Lawrence of Arabia," "It is written."
I saw Buffet in concert in 1984 playing solo with acoustic guitar. I wasn't much of a fan. I went with friends who were. I'd gotten to hate "Margaritaville" from living in S. Florida and hearing it in bars 10 million times. But I think "Pencil-Thin
Anyway, I had to admit after seeing him, he was a great showman. Didn't do any one thing particularly well, but knew how to entertain a crowd.
Yeah can't say I was a big fan but he's one of those sleepers that's
been around forever and one day you wake up and realize he's a classic. 'Come Monday' is one I really like.
On 2/09/2023 10:55 pm, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't
save him.
Nope. It helps of course to have great medical care, but anyone can
be gone in a flash. As said in "Lawrence of Arabia," "It is written."
I saw Buffet in concert in 1984 playing solo with acoustic guitar. I
wasn't much of a fan. I went with friends who were. I'd gotten to
hate "Margaritaville" from living in S. Florida and hearing it in
bars 10 million times. But I think "Pencil-Thin Mustache" is
brilliant. I used to include that in my own repertoire, even though
at the time, I didn't know who half the characters in the song were:
Sky King, Boston Blackie, etc. Then again, subsequent generations
forgetting those things is much the point of the song.
Anyway, I had to admit after seeing him, he was a great showman.
Didn't do any one thing particularly well, but knew how to entertain
a crowd.
Yeah can't say I was a big fan but he's one of those sleepers that's
been around forever and one day you wake up and realize he's a
classic. 'Come Monday' is one I really like.
On 2/09/2023 3:33 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/1/23 10:14 AM, Whisper wrote:
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your
life.
To me, that's what it's for.
...however, it can be used for *other* things, as well. Very much a
wildcard, isn't it, and who wouldn't want as many wildcards as
possible? I'll never understand anyone who doesn't.
I don't believe that it can extend life under normal circumstances
very much. For combating pathologies, sure, it can, but if you're
relatively healthy, your genes have more to do with longevity than
other factors.
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save
him.
...and here's what's extra fun! Suppose you had one parent who died
of old age at say 75--just worn out--and the other who died of old
age at ~95? You get to fool yourself which set of genes you've got!!!
Or exactly which parts of you will wear out in what order. What fun!
At least that's how it's looking to me at this point.
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's theHah. One of my cousin's mom, whose folks were Croatian from Dubrovnik,
big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those
days.
My father went at 75,76 here
mum is still going strong 76.Made 94
She's the youngest of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings.Most of it is out of your hands. You can maybe ameliorate peripheral
I'd like to think I can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that
as long as my health is good. Everything good so far but things can
change quickly. Worst thing would be losing my sight.
This guy had a sense of humor - I'll have to arrange something like
this for myself;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEygbbZK-u0
On 9/2/23 2:32 AM, Whisper wrote:
Hah. One of my cousin's mom, whose folks were Croatian from Dubrovnik,
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the
big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those
days.
lived to be 104 also. She was the oldest known Metkovich (maiden name)
on record.
On 3/09/2023 1:57 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/2/23 2:32 AM, Whisper wrote:
Hah. One of my cousin's mom, whose folks were Croatian from
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the
big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those
days.
Dubrovnik, lived to be 104 also. She was the oldest known Metkovich
(maiden name) on record.
Hmm, wonder if it's the same person and we're related? Can't be too
many 104 yr olds from that time. Will have to check.
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On 2/09/2023 3:33 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/1/23 10:14 AM, Whisper wrote:
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your life.
To me, that's what it's for.
...however, it can be used for *other* things, as well. Very much a wildcard, isn't it, and who wouldn't want as many wildcards as possible? I'll never understand anyone who doesn't.
I don't believe that it can extend life under normal circumstances very much. For combating pathologies, sure, it can, but if you're relatively healthy, your genes have more to do with longevity than other factors.
Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him.
...and here's what's extra fun! Suppose you had one parent who died of old age at say 75--just worn out--and the other who died of old age at ~95? You get to fool yourself which set of genes you've got!!! Or exactly which parts of you will wear out in what order. What fun!
At least that's how it's looking to me at this point.
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days.That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest
of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I
can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health
is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst
thing would be losing my sight.
On 3/09/2023 1:57 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/2/23 2:32 AM, Whisper wrote:Hmm, wonder if it's the same person and we're related? Can't be too
Hah. One of my cousin's mom, whose folks were Croatian from Dubrovnik, lived to be 104 also. She was the oldest known Metkovich (maiden name)
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the
big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those
days.
on record.
many 104 yr olds from that time. Will have to check.
On Sunday, 3 September 2023 at 10:00:40 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
On 3/09/2023 1:57 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/2/23 2:32 AM, Whisper wrote:Hmm, wonder if it's the same person and we're related? Can't be too
Hah. One of my cousin's mom, whose folks were Croatian from Dubrovnik,
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the
big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those
days.
lived to be 104 also. She was the oldest known Metkovich (maiden name)
on record.
many 104 yr olds from that time. Will have to check.
yeah sounds quite possible, especially of that generation, that would be your great great grandmother was that in the 1800's? my Grandfather lived to be nearly 100, but he was born in the 20th >century.
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days. My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I
can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst thing would be losing my sight.
That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often. It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept theyhave it.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:56:19 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big >>>> outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days. >>>> My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest >>>> of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think IThat would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health >>>> is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst
thing would be losing my sight.
have it.it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often. It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept they
*Eventually* they don't know, but it's a long road before they reach that point. That may be the worst thing about it.
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 2/09/2023 3:33 am, Sawfish wrote:That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
On 9/1/23 10:14 AM, Whisper wrote:Jimmy Buffet just died 76 - worth 1 billion$ apparently, couldn't save him. >>>> ...and here's what's extra fun! Suppose you had one parent who died of >>>> old age at say 75--just worn out--and the other who died of old age at >>>> ~95? You get to fool yourself which set of genes you've got!!! Or
Money is fantastic. It eliminates a lot of potential crap in your life. >>>> To me, that's what it's for.
...however, it can be used for *other* things, as well. Very much a
wildcard, isn't it, and who wouldn't want as many wildcards as possible? >>>> I'll never understand anyone who doesn't.
I don't believe that it can extend life under normal circumstances very >>>> much. For combating pathologies, sure, it can, but if you're relatively >>>> healthy, your genes have more to do with longevity than other factors.
exactly which parts of you will wear out in what order. What fun!My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big
At least that's how it's looking to me at this point.
outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days.
My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest
of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I
can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health
is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst
thing would be losing my sight.
it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often.
It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept they have it.
On 9/4/23 3:29 AM, Gracchus wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:56:19 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>> My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big >>>> outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days. >>>> My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest >>>> of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I >>>> can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health >>>> is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst >>>> thing would be losing my sight.
That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
have it.it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often. It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept they
*Eventually* they don't know, but it's a long road before they reach that point. That may be the worst thing about it.
Physician assisted suicide is lawful here in OR. I'm not sure of its limitations, however.
One revealing thing, however: not as many people use this option as one might think. Most recent year I could easily find was 298 out of a population of 4.2M.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:26:03 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On 9/4/23 3:29 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:56:19 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>> My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big >>>>>> outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days. >>>>>> My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest >>>>>> of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I >>>>>> can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health >>>>>> is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst >>>>>> thing would be losing my sight.
That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
have it.it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often. It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept they
Even in the states that have legalized physician-assisted suicide, "the system" is very resistant to it. They do not disseminate information or even make it easily available.*Eventually* they don't know, but it's a long road before they reach that point. That may be the worst thing about it.Physician assisted suicide is lawful here in OR. I'm not sure of its
limitations, however.
One revealing thing, however: not as many people use this option as one
might think. Most recent year I could easily find was 298 out of a
population of 4.2M.
I have reason to believe religious organizations (which own many hospitals) have a lot to do with that. The issue is also a minefield for politicians.It was approved by direct vote here (60% in favor), so it probably would
I'm pretty sure I'd use that option if I found myself afflicted. Fortunately, I have no family history of it on either side....or at least none that you can recall...
That's some comfort, but obviously no guarantee.Sorry Gracchus. I had too much caffeine this AM...
On 9/4/23 11:52 AM, Gracchus wrote:person was before, it makes them utterly dependent. And worse than blindness, the confusion, etc, which must be like a living nightmare.
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:26:03 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/4/23 3:29 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:56:19 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 13:44:17 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 2:32:32 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>>>>> My paternal grandfather died at 88, his grandmother 104. She's the big
outlier, nobody knows why she lived so long especially for those days.That would be bad, but Alzheimer's equally frightening IMO. When you read about famous people having their minds deteriorate--Peter Falk, Charles Bronson, Glen Campbell, Robin Williams, now Bruce Willis. No matter how sharp or self-sufficient the
My father went at 75, mum is still going strong 76. She's the youngest
of 9 and also the longest lived of her siblings. I'd like to think I >>>>>> can make it to 80, happy to keep going beyond that as long as my health
is good. Everything good so far but things can change quickly. Worst >>>>>> thing would be losing my sight.
they have it.it an absolutely terrible disease, but the person affected doesn't know, they just get angry and confused often. It a nightmare for the husband/wife trying to look after them cos as well as the physical toll it also takes a long time to accept
I don't see it being heavily advertised during Jeopardy, if that's whatEven in the states that have legalized physician-assisted suicide, "the system" is very resistant to it. They do not disseminate information or even make it easily available.*Eventually* they don't know, but it's a long road before they reach that point. That may be the worst thing about it.Physician assisted suicide is lawful here in OR. I'm not sure of its
limitations, however.
One revealing thing, however: not as many people use this option as one >> might think. Most recent year I could easily find was 298 out of a
population of 4.2M.
you mean.
My Spam box has a lot of info on "woodies for seniors", and claims that
my computer is under the complete control of someone who'll tell
everyone in my email address book that I'm a confirmed onanist if I
don't send them a fistful of bitcoins (that's how I know Raja is still employed), but none for assisted suicide, so far.
I have reason to believe religious organizations (which own many hospitals) have a lot to do with that. The issue is also a minefield for politicians.It was approved by direct vote here (60% in favor), so it probably would
not be fatal (hah!) to any politician.
I'm pretty sure I'd use that option if I found myself afflicted. Fortunately, I have no family history of it on either side....or at least none that you can recall...
That's some comfort, but obviously no guarantee.
Sorry Gracchus. I had too much caffeine this AM...
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