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He was unlucky overall.

Sometimes you get difficult draw, sometimes easy one. It's random.

He got an easy now and not in 2021 when he needed it the most.

So a bad luck.




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On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:37:28 PM UTC-7, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 26.8.2023 klo 0.30:

Eight qualifiers in djokovic half, zverev, sinner, and Medvedev are in the other half.

Djokovic is in the final already.

Yep

Imagine that old line-lady returns for his opening match with a bullseye tattooed on her throat.

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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 26.8.2023 klo 0.30:

Eight qualifiers in djokovic half, zverev, sinner, and Medvedev are in the other half.

Djokovic is in the final already.

Yep

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Eight qualifiers in djokovic half, zverev, sinner, and Medvedev are in the other half.

Djokovic is in the final already.
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It doesn't matter really. Sometimes, a weaker draw on paper produces surprises. Also, you never know, somebody like Fritz or FAA could have a great day and upset Pipe. I doubt it but you never know especially since the USO has been Pipe's weakest slam.

Even if Djokovic wins this USO, so what? Should he really have less USO titles than Nadal? Does that seem right given the disparity in their hard court prowess?

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

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Correction: ten qualifiers in Djok's half and six qualifiers in
Alcaraz's half.
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On 26/08/2023 7:30 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Eight qualifiers in djokovic half, zverev, sinner, and Medvedev are in the other half.

Djokovic is in the final already.

Alcaraz is his only rival so it doesn't matter. Injury is the only
wildcard.

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On 26/08/2023 8:29 am, Court_1 wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Sometimes, a weaker draw on paper produces surprises. Also, you never know, somebody like Fritz or FAA could have a great day and upset Pipe. I doubt it but you never know especially since the USO has been Pipe's weakest slam.

Even if Djokovic wins this USO, so what? Should he really have less USO titles than Nadal? Does that seem right given the disparity in their hard court prowess?

Novak said every slam at this stage is another golden opportunity for
him. If Alcaraz loses early this is Novak's 24th slam all the way.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Alcaraz is his only rival so it doesn't matter. Injury is
the only wildcard.

Sinner and Zverev are also capable of beating Djoker.

Jannik Sinner is gaining in confidence after his
first ATP1000 win in Toronto. Sasha is also getting
closer to his top form.

br,
KK

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On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:29:53 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Sometimes, a weaker draw on paper produces surprises. Also, you never know, somebody like Fritz or FAA could have a great day and upset Pipe. I doubt it but you never know especially since the USO has been Pipe's weakest slam.

Even if Djokovic wins this USO, so what? Should he really have less USO titles than Nadal? Does that seem right given the disparity in their hard court prowess?

FAA and Fritz both were struggling during practice. Unless a miracle happens they have zero chance against Djoker

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On 26/08/2023 9:03 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Alcaraz is his only rival so it doesn't matter. Injury is
the only wildcard.

Sinner and Zverev are also capable of beating Djoker.

Jannik Sinner is gaining in confidence after his
first ATP1000 win in Toronto. Sasha is also getting
closer to his top form.

br,
KK

Sinner lost 1st rd in cin straight after, lost to Novak in straights at Wimbledon. I have no doubt he has the game/talent, but the mind is very suspect. It's puzzling how he hit a wall 2 yrs ago and stayed there,
seemingly content and thinking he's doing well. He needs a good kick up
the arse and a reality check.

Sasha would have to play the match of his life to beat Novak, and unless
Novak is injured he'll still lose imo. Maybe if the calendar slam was
on the line, but Novak has no big pressure he's already the slam king.
His goal is to win as many slams as he can before time runs out, and of
course to get as many wins as he can against Carlos, especially in
slams. Beating the next super great at his advanced age is great for
his legacy.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Sinner lost 1st rd in cin straight after,

Sad but true.

lost to Novak in straights at Wimbledon.

I have a vague recollection that Sinner has lead
Djoker by sets 2-0 in some GS, but I may be mistaken.

Perhaps it was someone else. I just don't remember.

I have no doubt he has the game/talent, but the mind is very
suspect. It's puzzling how he hit a wall 2 yrs ago and stayed there, seemingly content and thinking he's doing well. He needs a good kick up
the arse and a reality check.

Maybe his mental side is now better after winning ATP1000 Masters
level tournament.

Sasha would have to play the match of his life to beat Novak, and unless Novak is injured he'll still lose imo. Maybe if the calendar slam was
on the line, but Novak has no big pressure he's already the slam king.
His goal is to win as many slams as he can before time runs out, and of course to get as many wins as he can against Carlos, especially in
slams. Beating the next super great at his advanced age is great for
his legacy.

I don't think 110% effort is required from Sasha. If he can play 90-95%
of his skill set, he could beat Djoker. When working, his serve is
very good, plus both his topspin groundstrokes are huge.

I completely forgot to mention Holger Rune. He is also a top player
to watch and has won an ATP1000 level tournament. He could also
pose a serious challenge to Djoker especially if Djoker has a
bit of bad day.

br,
KK

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On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:03:42 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper wrote:

Alcaraz is his only rival so it doesn't matter. Injury is
the only wildcard.

Sinner and Zverev are also capable of beating Djoker.

Jannik Sinner is gaining in confidence after his
first ATP1000 win in Toronto. Sasha is also getting
closer to his top form.

What is this based on? So far, the head to head is 3-0 for Djokovic. If Djokovic plays long enough, the head to head will be worse than the Djokovic-Berdych or Djokovic-Cilic head to heads were. Djokovic eats those types of players for breakfast.
Zverev, if he's playing lights out, has a much better chance of beating Djokovic than Sinner IMO and his chances aren't great in a best of five.

What does Sinner have in his game that will bother Djokovic? I don't know why so many people hype Sinner. It's true I haven't watched him much but I think I've seen enough. If he can't win the point in the first three shots vs Djokovic, he's toast.

Sinner won Toronto beating stiffs(metal hip Murray, that stooge Monfils, etc.)

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On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:28:10 AM UTC-4, undecided wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:29:53 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:

It doesn't matter really. Sometimes, a weaker draw on paper produces surprises. Also, you never know, somebody like Fritz or FAA could have a great day and upset Pipe. I doubt it but you never know especially since the USO has been Pipe's weakest

slam.

Even if Djokovic wins this USO, so what? Should he really have less USO titles than Nadal? Does that seem right given the disparity in their hard court prowess?

FAA and Fritz both were struggling during practice. Unless a miracle happens they have zero chance against Djoker

How a player plays in practice means nothing IMO. I agree that the odds of FAA and Fritz beating Djokovic are very slim.

I want to see another Djokovic-Alcaraz final. Let's hope and pray that we get that because watching a lot of these other clowns is almost impossible for me.

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Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:

I have a vague recollection that Sinner has lead
Djoker by sets 2-0 in some GS, but I may be mistaken.

I checked out the head-to-head stats. Sinner indeed
lead 2-0 in Wimbledon 2022, but he could not finish
the match. He was still pretty close to beating Djoker
in a big QF match.

br,
KK

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 7:03:42 AM UTC-4, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper wrote:

Alcaraz is his only rival so it doesn't matter. Injury is
the only wildcard.

Sinner and Zverev are also capable of beating Djoker.

Jannik Sinner is gaining in confidence after his
first ATP1000 win in Toronto. Sasha is also getting
closer to his top form.

What is this based on? So far, the head to head is 3-0 for Djokovic.

Sinner lead 2-0 in Wimbledon 2022, but could not finish the match.
It does show that Sinner could beat Djoker.

If Djokovic plays long enough, the head to head will be worse
than the Djokovic-Berdych or Djokovic-Cilic head to heads were.

We'll have to see.

Djokovic eats those types of players for breakfast.

He is the best, yes.

Zverev, if he's playing lights out, has a much better
chance of beating Djokovic than Sinner IMO and his chances
aren't great in a best of five.

Right. The head-to-head stats are 8-4 in this case.

What does Sinner have in his game that will bother Djokovic?
I don't know why so many people hype Sinner.

He is a hard-hitting young man who is getting better and better
all the time. He moves very, very well. His serve is also
quite good.

Let's not forget that he is only 22 years old. With proper
coaching, he will keep on improving.

It's true I haven't watched him much but I think I've seen enough.
If he can't win the point in the first three shots vs Djokovic, he's toast.

Don't forget that Sinner just got his first ATP1000 victory in Toronto.

It shows that he is making progress.

Sinner won Toronto beating stiffs(metal hip Murray, that stooge
Monfils, etc.)

Well, what can you do? You cannot decide how the draw will be, you
just have to win every opponent you will face.

br,
KK

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On 27/08/2023 7:16 pm, Whisper wrote:

On 27/08/2023 2:31 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:

I have a vague recollection that Sinner has lead
Djoker by sets 2-0 in some GS, but I may be mistaken.

I checked out the head-to-head stats. Sinner indeed
lead 2-0 in Wimbledon 2022, but he could not finish
the match. He was still pretty close to beating Djoker
in a big QF match.

br,
KK

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

Musetti also led Djoker 2 sets to 0 at FO but that was an easy win for
Novak as Musetti only won 1 more game in the match after 2 sets lol;

67 67 61 60 40

Musetti retired because he lost heart and said he couldn't win points in
the last 3 sets - what a wanker.

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On 27/08/2023 2:31 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:

I have a vague recollection that Sinner has lead
Djoker by sets 2-0 in some GS, but I may be mistaken.

I checked out the head-to-head stats. Sinner indeed
lead 2-0 in Wimbledon 2022, but he could not finish
the match. He was still pretty close to beating Djoker
in a big QF match.

br,
KK

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

Yes, the last time Djoker beat Sinner easily. It does not
mean that it will be the same the next time. I am pretty
sure that Sinner will beat Djoker in the future.

br,
KK

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 27/08/2023 7:16 pm, Whisper wrote:

On 27/08/2023 2:31 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:

I have a vague recollection that Sinner has lead
Djoker by sets 2-0 in some GS, but I may be mistaken.

I checked out the head-to-head stats. Sinner indeed
lead 2-0 in Wimbledon 2022, but he could not finish
the match. He was still pretty close to beating Djoker
in a big QF match.

br,
KK

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

Musetti also led Djoker 2 sets to 0 at FO but that was an easy win for
Novak as Musetti only won 1 more game in the match after 2 sets lol;

67 67 61 60 40

Musetti retired because he lost heart and said he couldn't win points in
the last 3 sets - what a wanker.

I agree that it was a real loser's attitude.

br,
KK

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Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:>> Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the>> technical potential

and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.> > What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?> > Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third> and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?> No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping.
Couldn't move.


Cramps aren't an injury.
MTOs aren't allowed for cramps.


So you lied on both accounts.

He wasn't injured and also he could move, and he moved a lot.


But he couldn't perform at the highest level.



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TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcaraz *himself* admitted that he was so nervous that
he began cramping. He choked big time and it had physical
consequences.

In Wimbledon, he did not choke at all.

br,
KK

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not unexpected when you play the GOAT.

Exactly. This the result of my googling to verify it:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."


If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

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On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

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On 27/08/2023 10:06 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not unexpected when you play the GOAT.

Alcaraz is guessing, he's not a doctor. The fact is he got cramps, that
was obvious to everyone. I was surprised he finished the last 2 sets
lol, can't imagine any other player who would do that. Goes to show the
kid is not a quitter even if on 1 leg. He probably should have pulled
out. Yes players owe it to the game and fans to give 100%, but only to
a point. It's not fun for the fans or Novak going through those last 2
sets like that.

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On 27/08/2023 10:09 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in
the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcaraz *himself* admitted that he was so nervous that
he began cramping. He choked big time and it had physical
consequences.

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure. The fact is he got cramps, who
cares what the reasons were? It's a legit win for Novak as that's all
part of the game, no excuses.

In Wimbledon, he did not choke at all.

br,
KK

Personally I didn't see much choking at FO. In fact I still thought
he'd win the match right up until it was obvious the cramps were set in.

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On 27/08/2023 10:11 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

Exactly. This the result of my googling to verify it:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."

If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves. There's always some
nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the
fave to win being on clay, but no way would I say he was choking. He got
cramps and couldn't move. Big deal, it's happened to most players at
some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.

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On 27/08/2023 11:56 pm, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the
mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

I haven't seen him choke so far, quite the opposite. he plays through
bad form/slumps and tries to find a way to win. That's what great
champs do. They can all look good when playing great, the hard part is
to win when you're not playing well. You can't play great every day.

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On 8/27/23 7:25 AM, Whisper wrote:

On 27/08/2023 10:06 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the
mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

Alcaraz is guessing, he's not a doctor.  The fact is he got cramps,
that was obvious to everyone.  I was surprised he finished the last 2
sets lol, can't imagine any other player who would do that.  Goes to
show the kid is not a quitter even if on 1 leg.  He probably should
have pulled out.  Yes players owe it to the game and fans to give
100%, but only to a point.  It's not fun for the fans or Novak going
through those last 2 sets like that.

You are working yourself in to a fine, Raducanu-like frenzy, Whisp.

But at least this time you've got a much better chance of your favorite
pulling through.

Now *that's* progress!

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."


If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves. There's always some
nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the
fave to win being on clay, but no way would I say he was choking. He got cramps and couldn't move. Big deal, it's happened to most players at
some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.

Holy fuck, man...

Did you even bother to read what Carlitos said? His cramps were
*caused by his nerves*. So he choked big time and was courageous
enough to admit it.

He never claimed to be injured in any way even though many people
would have said so in similar circumstances.

br,
KK

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TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

Carlitos choked on *that occasion*. It does not mean that he
always will.

He was in a very tough spot in Wimbledon against Djoker and
could easily have cracked mentally. But he didn't, he held
his nerves like a man and ended up winning the championship.

br,
KK

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On 8/27/23 9:34 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."


If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves. There's always some
nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the
fave to win being on clay, but no way would I say he was choking. He got
cramps and couldn't move. Big deal, it's happened to most players at
some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.

Holy fuck, man...

Did you even bother to read what Carlitos said? His cramps were
*caused by his nerves*. So he choked big time and was courageous
enough to admit it.

Why confuse the discussion by bringing in facts?

He never claimed to be injured in any way even though many people
would have said so in similar circumstances.

br,
KK

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure.

Because it is the only sensible explanation. Many would have
been to ashamed to admit it, but Carlitos made no excuses
about it. His mind could not take pressure and it causes
his body to fail as well.

It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only
two sets. It certainly was not due to wrong nutrition or not
drinking enough liquids, since Alcaraz's team is full of
professionals who take care of basic issues like that.

The fact is he got cramps, who cares what the reasons were?

I do care.

It's a legit win for Novak as that's all part of the game,
no excuses.

I am not denying it. It is the responsibility of each
player to control their minds. If they cannot do it, they will
choke and probably lose. That's what happened to Carlitos, but
he learned from it and won Wimbledon.

The last loss against Djoker was also extremely tight, so
it was a good battle despite the loss.

br,
KK

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kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:>> "Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him>> in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a>> result of tension and nerves during the match, which he>> described as something he had never

experienced before>> in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I>> disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard.">> >> >> If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows>> that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.>> When your
nerves get you, your performance level just>> drops.>> >> br,>> KK> > Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves. There's always some > nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the > fave to win being on clay, but no way
would I say he was choking. He got > cramps and couldn't move. Big deal, it's happened to most players at > some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.Holy fuck, man...Did you even bother to read what Carlitos said? His cramps were*caused
by his nerves*. So he choked big time and was courageousenough to admit it.He never claimed to be injured in any way even though many peoplewould have said so in similar circumstances.br,KK



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kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:

His mind could not take pressure and it causeshis body to fail as well. It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only two sets.

It certainly was physical, have you seen those 2 sets?

Alcaraz was returning balls Nadal would not even chase.




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On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:06:21 AM UTC-4, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not unexpected when you play the GOAT.

Nervous tension, lol. There's a sucker born every minute. It's something he ingested and I'm not referring to spaghetti!

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On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 8:48:33 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:

You are working yourself in to a fine, Raducanu-like frenzy, Whisp.

But at least this time you've got a much better chance of your favorite pulling through.

Now *that's* progress!

Raducanu, haha! That's the first time in a long while I've heard that tennis immortal mentioned.

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On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 6:56:35 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

:)

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On 28/08/2023 2:34 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."


If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves. There's always some
nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the
fave to win being on clay, but no way would I say he was choking. He got
cramps and couldn't move. Big deal, it's happened to most players at
some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.

Holy fuck, man...

Did you even bother to read what Carlitos said? His cramps were
*caused by his nerves*. So he choked big time and was courageous
enough to admit it.

He never claimed to be injured in any way even though many people
would have said so in similar circumstances.

br,
KK

Carlos is offering some explanation as we all want to know what
happened. He has no fucking idea what caused the cramps, it's a pure
guess on his part. You can see that right?

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On 28/08/2023 2:36 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

Carlitos choked on *that occasion*. It does not mean that he
always will.

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just
turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked
losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move.
must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

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On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure.

Because it is the only sensible explanation. Many would have
been to ashamed to admit it, but Carlitos made no excuses
about it. His mind could not take pressure and it causes
his body to fail as well.

It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only
two sets. It certainly was not due to wrong nutrition or not
drinking enough liquids, since Alcaraz's team is full of
professionals who take care of basic issues like that.

So why did he get cramps again in his hand v Novak in Cincinnati? Choked?

The fact is he got cramps, who cares what the reasons were?

I do care.

It's a legit win for Novak as that's all part of the game,
no excuses.

I am not denying it. It is the responsibility of each
player to control their minds. If they cannot do it, they will
choke and probably lose.

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won
2nd set ffs.

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On 28/08/2023 2:40 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 8/27/23 9:34 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

"Carlos Alcaraz said the cramps that afflicted him
in his French Open semi-final loss to Novak Djokovic were a
result of tension and nerves during the match, which he
described as something he had never experienced before
in his life. 'It's been really tough for me, honestly. I
disappointed myself,' said the Spaniard."


If you play tennis and start choking, everybody knows
that it affects your body, moving, hitting, everything.
When your nerves get you, your performance level just
drops.

br,
KK

Yes, but cramps are different to choking/nerves.  There's always some
nerves, especially in this match as Carlos probably saw himself as the
fave to win being on clay, but no way would I say he was choking. He got >>> cramps and couldn't move.  Big deal, it's happened to most players at
some point, just bad luck it happened in such a big match.

Holy fuck, man...

Did you even bother to read what Carlitos said? His cramps were
*caused by his nerves*. So he choked big time and was courageous
enough to admit it.

Why confuse the discussion by bringing in facts?

No facts there, all speculative opinions. If you got cancer could any
doctor tell you exactly what caused it? Nope.

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On 28/08/2023 5:10 am, *skriptis wrote:

kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:

His mind could not take pressure and it causeshis body to fail as well. It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only two sets.

It certainly was physical, have you seen those 2 sets?

Alcaraz was returning balls Nadal would not even chase.

Exactly. It was brutal tennis. 2 sets of that level is 5 sets of any
other 2 players.

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On 28.8.2023 12.12, Whisper wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps?  Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure.

Because it is the only sensible explanation. Many would have
been to ashamed to admit it, but Carlitos made no excuses
about it. His mind could not take pressure and it causes
his body to fail as well.

It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only
two sets. It certainly was not due to wrong nutrition or not
drinking enough liquids, since Alcaraz's team is full of
professionals who take care of basic issues like that.

So why did he get cramps again in his hand v Novak in Cincinnati?  Choked?

Hmm. I did not know about the cramping hand. I once had one too. Looks
like cramping was involved in the loss to Sinner also. Nobody told me
about that either. I better adjust my tipping contest picks.

Alcatraz better adjust his eating habits.

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On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:

On 27/08/2023 10:09 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcaraz *himself* admitted that he was so nervous that
he began cramping. He choked big time and it had physical
consequences.

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure. The fact is he got cramps, who
cares what the reasons were?

Probably because Borg quit.

It's a legit win for Novak as that's all

part of the game, no excuses.

In Wimbledon, he did not choke at all.

br,
KK

Personally I didn't see much choking at FO. In fact I still thought
he'd win the match right up until it was obvious the cramps were set in.

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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

On 28.8.2023 12.12, Whisper wrote:> On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:>>> How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know>>> that, not even the doctors for sure.>>>> Because it

is the only sensible explanation. Many would have>> been to ashamed to admit it, but Carlitos made no excuses>> about it. His mind could not take pressure and it causes>> his body to fail as well.>>>> It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had
played only>> two sets. It certainly was not due to wrong nutrition or not>> drinking enough liquids, since Alcaraz's team is full of>> professionals who take care of basic issues like that.>>> > So why did he get cramps again in his hand v Novak in
Cincinnati? Choked?Hmm. I did not know about the cramping hand. I once had one too. Looks like cramping was involved in the loss to Sinner also. Nobody told me about that either. I better adjust my tipping contest picks.Alcatraz better adjust his eating
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Good article


https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Novak_Djokovic/136628/andy-roddick-defends-carlos-alcaraz-after-hand-cramps-against-novak-djokovic/



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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure.

Because it is the only sensible explanation. Many would have
been to ashamed to admit it, but Carlitos made no excuses
about it. His mind could not take pressure and it causes
his body to fail as well.

It certainly was not due to fatigue, since they had played only
two sets. It certainly was not due to wrong nutrition or not
drinking enough liquids, since Alcaraz's team is full of
professionals who take care of basic issues like that.

So why did he get cramps again in his hand v Novak in Cincinnati? Choked?

The fact is he got cramps, who cares what the reasons were?

I do care.

It's a legit win for Novak as that's all part of the game,
no excuses.

I am not denying it. It is the responsibility of each
player to control their minds. If they cannot do it, they will
choke and probably lose.

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won
2nd set ffs.

You fucking bastard...So you are claiming that Carlitos lied when he
admitted that he was nervous as hell and collapsed.. Fuck off!

br,
KK

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:36 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the >>>>>>> technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind. >>>>>>

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not
unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am. >>

Carlitos choked on *that occasion*. It does not mean that he
always will.

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move.
must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

You fucking bastard...Carlitos himself said he was nervous as hell,
he choked... But obviously you are too stupid to believe him.

br,
KK

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On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:47:01 AM UTC-4, joh wrote:

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:

On 27/08/2023 10:09 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <T...@dprk.kp> wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really. Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the
technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcaraz *himself* admitted that he was so nervous that
he began cramping. He choked big time and it had physical
consequences.

How the fuck would he know nerves caused the cramps? Nobody can know
that, not even the doctors for sure. The fact is he got cramps, who
cares what the reasons were?

Probably because Borg quit.
It's a legit win for Novak as that's all

part of the game, no excuses.

In Wimbledon, he did not choke at all.

br,
KK

Personally I didn't see much choking at FO. In fact I still thought
he'd win the match right up until it was obvious the cramps were set in.

No Mac got bored with tennis!

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On 8/28/23 6:27 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:36 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 15.06:

On 27.8.2023 14.05, TT wrote:

Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 27.8.2023 klo 12.49:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Not really.  Novak won last 3 sets 63 62 62. There was no suspense in >>>>>>>> the last 3 sets, pretty easy routine win. Like I said he has the >>>>>>>> technical potential and talent, but that's not enough without the mind.

What happened between Alcaraz and Djoker in French Open 2023?

Didn't Alcaraz choke when it was one set all, losing the third
and fourth 6-2, 6-2, or something?

No. Alcaraz got injured/cramping. Couldn't move.

Alcatraz said it was the nervous tension that caused the cramps. Not >>>>> unexpected when you play the GOAT.

So I was correct at the time that the kid is a choker. I know. I always am.

Carlitos choked on *that occasion*. It does not mean that he
always will.

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just
turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked
losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move.
must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

You fucking bastard...Carlitos himself said he was nervous as hell,
he choked... But obviously you are too stupid to believe him.

br,
KK

No, you're wrong.

I can see that you are not familiar with Whisper yet. It's not that he's
too stupid--quite the contrary.

He knows *better* than Alcaraz, himself, what the problem was.

Once you understand that, all the rest falls into place.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

I can see that you are not familiar with Whisper yet. It's not that he's
too stupid--quite the contrary.

He knows *better* than Alcaraz, himself, what the problem was.

Once you understand that, all the rest falls into place.

I see. He's probbaly a super intelligent alien from outer space,
disguised as a human being.

br,
KK

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On 8/28/23 10:48 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:

I can see that you are not familiar with Whisper yet. It's not that he's
too stupid--quite the contrary.

He knows *better* than Alcaraz, himself, what the problem was.

Once you understand that, all the rest falls into place.

I see. He's probbaly a super intelligent alien from outer space,
disguised as a human being.

br,
KK

Now you've got it.

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On 28/08/2023 11:27 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:36 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just
turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked
losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move.
must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

You fucking bastard...Carlitos himself said he was nervous as hell,
he choked... But obviously you are too stupid to believe him.

br,
KK

You have no idea what a choke is. Novak says he is always a little bit nervous, therefore by your logic he is a prolific choker.

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On 28/08/2023 11:27 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just
turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked
losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move.
must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

You fucking bastard...Carlitos himself said he was nervous as hell,
he choked... But obviously you are too stupid to believe him.

br,
KK

Being nervous and choking are 2 different things. If Carlos choked at
FO after winning 2nd set what does that tell you about Novak? Why
couldn't he win that 2nd set v a choking opponent? Just accept there
was no choking and the match was ruined by cramps. It's not rocket science.

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On 28/08/2023 11:29 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won
2nd set ffs.

You fucking bastard...So you are claiming that Carlitos lied when he
admitted that he was nervous as hell and collapsed.. Fuck off!

br,
KK

He collapsed physically due to cramps you half sucked cock.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 11:29 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won
2nd set ffs.

You fucking bastard...So you are claiming that Carlitos lied when he
admitted that he was nervous as hell and collapsed.. Fuck off!

br,
KK

He collapsed physically due to cramps you half sucked cock.

Fuck you, you fucking arrogant bastard. It takes an incredible
amount of stupidity to think you know Alcaraz's mind better
than Alcaraz himself. Your delusions are so ridiculous it
hurts. But I am familiar with Usenet fools like you, as I
have 29 years of experience of hanging here.

br,
KK

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On 29/08/2023 11:26 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 11:29 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won >>>> 2nd set ffs.

You fucking bastard...So you are claiming that Carlitos lied when he
admitted that he was nervous as hell and collapsed.. Fuck off!

br,
KK

He collapsed physically due to cramps you half sucked cock.

Fuck you, you fucking arrogant bastard. It takes an incredible
amount of stupidity to think you know Alcaraz's mind better
than Alcaraz himself. Your delusions are so ridiculous it
hurts. But I am familiar with Usenet fools like you, as I
have 29 years of experience of hanging here.

br,
KK

I got cramps today putting up shelves in my new shed. Probably because
I was nervous and choked.

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Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 11:27 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

How the fuck was that a choke? He was playing Novak dead even and just
turned the tide winning that 2nd set. You could maybe argue Novak choked >>> losing 2nd set, that at least would be logical.

'Oh look, he just leveled the match 1 set all and got cramps can't move. >>> must be a choke'. huh?

Rst is bizzario world.

You fucking bastard...Carlitos himself said he was nervous as hell,
he choked... But obviously you are too stupid to believe him.

br,
KK

Being nervous and choking are 2 different things. If Carlos choked at
FO after winning 2nd set what does that tell you about Novak? Why
couldn't he win that 2nd set v a choking opponent? Just accept there
was no choking and the match was ruined by cramps. It's not rocket science.

Yes, like sawfish666 noted: You are such a fucking arrogant
bastard that you even think you know Alcaraz's mind better than
Alcaraz himself. That's quite pathetic and makes you a fool.

Congratulations.

br,
KK

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On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:43:52 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

On 29/08/2023 11:26 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 11:29 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

On 28/08/2023 2:42 am, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

There was nothing wrong mentally with Carlitos at FO. He had just won >>>> 2nd set ffs.

You fucking bastard...So you are claiming that Carlitos lied when he
admitted that he was nervous as hell and collapsed.. Fuck off!

br,
KK

He collapsed physically due to cramps you half sucked cock.

Fuck you, you fucking arrogant bastard. It takes an incredible
amount of stupidity to think you know Alcaraz's mind better
than Alcaraz himself. Your delusions are so ridiculous it
hurts. But I am familiar with Usenet fools like you, as I
have 29 years of experience of hanging here.

br,
KK

I got cramps today putting up shelves in my new shed. Probably because
I was nervous and choked.

It is your brain that is suffering long time cramp.
Poor dog, didn't do anything to be kicked just because you were watching Federer in his prime without good approach shots :)

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