• Finland to deport unknown migrants to Rwanda

    From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 03:09:15 2023
    This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by Soros
    funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously Pelle
    wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/14/helsinki-could-become-sanctuary-city-as-finlands-right-wing-government-targets-paperless-m

    Helsinki could become 'sanctuary city' as Finland's right-wing government targets paperless migrants

    The right-wing government's move against undocumented migrants has sparked resistance from city hall, political opponents and healthcare professionals alike.

    Helsinki could become a 'sanctuary city', as the new right-wing government continues to crack down on undocumented migrants.

    The latest move by Prime Minister Petteri Orpo's coalition government, which includes the far-right anti-immigrant Finns Party, would roll back legislation brought in at the start of the year by ex-PM Sanna Marin, which required local authorities to
    provide free basic healthcare for paperless migrants wherever they are in the country.

    Now, the new government is set to undo that law, leaving cities to decide whether to continue on their own treating migrants who don't have a legal right to be in the country and access the public healthcare system.

    It's part of a new package of measures aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants, including cutting access to social services and benefits, and exploring the possibility of deport them to a third country if they cannot go back to their home
    country.

    The Finnish capital, and a handful of other cities, have vowed to continue treating undocumented people who need medical help, regardless of what the government wants.

    "We feel it is really important to help these people, and we want to advocate for equality," explains Pipsa, a volunteer nurse at the Global Clinic in Helsinki, where paperless migrants can come for basic healthcare treatment, including first aid, no
    questions asked.

    Overall the numbers are not huge, with Global Clinic treating around 300 undocumented migrants every year.

    Those could be asylum seekers whose applications have failed, and final appeals exhausted, but who have not yet left the country; EU nationals, mainly from Romania or Bulgaria, who have been in the country for more than 90 days and have not regularised
    their stay; or any EU national who doesn't have insurance, or has not yet been granted access to the Finnish public healthcare system which can take months or even years in some cases.

    "It is important that every undocumented migrant has the same rights, imagine a pregnant woman who needs a checkup or delivering the baby, and in some cities there has been challenges for pregnant women and children to get treated" says nurse Pipsa.

    "We had such high hopes that finally we had this [Marin era] legislation that things would change, but now we are really disappointed that they will start to remove the legislation," she tells Euronews.

    The range of services available to paperless migrants is rather limited, and at the very cheapest end of the healthcare cost spectrum.

    Headaches, back pain, skin conditions, high blood pressure and diabetes monitoring are among the most common ailments which bring people to the free clinic in Helsinki, where they receive help from translators in Arabic, Bulgarian and Romanian, and other
    languages on-demand.

    "It's quite cheap to have these basic checkups, but if you don't get treatment and medication, and things get much worse, then when a patient has to go to ER or be admitted into hospital the costs later will be much higher," says Pipsa.

    "We are saying not only will it save money to have these free basic healthcare services, it will cost more to not have them, in the long run, and people will suffer," she adds.

    At Helsinki City Hall the move to continue providing free services could put the administration on a collision course with the national government. Both the Mayor of Helsinki, and deputy mayor in charge of healthcare, come from Prime Minister Orpo's
    National Coalition Party - known locally as Kokoomus - and they're now marching out of step with the PM's wishes on this issue.

    "It is also true that inside Kokoomus there are also differing views" Deputy Mayor Daniel Sazonov tells Euronews.

    "This is not the first time – regardless of the parties represented in coalition government – that Helsinki has had its own policy that differs from the national policy," he adds.

    Sazonov says it's his "duty" to serve the population of Helsinki "the best we we can."

    "These possible changes in legislation will of course mean that Helsinki’s social services, healthcare and rescue departments budget will have to pay these services out of 'our own pocket'" - as they have been doing since 2017 - "but as a question of
    finances this is not a significant issue," he explains.

    A decision to provide basic healthcare to paperless immigrants is, says Sazonov, "for me an easy problem" because the costs are reasonable, and Helsinki is able to handle the issue by itself. He also points to political agreement on the Helsinki City
    Council to continue providing these services.

    However as well as criticism from political opponents nationally, the government's move to roll back healthcare rights has drawn the ire of the Finnish Medical Association.

    "The government's intention is in complete contradiction with the fact that it has also announced that it will work determinedly to promote equality and non-discrimination in society," says the association's Lauri Vuorenkoski.

    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    With many Finnish cities either not providing basic free health services for paperless migrants - or about to stop the services soon - there is some concern that people will see Helsinki as a 'sanctuary city' for medical treatment.

    In the US, a sanctuary city is a safe place for undocumented immigrants to go, knowing that local authorities won't cooperate with the national government to enforce immigration law.

    Although the situation in Finland is different - medical professionals have no obligation to contact immigration authorities about someone's legal status in the country - it would be human nature to want to go somewhere with free healthcare.

    "Research shows that access to healthcare is not the main reason why people are changing their location right now, but that's why it's important people can receive healthcare in the place they are staying," explains nurse Pipsa from the Global Clinic.

    "But people will start to think about where they should go. Our helpline already had calls from all over Finland, from Lapland and Central Finland, so there are many undocumented migrants not only in the capital area, and there's no legislation in place
    to support them now."

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Aug 21 04:09:51 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
    This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by Soros
    funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously Pelle
    wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 16:01:51 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
    This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by
    Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously
    Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 06:48:59 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:53 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
    This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by
    Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously
    Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

    Previous Government...survived....

    no significant achievements, no super flaws (but increasing debt.... but covid-19 and Ukraine as an excuse....)

    Though I personally think that Marin (like her or not) was alone alone +1 billion euros+ for Finland?)

    .mikko

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Aug 21 15:22:52 2023
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?

    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.

    br,
    KK

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 19:36:48 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 16.48:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:53 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote:
    This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by
    Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously
    Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

    Previous Government...survived....

    no significant achievements, no super flaws (but increasing debt.... but covid-19 and Ukraine as an excuse....)

    Though I personally think that Marin (like her or not) was alone alone +1 billion euros+ for Finland?)

    .mikko

    Huh huh

    Marin was partying during Uniper deals. Fortum lost something like 6
    billion (6 000 000 000) euros.

    Awesome deal...

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/uutiset/uniper-teki-lahes-kymmenen-miljardin-euron-jattituloksen-suunnitelmissa-miljardien-eurojen-investoinnit-vihreaan-siirtymaan/

    Not to mention all payments to EU, green transition etc.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 19:42:22 2023
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 18.22:
    The Iceberg <iceberg.rules@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?

    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.

    br,
    KK

    Yes the will and they have.
    There are cheaper areas... Eastern Helsinki is one big nigger slum.
    Malmi too...

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 10:38:04 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:36:51 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 16.48:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:53 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by
    Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously
    Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

    Previous Government...survived....

    no significant achievements, no super flaws (but increasing debt.... but covid-19 and Ukraine as an excuse....)

    Though I personally think that Marin (like her or not) was alone alone +1 billion euros+ for Finland?)

    .mikko
    Huh huh

    Marin was partying during Uniper deals. Fortum lost something like 6
    billion (6 000 000 000) euros.

    Awesome deal...

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/uutiset/uniper-teki-lahes-kymmenen-miljardin-euron-jattituloksen-suunnitelmissa-miljardien-eurojen-investoinnit-vihreaan-siirtymaan/

    Not to mention all payments to EU, green transition etc.

    Those would have happened regardless of Marin existence or not.

    I have never voted her party, but I admit she has smt others just do not have.... presence? (there is no camera which would not turn to her, there is no mic muted if she has smt to say....)

    Dunno about message, but objectively noted.

    .mikko

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 21:14:03 2023
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 20.42:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:38:06 PM UTC+3, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:36:51 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 16.48:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:53 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>> This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked by
    Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which obviously
    Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains.... >>>>>>
    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

    Previous Government...survived....

    no significant achievements, no super flaws (but increasing debt.... but covid-19 and Ukraine as an excuse....)

    Though I personally think that Marin (like her or not) was alone alone +1 billion euros+ for Finland?)

    .mikko
    Huh huh

    Marin was partying during Uniper deals. Fortum lost something like 6
    billion (6 000 000 000) euros.

    Awesome deal...

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/uutiset/uniper-teki-lahes-kymmenen-miljardin-euron-jattituloksen-suunnitelmissa-miljardien-eurojen-investoinnit-vihreaan-siirtymaan/

    Not to mention all payments to EU, green transition etc.
    Those would have happened regardless of Marin existence or not.

    I have never voted her party, but I admit she has smt others just do not have.... presence? (there is no camera which would not turn to her, there is no mic muted if she has smt to say....)

    Dunno about message, but objectively noted.

    .mikko

    And this is nothing sexist. Finland already had the sexiest PM in Europe. 15y+ ago. :)

    https://www.reuters.com/article/tech-finland-sexiest-dc-idUKL0190833120061201

    .mikko

    https://www.is.fi/viihde/art-2000001233230.html

    :)

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Mon Aug 21 10:42:42 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:38:06 PM UTC+3, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:36:51 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 16.48:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:53 PM UTC+3, TT wrote:
    MBDunc kirjoitti 21.8.2023 klo 14.09:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 1:09:18 PM UTC+3, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> This new Finland government sounds very good, they sensibly bringing in new package aimed at creating a 'hostile environment' for migrants! this will help the migrants get education first and benefit their own nations rather than being tricked
    by Soros funded people traffickers. Apparently anyone can turn up in Finland and use healthcare free, even though they've paid nothing + they get translators etc to help with all this. So whole of Russia could cross the border and do that, which
    obviously Pelle wouldn't like, so surely he likes this too? Helsinki has said they going to opt out so all the migrants will head there.

    Whatever this new Finland government comes up with ... there are some good elements there and there ...but tons of questionable stuff....

    It will be monthly 50/50 coin toss if this government sustains....

    Personally I would give them some time to do smt. before final judgment (though signs are not so good....)

    mikko

    Hard to be worse than the previous one...

    Previous Government...survived....

    no significant achievements, no super flaws (but increasing debt.... but covid-19 and Ukraine as an excuse....)

    Though I personally think that Marin (like her or not) was alone alone +1 billion euros+ for Finland?)

    .mikko
    Huh huh

    Marin was partying during Uniper deals. Fortum lost something like 6 billion (6 000 000 000) euros.

    Awesome deal...

    https://www.uusisuomi.fi/uutiset/uniper-teki-lahes-kymmenen-miljardin-euron-jattituloksen-suunnitelmissa-miljardien-eurojen-investoinnit-vihreaan-siirtymaan/

    Not to mention all payments to EU, green transition etc.
    Those would have happened regardless of Marin existence or not.

    I have never voted her party, but I admit she has smt others just do not have.... presence? (there is no camera which would not turn to her, there is no mic muted if she has smt to say....)

    Dunno about message, but objectively noted.

    .mikko

    And this is nothing sexist. Finland already had the sexiest PM in Europe. 15y+ ago. :)

    https://www.reuters.com/article/tech-finland-sexiest-dc-idUKL0190833120061201

    .mikko

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Tue Aug 22 03:51:58 2023
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 16:22:55 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.

    cost doesn't matter as they won't be paying for themselves, it'll be your taxes, so don't worry about that!

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 15:58:25 2023
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 13.51:
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 16:22:55 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.

    cost doesn't matter as they won't be paying for themselves, it'll be your taxes, so don't worry about that!

    Government will provide one way or another, same everywhere... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F332nrpW8AAafBJ?format=jpg

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Tue Aug 22 08:00:21 2023
    On 8/22/23 3:51 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 16:22:55 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.
    cost doesn't matter as they won't be paying for themselves, it'll be your taxes, so don't worry about that!

    Wait. Wait.

    Do I have this right?

    Reading the subject line: "Finland to deport unknown migrants to Rwanda"
    I get the impression that any unknown migrant will be sent immediately
    to Rwanda. So that if a Hungarian crosses into Finland and is unable
    identify himself, he'll be flown, one way, to Rwanda.

    Same for Italians, Americans, anybody.

    I think that'll work very well--send a strong message that we want no undocumented migrants. If we applied it here to Mexicans who unlawfully
    cross the border--send them right straight to Rwanda--I think the border problem will soon be solved.

    My hat's off to the Finns! An enlightened people!

    :^)

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 18:05:43 2023
    Sawfish kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 18.00:
    On 8/22/23 3:51 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 16:22:55 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.
    cost doesn't matter as they won't be paying for themselves, it'll be
    your taxes, so don't worry about that!

    Wait. Wait.

    Do I have this right?

    Reading the subject line: "Finland to deport unknown migrants to Rwanda"
    I get the impression that any unknown migrant will be sent immediately
    to Rwanda. So that if a Hungarian crosses into Finland and is unable
    identify himself, he'll be flown, one way, to Rwanda.

    Same for Italians, Americans, anybody.

    I think that'll work very well--send a strong message that we want no undocumented migrants. If we applied it here to Mexicans who unlawfully
    cross the border--send them right straight to Rwanda--I think the border problem will soon be solved.

    My hat's off to the Finns! An enlightened people!

    :^)


    If only.

    I haven't read the OP but I think the news refers to this... https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-61782866

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Wed Aug 23 05:28:36 2023
    On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 16:00:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/22/23 3:51 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 16:22:55 UTC+1, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Will migrants move to Helsinki for healthcare?
    No, they will not. This is because Helsinki is
    the most expensive city to live in the whole
    country.
    cost doesn't matter as they won't be paying for themselves, it'll be your taxes, so don't worry about that!
    Wait. Wait.

    Do I have this right?

    Reading the subject line: "Finland to deport unknown migrants to Rwanda"
    I get the impression that any unknown migrant will be sent immediately
    to Rwanda. So that if a Hungarian crosses into Finland and is unable identify himself, he'll be flown, one way, to Rwanda.

    Same for Italians, Americans, anybody.

    I think that'll work very well--send a strong message that we want no undocumented migrants. If we applied it here to Mexicans who unlawfully cross the border--send them right straight to Rwanda--I think the border problem will soon be solved.

    My hat's off to the Finns! An enlightened people!

    :^)

    that's the plan here in England, but the leftists keep going to court over it. They should just say that we "feel" England is far too racist and transphobic for these illegals and they would be much happier and welcomed in the rich wonderful vibrant
    country of Rwanda.

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