• Re: When did Djokovic last time...

    From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 17:44:20 2023
    On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 8:37:19 PM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to skriptis@post.t-com.hr on Mon Aug 21 02:47:14 2023
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    Also Alcaraz loses to Djokovic after having match point.

    It was on Djokovic's serve in set 2 tiebreak, but it was a match point nevertheless.



    Then Djokovic had one on Alcaraz's serve in set 3, when Alcaraz served to stay in the match.


    Then Djokovic had 3 on his serve when trying to serve it out.

    Then he converts 5th in tiebreak.



    5:7 7:6(7) 7:6(4)






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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 17:49:55 2023
    On 8/20/23 5:47 PM, *skriptis wrote:
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    Also Alcaraz loses to Djokovic after having match point.

    It was on Djokovic's serve in set 2 tiebreak, but it was a match point nevertheless.



    Then Djokovic had one on Alcaraz's serve in set 3, when Alcaraz served to stay in the match.


    Then Djokovic had 3 on his serve when trying to serve it out.

    Then he converts 5th in tiebreak.



    5:7 7:6(7) 7:6(4)






    This is *real* tennis.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 02:37:11 2023
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 17:48:15 2023
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Aug 20 20:58:18 2023
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great match!
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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Aug 21 09:24:39 2023
    On 8/21/2023 3:48 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.


    He didn't beat him in a major match. He beat him in extended allowed
    serve clock match, which is contrary to the ATP Tour rules.

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to RzR on Mon Aug 21 00:08:41 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:24:54 AM UTC+3, RzR wrote:
    On 8/21/2023 3:48 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    He didn't beat him in a major match. He beat him in extended allowed
    serve clock match, which is contrary to the ATP Tour rules.

    This serve clock issue is problematic. I think Andy Murray has been the most vocal to oppose it - not because his play - but how it actually makes matches longer.

    Former pro, Jarkko Nieminen, also has many times said that it was the most stupidest way imaginable to fix a niche problem.

    Early article about it....

    https://www.economist.com/game-theory/2018/08/19/the-new-serve-clock-in-tennis-appears-to-be-backfiring

    .mikko

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to RzR on Mon Aug 21 18:12:38 2023
    On 21/08/2023 4:24 pm, RzR wrote:
    On 8/21/2023 3:48 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.


    He didn't beat him in a major match. He beat him in extended allowed
    serve clock match, which is contrary to the ATP Tour rules.


    No clock on 2nd serves, and he was often interrupted on 1st serve by
    crowd yelling. Also umpire should allow some leeway in such a physical
    match.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Aug 21 18:04:11 2023
    On 21/08/2023 10:48 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.



    You can't count Novak out until he actually loses. It doesn't matter
    how tired/sick he looks or how far behind he is, makes no difference.
    I've learnt that over the years.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 21 18:05:16 2023
    On 21/08/2023 11:58 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great match!


    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

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  • From RzR@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Aug 21 11:40:38 2023
    On 8/21/2023 11:12 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 21/08/2023 4:24 pm, RzR wrote:
    On 8/21/2023 3:48 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.


    He didn't beat him in a major match. He beat him in extended allowed
    serve clock match, which is contrary to the ATP Tour rules.


    No clock on 2nd serves, and he was often interrupted on 1st serve by
    crowd yelling.  Also umpire should allow some leeway in such a physical match.

    Nah...just remove the rule altogether...this is a joke...set it to 30
    sec that you have to start a point...if you miss a first serve at 25
    sec, you have 5 sec left, or time violation...this is ridiculous that he
    can psych out players on big points like this

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Aug 21 02:29:00 2023
    On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 01:48:19 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    hooray at last you accept that Djoker won't lose every single future match!

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Mon Aug 21 15:02:36 2023
    On 21.8.2023 10.08, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:24:54 AM UTC+3, RzR wrote:
    On 8/21/2023 3:48 AM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    He didn't beat him in a major match. He beat him in extended allowed
    serve clock match, which is contrary to the ATP Tour rules.

    This serve clock issue is problematic. I think Andy Murray has been the most vocal to oppose it - not because his play - but how it actually makes matches longer.

    Former pro, Jarkko Nieminen, also has many times said that it was the most stupidest way imaginable to fix a niche problem.

    Early article about it....

    https://www.economist.com/game-theory/2018/08/19/the-new-serve-clock-in-tennis-appears-to-be-backfiring

    "Mr Nadal"? I like that.

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  • From Court_1@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Aug 21 19:06:36 2023
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:05:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 21/08/2023 11:58 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great match!
    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was. Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted that
    at the time. Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 19:16:03 2023
    On 22/08/2023 12:06 pm, Court_1 wrote:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:05:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 21/08/2023 11:58 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great match!
    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was. Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they played, Djokovic would win. I >think I posted
    that at the time. Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)


    My wife watched the match and turned it off when Novak broke for 4-4 in
    2nd - she's not a fan : )

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 13:23:42 2023
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:05:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 21/08/2023 11:58 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat
    Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great match!
    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was. Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted that
    at the time. Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was Djokovic's
    first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more percentage
    play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...

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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 07:07:37 2023
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:23:45 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was. Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted
    that at the time. Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was Djokovic's first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more percentage play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...

    You've come a long way from "The kid is a choker." :)

    Unfortunately I missed the damn match. I've been traveling and had no access. Thought no big deal, it's just Cincinnati. Then it turns into a mini-classic. Argh. I hope they really do collide at the USO for another epic final. I'd hate to see an upset
    from a one-match wonder like a Hurkarz or Tommy Paul.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 17:50:06 2023
    Gracchus kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 17.07:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:23:45 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was. Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted
    that at the time. Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was Djokovic's
    first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more percentage
    play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...

    You've come a long way from "The kid is a choker." :)


    He's also come a long way in short time from being a choker.

    Well, he's got the eye, he's got the stroke, he's got the flake - he's
    got that down cold. But can he flake on and flake off? I don't know.
    See, I don't know whether that can be taught.

    Unfortunately I missed the damn match. I've been traveling and had no access. Thought no big deal, it's just Cincinnati. Then it turns into a mini-classic. Argh. I hope they really do collide at the USO for another epic final. I'd hate to see an upset
    from a one-match wonder like a Hurkarz or Tommy Paul.

    Yeah, I think Alkie's Cincy was all 3-setters... so he's still
    vulnerable to riff raff.
    But when he meets Djoke, it's all pleasure. I love seeing the fear in Djokovic's eyes.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 01:20:09 2023
    On 22/08/2023 8:23 pm, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great
    match!
    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was.
    Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a
    feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they
    played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted that at the time. Let's
    see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was Djokovic's
    first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more percentage
    play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...


    I think if he wins tune-ups easily he gets cocky and loses in slams. I
    agree this loss is probably a good thing and will mean he's far more
    focussed at USO, less of the flaky stuff on big points.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 08:34:31 2023
    On 8/22/23 3:23 AM, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:
    On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:05:25 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:
    On 21/08/2023 11:58 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/20/2023 7:48 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 8/20/23 5:37 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Fell on the ground after winning ATP1000 title?

    Ripped his shirt?


    Yup, it's all here.


    I have to eat my words after Wimbledon. I did not expect him to beat >>>>> Alcaraz again in a major match.

    Now the USO will be fun.

    I was wrong.

    GOAT. I was, still am, amazed that Djokovic won this match. Great
    match!
    'Amazing' is normal for Novak.

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was.
    Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a
    feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time they
    played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted that at the time. Let's
    see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was
    Djokovic's first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more
    percentage play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...

    I get the impression that he gets bored unless he tries low percentage
    shots some of the time.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 08:38:41 2023
    On 8/22/23 7:50 AM, TT wrote:
    Gracchus kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 17.07:
    On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:23:45 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
    Court_1 kirjoitti 22.8.2023 klo 5.06:

    It was an incredible performance from Pipe Cleaner. It really was.
    Coming back from the dead like that to score the win. I just had a
    feeling when he lost at Wimbledon vs Alcaraz that the next time
    they played, Djokovic would win. I think I posted that at the time.
    Let's see if he can do it when it really matters for him(at the
    next slam.)

    I'll take this loss for Alkie any day over at USO.
    This may even help him, little less pressure at defending USO. On the
    other hand perhaps also slightly less confidence as this was Djokovic's
    first real win over him.

    If Alkie improves even a bit and learns to play somewhat more
    percentage
    play - he's gonna join Big Three with 20 slams I think.

    Then again, what's so fun about his game is that he *doesn't* always
    play percentages. A real box of chocolates...

    You've come a long way from "The kid is a choker." :)


    He's also come a long way in short time from being a choker.

    Well, he's got the eye, he's got the stroke, he's got the flake - he's
    got that down cold. But can he flake on and flake off? I don't know.
    See, I don't know whether that can be taught.


    Watching him since he was 17, it looks to me like he has tracked upward, without any hiccups, since the beginning. Pretty much you can see him
    improve, if not from match to match, then certainly over the course of a season.


    Unfortunately I missed the damn match. I've been traveling and had no
    access. Thought no big deal, it's just Cincinnati. Then it turns into
    a mini-classic. Argh. I hope they really do collide at the USO for
    another epic final. I'd hate to see an upset from a one-match wonder
    like a Hurkarz or Tommy Paul.

    Yeah, I think Alkie's Cincy was all 3-setters... so he's still
    vulnerable to riff raff.
    Possibly lack of concentration due to insufficient challenge. He is not
    a work-a-day player; he seems to require a bit of inspiration.
    But when he meets Djoke, it's all pleasure. I love seeing the fear in Djokovic's eyes.


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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Wed Aug 23 01:36:44 2023
    On 23/08/2023 12:07 am, Gracchus wrote:

    Unfortunately I missed the damn match. I've been traveling and had no access. Thought no big deal, it's just Cincinnati. Then it turns into a mini-classic. Argh. I hope they really do collide at the USO for another epic final. I'd hate >to see an upset
    from a one-match wonder like a Hurkarz or Tommy Paul.


    More likely Sinner or Rune.

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